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- sheeplescareme, on 11/18/2008, -20/+149the more things "change," the more they stay the same.
- imacommi, on 11/18/2008, -21/+111Change we can believe in!
/s - sergionegro, on 11/18/2008, -5/+87This is where pressure on our representatives and senators comes in. If we want accountability, we have to demand it. If enough pressure is felt, the politicians will have to respond.
- JKap, on 11/18/2008, -14/+70The hits just keep on coming: "I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture..." Obama said.
"I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breaches, and intentional breaches of the president's authority...I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction...We would once again, rather than attending to the people's business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, nonstop circus." -Barack H. Obama
IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED THEN YOU'RE ON THE KOOLAID! - ZZeke, on 11/18/2008, -2/+43Until 98% percent of the voting public pulls their collective heads out of their asses, those of us who see the false left/right R/D system as completely corrupted and have the common sense to know when to say when by voting 3rd party will be continue to be labeled as "fringe" voters who just take votes away from the "real" candidates. People just can't seem to grasp the fact that political parties were not meant to survive indefinitely - this is a myth which has been perpetuated by political parties and organizations themselves It's time to let go of our fathers' and grandfathers' parties, because neither one of them represents the "values" that our fathers and grandfathers relied upon these parties to uphold.
- DarkerMaster, on 11/18/2008, -6/+41But who is responsible? Is it the Interrogators? Or were they following orders. People following orders can not be held responsible. but those above them can. GO AFTER THE HIGHER UPS
- funkrusher, on 11/18/2008, -7/+38Oh, NOW you're outraged by this?
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -16/+45Should have voted for a genuine pro-peace, pro-justice candidate instead of Obama. It's not that he hasn't been patently obvious about his subservience to corporations and AIPAC in his short career as senator. What were people thinking? Look at where he's published his latest policy piece. In The Nation? In ZMag? No, it's on Foreign Affairs ... mouthpiece of the CFR. Jesus H Christ. Should have voted for Nader or McKinney, folks.
- sheeplescareme, on 11/18/2008, -2/+30@sergionegro-
that would work if any of those people actually worked for us. unfortunately, they sold out long ago. - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -1/+27Calling, faxing, emailing has not worked so far. Waterboarding Barbara Mikulski might yield some positive results.
- northwatuppa, on 11/18/2008, -0/+22The torture issue is likely to plague the Obama administration, especially with all the likely lawsuits. Nobody has heard the last of the Gitmo issue(s).
- ZZeke, on 11/18/2008, -4/+24like I said above, I think this should be a zero-tolerance issue for all those involved. If your orders are to subvert the constitution or the geneva convention, then you are well within your legal rights to disobey said orders. Unless the grunts were forced to torture under duress or threat of harm to themselves or their loved ones, they are just as guilty (and sick) as their commanders.
Besides, the only way you'll ever break the wall of silence about this ***** is to start rounding up the torturers themselves, whether they be military, CIA, or what-have-you, and handing down serious indictments. You cannot start prosecuting this at the top, because they all fall back on plausible deniability. You have to approach it as you would any organized crime ring - haul in the soldiers, and wait for someone to crack under pressure. - BigManOnCampus, on 11/18/2008, -2/+22And... despite having approval ratings lower than Bush's... our federal representatives are re-elected at a 90+% clip.
This is not democracy because Americans put too much importance on electing one man, and next-to-zero importance on what their representatives are doing.
Seriously, what is the difference between having two parties that are elected at 90% while having approval ratings lower than 30%, and having a single party that is elected at 90% while having approval ratings that are manipulated by the government censors? Answer? It's the difference between China and the U.S.
These days we look a lot like them. - inactive, on 11/19/2008, -7/+24No surprise here. Their will be no change in America's foreign policy.
- sheeplescareme, on 11/18/2008, -0/+15they're counting on our apathy-we need to show them that they're wrong.
