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- soupwithafork, on 12/27/2008, -31/+201Keep in mind that this is an article from the Times of India.
There are probably numerous examples of nationalism/bias in Social Studies "textbooks" around the world (in varying degrees, of course) because whoever writes a history tints it their way.
Still sad to hear this, however. - Richandler, on 12/27/2008, -11/+130Well our textbooks say that Germany sunk a passenger boat and Japan attacked us for no reason.
- msaleem, on 12/27/2008, -39/+145This article is actually quite misinformed (propaganda). I was born, raised, and educated in Pakistan and what happens in the political sphere and what happens in the education system (and at home in the personal sphere) are two very different things. The average person doesn't hate India, or America, or anyone else for that matter. It's the politicos and the fringe nuts that are spreading the hate.
- radsdigger, on 12/27/2008, -9/+57In my experience, the average Indian and average Pakistani person actually share a lot of common (which, given their history, makes a lot of sense). But, as noted above, the leaders over there are too caught up in their power struggle to realize that...
- PencilPanda, on 12/27/2008, -6/+40You seem educated enough not to be misled.
But what about rural Pakistan? - chillypacman, on 12/27/2008, -11/+39Because Osama Bin Laden in their eyes attacked the US, which has for the longest time being holding the Pakistanis by the balls.
Hey, you don't just push people to the point of desperation and then expect them to think things through, they're not going to think 'gee we can't support Bin laden, he's killed so many americans', they're going to think 'finally someone stepped up to the US'.
Try to dress it up as however you want but it's not like the Pakistanis hate the US for its freedom. - DiggItalia, on 12/27/2008, -5/+29Winners writes history.
That's why history is somehow distorted everywhere. - smilingcandle, on 12/27/2008, -10/+34Not the average person like me or you - but those who have turned into terrorists, they could well have been influenced in their childhood by such hateful instillation.
- edebolt, on 12/27/2008, -7/+31I have a friend who worked in Karachi for 6 months and he hated it. When he would go riding his bicycle in the country kids would throw rocks at him. He really had nothing much good to say about the country and I respect his opinion on such things.
- scottysmith, on 12/27/2008, -3/+26These government leaders need to go back to school and learn the basics...teaching Hate, breeds more hate..and that is the last thing that this world needs...how about teaching about Love?
- Data33, on 12/27/2008, -3/+25I'm not sure, but I don't think that Pakistan has 2.5 billion people.
- weemundo, on 12/27/2008, -4/+25So you read the article, right ? Now what do we do ? Isn't this article another step to making the relationship bad day by day, we should remember we are in the worst situation today, another bad step and we would be facing a war. I am an Indian and i am proud of the Government's decision to tackle the unstable Pakistan Government with Non Violence.
- notwizt, on 12/27/2008, -26/+47Pakistan seems like a ***** retarded country. Im sorry but I had a dorm mate who was like 30 years old and from Pakistan, he had the most retarded views on everything you can imagine. Poor people, womens rights, etc. God, pisses me off just thinking of him.
- doublefelix, on 12/27/2008, -8/+28There is no love lost between either of these nuclear powers.
- Ph1r3s74r73r, on 12/27/2008, -8/+28Even in India, some of the government books are a bit distorted. But on the majority, they all tend to be neutral when talking about our neighbors. Sadly in countries like Pakistan and China, it's the opposite. Mostly propaganda.
It feels like being stuck between 2 retards. - chillypacman, on 12/27/2008, -0/+19I disagree, the empire was trying to unify people from different galaxies!
- da_bradler, on 12/27/2008, -2/+21I think the worlds largest oil producer putting an oil embargo on a country in the midst of waging war trying to expand its empire is a very large provocation.
The United States and Japan were friends up until Japan decided to expand into regions the US didn't approve of. The United States choose to end that relationship and put a devastating oil embargo on them(then a world power).
It's not like Japan attacked the united states because they wanted to. With the oil embargo their army was frozen and the only way to get the embargo lifted would be to pull out of certain military conflicts.
Imagine Saudi Arabia put an oil embargo on the United States 2 years ago during the height of the Iraq war and said that the US needed to pull out or the embargo would stand. Oils prices in the united states would have been insane, it'd be like 20 dollars a gallon or more. Now what do you think a guy like Bush would do?(And I"m sure Bush is less aggressive then emperor of Japan) Bush wouldn't just pull completely out of Iraq, if anything he would attack Saudi Arabia and the American people would support him since they would be feeling the effects.
It's pretty clear that the oil embargo on Japan was a deceleration of war so Japan viewed the attack on Pearl Harper itself as a retaliation and not a act of aggression. - inactive, on 12/27/2008, -3/+21oh blow me. both sides hate each other. and i mean hate. the thing is, hindus don't go around blowing ***** up at pakistan. pakis have and will.
