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- WhiskeyWrites, on 01/11/2009, -20/+248Can anyone verify the translation?
- Harvester1, on 01/11/2009, -87/+201No respect for human life, no love for their children (as evidenced by their refusal to get their children out of harm's way when granted the opportunity or by encouraging them in suicide bombings or to help protect the terrorists). Disgusting and heartbreaking.
- richmomz, on 01/11/2009, -51/+158Propaganda fail: This video is from last year - and featured on the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs website (lol) Source: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+P ...
- MiddleAmerica, on 01/12/2009, -43/+144Propaganda fail: This video is from last year - and featured on the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs website (lol) Source:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+P ... - KMye, on 01/12/2009, -5/+103sucks you're getting dugg down; that's a very reasonable thing to want to confirm...
- thisissami, on 01/12/2009, -7/+80that translation is more or less correct (it's been altered a bit from the real thing, but not by much). the last 2 words are "something human", so i'm assuming that the something is "shield" (only thing i couldn't translate).
however, keep in mind that the text that's shown on TV is stuff that people text in to the TV station and they just display whatever comes in. this could easily be hamas actually sending something like that, israel sending something like that to try to get hamas to look worse in the international eye, or just some random prankster. something tells me that no matter what hamas might do, they aren't stupid enough to just advertise stuff like this on TV. - mccd, on 01/12/2009, -7/+69The translation is NOT completely correct
The google traslation of
بعد التهدید بالقصف: حماس تدعو جماهیر شعبنا للتوجه الی ابو الهطل منزل یحی الشعف لتشکیل درع بشری
is "After the threat of bombardment: Hamas calls for the masses of our people [not children] went to the house of [some name] Yahya Alcaf [I think to form] human shield"
شعب (maybe shaa'b in English form) in English means "people" not "children" but they translated it as "Hamas calls all Gaza CHILDREN to gather..." - EMFK, on 01/11/2009, -73/+132If Hamas wants to 'play' with Israel, they should MAN UP and stop hiding behind women and children. It reminds me of the rest of these terrorist groups---they have agendas and push little children to die for their cause. If they think it's so great, get out on the front lines and prove it. Otherwise, shut up and go home.
- mushus, on 01/12/2009, -8/+53I can't believe how can some tell such a lie while anyone can see the original text and translate it!
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The Arabic text is (and you can check it in the video):
بعد التهدید بالقصف: حماس تدعو جماهیر شعبنا للتوجه إلى منزل أبو الهطل بحي الشعف لتشكيل درع بشري
And the English translation is (you can use google translate to make sure):
"After the threat of bombardment: Hamas calls on the masses of our people to go to the house of Abu AlHatal, in AlSha'af district to form a human shield".
There's no mention of children at all!
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This is a known tactic all over the world. And the people here are trying to prevent the demolition of their houses.
A few examples of this tactic:
Tank Man, in China:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
Peace Activists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Tactic_i ...
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Buried as Inaccurate!. - lolwaffle, on 01/11/2009, -42/+86And Israel, knowing this, will shoot anyway.
- NoLibertarians, on 01/11/2009, -77/+119Hamas' theory is too use women and children as human shields to decrease the surplus population. Makes for pretty intense propaganda photos and videos.
- fightingforair, on 01/12/2009, -1/+37agreed.
- MiddleAmerica, on 01/12/2009, -66/+97
QUESTION:
Q - What is the excuse that Israelis use for stealing their neighbors land?
A - Because it was already theirs! Apparently God gave them (Israelites) that land thousands of years ago (to Abraham I believe).
Here's a thought experiment for everyone.
If the US had large parts of our country stolen & occupied by another nation, clearly in violation of international law, wouldn't the US fight back?
And if the US only had crude rockets, wouldn't they use them?
- LocalDocal, on 01/12/2009, -5/+33That's the first thought that came to my head: I need someone to verify the translation. If nothing else, years of being on Digg taught me that when it comes to politics, people love to use words out of context or outright ***** by using semantics.
