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- satanatnmtedu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+70It could have nothing to do with her appearance, but the manager that harrassed her for her political views should be fired for HIS actions (if true).
- SillyRabbits, on 10/10/2007, -21/+68Let me be the first to welcome her to the real world. In America you have the freedom to say whatever you want. However, that's doesn't mean you get to say anything with immunity.
I can call my boss an ***** if I like - they can't throw me in jail for doing it. However, that doesn't mean I can call him an ***** and still expect to keep my job. - zenlunatic, on 10/10/2007, -5/+52“He [boss] called me anti-American,” she said. “He was constantly calling me that.”
- theMcPatriot, on 10/10/2007, -9/+48If anyone would like to call the Store that fired her:
(248) 349-2700
They're open 24/7.
http://www.meijer.com/storelocator/unit.aspx?unit=54 - obliviousfool, on 10/10/2007, -1/+29What would you expect it to say?
- Rodman930, on 10/10/2007, -4/+31yes. Corporations always do the right thing and are never to be questioned.
/s - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26Meijer has been firing/laying off people left and right as of late. This doesn't come as a big shock. They just needed to find some reason to fire her. My old manager was recently fired because she had her grandmother die then her mom die in the same month. Then one month later her son died in Iraq. They fired her because she missed work...
...because she was at funerals.
That sickened me. - Rodman930, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23What? are they going to fire her more?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22She didn't call her boss an *****. Only a poor manager would fire someone for their political views, unless those views are a disruption in the workplace.
- crashbang, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19So using his position of power to fire her because he didn't agree with her beliefs is "free speech?"
- masterkenobi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15Why is it being anti-American? The problems with our healthcare system should be a non-partisan issue with a bi-partisan solution.
The guy's a tool. - CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11so, were the 499 other people that were let go in the movie too?
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11having differing political views is not the same as insubordination.
- leodavinci, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9This is dumb. I live in West Michigan which is where Meijer is based out of... they recently announced firing 500 mid level managers.
Maybe her boss was a jerk, but her firing had nothing to do with appearing on Sicko. - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Thank goodness I live in Canada. This "at will" employment I read about in the States sounds pretty much like a devolution back to the practices of the Industrial Revolution.
- Piedramente, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Why do we care that she is a "Hartland Grad"?
Do we know this school?? - kopasa, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8If she is working at a grocery store as a career choice, i HIGHLY doubt she needs you to "welcome her to the real world". She knows plenty about it.
- kolobcreek, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from getting fired.
- DoMifer, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Judging by your grammar, you wouldn't be in a position to do so.
- iceperson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6yeah. we only fight to protect speech that we agree with!
- khorbin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I thought employment was an "at-will" thing, meaning that you can be fired for any reason (except race, age, etc). Places can fire people because they smoke, because they are too fat, because their family members are too fat, because they liked the movie "Pearl Harbor," because they smell funny, or because they simply don't like the employee.
I'll probably get dugg down for this, but I don't see what the problem is here, even if it is true... - lesty420, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12It's not really a political movie it has elements of politics in it but its more or less talking about trying to get all parties together to support health care
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11Yeah, all those Socialist nations like Canada and Sweden and France are committing suicide. Are they doing that AFTER they are perennially topping the US in overall quality of life and expressed happiness?
- TheSabre, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No, he can't fire you for religious beliefs. There is a specific list of protected classes that you cannot be fired for. Religion is one of them. Race is another.
Bill of Rights does not govern what a company can do to their employees. It governs what the government can do to its citizens. - loup, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Not that I'm exactly disagreeing with you on the quality of life thing, I really have no comparison, but I for one don't measure my quality of life by the amount of stuff I own
- geekee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5SeaMowse makes Ann Coulter look intelligent. This story is completely inaccurate.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5@ jershie
easy to say until it happens to you - TheSabre, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You're right. Political beliefs are not protected under the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which defines Equal Opportunity Employment. Title 42, Chapter 21, Subchapter 6, Section 2000e-2 of the United States Code reads:
"It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin."
Nothing about political ideologies there. You can be fired for any reason other than those "protected classes". - thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Was it stupid to do?
Probably...
Was it illegal? NO - glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Yeah the government is so untrustworthy, what with it's requirement to uphold the constitution, and it being run be elected officials. We are much better off entrusting every thing we can to corporations which A: are not beholding to us and B: do not have to follow constitutional guidelines.
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4What part of GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare is not political?
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So they have the right to fire people because of their politics, but nobody else has the right to make them account for their actions and make the situation public?
Nice double standard you are waving there. - Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5not really, its more like if you dont do your job your ass is gonna get fired.