- k3rfuffl3, on 12/27/2008, -1/+17As someone who's actually gone to an Indian school and received history lessons they were as impartial as American history textbooks - though they equally gloss over the grandeur of the atrocities. They cite a couple of references of wrong doing, but generally don't go into the long term treatment.
I have little to no knowledge of how Hindus got along with Muslims before the British showed up (they're the ones who split India into current India and Pakistan) though I imagine it was relatively well since India was part of the Muslim empire yet still mostly Hindu. According to the textbooks themselves the Muslim leadership (such as Akbar) was relatively tolerant of Hinduism. Islam/Christianity is tolerated (obviously not celebrated) greatly in India except by the Indian equivalent of White trash/rednecks/hillbillies/ignorant - those types of people are everywhere and are generally dumb ***** you can't do much about after they've matured into adults.
Pretty much every country that's gotten their independence from the British in the last 100 years is kind of ***** up though so I imagine with 200+ years of independence and all problems will solve themselves like with the US of A. - TheAutoInsider, on 05/22/2009, -12/+28Too bad.
- fcgravelyn, on 12/27/2008, -1/+16Governments have forever used the education (indoctrination) of the young to solidify their stability and power at the expense of truth. Some are worse than others, and often we just don't realize what is being taught in the schools of many countries, including our own. While American schools have made great advances, you only have to go back 50 to 100 years into our past to find questionable versions of "history" recounted in the accepted textbooks.
- knowmonger, on 12/27/2008, -3/+18Guys, the author is a Muslim (Arif Mohammed Khan). So now you know. Muslims are also happy here. Pak is playing religion-tactics for political benefit.
- Stryder81, on 12/27/2008, -8/+22Let the propaganda.....begin!
- knowmonger, on 12/27/2008, -6/+20Even after evident involvement of Pak in Mumbai attacks (I bet ISI has a hand on this), and wide criticism, Pak is deploying more troops in its border for a war. WTF?! You guys are lucky we believe in peace. Actually, I blame the armed forces. Mr. Zardari seems polite and is a respected person. But alas, the Armed forces control Pakistan. Gen. Kayani and ISI practically rule the nation.
P.S: Peace out Pakis. I'm not blaming any of you guys. Its bad politics at its best. - MooNinja, on 12/27/2008, -6/+20BTW Unprovoked doesn't mean no reason.
But maybe my Texan text books are more unbiased ? Is that even possible ? - inactive, on 12/27/2008, -1/+15dude, there are no hindus or christians in pakistan because they will be killed. that's just the plain truth. muslims however, are able to lead safer lives in India.
- kreatr, on 12/27/2008, -13/+27No wonder they grow up to become terrorists ...
- liberta, on 12/27/2008, -4/+17this is something that I dont understand. living in the UK I have known pakistanies who hate people and treat them as lower beings because they are indians and vice versa. Its pretty sad thing to see. As a minority myself I cant understand why they would have so much hate for somebody they dont know.
Sad world we live in - poidh, on 12/27/2008, -5/+18Dude, you missed the 60s by about four decades.
- PencilPanda, on 12/27/2008, -1/+13Hindus were not exactly "ruling" during the British Raj you know. It was liberty for India & Pak not for one particular community.
- Stryder81, on 12/27/2008, -2/+12lol I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not but to know " why " there are no terrorist attacks in Switzerland you have to know " Why " they take place in the first place.
The Swiss are alone as far as associated with " World " organizations. They have their own currency and so forth. They don't have bases or sole alliance with any one nation, especially with the U.S. They don't oppress people.
They make their watches & chocolate and have a nice day...
And the word " Infidel " came from the Bible by the way, not the Qur'an
>:) - Royish, on 12/27/2008, -8/+18Yeah well you don't have to be guess if anti India bs is in Pakistani textbooks anymore
I have never heard of a textbook from the secular republic of India teaching people to hate other countries. Your assumptions are crap until they find such a thing.
I am also not surprised that something like this is going on in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. - Cappez, on 12/27/2008, -4/+14Since you are on digg you are probably not the average Pakistani (ie better educated, more privileged upbringing). I have seen strong anti Pakistan sentiments expressed in rural India from "average people" and no doubt you can find anti India sentiments among "average people" in Pakistan. And unfortunately this is not just instigated by politicians but also conveyed from parents to children.
- winfer1, on 12/27/2008, -1/+11Recent developments, after Mumbai attacks shows what the reality is. There is mistrust between the peoples of both sides. They are divided by the religion.
The population of Hindus and Christians in Pakistan is reducing, but in India the population of Muslims is increasing geometrically. That tells you a lot. - ortucis, on 12/27/2008, -0/+9Considering Pakistan has lost every possible war it has started with India, I would say losers write history as well.
- DiggItalia, on 12/27/2008, -0/+9yea.. man!
http://wallpapers.infinitecoolness.com/widescreen/ ... - sanman, on 12/27/2008, -16/+25Sounds like you're playing a game of moral equivalency. Why have so many new babies been named Osama over there in the past decade? Is this sudden spike a random coincidence?
