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- inactive, on 07/06/2009, -40/+231Question: Why are all these sworn guardians of the Constitution now only rushing to the Second Amendment's defence, whilst those same people did nothing whilst the Bush Administration proceeded to ***** all over that same document?
- Mnementh2230, on 07/06/2009, -20/+109"President Bush loves America, Barry doesn't."
Unevidenced assertion.
"President Bush didn't desire to be king of the world, Barry does."
George W. Bush- "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier; just so long as I'm the dictator." - Washington D.C. December 18, 2000
"President Bush was trying to deal with terrorists, Barry is merely destroying the country for his own edification."
Bush also deregulated the financial sector to the point that it allowed this economic mess that we're dealing with to spring up. Bush, in dealing with the terrorists, destroyed the economy. BARACK (that is his name, not Barry) is dealing with it as best as he is able.
"teleprompter robot"
As opposed to President Pretzel? President "I can't open a door" Bush? President Nucular? Yeah, President Obama likes to use his teleprompter, but at least he isn't mispronouncing common words, or just making up new ones. - oldhick, on 07/06/2009, -34/+119I can't fault anyone for getting a permit. Why would you? Anyone who wants to be able to protect themselves should be able to and to be honest, I don't think they should require even a permit to do so, but that is another debate for another time.
Why have permits surged during Obama's Presidency? Because people are afraid they will loose their gun rights under a liberal President and Congress. This is a reasonable fear. Many (not all) liberal politicians do support gun control and limitations on the 2nd amendment. So there is nothing "crazy" or "unbalanced" to believe that the in the near future, restrictions may be enacted. There is nothing crazy about taking every step to try and guarantee your rights are protected and that your family is protected.
So now that we've shown that this is neither crazy nor unreasonable on any level, lets move to the next criticism. Now we routinely see the "where were you when other rights were being trampled" criticism. This is an interesting one. First it's a brilliant distraction. The actual logical response is that the question is irrelevant to this specific discussion. But the underlying sentiment bears a response... The obvious implication of this criticism is that one’s view on another issue somehow validates a position on this issue or one’s ability to even discuss this issue. There is some truth to this.
The digg user "inactive" (no longer exists on Digg) argues that banning porn is a great idea. ( http://digg.com/world_news/Ukraine_Outlaws_Porn ) Inactive also was an active poster in defense of the 2nd amendment. Obviously this user has a particular problem when relying on the Constitution to defend his position that gun ownership is a right. If we deny that the Constitution protects speech (printed or spoken), ignoring the first amendment, then we have a difficult time using the Constitution as a basis for proving the Constitution protects gun ownership. The user "tasine" is another who fails to recognize the validity and importance of the 4th amendment, accepting and tolerating blatant encroachments of this amendment in the Bill of Rights while defending any encroachments of the 2nd amendment. They are logically contradictory positions. But in reality, the details are lost in the minutiae. A user like "tasine" will argue the phrase "un-reasonable" in the fourth amendment pretending that wiretapping ALL telecommunications is reasonable, but would argue that restrictions agains hand-gun ownership are complete unreasonable. Essentially, these digg users are idiots that should be avoided at all costs. This is true of people on both sides of the debate. Those that are bothered by our violations of the 4th amendment but fail to defend the 2nd are equally as idiotic.
This is why I defend ALL of our Constitutional protections equally.
But again, this is simply a distraction. The fact that certain people take logically contradictory positions doesn’t change the logic of a specific argument. The “where were you on other issues criticism” is essentially an attack on the person making the argument, not the argument itself.
So again, I encourage everyone to get a permit, to be prepared to defend their family, to learn safe handling and operating procedures, and finally, I encourage EVERYONE to defend ALL of their Constitutional protections. - Antiman1337, on 07/06/2009, -15/+98These comments are terrible
- birch25, on 07/06/2009, -27/+108Ever since this president is black.
