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- Ysabetwordsmith, on 05/13/2009, -3/+149I am reminded of how, when privacy advocates protest government intrusion, the government says, "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't fear being watched." Well, two can play at that game -- if the government really believes torture is okay, they shouldn't be hiding what they are doing with it. But they KNOW it's wrong, so they are destroying evidence. Which is a whole separate crime, also worth prosecuting.
- numb, on 05/13/2009, -3/+103After submitting this I found a somewhat more detailed article from The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic ...
From the Telegraph article:
"Mr Mohamed, 30, an Ethiopian, was granted refugee status in Britain in 1994. He was picked up in Pakistan in 2002 on suspicion of involvement in terrorism, rendered to Morocco and Afghanistan, tortured and then sent to Guantanamo Bay in 2004. All terror charges against him were dropped last year. "
So, he was kidnapped 7 years ago and all the terror charges against him were dropped after 6 years of being detained. Yet he's still locked up in Gitmo where it sounds like he could very well die. What is the excuse for this? If they don't have any charges against him why can't they let him go? Are they just keeping him locked up so he can't tell people what has been done? This whole thing makes me ill. - joshstone100, on 05/13/2009, -22/+114That's what needs to happen to the war profiteers. And criminals in government who lied to trick America into fraudulent wars.
Too bad the real criminals never see this sort of treatment, huh?
Of course the dedicated government apologists will defend their dear government and claim the victim must have deserved such brutal treatment. They will go out of their way to excuse it, no matter how unjust and inhuman. After all, he is a terrorist! And besides, that's not torture - it is advanced interrogation techniques. We've got a War on Terror to win! The government is promoting freedom and democracy around the world!
That's shill logic for you.
It's no surprise Obama covered up torture crimes. He told the CIA not to worry about it. He is aiding and abetting criminals. He covers up the crimes of the last Administration. He refuses to prosecute the war criminals. What do you expect from a Madison Avenue created fraud? Obama is already a war criminal himself. - richmomz, on 05/14/2009, -5/+82"Take care when fighting monsters, lest you become one yourself." -Nietzsche
- hyderalamgir, on 05/13/2009, -2/+65This seems to indicate that waterboarding's only the tip of the iceberg.
- seaofcheese, on 05/14/2009, -2/+53Waiting to hear Hannity say he would have this done along with the waterboarding!
- PBRbeer, on 05/13/2009, -3/+53If we apply torture of such an extreme nature to these detainees then what exactly sets us apart from these 'savages' we are fighting against? what are we even fighting for?
- inactive, on 05/14/2009, -11/+60they hate us for our freedom
they hate us for our freedom
they hate us for our freedom
they hate us for our freedom
... - joshstone100, on 05/13/2009, -8/+56And Americans wonder why they are hated around the world. They wonder why other nations despise them. Is it really any mystery? They stand idly by and do nothing while the US government gets away with massive crimes. Torture crimes. Wars that kill millions and destroy livelihoods, families and cities. American dupes shrug their shoulders and click the TV remote. After all, if it doesn't affect them, it's not worth caring about.
The US government does all of this in your name. Torture. False imprisonment. Unnecessary wars. The government isn't victims of blowback from their terrorist activities, murderous wars and torture, you Americans are. The American people are. American families are. The American people take the hit for what their government does. They take the blame, at any rate. While the government walks. They get away clean, unscathed. The government has all kinds of protection. While citizens are left to fend for themselves and pay the price of government injustice.
Quite a scam if there ever was. Great thing, that democracy. - kazz67, on 05/13/2009, -2/+45FTA: 'UpdateToday in San Francisco, "a little-publicised court case into the treatment of Mohamed will open" in federal court. Andrew Sullivan notes that "we'll find out if the Obama administration intends to keep the evidence as secret as the Bush administration did."'
Worth keeping an eye on. - kemp34, on 05/13/2009, -0/+42Their attempts to hide the evidence implicates them as GUILTY.
- markf3388, on 05/14/2009, -7/+44Is Hannity going to volunteer to get his genitals sliced??