- dracken, on 12/27/2008, -1/+10Maybe if India frees Kashmir, Jews in Mumbai wont get attacked anymore (remember the Nariman house massacre where a Jewish Rabbi and his wife minding their own business, were killed in cold blood ?). After all, the Jews are the ones who are oppressing the muslims in Kashmir (/sarcasm)
Islamist terrorism has nothing to do with Kashmir. Please dont equate the cold blooded murder of innocents as "logical consequence" of vague political and economic complaints. It is this lack of outrage about unjustified murder and terrorism, and attempts to draw moral equivalence is that is threatening Islam.
There was simultaneous mobilization and massive protests after Mohammed's cartoons were published in a Danish newspaper. IMHO, Kashmir and cartoons are less of a threat to Islam than a lack of outrage from Muslims for cold blooded murder. - inactive, on 12/27/2008, -0/+9err. My Indian History text book said the same thing....
- notwizt, on 12/27/2008, -3/+12Let me just clarify: No, I don't think every single Pakistani is a complete idiot with scary ideologies. I do believe, however, that many are. It's no secret that there are some things you can say about a country without being racist, one of them being what kind of general cultural undercurrents you can find. I'm a swede, so I'm a social libertarian (almost everyone I know are, or they're atleast for public healthcare and all the other stuff that the US seems to want to privatize, it's a swedish thing and no, it's not a generalization)
Pakistan strikes me as a nuclear crazed country with an unhealthy intellectual elitism that turns people into complete ***** douchebags. Let me elaborate on my former Pakistani friend which I happen to think is rather representative for all the Pakistanis I've met (male, highly educated)
* He thought that reading anything but math was a waste of time and mocked me for studying to become a language teacher.
* He thought math studies should be completely paid for by the state. I think he pretty much wanted "people who know math" to get full service from the state
* He tried to recruit a physics student in my dorm to the pakistani nuclear program. No, I'm not ***** kidding.
* He expected his wife (who lived with him with their 1 year old kid in their 1 room flat) to cook and clean while he studied all day. She wasn't allowed in the room when he studied so she hung out in the common kitchen.
* He told my girlfriend how good of a girlfriend she was when she was cleaning the dishes
I could go on all night. The guy was a ***** Pakistani sand-nazi. I'm sorry, but that's my view of Pakistan because all his friends were exactly the ***** same.
To anyone that's from Pakistan and is fighting for human rights and everything that's good, I'm sorry and keep it up. - Eric8p, on 12/27/2008, -0/+8@osmans 1 billion = 1000 million
- arkaycee, on 12/27/2008, -1/+9When I was in college, a housemate found one of those Scholastic Books on the USSR, made for grade schoolers, published in the 1970s. We found that if you replaced the word "Russians" with "Your basic Commie," it actually read much more smoothly and more obviously with the intent it was made to convey. We had a fun reading for our housemates.
- KarthVader, on 12/27/2008, -0/+8MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), the only reason neither country is taking more drastic steps in terms of warfare. As an American living in India, I think that there is mutual appreciation between the two countries; the people are essentially the same. The only thing separating them is religion and political boundaries. Both have made their fair share of mistakes. My belief is that they will be duking it out, Batman and Joker style, till the end of time. There might even be more attacks now considering that India has become an economic power house. Pakistan and Pakistanis being jealous of their neighbors wealth is a perfectly good reason for breeding hatred, if such hatred is actually being instilled.
Another issue that needs to be resolved is Kashmir. India and Pakistan are like a failed marriage and Kashmir represents all the unresolved issues between the two countries. As an Indian American I really can't say anything because I am rather detached from the topic but I would say either let it be a free territory or give it to India. I say India has more claim to it than Pakistan does based on political boundaries, since that is what people value the most. The citizens of Kashmir themselves may or may not be mostly comprised of Muslims, but economically it would make more sense to be associated with India.
A personal anecdote: My dad told me about a time when he got to go to Kashmir during vacation. He said that upon arrival, the air, the land and the mountains left him speechless. He described it as his personal Shangrila. It's a shame that a generation later, I can't experience the same safety and comfort in Kashmir that he got to experience. But I guess that can be said for a lot of places. - knowmonger, on 12/27/2008, -2/+9Dude, I've gone through Indian textbooks and thats not true at all. God, I haven't even seen a single detail about Pakistan other than the chapter dealing with "partition". They just end it in ONE sentence. Nothing else. Do some research before u talk *****!
- inactive, on 12/27/2008, -6/+13Not bad deed goes unpunished. I'm opposed to terrorism or any kind of extremism but things doesn't just "happen" to be that way. The US has made its share of ***** ups all around the world, the fact that you want easy and cheap oil doesn't help either. They doesn't hate just because you're "free" and "prosperous". You attacked first.
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