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- SqueakyWheel, on 10/12/2007, -10/+72Transportation (or the need to own a car for work) is the greatest tax on the poor. We need a lot more spent on mass transit
- yubpro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43I don't know... with record profits, who really would have time to construct more refineries?
Personally, I'd be far too busy counting all my money! "$9,528,097,012... $9,528,097,013... $9,528,097,014..." - Hazardc, on 10/12/2007, -8/+47hurts me a lot having to buy 93+ octane all the time
the only upside is hopefully it will finally help get all the huge SUV's off the road. All they do is make things a lot more dangerous for everyone else trying to do their part.
Dont get me wrong, we have an F-350 diesel, but it gets driven out of necessity when it comes out. Not because dumbass down the street thinks his 17 year old daughter needs a ford excursion to be safe, when she can barely drive a honda civic in a straight line. - strangewill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32@nixonrichard:
I pay about $0 on my car (paid off), and $100 on insurance.
I get 35 mpg city, and yes, $4 is pissing me off. I got a fuel efficient car to be ahead of the game, not barely keep up. - positron, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33Refinery problems? The only problem is they refuse to build more refineries.
- SqueakyWheel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25which is why we need communites planned better with all needs within walking distance.
- chucksmooth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26if you pay for porn you have other problems that need attention
- Hazardc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23What bugs me the most, isn't the price itself, it's the fact that gas dropped down to 1.97 a gallon a few months ago here, now all the sudden we're looking at almost $4?
i can see oil prices going up over time, but the huge drastic swings in prices all the sudden are absolutely ridiculous - 89vision, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I cant wait for Exxon-Mobil to post a 15 billion dollar profit next quarter.
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28u guys drive very cars and walk a lot. We drive V8 SUVs and drive our asses 20 miles a day in traffic to get to work. Might be a bit of a generalisation but that is why we complain so much and you don't.
- VaporBro, on 10/26/2007, -5/+22Nope.
- Hazardc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19yeah superpotential, except that those trains that bring in goods from the sea ports, yep they use plenty of oil.. cargo planes, yep... gas gas gas
the food you eat, dont worry, farming doesnt use fuel for planting, harvesting, taking to the mill, shipping to companies, and then shipping to the store.
what do you suggest rural americans to do? they gonna have a bus route out on 120948 county road J? maybe a subway? - smartmlp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@dawg109
I doubt you have V4, you probably mean L4 or I4. - ksosez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17"Refinery problems"?
We in California remember "power plant problems" during the blackouts when Enron bent CA over a barrel.
Why does this sound familiar? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14How... precise.
- strangewill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Already explained, plus I'll point out that most of that is in taxes, which are funded back into the system, not profits, AND minimum wage in most of those countries is higher than ours.
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18edit...very *small* i meant...sry bout that
- mrfreeziexp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15For some reason this makes digg mad, but the presidential candidate that promises to get tough on big oil, is the one that I will vote for.
- Brasky, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16V4...? WTF cars are you driving. Know half of what you are talking about before speaking...
- etmori, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13If yoda was a programmer, this would be his code.
- OverlordMC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@ StrangeWill
you think 35mpg is fuel efficient? Try ~50mpg on turbo diesel cars. Too bad they don't sell them in the states.. - greenlight2001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I remember in high school (late 90's), I was paying 87 cents a gallon for regular.... *sigh* the good ol' days. 17 bucks to fill up my 1988 Lincoln Towncar!
- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13that's a bright side? Why weren't you going faster than 70?
- butchog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12come to san francisco, its already $4/gal for REGULAR.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17What we need is a tiered gas market.
***** morons with W stickers on the bumper of their gas guzzling suv(s)
that happen to get less than 30 mpg should pay a set price of $8 a gallon for gas.
Everybody else pays $2.00. Gas supplies would increase exponentially. - brwright, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"Stupid Americans always whining. I know most of it is tax here in the UK but we still pay over US$6 per gallon for our petrol and there's nothing we can do about it (no political party stands for the reduction of tax on fuel).
So, when it gets to that kind of price, then you complain but until then you've got it very, very good."
Americans have dental expenses though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15by the way, in response to "what do you suggest rural americans to do? they gonna have a bus route out on 120948 county road J? maybe a subway?"
i'd like you to consider that much of the world outside the USA has mass transit systems in rural areas (whether on-call or regularly serviced). I once lived in the middle of the black forest in Germany, about as rural as you can get (think Kansas or something) and there were still regular hourly buses to a train station, from where I could catch direct, high-speed ICE trains to Stuttgart, Zurich, and Milan, all major cities. Almost every town also had a train station, even if the town had just a couple of thousand people in it. Yes, it can work. It works there because it is inherently cultural in that part of Europe to save the environment in every way possible, and people do it because it's their nature.