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Hrrrm.... From the EEOC website I don't see a damn thing in there about not being fired because of you broadcasting your political views on an international level.
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II. What Discriminatory Practices Are Prohibited by These Laws?
Under Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA, it is illegal to discriminate in any aspect of employment, including:
* hiring and firing;
* compensation, assignment, or classification of employees;
* transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall;
* job advertisements;
* recruitment;
* testing;
* use of company facilities;
* training and apprenticeship programs;
* fringe benefits;
* pay, retirement plans, and disability leave; or
* other terms and conditions of employment.
Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:
* harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, or age;
* retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
* employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities; and
* denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group. - mstoneburner, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sexual orientation IS NOT a federally protected class. What puts this ***** into people's heads?
- TheSabre, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Jesus MonkeyFarts, YOU need to learn a little about equal opportunity employment. Wrongful termination only applies to protected classes under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This covers race, color, religion, gender, and national origin. Americans with Disibilities Act further defines rights for disabled individuals. A bill introduced in Congress in April of this year, if passed, will provide the same protection for sexual orientation.
Currently, you CAN get fired legally for sexual orientation, beliefs, and political affiliation. There are not protected under the CRA or ADA. Most companies further define equal opportunity guideliens to include orientation or political affiliation, but it is by no means law.
You need to learn about the law before you chastize others. You're wrong. Political ideology is not a protected attribute in employment law. - FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It could show the store that they were wrong, for starters.
- MrUnderbridge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4WHAT? I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU!?!?!?!
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Well, they live longer, have more education, have healthier babies, have lower incidences of disease, have a higher literacy rate, have a greater spectrum of political expression, have much lower crime rates, say they are happier and own NEARLY as much stuff. That's a pretty good trade off.
- Octantis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3@Gaki. Actually you do waive those rights. You lose the right privacy while on company property. You lose the right to free speech while on company property. You can't say "I hate company my company" and be guaranteed that you will keep your job. Sorry that is the way America works. It might not seem fair but that is the way it is.
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3@ Monk22
How they see fit? Every time I see this I howl. I've run several of my own businesses (private practice) and there is no such thing as running it as you see fit. From civic law on up to federal law there are dozens upon dozens of statutes that apply to even the most mundane business. What you can sell, what you can't, who you can hire, who you can fire ... everything.
If businessmen were truly allowed to run businesses as they saw fit ... would any - ANY - of them ever pay taxes? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Well, it is probably more like freedom of association, but yes, it is.
Freedom of speech protects one from the government, but it does not protect one from other citizens. - DietMountainDew, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Trust me, as a Meijer employee she is better off, it is a dying company that isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
But there is truth in the layoff's. Recently corporate went through and layed off thousands of managers chain wide. Our store lost 4 managers. - tuxidomasx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5if she was hot, she prolly wouldnt have gotten fired
- AndrewJC, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You do realize that we're not talking about criminality here, right? We're talking about whether it's legal for an employer to fire you for a specific reason. As I said before: sexual orientation, gender, religion or race = no, it's not legal for them to fire you; political views = absolutely legal.
"Protected class" refers to a specific term in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). This has nothing to do with the constitution. - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Cockroaches don't like the light. Shine it on them and they scatter.
- timmyt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?s=6915075
Retail giant Meijer Inc. has eliminated 500 managerial jobs as part of a restructuring of its supercenters.
Spokeswoman Stacie Behler said Friday that 500 managers were given severance packages, while others were relocated to other Meijer stores and assigned different positions.
Meijer announced three weeks ago that it was restructuring how its 180 Midwest stores operate and serve customers. - pogfreak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yes, it is. It happens all the time, people in positions of power let their opinions and beliefs influence their decisions all the time. "Free Speech" is meant to protect us from the GOVERNMENT persecuting people for their ideas of beliefs - it does NOT protect you from your employer, your teachers, or the guy next door.
One of the most important things in the constitution and very few people actually understand it. Sad. - AndrewJC, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Sexual orientation, gender and race are all protected classes. That means that nobody can fire you for that reason, and if you can prove that they did so (regardless of what they said), then you are able to get your job back (why would you want to work for a company that tried to fire you, though?) or collect remuneration.
Political views, however, are not a protected class. - glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Calling your bass an ***** and expressing your political views are two very different things. She may not have legal recourse, but anybody who would fire a person because of their political beliefs when they have nothing to do with that person’s job is deserving of a swift kick to the throat.
Also, do you think a manager should be able to fire a person for coming out as gay? What about a new manager firing all the black people under his employ? Or all the women? -
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