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- mecanofan, on 03/27/2009, -7/+129As to be expected.
- BlackKatanas, on 03/27/2009, -12/+127I hope the public sees through the ludicrous argument that a government plan would unfairly impact the current system--the current system is anything but fair.
- MercyPolitics, on 03/27/2009, -11/+109America has one of the most expensive health care in the world, and not a very good one for that matter(unless you can afford it). Of course, last but not least more than 42 Million people are without any coverage. Not only the current system is not fair, but it doesn't work.
- THETEH, on 03/27/2009, -10/+79American fears of socialized medicine are incredibly ridiculous. We're the only civilized nation without it.
The strange thing about THIS particular story is that Obama isn't socializing healthcare in ANY WAY, he's just increasing regulation of it.
A lot of neocons like to pretend he's socializing healthcare though, just so they can call him a socialist without citing any REAL facts. - mecanofan, on 03/27/2009, -8/+74I agree MercyPolitics and BlackKatanas -- it's time that America does the right thing and provide its citizens with health care. The insurance giants will oppose, but we must push for a health care plan that works. Greedy CEO's should step aside unless they want to be hated like Wall Street is now.
- spectecjr, on 03/27/2009, -4/+52Why should MY insurance payments be so high because YOU totalled YOUR car?
Answer: If we all pay into the system, because we're not all ill from the same thing at the same time, the net cost to us at any time is lower.
So the reason why YOUR tax dollars should go towards MY health benefits is because MY tax dollars (and I'm willing to bet I pay more in taxes than you do) will go towards YOUR health benefits. That includes during your old age.
The ONLY difference here is that your cost should end up being lower than you pay now, because we're cutting out a hell of a lot of profit-seeking middle men. - lordmike, on 03/27/2009, -3/+48for those of you who fear "government healthcare", ask your grandparents or parents about how their medicare is doing. I think you'll find that their medicare coverage is significantly better than yours and comes at a significantly lower cost with more choices. It seems that the government bureaucrats that supposedly "ration" care, ration a lot less than private bureaucrats, who could care less about their customers. And with medicare, if you are ever denied care, you can appeal and sue and win. Not so with private plans. They are protected by ERISA law. They can kill you and you have no recourse. It's time to get over ourselves and get the health care we deserve, but keep being denied by health insurers.
- inactive, on 03/27/2009, -9/+52the only kind of health care system that will work is one that is completely free of the profit motive...STOP THE INSURANCE SPECIAL INTERESTS NOW
- djcgmcse, on 03/27/2009, -5/+47pick your poison.
You currently pay a high ammount for health insurance coverage for yourself (and family if you have), so that a large corporation can make tons of money, to the benefit of shareholders and CEO's who give themselves millions of your dollars
or
Pay a lower ammount, that covers everyone, to a non-profit health insurance coverage that is streamlined, and nobody is making tons of money off of it. But yes, some of your dollars would help others who may not "work" as hard as you or may work harder than you and just don't have access to any healthcare with the type of job they do. - inactive, on 03/27/2009, -7/+44Nobody said this is going to be easy. We have to fight them every step of the way folks.
- superfusion, on 03/27/2009, -9/+44And in related news, crack dealers opposed to the prohibition of crack.
- wreckosaurus, on 03/28/2009, -3/+35I don't ***** get it. Paying for an ambulance makes as much sense to me as paying the firemen to save your house. I have good insurance, but I still support universal healthcare. I'm already paying money for it, I'd rather they just take my premiums as tax dollars and give coverage to those who need it.
- Insightful, on 03/28/2009, -3/+32Why have roads? Postal service? Clean water? Fire department? Educational system?
- lordmike, on 03/27/2009, -9/+37If "free market" health care is so good, why are they worried about "inferior" government care... After all, the government can't do anything right, right? So, the "free marketers" should be able to clean up? What, you say? They don't want to compete? Naw, really? the "Free market" now is so competitive!
- stoanhart, on 03/27/2009, -5/+31Why has no community started a health co-op? After all, insurance is just people pooling their money over time so there is enough to cover some cost when it is incurred. Just like there are credit unions, what's stopping people form forming a non-profit insurance company that actually provides health care and charges only that which it needs to pay the medical bills?
- inactive, on 03/27/2009, -4/+30Greedy corporate *****. They just want to line their pockets with gold while the rest of us suffer.
