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- varun1s, on 07/13/2009, -12/+111"Second Ammendment zealots"?
Maybe then first ammendment zealots would be protesters?
It's exercising your rights, not that. - Professr, on 07/12/2009, -11/+96What can I say? Guns are awesome even without the NRA.
- NorthMass, on 07/13/2009, -22/+95Gun sales are on the rise because a guy who has always voted against gun rights is in office. Obama showed support for banning handguns in the Illinois Senate. The only thing he has said in support of the 2nd amendment is that he recognizes that hunters should have the right to bear arms.
What we can draw from all this is that he wants to ban all guns that are not rifles like in England, since he doesn't even seem to recognize the fact that people own guns to protect themselves from criminals.
These people are not nuts for buying guns as much as they are, they just know we have a guy who doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment in office. - schnikies79, on 07/13/2009, -6/+75I never hear 1st amendment supporters refereed to as zealots.
- an0nymous, on 07/13/2009, -3/+60I'm a NRA member and the member of the ACLU. All of our rights need to be zealously protected, whether it be freedom of speech or our right to own firearms.
- bearsandbulls, on 07/12/2009, -48/+103Only idiots have a problem with people exercising their freedoms. Half of the adults in this country own guns. Still many indoctrinated by liberal propaganda think only crazy people own guns and don't understand why it was one of the liberty's included in the constitution. If you don't think many politicians are anti-gun you are not paying attention. But a confiscation of guns is not likely to come first or soon, ammo will likely be taxed until it's unaffordable first.
“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.” - Mahatma Ghandi - cygnus2112, on 07/13/2009, -2/+56Anomaly: Most of the crimes committed using guns aren't by hoarders, collectors, NRA members, or people preaching about the 2nd Amendment. It's usually some kid on the street with a non-registered handgun trying to prove he's bigger than he actually is. No gun law will affect him - only social programs and improving his neighborhood have the slightest chance in changing handgun violence.
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -11/+61We have guns because when seconds count the police are mins away.
- Batfishy, on 07/12/2009, -43/+77"“Are you ready for the tough fight ahead we’re gonna face to keep our freedoms?” said NRA’s Executive Director Wayne LaPierre to a room packed with members in Phoenix. “Because considering what our freedoms are going to be up against we all need to be ready,” he said as people cheered.""
It doesn't take much to make those folks cheer or run out and buy guns, huh? - jameskong15, on 07/13/2009, -25/+59Gun sales are on the rise because Obama and Holder have a clear record of not supporting the second amendment. Calling people who are buying guns now zealots, nutjubs, etc doesn't change the basic facts that support their suspicion of this administration.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 07/13/2009, -11/+43Guns are awesome DESPITE the NRA
- brettg102, on 07/13/2009, -11/+42Owning a gun is not insane. I own a gun for several reasons. First, they are great fun. Secondl to protect myself and mine. I live near the university of cincinnati, crime is high. Thirdly, as a libertarian I feel it important to add to the numbers with weapons, which is also why I have a CCW license. You would all be surprised the number o gun owners out there. We span every demographic. Stop being so closed minded and bigoted.
- NorthMass, on 07/13/2009, -22/+53Obama has shown past support for banning handguns and placing massive excise taxes on guns. How is this fear-mongering to think that he may tighten restrictions on the 2nd amendment?
- Hetman, on 07/13/2009, -4/+34I always knew Obama was a plant by the NRA to increase gun sales. It is all starting to make sense now.
- jiso, on 07/13/2009, -18/+46In Norway you need to:
- Be a member of a gun club for atleast 6 months.
- Not have a criminal record.
Then you can apply for a gun at the police.
I have never understood whats wrong with setting some requierments for owning a gun.
With so many crazy people in the world, do you really want them armed? - dissolutionman, on 07/13/2009, -4/+32Wrong.
- paraforce, on 07/13/2009, -3/+29True. Although it's unfortunate that the ACLU protects all rights except the 2nd amendment.
- Snuff99, on 07/13/2009, -12/+37"...they cling to their guns and religion..."
somebody said that a while back and people got pissed. seems to be spot on. - Dimensio, on 07/13/2009, -12/+34" This is because irrational fears pushed by the NRA and other nutjobs that Obama is going to take away their guns."
Can you provide a reference to a statement released by the National Rifle Association stating that President Obama is going to confiscate currently owned firearms? - casek, on 07/13/2009, -11/+32I support The Gun Owners of America. The NRA are pansy asses who lobby against guns far too much for me to support them. gunowners.org
- johnomaz, on 07/13/2009, -2/+23I would like to consider myself all three of those things, but though I do not own a gun, its not because of those reasons. Frankly, they are expensive. If I owned a gun, I would want to shoot it. Its actually a fun recreation, and where I live, there are several gun ranges around, both indoor and outdoor.