- asgardshill, on 05/14/2009, -4/+37And the worst part? The next "good" war America finds itself embroiled in will be full of US troops having their junk cut up with scalpels and every form of torture under the sun. Then, when the war ends and the war crimes tribunals start, all the "bad" guys will have to do is point to George W. Bush and 2000-2008. I'd be loathe to advise any young person to join the US military any more, especially if they're deployable. There's simply too much danger of them suffering the most inhumane and unimaginable tortures if they're captured in battle.
- joe8pack, on 05/14/2009, -0/+29He no longer has genitals, his wife keeps them in the family safe next to the King James Bible, and the George Bush autographed Iraqi baby skull.
- dysfunction, on 05/14/2009, -0/+25What war criminals thought *prudent* does not excuse them from the constraints of what is *legal*. Cutting the genitals of a man never even formally accused of a crime, with no chance to plead his case, who was later cleared of all charges- in what possible universe could this not be construed as a war crime? We do not simply shrug off our responsibility to uphold the law when we find it convenient.
- sheeplescareme, on 05/14/2009, -2/+25i think it always has been.
waterboarding has been talked about for years - they have to keep the people focused on something so they don't ask too many questions. - Redge, on 05/14/2009, -0/+22No, they hate you because you don't mind your own business.
- inactive, on 05/14/2009, -1/+22So this is why they don't want to release the pictures, gave CIA agents full immunity from prosecution and destroyed many videos of what they did.
Just how many people died during these "enhanced" interrogation techniques? - joe8pack, on 05/14/2009, -1/+22Can someone remind me why we consider ourselves the "good guys"? Isn't this monstrous behavior exactly what we are supposed to be fighting? Infinite imprisonment without trial and torture that isn't torture because of semantics. Someone wake me from this nightmare.
- MalarkeyPN, on 05/14/2009, -2/+21I have a hard time digging this one. For me, digging something means "cool" or "yay" or "I approve." This time I digg just because it's important to get the word out, but I do it with a nauseous feeling in my gut.
- sheeplescareme, on 05/14/2009, -3/+22criminals in gov't -
isn't that redundant? - shyner, on 05/14/2009, -3/+22I just... I don't even know what the hell to say anymore.
What the *****. - richmomz, on 05/14/2009, -1/+19That much is obvious - Obama is now refusing to release the new prisoner abuse photos so it's safe to assume it's worse than what we've already seen from Abu Grahib.
- askantik, on 05/14/2009, -1/+19And this is just the ***** we KNOW about. Imagine what else is probably going on.
- record200, on 05/14/2009, -0/+18Starting an aggressive war is always a crime.
- Headinawheel, on 05/14/2009, -0/+17The enemy could also claim that US soldiers are "Enemy Combatants" as, in the enemy mind, the soldiers would have no legal jurisdiction in their country.
- zeuslgn, on 05/14/2009, -0/+15Don't worry. The government is working around the clock to deprive us of our freedoms so we won't be hated anymore.
- macfan93, on 05/14/2009, -7/+22Sounds like your average japanese game show.
- scamper22, on 05/14/2009, -0/+14I agree... the government does.
- MalarkeyPN, on 05/14/2009, -0/+13Not necessarily true and also not really the point, now is it?
- inactive, on 05/14/2009, -0/+13I read many years ago that they also induced hypothermia by putting detainees on ice and drugged detainees like Jose Padilla with LSD and PCP.
I feel sorry for the women who were captured by these thugs. - inactive, on 05/14/2009, -2/+15One of the stupidest phrases in recent memory. Why the ***** would people on the other side of the planet give a ***** about my freedoms? "You have freedom, I hate you!". Absurd. If anything they might be jealous.
- asgardshill, on 05/14/2009, -0/+12If Keith Olbermann can find a microtome, perhaps he will.
- Howitzer86, on 05/14/2009, -1/+13I was thinking about that the other day Josh. I was under the impression that protests simply didn't work here for some reason... so why should I bother. Then I decided to ask Google why protests don't work. I don't remember the exact article, but it was on NPR, and basically the problem is mostly because
WE "PROTEST" A SINGLE DAY, PACK UP, AND GO HOME. In the past, we did it for days, weeks even. In other countries the true spirit of the protest continues. But not here. We're not mad enough about anything. We have "too much to loose".