I really have no idea what these people are all scared of. Bush actively negated rights from the Constitution while Obama has done nothing (or even said anything) about taking people's guns and the gun nuts are freaking out. My friend (who is a cop) voted for McCain only because he was afraid Obama was going to take away his right to carry. - ApokalypseNow, on 07/06/2009, -2/+82Well, regarding President Obama and guns, he did at one point say he was in favor of the reinstatement of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban (Beck, Hannity, and O'Rielly went nuts for a while about it), but since that died in committee, he has said he will not pursue it any further. Given how irrational that particular piece of legislation was, I can understand some concern (I even had some myself), but since it is dead, we're in the clear for now.
The rest of it seems to be just irrational fear. - Striker101, on 07/06/2009, -19/+96So far, yet again, nobody has mentioned that we do not need gun permits. Such are both an infringement on the 2nd amendment and a sure way of landing on the roundup list.
- Mnementh2230, on 07/06/2009, -10/+67"The truth is, that’s what Bush was all about: Human freedom"
Then why did he deny gays the freedom to marry each other?
...Oh! That's right - because it conflicted with his religious agenda.
And since when has it been the US's job to interfere in countries like Iraq? They didn't have WMDs, they were no threat to us. We are not the world's police force. - Dimensio, on 07/06/2009, -4/+60"Bush deserves our thanks for keeping this country safe."
Please explain exactly how Mr. Bursh accomplished this. - Smokeydabear, on 07/06/2009, -5/+55A lot of gun dealers are taking advantage of this climate to gouge consumers on ammo prices.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 07/06/2009, -7/+50I'm sorry to have to say this Tasine. I've made every effort to be respectful of you no matter how sharply I've disagreed with you. But as of late your comments have breeched a threshold beyond which I generally decide that the commenter isn't worth my time, and I happily tell them they're somewhere between full bore loony and ***** nuts, depending on how vigorously they've embraced teh crazy.
So Tas, you're officially nuttier than a squirrel turd. If there's a point where you decide you want to sit at the adults' table again you're welcome to step up your game and address sound, logical arguments with sound, logical replies. Until then please STFU until you have something worthwhile to say. The adults are talking. - inactive, on 07/06/2009, -5/+47It's bought with a Chicago education.
- badqat, on 07/06/2009, -4/+46And Kentucky is an open carry state - meaning you're free to carry a firearm as long as it is not concealed.
- DeskFlyer, on 07/06/2009, -6/+47I bought an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.
- lanemik, on 07/06/2009, -14/+55The Obama Derangement Syndrome ® is strong in tasine. There is, unfortunately, no cure. Happily, his/her ilk are easy to spot and easier to ignore.
- Dimensio, on 07/06/2009, -15/+56Not all firearms owners are members of the Republican party. Either you have no understanding of the subject, or you are dishonest.
- Mnementh2230, on 07/06/2009, -8/+49"I don't actually know where you get your talking points, but it isn't from any newsworthy source. "
Talking points? This is stuff I've looked up because I'm interested.
The quote regarding Bush's wish to be a dictator is available on Youtube, and elsewhere. Here, let me google that for you: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=bush+dictator+quote
"Those of you who cannot accept a job well done just because your leaders tell you otherwise don't really have much to contribute."
A job well done? WELL DONE? BALONEY! Here's a short list of Bush's failures:
-Invaded a sovereign nation (Iraq) with another war already in progress, based on faulty intelligence.
-Reduced women's reproductive rights
-Increased religion's influence on government and government spending (faith-based initiatives)
-de-regulated the financial sector too far, which allowed the current economic crisis.
-lowered taxes drastically while increasing spending, ballooning the national debt.
-had no plan for escape from either of the two wars he started.
-drastically miscalculated the response of the locals from the nations he invaded.
-alienated the international community with unilateral actions.
-allowed torture of prisoners, which further polarized many Muslims against the US (and the CIA says it wasn't necessary anyway)
-Allowed 9/11 attacks despite warnings from the intelligence community that something was going to happen.
I could go on and on.
"Barack Obama wants to rule the world"
Evidence for this assertion? That's right, you've got none.
"EVERYTHING he has done points to that."