- falkyr11, on 11/18/2008, -5/+20Two words -- Presidential pardon.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -3/+17Nope. But that's why people actually gave a ***** about Ron Paul, despite the truly-massive media bias against his campaign. But the problem wasn't just the media (pro big spending government). It was the Republican establishment (*equally* pro big spending government, but even less likely to admit it). Sigh.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -2/+15Exactly. Not that we should give up ... just need to dedicate ourselves to opposing and removing the powers that be.
- stonebear, on 11/18/2008, -3/+15That's what the nazis were saying at Nuremberg. The court ruled that soldiers in particular, and people in general, have a personal responsibility to refuse orders they know are crimes, and are liable for prosecution if they do not. Not sure how concepts such as treason and self preservation are supposed to fit in with that.
- stopthatplease, on 11/18/2008, -4/+16wont get fooled again!
--Pete Townsend - ZZeke, on 11/18/2008, -2/+13Everyone involved should be held accountable, from the guy "following orders", all the way up to the folks in the white house who created legal arguments in favor of torture. There should be no sliding scale of justice either. The same punishment for everyone who approved this *****, and everyone who looked the other way and failed to stop it, and those who carried it out. This needs to be a ZERO tolerance issue.
We know that this torture ***** all starts with the Bush/Cheney administration and their lawyers. This has been clearly established. It's time to appoint a special prosecutor and start a grand jury. - inactive, on 11/19/2008, -6/+17Out with the old, in with the old.
Let me find my surprised hat...
The day we have a president that isn't a member of the Council of Foreign Relations is the day that we have a president that actually gives a *****. - sheeplescareme, on 11/18/2008, -2/+13if we compromise our ideals as a nation and do not mete out justice to those that commit crimes, how can the people of this country hold their heads high? how can we demand and expect other nations to be bound by laws that we ourselves pay no heed to?
- GeorgeStone2, on 11/19/2008, -16/+27"Yes we can!" - Obama on torturing people.
- wishninja, on 11/18/2008, -13/+24Looking more and more like a one term president everyday.
- damack, on 11/19/2008, -2/+13LOL summed up pretty well.
Undoubtedly the better man for the job but he's still a politician and when the system is broken it doesn't matter whoose in power it's the same ***** just a different flavour.
The Democrats and Republicans are 2 peas from the same pod. Being on the left or the right of the pod makes litle difference considering the peas came from the same seed and they are fundamentally the same.
Only change so far has been who your getting ***** in the ass by, Republicans have had their fun now Democrats get to ***** America. - tgc1, on 11/19/2008, -3/+13Our nations have laws. No one is above them. No one.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -2/+12Kucinich.
- TheWorldWeKnew, on 11/18/2008, -0/+10The more the days go on, the less our constitution means to the government, it's just in their way.
Honestly, WE are the last hope for this country, not one person, or group of elected officials.
Just us. Just like in the beginning.
We're ***** if we just let things like this happen.Day,after day, after day. - wishninja, on 11/18/2008, -4/+13don't blame me I voted for Barr. (not that he wasn't a snake but still you can't blame me) The Barr campaign is still sending me emails asking for more money. LOl maybe the libertarians will nominate a good candidate next time.
- doughpro, on 11/19/2008, -0/+9There is also tons of evidence within social psychology that people will do what they think the majority is doing, even if it means compromising their principles. AKA, crowd psychology.
Example: Vote for Change, Vote for Obama. - hollismb, on 11/19/2008, -3/+12Am I on Digg? It's not just this political story... Where have all the Obama supporters gone? I'm really not even trying to be a smartass. Did they change their minds, or are they just being quiet? You'd think this wouldn't have even gotten on the front page even two weeks ago.
- gobbleplex, on 11/19/2008, -1/+9When you ask people how they feel about congress and they say "they're terrible" they usually mean "they're terrible except for my Senator who is great." That's why they are re-elected even though people 'are sick of congress.'
- mikelieman, on 11/19/2008, -1/+9Remember FISA immunity? There was never any honeymoon.
- wishninja, on 11/18/2008, -1/+9That is what investigations and grand jury trials are for if there isn't any then we can assume they are guilty.