I won't claim that Hamas is a 'saintly organization' or anything, but I have a hell of a hard time believing that they would call, on national TV no less, all kids in Gaza to stand around some guy's house to wait for an airstrike. - mithrasinvictus, on 01/12/2009, -6/+34Seems pretty irresponsible to be firing unaimable rockets into a country full of innocent civilians.
- mccd, on 01/12/2009, -17/+45In that video, Hamas does NOT call CHILDREN but people of Gaza to form human shield....
The google traslation of
بعد التهدید بالقصف: حماس تدعو جماهیر شعبنا للتوجه الی ابو الهطل منزل یحی الشعف لتشکیل درع بشری
is "After the threat of bombardment: Hamas calls for the masses of our people went to the house of [some name] Yahya Alcaf [I think to form] human shield"
شعب (maybe shaa'b in English form) in English means "people" not "children"
shaa'b in wikipedia (translated by google): http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl ... - thisisthepope, on 01/12/2009, -13/+39THIS TRANSLATION IS WRONG. It confuses the news flash with the little banner on right that says "who is for the children of Gaza??"
The news flash comes on after and reads : After a threatened airstrike: Hamas calls upon its people to gather near the house of Abu Hatal in the Shaghaf quarter to form a human shield.
I'm not sure about the date of this video and could not discern it from the newsfeed below. Could be old.
Nobody wants their children to die. Please, enough with the facile vilification. - t3hNinj4, on 01/12/2009, -8/+29Dugg for truth. The Palestinians would have the moral high ground, but their inhumane and short-sighted tactics have managed to make themselves--grossly outmatched underdogs defending their land--into the bad guys. Way to go. You have to wonder how things might be if they'd had a Palestinian Gandhi instead of thousands of wannabe Bin Ladens.
- mithrasinvictus, on 01/12/2009, -10/+29If the US had children, would they use them as a human shield to cower behind?
Would they use propaganda to make their young suicide bomb innocent civilians?
If the US had crude rockets, would they aim them at the enemies civilian population? - KMye, on 01/12/2009, -2/+21My family, on one side, stood up to a vastly superior military force, along with their countrymen, and held them off for all of WWII (sisu!). They would never, ever have considered targeting civilian populations in their battle, and somehow using their families - women and children - as shields would be even less imaginable. People who think either of these is ever an acceptable strategy are less than human, and worthy of extreme contempt. I can't civilly explain the disdain I hold for your sentiment, and if it reflects accurately on you, yourself as well...
- eShinn, on 01/12/2009, -18/+37@ShadowofAres
Wow buddy. That was absolutely amazing to me. A woman from a foreign land (i.e. U.S.) to protest the demolition of a families rightfully owned home is crushed by a well-aware dozer operator and you defend this act of Israel like that?
... I'll stop on this comment before I say something REALLY corrosive. - addingyears, on 01/12/2009, -4/+23yeah, it's stupid too. I guess no one told the world that Hamas murderers won't think twice about blowing up these kids if it means a chance to manipulate the opinions of a gullible public.
- mithrasinvictus, on 01/12/2009, -7/+26I might.
I might even do worse things than that.
I would NOT use children as human shields, tell them to martyr themselves, transport weapons in ambulances, suicide bomb or shoot rockets at innocent civilians or fire rockets from schools, hospitals, UN buildings etc.
When you commit atrocities like that, you forfeit any consideration for what might otherwise have been a just cause. - publiclurker, on 01/12/2009, -14/+32They have been allowing civilians to leave since the defensive action began. They probably won't let your friends take their missiles with them into Egypt, however.
- JenniferInMO, on 01/12/2009, -35/+53I suggest you all read this article: http://digg.com/world_news/Welcome_to_Hell_Gaza_s_ ...