- theSAMOL, on 03/27/2009, -4/+29It's good to see I'm not the only one who thinks that people profiting off of other people being sick or injured is not right.
It's too bad that neocons care more about money than people. - inactive, on 03/27/2009, -4/+26I wonder if Republicans have new Harry and Louise ads to show us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt31nhleeCg
What a disgusting propaganda that was. - missingdigits, on 03/27/2009, -3/+25Agreed, people that dig you down have been Foxified into thinking universal healthcare is Socialism...which none of them even knows what that means. By using "Socialism" they think "Communism" and leap to "Stalinism" in an odd attempt to scare the masses. Americans are idiots. I should know, I live there and see it every day.
- wreckosaurus, on 03/28/2009, -4/+26It must suck being the only person in the country that pays taxes...
Why do republicans claim to be so patriotic, but when it comes to putting your money where your mouth is, they're the first to scream about actually having to contribute. - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -4/+26The guys who let people die because they couldn't profit from their disgrace are scared that they will become obsolete.
It's nice to see. Now they are the ones who are dying and no one will help them.
***** health insurance corporate monopolies! Die already, *****. Payback's a bitch - Tsuroerusu, on 03/28/2009, -9/+30Just ***** nationalize this *****! Appeasing big business is a waste of time and a waste of money. And before anybody say it, I'll say it myself, yes, this is coming from a socialist, woooo aren't I scary! ;)
- stevenhatfield, on 03/28/2009, -4/+25I cringe every time I see one of these stories, because there is always some sanctimonious bastard who thinks that he's never going to get sick and will always have health insurance. Guess what? Someday you might get sick... I mean.. really sick, and your health insurance company that you are so proud to have will kick your ass to the curb the first chance that they get.
Then you'll be _begging_ ME for MY tax dollars. - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -5/+26Why should MY foot go for your ass?
- wreckosaurus, on 03/28/2009, -0/+19They're obligated by law to treat you. What usually happens is people without insurance just end up not paying their bills and the hospital charges more to everyone else. So everyone who doesn't want to "pay for other people's healthcare," it's too late, you already do.
- inactive, on 03/27/2009, -7/+25even if a patient can afford health care it is still very poor quality care...this will only change if the profit motive is taken out of the system and money is used for better surveillance
- inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+17I always thought that emergency hospital visits were covered at least partially by the state. I never knew that you needed private insurance even for emergency hospital visits in America. What happens if you're in an accident but you have no insurance? Does the hospital still cure you? Does the hospital issue you some sort of 10 year payment plan? Does the state intervene?
I guess I should travel once in a while, because I know nothing of America apparently. - djcgmcse, on 03/28/2009, -4/+21Ask any doctor whether they like dealing with insurance companies or Medicare? Medicare (surprisingly) is probably the most effeciently run health care system in the world. The estimated overhead is about 2%. Consider that most health insurnace companies run at around 20%, its a pretty amazing "socialized" system.
- gonadz, on 03/27/2009, -8/+25great piece!
- inactive, on 03/28/2009, -3/+19Piggies at the trough do not want to be disturbed.
- GrammerPants, on 03/27/2009, -0/+15"He's been destroying our country since he got into office" Back this up with facts, I'm a Canadian, and am always interested in the facts behind this belief.
- djcgmcse, on 03/28/2009, -4/+191) If by Charity, you mean giving money to those huge mega churches, then I guess your facts probably work.
2) Religion doesn't speficy liberal or conservative
3) Consdering the life of blood is so short, it would just all go to waste. Blood is given when it's needed.
4) Again, i assume you mean giving to huge mega churches is included.
5) same thing again... - lordmike, on 03/27/2009, -3/+17Sure, it was cheap... You could buy "smoking' joe's" health tonic at any soda fountain, and barbers would give you a free bloodletting with a haircut!
- fabriciom, on 03/27/2009, -3/+17Very cheap. Stop smoking that crack.
- lordmike, on 03/28/2009, -2/+16You got any proof, idiot, or are you just repeating rush Limbaugh talking points? What's your real world experience? My parents are on Medicare, and their coverage is significantly better now, then when they had group health insurance at work. My parents pay 1/3 of what they paid in premiums, with no deductibles, and with an inexpensive medigap policy pay next ot nothing for care. My dad has had major surgeries, many cat scans and MRI's, and the costs were about 10% of what they would have been on a private group policy. and they were never denied coverage for anything, nor did they have any problems getting covered.