OR, if you're not looking at it through neo-con lenses, you can see that he's trying to save the economy that Bush critically injured, using the same economics that pulled Switzerland out of the world wide recession FIRST in the 1920's - ahead of Germany and it's war-time economy.
"Just my brain cell logic."
I'd say, then, that you're getting senile.
"And YOU are freedom lovers"
Yes, I am. I am for the freedom of religion, and *from* it. I am for the freedom to have an abortion if you want it. I am for the freedom to fail as well as succeed. I am for the freedom of the people of nations foreign to the us to chose their own form of government, through whatever means are available to them. I am for homosexuals to enjoy the same freedom to marry and enjoy the legal benefits thereof that heterosexuals have. I am for the right to bear arms. I am for the freedom of CHOICE, because monopolies benefit no one. I am for the freedom from torture, no matter what country you are born in, confined to, or held by. I am for the freedom of the press, because they are the watchdogs on our government. I am for the freedom that BALANCE between economic regulation and deregulation brings.
YOU, on the other hand, would force your religious convictions on others. You would have people tortured. You would have no regulation of the financial sector, despite the evidence we're experiencing now that it leads to ruin. You would have reproductive rights abolished. You would deny people the ability to marry who they love, and enjoy the legal benefits of that marriage.
Yes, I'm for freedom. The freedom to live free from the shackles of cold-war era thinking that people of your generation can't seem to get over. I'm for the freedom to try new things free from the prejudices that your generation perpetrated, and that the following generation overturned with constitutional amendments, marches, blood, sweat, and tears during the civil rights movement. Most of all, I'm for the freedom from BIGOTRY - that unthinking, unreasonable hatred that has set itself into the religious right. - Bagos1, on 07/06/2009, -4/+41Is that bought with a Chicago accent?
- obliviousfool, on 07/06/2009, -5/+40The ***** word in this article is, of course, apparently.
I live in Indiana, and my brother is a gun dealer. He has been doing brisk business. I've talked with him several times about it, and he says it's the economy. People look at all the layoffs from the factories, and they start to worry more about being robbed. He also says that the bad economy has a lot of people *selling* their guns. He's been able to get his hands on all sorts of collector's items that just weren't on the market just a few years ago. Think about it. For more people to buy guns there have to be more people selling guns!
And please go buy some guns. Preferably from my brother! It is your constitutional right, so please be prepared to pay top dollar. - inactive, on 07/06/2009, -10/+45"Phallusanxia"
Well done, "Groucho". It hardly gives whatever you say next any credibility.
"Your comment is so stupid it doesn't deserve a reply."
So, basically:
"LA LA LA LA LAA I'M NOT LISTENING"
"He deserves our admiration for his program which is saving the lives of thousands and thousands of the HIV afflicted in Africa."
Think how much more money he could have spent on that, if he wasn't, umm, "freeing" Iraq.
"America's 43rd president did after all directly liberate more people (over 60 million) from tyranny than any leader since Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt."
Where did you pull that number from? Iraq's population is about 20/30 million. And what about Gobachev?
"The truth is, that’s what Bush was all about: Human freedom. All the cries of “fascist” and fantasies of assassination only emphasized his respect for free speech, and served as misdirection from the fact that human rights and freedom were what Bush was all about."
...LOL
Can anyone say Gitmo?
"Freedom for you and for me"
I was already quite free, pre-Bush with no threat from extremist Muslim terroists, thank you very much.
"and for Africans dying of AIDS"
Yep, just like those free Zimbabweans. Who are still dying of AIDS.
"Georgians"
And look where that got them.
"Eastern Europeans"
That was Bush Sr.'s success, not his sons.
"Iraqis"
*Facepalm*
"Cedar States."
The freedom to be blown apart by Israeli missiles, thanks to Hezbolah kidnapping one Israeli soldier? I don't think I want that freedom. - pnunn, on 07/06/2009, -1/+35*you're. Sorry dude- no points this round.
- inactive, on 07/06/2009, -23/+55They're both scumbags who have expanded the government and violated the constitution.