Tell me that you wouldn't throw stones, bottle rockets or whatever you could get your hands on if you and other Americans were treated like this. - prime9891, on 01/12/2009, -20/+38***** Hamas, ***** Israel. Seriously why are people even choosing sides here?
Both sides are responsible for this and it's pointless to take blame off either side. - gernati, on 01/12/2009, -26/+43They are not really children but grown ups. Second, if they are human shields, then Rachel Corrie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie ) is also a human shield when she tried to protect a palestinian home against illegal demolition. These people are protesting the illegal demolition of a home, but instead of a bulldozer israel is showing their disregard of palestinian lives, and children and terrorizing them by using a F-16 to demolish it.
- 818digg, on 01/12/2009, -1/+18Haha, the US has this land because they took it from the native americans.
- nalbalool, on 01/12/2009, -17/+34you idiot, it dosn't say children in that video the word "to children" is at the bottom left corner, and its an ad for donations.
F!#$ing idot - Zovc, on 01/12/2009, -18/+34It's fake, it says no such thing.
- addingyears, on 01/12/2009, -1/+17Terrorist from arab states have no right to shoot rockets at Israeli cities. Terrorism is a curse to the world peace.
- anarki13, on 01/12/2009, -0/+16On the far right, just under the picture of the baby it says:
"Who is for Gaza's children?"
while the main caption translates to:
"After bombardment threats: Hamas urges the people to go to the house of Abu-El-Hatal in Al-Shouaf area to form a human shield"
so while it does literally say Human Shield, its not about children.
I guess the mention of the word "Children" with the baby pic earlier caused this confusion. - decoy26517, on 01/12/2009, -4/+19Question: Is it really theft if a country won it during a war? If that's the case hell I want England to give Scotland and Ireland back the lands they stole from them!
- coyote1284, on 01/12/2009, -2/+17*raises hand*
Can one disagree with the tactics of *both* sides? I know I do, and some of the tactics my own country empolys for that matter. But if I express my disgust of Hamas putting weapons on roofs of schools and hospitols, you label me as an Israeli sympathizer or a "Zionist". OTOH, if I express concern over Israel's over-use of force, I'm an "anti-Semite" and "terrorist-lover". ***** Hamas AND ***** Israel. - secretkeeper88, on 01/12/2009, -1/+15yes i agree..we need verification..
cant trust anything on digg which is related to politics..and LiveLeak is known for 1st posting fake videos and then claiming to change it - pintomp3, on 01/12/2009, -13/+27"Seriously why are people even choosing sides here?" One side is getting billions of US taxpayer dollars every year.
- bbobson12, on 01/12/2009, -12/+26Again an simple illustration of the two sides:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/israel_pales ... - addingyears, on 01/12/2009, -0/+13Over 75,000 - 300,000 people were killed in Darfur and Chad in the brutal attack of Sudanese rebels that started in 2003 for little apparent reason. Over 2.5 million people were injured and displaced. Sudan has sustained the brutality by supporting and protecting the rebels for five years. Supplies, food and energy sources are non-existent. Innocent are murdered, raped, looted, and bombed, and there is virtually no outcry or international interest to end the situation any time soon.
- coyote1284, on 01/12/2009, -4/+17The Geneva Convention states quite clearly that if a force is using structures like churches, schools, hospitals, etc. (structures normally considered illegal targets) as a strategic military position it is fair game and the war-criminal is the force hiding behind its civilians.
Now, with that said, just for information, you probably won't read this part and chalk me up as a "Zionist" or Israeli apologist. What you won't know is I think Israel is pretty ***** up, too. Both sides are fighting a zero-sum battle for religious superiority. The real tragedy is suffered by the ordinary citizens on both sides, the people that *would* like to co-exist with the others if it weren't for the propoganda thier own governments concoct about the "enemy". ***** em. - Azerael, on 01/12/2009, -9/+22I don't think anyone is really on Hamas' "side" so much as they are trying to counter the fair and balanced illusion people have that Israel is under some kind of constant barrage of nuclear baby-seeking Islamissiles personally fired by Saddam Hussein, Osama Binladen and Doctor Doom in an effort to take away America's freedom.