So, what's your specific experience, or are you talking out your ass. Please provide specific details! - lordmike, on 03/28/2009, -5/+19Excellent article! It's amazing that "free market" types are afraid of competition and, instead support oligarchical control of the market. The free market years to be free! It's time for some real competition to lower costs and improve benefits!
- Blitzenn, on 03/27/2009, -3/+17Wow! I have to admit I never thought outsiders viewed it like this.
Trust me when I say the we Americans DO NOT fear a social medical system. We as citizens seem to be powerless to fight against the huge spending the Insurance lobbies spend when we try to change things. If they spent half of that money on health care instead of fighting the public, we would be much better off.
Its nothing short of the fat cats fighting tooth and nail against change in the system that would take away their enourmous profits. So far, they have won. I sincerely hope it changes soon. Its literally killing us. - lordmike, on 03/28/2009, -4/+17Blah.... Everyone nitpicks stupid examples, and always form the UK, where the conservatives destroyed the NHS during their reign tin eh 80's and 90's. Why don't you pick a good public health care service?
You know how long it takes me to see my specialist? 6 months! 6 MONTHS!! that's private health care for ya! - Ajajadude, on 03/28/2009, -2/+15Your right, akchrs, it is ridiculous. Seeing as we all need access to healthcare, it's even worse than car insurance.
- GameEngineer, on 03/28/2009, -8/+21"the current system is anything but fair."
That is EXACTLY why it is so appealing to right wingers.
It is VITALLY important for a right wingers to not only be able to afford quality health care for themselves but for other people to have substandard care.
Rich people and poor people having the same quality of care is an ABHORRENT concept to them. - ChuckDees, on 03/28/2009, -5/+18I want single payer, medicare to all US citizens.
Short of that, let the for profit HMO/PPO's compete against a government run health plan.
If they can compete on price, then they will get customers.
If not they will go out of business. - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+12Wow. I always consider health-care similar to other essential services such as fire, law-enforcement etc but I do believe that you should be able to pay for better care should you want it, like the two-tier system Britain has. So you will be treated regardless of your income but if you want superior quality treatment with no wait-times, you're free to pay extra for it. That in my view is the most democratic and socially responsible system of healthcare. In the end it's upto Americans to decide whether they want universal medical care or not. Best of luck America.
- NicoNicoNico, on 03/28/2009, -2/+14It's like that in the US, too. Back when I was under an HMO, it could take as long as two months to see a doctor. One time I had to get a visit to a shrink, and the wait time was six months.
It's no better under regular insurance, either. It can take three or four weeks to get a visit with my GP, and three months for a specialist. Hell, it took them six months to approve a surgery that would not only limit my specialist visits, it would also make it so I could exercise again (which I can't do right now, and is affecting my health).
At least with the NHS, they prefer to keep down the cost. With US health care, they make you wait as long as possible so they can get more money out of you. - s0krat3z, on 03/28/2009, -3/+15I'm sure Dr. Paul appreciates such stupidity wearing his name.
- RonPauls, on 03/27/2009, -6/+18wait, crack dealers like the prohibition of crack because they make a ton of money because supply is held artificially low. Or was this your point?
- s0krat3z, on 03/28/2009, -5/+16There are lots of high quality hospitals that are non-profit. Believe it or not there are people that live life for reasons other than money. You should try it sometime, make some friends, get a hobby, contribute to society. You'll find that in the end, when you can't take any of it with you, life will have been much more meaningful.
A little trivia for you: 60% of hospitals in the US are non-profit. - stevenhatfield, on 03/28/2009, -1/+12You're right. These insurance companies feel much too entitled to taking our money for little or no return. The West's downfall indeed.
- CaptOblivious, on 03/28/2009, -4/+15RonPauls,
Try learning some history before you post stupid comments like that. - chadpryor, on 03/28/2009, -1/+12Actually you are completely wrong. The government managed VA health care system is one of the best and most efficiently run systems in the country. You can look up the statistics if you don't believe me. Or just go down to one and ask the patients there if they would rather switch to a private hospital. I don't think you will find many who will.
- lordmike, on 03/28/2009, -3/+14Stop with the FUD... seriously... You'd rather pay $20,000 a year to insure your family, while insurance bureaucrats deny you care at every opportunity?
Medicare is not like the DMV... and people like it. Why people always use the DMV as an example is beyond me.... So, you have to wait in line once a year... how awful! -
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