Bush wasn't a conservative by any traditional definition of it. I know you don't want to hear that but its the truth.
Conservatism has been hijacked in America by the neocons.
Thomas Jefferson would spit on George W Bush. - inactive, on 07/06/2009, -0/+28Buy one, get one comma free.
- Ninh, on 07/06/2009, -19/+47Somewhere Dick Cheney is cackling about having bought gun manufacturer stock before cranking the propaganda machine on gun-law restrictions.
- lanemik, on 07/06/2009, -7/+34I see the loonies are still out in force.
- cersad, on 07/06/2009, -2/+29If I were a gun store owner, I would definitely vote Democrat when my sales go down. Look at how effectively it boosts their sales!
To be honest, I don't think gun rights will ever go away. Organizations like the NRA and other pro-gun groups, even if they can be a little crazy sometimes, do a good job of preventing these laws from being slipped underneath the radar. I don't think any new or proposed gun-related regulation escapes the public eye. I also don't think the public as a whole would ever be too supportive of these laws; sure, you have a few people who want to curb gun sales, and the nuts that buy like crazy during Democratic administrations, but the moderates on this issue tend to simply say "I don't want to own a gun, but I see no reason that you shouldn't be able to." Granted, this is simply my personal impression of the attitudes I see, but when it comes down to it I have a sneaking suspicion that the status quo is a powerful force to protect gun ownership, regardless of how fearsome the anti-gun politics might appear. - ApokalypseNow, on 07/06/2009, -2/+27@elviscase
It was the proper thing to do, the thing most in keeping with the Constitution. Gitmo is a US military installation, thus, US soil. According to the Suspension Clause in Article I of the Constitution, the people held there are entitled to the same Constitutional protections as US citizens as long as they are in our custody. That includes right to a fair and speedy trial. - ssocket, on 07/06/2009, -1/+25That is because the submitter has no clue what they submitted. The article is not about "gun permits" but licenses to carry a concealed weapon. The two are in the same category, but very much different.
- Mujokan, on 07/06/2009, -9/+33I would bet that in 50 years time, people will view the Bush administration as a tipping point in the decline of American power. Don't worry, I'll come back here and apologize if it turns out I am wrong.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 07/06/2009, -2/+26I think the comment certainly does warrant a reply Alan. And one that's an actual rebuttal, not a sophomoric misspelling a digg user ID. What's funny is you apparently decided the comment was worth a reply, just not one in which you addressed the OP's point. I take it that's your way of saying you don't have a leg to stand on?
It's really simple: all of the former Bush supporters who are suddenly stalwart defenders of the Constitution owe themselves and the rest of us an explanation. Or an apology. I'm certainly man enough to admit I was wrong if the country is not a better place come 2012, and I'm also man enough to vote based on that assessment. I simply expect the same honesty from cold dead hands crowd. - Trigonometron, on 07/06/2009, -8/+31"Gun permits surge since Obama election"
Welcome to August 2008...people were doing it before he was elected and continued after.
Guess who is promoting this stuff the most...PEOPLE THAT SELL GUNS. I went to Sport Authority to see if I could grab some ammo to go to the shooting range. You know, actually shoot a gun instead of prepare for the coming apocalypse... Heard the kid running the gun rack tell several people "You know Obama's trying to take our guns away. It's about the 2nd amendment, he hates it.".
I went to an actual gun store and it's worse. They sit around all day telling racist stories and using fear mongering to sell guns and ammo. - Pixelante, on 07/06/2009, -7/+30Dugg up. Either we defend ALL of our rights or we will lose them all, one by one.
- goobly, on 07/06/2009, -2/+25I'm a self-proclaimed liberal and I own two guns. ***** off.
- inactive, on 07/06/2009, -14/+37Nervous about guns being banned? Up until two weeks ago, I laughed at those people's faces. But now that the government is going to ban flavored tobacco, I just don't trust any of them anymore.
- Professr, on 07/06/2009, -3/+26That's a choice those people have to make - it's not the government's job to do it for them.