- IceOfDiamonds, on 11/19/2008, -0/+8You shut the ***** up right now. LAWS ARE NOT RETROACTIVE, currently torture is still a grey area in your country. And any executive order that Obama signs off on would be active thereafter, this means that if these EMPLOYEES were to continue DOING THEIR JOB when they were exclusively told not to; they would be harshly punished.
But to pass a law and then have retroactive repercussions, is unfair to those that took the job legally. (yes you can argue that torture is unfair, but that is besides the point)
The law, regardless of how ***** up it is, keeps order. This is a universal axiom. There is no rebuttal.
(and yes i am outraged that people were tortured, but if pumping gas became illegal tomorrow, then all the gas attendants would be actively fired. you wouldnt expect all the cops in your country to hunt down every single person thats pumped gas in the past and throw them in jail.)
I can't believe im explaining this! I thought people on digg were supposed to have the ability to think critically, but you, sir, are a disgrace to the group. - easy4lif, on 11/18/2008, -14/+22You get what you pay for. Hope and change dumbasses.
- HappyScrappy, on 11/19/2008, -3/+10They don't get a pass, they get clemency.
These comments were about past actions, not allowing further transgressions. - niradg, on 11/18/2008, -7/+14I have mixed feelings about this. I do believe that crimes were committed and that people in the Bush Administration belong in prison. However, I understand that Obama wants to turn the page and look forward rather than back, and he wants to end the partisan bitterness in Washington. Maybe he's too nice though.
- Wargala, on 11/19/2008, -0/+7See what I mean? Even in the face of obvious facts, you are becoming apologists. The same kind of people you berate when they do the exact same thing for Bush.
Tell me, how do you sleep at night being such massive hypocrites? - inactive, on 11/19/2008, -4/+11yeah and getting a BJ counts as "grave, grave breaches, and intentional breaches of the president's authority" but to name a few things that don't count as breaches of presidential authority: lying to the American people, sending our soldiers off to die in a war founded on lies, stealing our rights in the name of security and the downright theft of our hard-earned money doesn't count as a grave breach... nope, not at all.
/oozing sarcasm - bringitdownnow, on 11/19/2008, -6/+13Change we can believe in right guys?
Politicians protect their own, this shouldn't come as any surprise. - mikelieman, on 11/19/2008, -0/+6Why are you SOFT ON CRIME?
- authorfriendly, on 11/18/2008, -2/+8I fear that his sunny positive disposition will mean nobody gets punished, as the Queen of Hearts (or was it the DoDo Bird?) in Alice In Wonderland said "everybody wins, everybody gets prizes"
- sigg14, on 11/19/2008, -0/+6typical response. and exactly what they want. keep us divided and blaming each other for all the wrongs. when are you people going to realize that both R and D are the same? they are puppets of the same masters and we the people no longer pull those strings. I am going to make a little prediction here. in 12 years everybody will be so disgusted with obama we will accept whatever piece of ***** in a suit the republicans nominate, just like we just did with obama. nothing ever changes except the letter next to their name. the differences between obama and mcain were superficial at best
- sheeplescareme, on 11/19/2008, -0/+6fisa, the patriot act, leaving troops in iraq, using private mercenaries, rattling the sabre at iran, russia, and pakistan, sending more brigades into afghanistan, an unbalanced budget, lobbying for bailouts, flip-flops on campaign financing, and a cabinet full of war-loving washington insiders. my statement fits. next time, kindly refrain from using profanity-laced insults.
- laizzesfaire, on 11/19/2008, -2/+8he lied under oath. Thats serious. You and I would goto jail for it
- omgwtflawl, on 11/19/2008, -2/+8Hey, guess how much the reps/senators and the president elect care about you? Go ahead, guess!
- PabloMac, on 11/19/2008, -0/+6They "felt" the overwhelming negative pressure regarding the bailout, yet we see how they responded to that proposal.
- sphira, on 11/18/2008, -1/+6best immediate tools so far are communities like digg -
throw the net wide and win them over
crush the bastards with a snowball -
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