I even have a 3 year old little girl and I would own a gun with her in the house if I could afford it. There are gun locks, gun safes, and many many other ways to keep them safe around children.
Guns aren't dangerous, people who use them inproperly are. Get your hippy ass out of the clouds and think before you speak. - inactive, on 07/13/2009, -2/+23I'm an entire Bill of Rights AND a constitutional zealot.
The 2nd amendment is in there somewhere....like second from the top or something important like that. - Sithlrd, on 07/13/2009, -7/+28If you outlaw guns, then only the outlaws will have guns.
- vizerei, on 07/13/2009, -1/+21Amazingly wrong. But then again, your name is Misinformant.
- mfc5200, on 07/13/2009, -4/+24Did you see what happened in Iran a few weeks ago, or what happened in China last weekend or in Tibet a year ago?
You know, where ONLY the despotic government was armed while the people were left helpless.
The 2nd amendment is there for a good reason, whether you want to believe it or not. - camg188, on 07/13/2009, -2/+21Imagine what it would be like in Iran right now if all of its citizens were allowed to own firearms.
- Dimensio, on 07/13/2009, -0/+18" Only criminals WANT them."
You are again invoking the "poisoning the well" fallacy. Pre-emptively attacking the character of those who do not share your position does not logically validate your position. - SweetDaddyD, on 07/13/2009, -2/+20Now if I could just find some ammo in stock for my 357 Magnum.
I'm serious. Have you looked around lately? My friend and I were going to go to the range. Stopped by a couple shops this weekend to pick up some target ammo and the shelves were practically empty of everything. - costumemaker, on 07/13/2009, -0/+18That is a legitimate benefit to having them, but we have the second amendment for other reasons.
it was originally penned from the example of the Pennsylvania constitution requiring all men aged 18-65 to own and know how to operate a weapon. Several founding fathers like Jefferson were abhorrently against the idea of a standing army during peace time and believed it was the responsibility of the people to form a malitia that was independent of the government.
Lincoln changed that when he began paying the militias with federal money leading to what we know call the reserves. It wiped out the idea of a sovereign military that was independent of the government.
Anyways, point being that in PA, there was a strict militia hierarchy where local leaders reported to county leaders reported to state leaders and Jefferson believed that was the best way to have a regulated militia. However, the wording which required you to be a gun owner had to be watered down because the constitution wasn't about telling people what they could or couldn't do, it was about telling the government what they can't do.
I believe personally that we shouldn't have a standing army during peace time. We spend hundreds of billions on it. If the people are armed, noone is going to invade this country. Look at Switzerland during WWII. They were never touched by Germany. Each household is required to own and know how to operate a firearm. Invading them would be like running into a pack of pitbulls with steak sauce on your neck. It's one thing to have an operable Navy and probably a small air force. But a standing army only serves to do one thing and thats invade other countries and get into the world's business that isn' ours. - snapcase, on 07/13/2009, -6/+24Sorry novenator, but your argument is null. Those guns in poor urban neighborhoods in use by gangs aren't gotten through legal channels. They'd be there with or without more restrictive laws since they're already on the black market.
The NRA doesn't try to push nuts over the edge. And it's not too paranoid to think that the 2nd amendment is going to come under fire once again since we have a president who has shown to be anti-gun in the past. The same thing happened during Clinton's administration, and he actually did pass restrictive gun legislation.
@Anomaly100
Define hoarding please. I'm not saying that to be an ass. I have a lot of guns. I have lots because they have different uses. Some for different types of hunting, some for different types of range shooting, and some because they're collectible or WWII service weapons. But I wouldn't call that hoarding. So at what point does an avid collector become a hoarder? - JUSTINS13, on 07/13/2009, -2/+19the people would take their country back
- veriix, on 07/13/2009, -2/+19You hope for the best but plan for the worst...yeah, that doesn't sound reasonable, responsible or sane at all.
- ashleyfarrow, on 07/13/2009, -2/+19Why I Carry a Gun and Know How to Use It
I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it.. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
"Police Protection" is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime; they investigate the crime after it happens, and then clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take a beating.
http://www.oneilloutside.com/WhyICarryAGun.html - intekra, on 07/13/2009, -3/+19I cling to my guns and atheism.
- drmangrum, on 07/13/2009, -13/+29Buried for using the word "Zealots."