In another country, or another time, you have less to loose... the best protestors are those who feel cornered by the government.
As much as I love Billy Joel's song, "We didn't start the fire", I find that it's a good example of our problematic mind set as a people. Everything that happens, happens 'over there', or (seemingly) has nothing to do with us. Until it does. - record200, on 05/14/2009, -2/+14That's sick
- JulyZerg, on 05/14/2009, -0/+11He's referring to circumcision.
- one1plus1one, on 05/14/2009, -2/+13Irony:
Nietzsche was Hitler's favorite philosopher.
If only he had pondered that one sentence by Nietzsche -- just one sentence -- might have illuminated what he was becoming, and what we are in danger of becoming. - RatatRatR, on 05/14/2009, -0/+11No matter what the U.S. is shown to have done, someone will still haul out this stinking turd about how "they" do worse anyway.
"That innocent Muslim we slowly tortured to death over a six-week period? He would've gotten it SO much worse in his own country!" - richmomz, on 05/14/2009, -1/+11Getting the word out is the best reason to digg something, IMO. You're basically telling people "you NEED to see this" which can be for a variety of reasons (ie: it's cool, interesting, or something that's an enormous threat to our very way of life that needs to get ***** hella fast)
- one1plus1one, on 05/14/2009, -1/+11Well said Ysabetwodsmith, well said.
- SoulGrub, on 05/14/2009, -0/+10Look in the mirror. You are a terrorist by definition if you support this type of torture. Think about that.
- scamper22, on 05/14/2009, -2/+11Give government an inch and it will take a meter.
welcome to reality. For those who don't see constant connections throughout history between central government and totalitarianism... well... ah ***** it... I give up. - askantik, on 05/14/2009, -2/+10All of this ***** is way out of hand. I'm not sure we're going to recover from this-- we've done a lot of ***** up, and half of the ***** hasn't even been declassified yet...
- SoulGrub, on 05/14/2009, -0/+8Let me clarify what you're rambling on about, basically survival is more important than so-called morals. So any means of torture is justified including taking a scalpel to someone's genitals, whether it is Americans doing to others or others doing it to American Soldiers. Anyone who disagrees must be Amish, that about right?
That makes you as dangerous and as out of touch with reality as any islamic fundie as far as I can see. - Apocalyptic0n3, on 05/14/2009, -2/+10I am glad that Gitmo is being shuttered. Even though I get the feeling that the torture will continue elsewhere.
- grovest4life, on 05/14/2009, -0/+8digg me down i fail at reading comprehension.
- joshstone100, on 05/14/2009, -3/+11"Honestly, I don't believe there was any real malice involved in the people who drove the US to war."
Honestly?
Does this sound like somebody who's telling the truth to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhGHxw0mSo
Those who have been listening now know that Condoleeza Rice lied about Bin Laden, claiming to have evidence that he had a hand in 9-11, and that the FBI isn't even looking for him in connection with 9-11. Check their website if you don't think this is the truth!
Just as Nancy Pelosi knew about torture crimes (and lied), the Bush administration knew Iraq posed no threat and had no WMD (and lied). Research the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). That's who was behind the Iraq war.
They play you people like a fiddle. Then you vote them in a second term all over again! Why Americans don't hold these thieves and criminals accountable for their actions is beyond me. Maybe they see a bit of themselves in these people, and find a way to condone it? - smemily, on 05/14/2009, -3/+11What is it with Americans and genital mutilation?
- Delphium226, on 05/14/2009, -0/+7“Americans are asking, 'Why do they hate us?' They hate what we see right here in this chamber: a democratically-elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms – our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.”
President George W. Bush, during an address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American people, United States Capitol, Washington, DC, September 20, 2001. - inactive, on 05/14/2009, -0/+7As a Muslim, we did give a ***** about your freedom. We don't give a ***** about your way of life. Just don't come in our lives.
Thank You. -
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