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- raggsat98, on 11/13/2009, -11/+63But we should refrain from jumping to conclusions here.
/s - 45superman, on 11/13/2009, -6/+34I think it's time I get some "Infidel" business cards printed up.
- DevilToo, on 11/13/2009, -1/+17I wonder what the business card print shop thought of that?
- DevilToo, on 11/13/2009, -7/+20I worked at print shop for a while and I remember one Christian group wanted us to print a full page advertisement with a bloody sword telling landlords not to rent to unwed couples & homosexuals or they will be murdered by God.
I refused to do it though. - Karmashock, on 11/14/2009, -2/+15The commanding officer failed his men.
The hospital failed the army.
The army failed the pentagon
The pentagon failed the country.
The country with it's endless insistence on PC crap killed these men. Look in the mirror. You killed them. We all did by not insisting that rational standards be applied. Instead we endlessly wring our hands trying not to offend people even when people have no reason to be offended. At this point it isn't discrimination. It's just logical.
I have nothing against Muslims. That however doesn't mean that we can ignore warning signs this guy was giving off. This guy was saying lots of inflammatory stuff for years that made it very clear where he stood. Worse, he wasn't even good at his job. He told soldiers suffering from shell shock that the US was wrong to fight. He was lazy... he was insubordinate.
For all this he was promoted when he should have gotten a dishonorable discharge and a spot on the FBI watchlist. - JasonQpublic, on 11/13/2009, -22/+35The government, liberals, and Muslims are like the 3 monkeys when it comes to Muslim terrorists - hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil.
- stompk291, on 11/13/2009, -15/+26because soldiers of jesus don't KILL ?
- JasonQpublic, on 11/13/2009, -16/+26Jesus taught love, not jihad.
- schickfu, on 11/13/2009, -23/+33How is this different than Jesus Camp teaching children to become "Soldiers of Jesus"?
- Corinthos, on 11/14/2009, -2/+11I have business cards that says Professional Assassin. Got them from a spam email that offered free shipping of 250 of them for free. Used a prepaid simon visa with 3 cents on it to sign up.
I drop them in those business card raffles all the time. I've won a couple meals from Hardee's (carl Jrs) - JDLamb88, on 11/14/2009, -0/+8Do you hand it out to other kids at your school?
- CrazedChemist, on 11/14/2009, -7/+15Sweet, so because the crusade was in response to Islamic jihad, that makes Christians not killers. Sound reasoning.
- Chooxo, on 11/14/2009, -3/+10"Maybe I'm slow but are you suggesting people should just assume that if a Muslim is involved in some sort of violence that it must be Islamic terrorism?"
A barfight? No.
A shoot-up/suicide-bombing? Yeah, probably. - schickfu, on 11/13/2009, -16/+22Leader of Jesus Camp on television in KC after movie came out (paraphrasing) - We are fighting a culture war, but not a war of ideas. This is a physical war and our children must be ready to fight. (I am from KC area and saw this personally.) So when a Christian murders an abortion doctor, or guards at a museum, or blow up a federal building, or shoots people from a clock tower, that's not killing?
If I had a nickel every time a Christian said "We should just kill all of those Muslims", bank CEOs would wish they could get that for a bonus. - OPR8R, on 11/14/2009, -10/+16Maybe I'm slow but are you suggesting people should just assume that if a Muslim is involved in some sort of violence that it must be Islamic terrorism?
I suppose that works. Just like when an abortion clinic gets blown up, I always assume it was a nut job Christian terrorist. - geopiscean, on 11/14/2009, -4/+10he is just another insult to the mankind
- rocknog, on 11/14/2009, -5/+11Relevance? The Klan is a militant Christian organization, but if someone calls themselves a "Solider of Christ," no one labels them a Klansman or argues that this label proves that Christianity is a violent religion.
- eir574, on 11/14/2009, -1/+6@these3
" In point of fact, you don't because you lack the only means of understanding the Bible"
But, you can understand anyone else's holy book perfectly, and perhaps even better than they can, right? You can just read the words on a page and know exactly what someone else believes, but Christians are so, so special that only they know what they believe. They reserve for themselves rights that they deny to others. (Some of them, that is -- certainly there are reasonable Christians who do not display bigotry towards others. Unfortunately, they're less vocal than the "you don't know what I believe, but I know exactly what you believe and I just wish I could see you burn in hell for all eternity, though at least the thought of it gives me great joy" variety you tend to see on digg. What an absolutely ugly religion I see portrayed by so many Christians here.) - CptBuck, on 11/14/2009, -2/+6You're not slow, you just haven't been following the news apparently.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,193 ...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5 ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125788890000142139 ...
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/official-nidal-hasan ...
The overwhelming evidence suggests that this man was known to be increasingly radical and that this was essentially ignored by everyone, intentionally or unintentionally. - curiousepic, on 11/14/2009, -1/+5He also misspelled "health"
- schickfu, on 11/13/2009, -5/+9I bet if you asked him he'd probably say that it wasn't even the weirdest thing that day. I can only imagine what some people put on cards. Chad Ochocinco probaby orders weirder than that every week.