- mushus, on 01/12/2009, -11/+24It's not just from last year, it's also a lie!.
I can't believe how can someone tell such a lie while anyone can see the original text and translate it!
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The Arabic text is (and you can check it in the video):
بعد التهدید بالقصف: حماس تدعو جماهیر شعبنا للتوجه إلى منزل أبو الهطل بحي الشعف لتشكيل درع بشري
And the English translation is (you can use google translate to make sure):
"After the threat of bombardment: Hamas calls on the masses of our people to go to the house of Abu AlHatal, in AlSha'af district to form a human shield".
There's no mention of children at all!
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This is a known peaceful tactic used all over the world. And the people here are trying to prevent the demolition of their houses.
A few examples of this tactic:
Tank Man, in China:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
Peace Activists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Tactic_i ...
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Buried as Inaccurate!. - mithrasinvictus, on 01/12/2009, -0/+12No amount of injustice can justify the killing innocent people on purpose.
Since, as you say, they have no effective military means would it not make sense to try for the moral high ground? - FolkTheory, on 01/12/2009, -6/+18it already happened. there used to be indians here before the US killed them, stole their land and put the survivors in reserves. how would you like it if they start firing missiles at your city?
- gernati, on 01/12/2009, -17/+28Maybe it would be easier if the allowed the gazan civilan population to flee the fighting? But instead israel has gaza under blockade, making it a prison/concentration camp that they are bombing where civilans have no where to flee.
- izosity, on 01/12/2009, -6/+17OMG! its on the news it must be true
- Skab, on 01/12/2009, -22/+33HEY MEGAPHONE USERS SHUT THE ***** UP! Their is NO way for anyone to prove any of this translation.
- mithrasinvictus, on 01/12/2009, -4/+15Weren't those rockets fired from land they got back? Where's the incentive to give back more?
- CressCrowbits, on 01/12/2009, -6/+17IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION:
Anyone reading this now might want to read the comments further down which show the original text does NOT say children, it says people.
Quote:
The google traslation of
بعد التهدید بالقصف: حماس تدعو جماهیر شعبنا للتوجه الی ابو الهطل منزل یحی الشعف لتشکیل درع بشری
is "After the threat of bombardment: Hamas calls for the masses of our people [not children] went to the house of [some name] Yahya Alcaf [I think to form] human shield"
شعب (maybe shaa'b in English form) in English means "people" not "children" but they translated it as "Hamas calls all Gaza CHILDREN to gather..."
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children as in the original people of the land
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the word "shaa'b" IS translated to people or masses !!!
omg i cant believe the amount of douche bags insisting on spreading this kind of propaganda at such time !!!
i dont even think that there would be any children left in Gaza by next week.
wtf ppl !!! research !!!
Again: IT SAYS 'PEOPLE' NOT 'CHILDREN'!
Buried as ***** propoganda. - aurorion, on 01/12/2009, -3/+14____________________________________________________________
The translation is NOT completely correct
The google traslation of
بعد التهدید بالقصف: حماس تدعو جماهیر شعبنا للتوجه الی ابو الهطل منزل یحی الشعف لتشکیل درع بشری
is "After the threat of bombardment: Hamas calls for the masses of our people [not children] went to the house of [some name] Yahya Alcaf [I think to form] human shield"
شعب (maybe shaa'b in English form) in English means "people" not "children" but they translated it as "Hamas calls all Gaza CHILDREN to gather..."
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- from an above post by mccd. - Barackalypse, on 01/12/2009, -9/+19While I have no doubt Hamas would do this, I can't read Arabic and with all the propaganda flying around, I'm certainly not going to take some translation off a random video sharing site's word for what that said.
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