There is nothing wrong with standing up for your rights. - NorthMass, on 07/13/2009, -8/+24novenator - Obama isn't going to confiscate guns, but he has shown past support for basically making us England and banning mostly everything except rifles. This isn't fear-mongering, Obama has shown support in the past for massive taxes being placed on guns, and he has shown support for banning handguns in Illinois.
- Dimensio, on 07/13/2009, -8/+23Such an imposition is entirely unreasonable and irrational, and would accomplish no laudible goal.
- billessig, on 07/13/2009, -3/+18Guns don't kill people. I do.
- insertAliasHere, on 07/13/2009, -2/+16Yes, it's an amazing hypocrisy. For a group that takes firm stands on all other rights to split hairs over the exact wording of an amendment they don't like ...it's just stupid.
- snapcase, on 07/13/2009, -14/+28Don't digg cheddaro down... They're lobbyists for 2nd amendment rights. Lobbyists are what decide the votes as sad as that is, and considering the pressure to revoke our rights to arms, we still have them... for now.
So yeah, there really is a chance that our 2nd amendment rights would not be intact as they are now without the NRA lobbying for it. - SoyoKaze, on 07/13/2009, -4/+18We will be thanking the NRA when the zombie apocalypse begins. Hooah!
- cheddaro, on 07/13/2009, -30/+44If it weren't for the NRA, there is a very real chance that gun ownership would be illegal or at least severely restricted in the US.
- picciano, on 07/13/2009, -3/+17I suspect the "Obama is going to take away our guns" is just a convenient excuse used by those buying guns. It sounds better than "preparing for the collapse of society due to economic collapse, a sudden increase in the spread of swine or avian flu, or a natural disaster."
But I agree, anyone opposed to private gun ownership should not buy a firearm. I have no problem with their decision. But leave my second amendment rights alone, please. - thcobbs, on 07/13/2009, -4/+18"groups whine and cry about their rights being taken away"
Now, lets get hypothetical:
- Would not speak out against someone who, in the past has voted for banning speech that is considered "dangerous"?
- Would you not speak out against a law maker who wants to place high taxes/surcharges and require federal background checks to be able to protest a government action?
- Would you not speak out against having to pay high taxes every time you have a club meeting?
"no one is going to take away the second amendment, it wont happen. these dudes need to give it a rest."
Oh, you mean they won't take it out of the Constitution? Well, that's not what these people are afraid of. They are afraid that with a friendly supreme court(which will happen if Obama stays in office 8 years) and heavily anti-gun congress, and president, there will be massive impediments to gun ownership instated that won't be able to be repealed for decades or more.
I love how if its not the First or Fourth Amendment under a perceived threat, diggers don't seem to give a damn and even go so far as to scoff at people who do care.
And for refernce.... AR15's are far less dangerous than a 9mm handgun... but guess which one would be banned under an "assault weapon ban" like Clinton's? That's right... the one that "LOOKS" mean, no the one that is actually a threat. - Aero347, on 07/13/2009, -4/+17I've gotta agree with you there. This only creates a black market since demand will not go down for firearms.
- Dimensio, on 07/13/2009, -1/+14"Turn on the news on any given day, you idiot. How often do you hear about a gun 'saving the day?' Ok, now how many people were murdered by guns today?"
You are appealing to the "spotlight fallacy". Such a methodology is not a valid means of collecting a data set. I am curious; are you genuinely incapable of rational argumentation, or is your position so devoid of merit that you must dishonestly resort to logical fallacies as a means of supporting it? - lyonsban, on 07/13/2009, -3/+16The word "Liberal" has been corrupted to mean "gimme".
- kemp34, on 07/13/2009, -2/+15Self-defense = virtue.
Aggression = evil.
It does not matter what role one happens to be in, those who commit aggression are in the wrong. - vizerei, on 07/13/2009, -1/+14When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".
Love your country, but never trust its government.
-- Robert A. Heinlein.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
The danger (where there is any) from armed citizens, is only to the *government*, not to *society*; and as long as they have nothing to revenge in the government (which they cannot have while it is in their own hands) there are many advantages in their being accustomed to the use of arms, and no possible disadvantage.
-- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders", 1792-93
America, ***** YA! - NetJunkie, on 07/13/2009, -4/+16This would be a very relevant article...3 months ago. Demand has SHARPLY declined in the gun market. Prices are at or actually lower than pre-election levels. At some point people saw that no ban was being pushed through and they were running out of money to spend. Ammunition is still spotty and higher but getting better every day. Move along, nothing to see here anymore.
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