- KCLorelei39, on 11/14/2009, -14/+18......aaaannnnnddddd the first Crusade was in response to Islamic jihad:
"The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land (former Christian territory) from Muslim rule and were originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Jihad_and_the_C ...
Jihad which had begun when Muhammad still lived, and was duking it out from Medina with Mecca:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Early_Instances ...
http://www.weaponofmusicaldefense.com/thelibrary/T ...
(Check your history before running your yap.) - KiwiHopeful, on 11/14/2009, -8/+12Disgusting. You never hear of any "Soldiers of Christ". /s
http://www.google.com/search?q=soldier+of+Christ&a ... - Karmashock, on 11/14/2009, -1/+5only problem there is that most of the sleeper terrorists we've been dealing with haven't been poor uneducated bumpkins. They were middle class with careers.
They could have lived the American dream. It was offered to each of them in it's full glory and they rejected it in favor of hatred, murder, and death.
At what point do we get the right to judge that? I mean morally judge it. Because it seems like no matter how many times the pattern repeats we still get fed the same line about how all this would go away if we took care of the poor better. This isn't an issue of class. It's an issue of world view. Of what civilization you belong to.
These people come to the US but have no interest in ever becoming a part of the civilization. It's more then the religion. If it were only religion they could make a home in the US and thrive. But this segment of the Muslim community won't do that. They'll just sit there and get angrier and angrier until they commit mass murder.
A hundred years ago this wouldn't even be a problem. Our tolerance is good but it has created new weaknesses. We need to understand that and compensate by being extra aware of what is going on. - Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -2/+6@stompk291:
And don't just postulate my insincerity and then argue with that.
So let me ask -- have you thrown away the Old Testament? Is it no longer the Holy Word of God? Does it now exist with a giant asterisk that says (unless where contradicted by the New Testament)?
If so, then I'd be curious as to what branch of Christianity you are practicing, because I'm pretty darned educated in religion and that's not a part of any one I'm familiar with. - Chooxo, on 11/14/2009, -2/+6What is it with everyone excusing being a "soldier of Allah" by claiming that other people are "soldiers of Christ?"
Just because "soldiers of Christ" have a retarded slogan it doesn't excuse this guy for having one. - Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -2/+5>>>if the Christians based it on the Roman, this is not my subject of discussion...
but our forefathers based it on the Judeo/Christians and that is a fact.
That is not a fact. It is the opposite of a fact. Where are you getting your history from? Have you even glanced at the Federalist Papers? Wait -- something just occurred to me: Are you talking about the United States, or are you from somewhere else?
And please stop saying "peace" when every other word out of your mouth contradicts the sentiment. - Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -1/+4@825143:
Oh for heaven's sake.
Not "pre-Roman's" -- re-read my post. I said "pre-Christian Rome." The Roman Republic. Or do I have to walk you through all of human history to get you to understand the most basic fact? But please, by all means educate me -- provide sources to the Founding Fathers structuring this country as a Christian nation. Oops, sorry: "Judeo"/Christian.
And when you make an argument that this is Judeo/Christian nation and that Muslims, immigrants or otherwise, are second to that tradition, that is not peace, it is exclusion based on faith. - BREZZZ, on 11/14/2009, -8/+11Hey, at least he didn't say the cop was acting stupidly.
- Rudegar, on 11/14/2009, -3/+6"The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land (former Christian territory)"
being that it was the first one and Christianity had not really caught on as much in Israel it would be former Jewish territory - Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -1/+4@stompk291:
You are the only person I have ever heard saying that Christianity is limited exclusively to the teachings of Christ.
The Old Testament and the New, in their entirety, are the word of God. Jesus was a prophet of peace, and it's very convenient to focus Christianity down to his teachings alone when in a discussion about peace, but it is wrong. It is denying the word of God Himself in the rest of Bible.
You can't pick and choose what you like in the Bible to fit your mood. You can interpret and discuss, but you can't ignore. - Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -2/+5@825143:
You have some interesting "absolute facts" there friend.
>>>The world is tribal, people support their own over justice and will spin issues to their favor,
that include any religious, ethnic or ideological group.
Yes, and that is what enlightened people call a "bad thing" about the world -- something that mankind should be taking every opportunity to change.
>>>the US is a Christian country at the moment, it follow a Christian calendar, our morals are drawn from the Judeo/Christian ideology, you like it or you don't it is a fact as of today.
Nice of you to throw a bone at the last minute to the "Judeos" right at the end there. As clearly a student of history, I'm surprised that you don't know that our national ideology, as well as our calendar, is much more rooted in the pre-Christian Roman Republic, which the Founding Fathers drew many more lessons from than they ever did their own respective faiths.
>>>the examples of the abortion Christians who bomb clinics are a logical fallacy, none of them went to a muslim country, lived there than bombed their stoning shows or female genital mutilation health facilities.
Hasan did not come here. He was born in Virginia.
>>>Peace
For "Judeo"-Christians...
- Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -1/+4Thanks for re-phrasing.