- serif69, on 07/06/2009, -12/+34They were always around, but they didn't get attention because when Bush was in office, being against the President was not just acceptable, it was the cool thing to do. Now that Obama is in office, it's now cool to swoon over the President, so anything that stands in defiance of that gets attention.
Also, many of them are simply crazy people who think that they can do something about terrorism, and Bush taking away civil liberties was alright because it meant we could find the terrorists. They also think that Obama is going to take away their civil liberties but give them to the terrorists. There is no limit to the amount of rumors crazy people will believe. - Trigonometron, on 07/06/2009, -6/+28Tasine, go ahead and stay out on the extreme.
The vast majority of us aren't extreme left or right. We are the ones putting this country back together. You won't notice, it's going to happen right under your nose.
Then you'll complain when you realize that you were left out in the cold.
When will you learn? You won't, you have no perspective. - diggduggDOOM, on 07/06/2009, -7/+29When you're discussing this with your revolutionary brothers and sisters, I recommend not telling them that a ban on fruity tobacco was the last straw for you.
- cptshamrock, on 07/06/2009, -2/+24Holy smokes a well reasoned comment on this story!
- oldhick, on 07/06/2009, -0/+21I apologize, I did not mean to imply that failing to have a gun means you can not defend yourself. If I did, I apologize.
To clarify, I meant, if you feel that a firearm is your best method of self defense than get one. If you have some other method, than I encourage you to train and safely perfect it.
I am against the taking of human life and would hate to imagine my self in a position that results in me using the "measure of last resort". - Dimensio, on 07/06/2009, -7/+27"because he's not from America"
Please explain and substantiate this claim. - spiralspirit, on 07/06/2009, -1/+21thats why I always carry 12 sticks of dynamite. and a pit bull.
for defense. - TheSkinsFactory, on 07/06/2009, -2/+22I'm also a lifelong Democrat who's also a member of the NRA. You can't stereotype people.
- cersad, on 07/06/2009, -5/+25oldhick, I really can't disagree with you, but I find it a bit disconcerting when people like yourself give an otherwise very well-reasoned argument in favor of gun rights and then in the same breath act as though failing to have a gun renders you unable to defend yourself. There are more methods to self-defense than simply pulling out a lethal weapon, which I always view as a measure of absolute last resort.
- Akairenn, on 07/06/2009, -1/+21...And gun prices.
It's my running theory that this is Obama's plan to spur the economy. :p - regeya, on 07/06/2009, -2/+22"Bush deserves our thanks for keeping this country safe."
So...the 2nd Amendment is important, but the 1st Amendment isn't.
If the DHS told us we needed to give up our guns to keep us safe from terrorists, would you ask God to bless Barack Obama?
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor liberty to purchase power." --Ben Franklin - Mnementh2230, on 07/06/2009, -1/+20Cars - whatever you can afford that gives good gas mileage. Be responsible.
Foods - do some research you lazy bum. I'm no vegetarian - moderate yourself. If you're happy being a fat bastard, be a fat bastard.
Smoke - follow the law, or change it if you think you must.
listen to - follow the law.
how much you can make - as much as you want, so long as you're not beholden to the government.
Hire - if you're the boss, do what's best for your business.
say - whatever you want, but don't expect them to tolerate hate speech or "fighting words" passively.
trees - that's your call, if you want to or not.
faith - anywhere but in government funded buildings. I don't want to fund you with my tax dollars.
wealth - as much as you think you can. I'd advise social responsibility, following the example of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.
lightbulbs - right now, LEDs are the best bet, though they're expensive. Do what is economically feasible.
Was that so hard?
I realize you're trying to belittle me, but I took it seriously. - Coven, on 07/06/2009, -2/+21*starts the slow clap*
- TheUndertoker, on 07/06/2009, -2/+21TypicalDiggeral......are you one of those white supremacists that didn't vote for Obama because he is black?
Seee how dumb my comment sounds? Yours looks equally dumb. - sugarazor, on 07/06/2009, -5/+24"teleprompter robot"
Really? Still trying this one? Even though every president has used a teleprompter since it was invented? -
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