Now, I assume you are working on those Judeo-Christian quotes from the Founding Fathers?
I have an event to go to and probably won't be back until 8pm or so, but I will look forward to your dazzling defense of this nation's founding philosophy rooting in primary documents on my return.
I enjoy being humbled, so please don't disappoint. - Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -5/+8Actually, they shoot abortion doctors while they're at church.
But that was just an isolated incident, and not reflective of a pervasive violence in the religion as a whole, right? - Karmashock, on 11/14/2009, -2/+5alecadvent,
Blackwater or Xe is hardly some christian terrorist cult. It's just a run of the mill merc outfit. Yes, they kill people... but generally while defending something and they do it for money... not "Jesus"... With few exceptions if black water put a cap in your a$$ it was because you ran at check point or convoy and ignored warning shots... or hey, maybe you decided to attack a bunch of ex-army guys armed to the teeth and try your luck? Kind of a darwin award situation there...
If you still want to randomly attack black water at least call them "capitalist terrorists"... that way you'll at least be half right. - govsucks, on 11/14/2009, -5/+8Onward Christian soldiers
Marching as to war
with the cross of jesus
going on before
No but seriously. I live in the South US and I have been around some of the most hard core religious zealots you can possibly imagine and NONE of them has ever threatened to harm me or my family due to my lack of participation in their group. THis guy was a ideologically driven collectivist that was OK with violence. Most Christians are not OK with violence.
You know why so many poor people are either religious or social collectivists? Because they are looking for something other than themselves to answer their needs and atone for their mistakes. - Chooxo, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3Sure, and nobody labelled this guy likewise.
It's just interesting in retrospect, in light of his actions. - Suricou, on 11/15/2009, -0/+3By "out of context" he means "without the excuses I use to ignore it."
- lockedandlogan, on 11/14/2009, -2/+4All muslims? Not just the extremist? That sounds a little, well... Extreme.
- fiatjustitia, on 11/13/2009, -10/+12"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household"
Matthew 10:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQz33CJUik - KiwiHopeful, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2Eric Rudolf? Any of the other whackjobs who killed abortion doctors?
- fiatjustitia, on 11/14/2009, -1/+3@these3
"Just because you can cut and paste a Bible verse out of context does not mean you understand what it means."
out of context??!??!!? How the ***** else am I supposed to interpret those words? Please tell me, am I missing something? Are we speaking and reading the same language?
God you christians are a ***** joke, the whole lot of you. - Laminarcissus, on 11/15/2009, -1/+3Funny, I'm looking at a copy of the Federalist Papers sitting on my bookshelf right now, along with the Constitution, "The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution" by Bernard Bailyn, and "The The Spirit of `76: The Story of the American Revolution As Told by Participants" by Henry Steele Commager.
Any passages you'd like to point me too that even remotely make your point? Of course not, because you're not only dead wrong, you're too lazy to even try to be right.
So, I'll say the same thing you've likely heard from anyone trying to get you to interact with book larnin':
You're a disappointment. - edstate, on 11/14/2009, -2/+4ROP™
- CptBuck, on 11/14/2009, -6/+8That's right, you never hear of Soldiers of Christ going out and intentionally killing innocent people with machine guns.
- akatsuki, on 11/14/2009, -2/+4Tell that to Dr. Tiller
- schickfu, on 11/13/2009, -8/+10Both are wrong, but the hypocracy is what really gets me, on both sides for that as well. Both sides are first to scream foul, while turning a blind eye to what their own do.
- Karmashock, on 11/15/2009, -0/+1It doesn't matter. Most members of any religion are peaceful. All religions are made up mostly of normal people that just want to live a peaceful life.
At the same time, there are too many radical clerics running around stirring up the 2 percent of every population that are unhappy and want to kill for it.
You get the same thing from Christians if their priest is pushing violence. What people keep missing is that it's the clerics/priests you need to focus on. Forget the guy that just blew himself up. He was a tool.
Look, there are people in every population that are going to be inclined to violence. Depending on their environment that will take different forms. The problem is that these clerics are pointing the crazies in the Muslim population at mass murder. Ideally these guys should be in S&M dungeons, join drug gangs, or maybe become mercs or something. We have large portions of our population that feed the need for violence in different ways. Mass murder followed by suicide is not going to work. - toxtek, on 11/16/2009, -0/+1Fire all Muslims from your army. Anyone could become soa(SWT) anytime.
- Laminarcissus, on 11/14/2009, -3/+4@these3remain & stompk291:
The problem is not how you interpret Biblical verse, the problem is how you interpret the actions of men.
When a Christian kills an abortion doctor, Christians all over the world grant themselves the privilege of saying that this person was clearly a lunatic, someone who perverts the message of God and who has lost the faith despite what he says.
But when a Muslim commits a similar act we are drowned in discussions of how violence is endemic to Islam, complete with similar out-of-context quotes from the Koran.
If you are so concerned for context and fairness in religious discussion, I would expect to see many more posts from you helping the Muslims put these fanatics in the proper perspective. -
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