In the USA, that's unfortuantely not the case, but perhaps the economy can fix that. for example, if people see gas prices shoot up like crazy, and then see a proposal for high-speed frequent trains to places they wish to frequently go, and that those transit systems will cost much, much less to use than gas and a car, people might vote for it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Except for Venezuela. 19 cent bastards.
- strangewill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Who defines constants on the left side...?
Anyone else bothered by that? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12sorry for the comment spam
i just want to also illustrate how well-linked the train systems of the rest of the world are. Go to the German railway site:
http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en?ld=212.26&newrequest=yes&
and plug in London to Beijing. It'll tell you how to do the trip entirely by train. Even more surprising, is that you only need to change trains 3 times. You can't buy long-distance international tickets on this site, but it shows you at least how well-connected the world is. It has all kinds of rural locations in Germany as well, and it will pretty much give you a public transportation solution to get from anywhere to anywhere in Germany at least. For other countries, they have their respective sites that catalog rural public transport.
If you want an example of how public transport works OUTSIDE of large cities, type 'Sulgen Rose' to 'Bacharach' to get a public transportation link from the middle of nowhere in the Black Forest to the middle of nowhere to a small village in the Rhine Valley, both about as rural as it gets. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@hazardc
mass transit systems, trains, and buses use _orders of magnitude_ less gas than cars per person. the reason for this is that most of the weight that the car is transporting is the car itself, and when there is just one person in this huge car, a senseless amount of energy is used to transport that person. in addition, mass transit systems such as trains actually consume a very little amount of energy to run due to low friction, space-consuming but efficient engines built into the large vehicles, and other improvements. furthermore, mass transit can more easily and efficiently be run off future renewable energy sources fed directly into their power grids.
@strangewill
other countries already generally gave excellent mass transit systems. the only reason why the US doesn't have it (including high-speed trains) is because there is no demand for it, thus no funding for it. what i am hoping for is that high gas prices will cause the US population to begin supporting mass transit for what it's worth already, feeding more revenue into the mass transit systems of the country, allowing to develop better and better over time. what i don't want to see is that gas prices don't rise for a long time, people continue to use cars, and then all of a sudden the gas prices skyrocket, destroying the transportation capabilities of much of the nation in one go. - PrivateGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I've already bought one of those stand up scooters to ride 13 miles to work on. I just wish I had my own road to ride on.
- strangewill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@superpotential:
Great idea and all, but we need a quality mass transit system in place first. - david76, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11A large portion of the problem are all the varieties of gasoline which must be produced throughout the United States. Requirements for fuel blends vary by state, and season resulting in 40 different formulations.
If the regulations were more standardized, there would be a considerable savings for the consumer. - Nerfdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10get ready? when i was out in california for the digg million user party, i paid over 5 a gallon on the PCH.
- Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I was just thinking, down here in southern california it's 3.99 a gallon for premium in some places. Regular is right behind that. $4 a gallon is not unthinkable. Nor is it the end of the world.
Bicycles get great gas mileage. I think I average about .2 fpm. Sometimes that's higher depending on if i'm using mexican fuel or not. - Motocompo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Sorry, but I drive a moped (Honda Elite 150 Deluxe)
I don't see gas prices all to much when fillup's are roughly $4-5 :D - Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9you mean get ready for /more/ record profits in the oil industry.
- pedstrom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I, an american, am all for it. I'd actually like to see it at $10/gallon like the UK. Sure there are problems with bumping up the price too fast, but it would be good to see some real financial incentive to 1) develop mass transit 2) get fuel efficient vehicles passed all the politics and into the market and 3) get people to stop buying hummers they use to commute to work every day on smooth paved highways.
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+94 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 1.29 Australian dollars per litre.
- andrgo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18Gas prices under...
Clinton: $0.98 (I remember it specifically.)
Bush: $3.10 (of course that's not half as bad as the Katrina records.)
***** Republican-owned oil companies are gouging us and they know it. I don't buy any of the "a refinery burned" or "there's a shortage" *****. In 2006 they made financial records, obviously they're going to try to aim for MORE money this year than they got last year. - joeydoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The "distance from work" argument doesn't work. In the UK (or anywhere round the world) there is a limit of "time to travel" in the morning which means that no one is realistically going to live much further than a certain distance. For example there are millions of people who live outside greater London.... one of the biggest cities in the world... because it's expensive to buy houses within London. They drive 100 miles a day just driving into the centre and then driving home at night. That is extremely common.
- absurdist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@alterjinga
"I don't want another oil refinery and I don't want a Nuclear Planet ( Bomb ) built anywhere."
I suggest you pull your head out of your ass and look at nuclear reactor designs since approximately 1990. if you want to try to tell me that pebble reactors have the potential to be a bomb, I'm going to simply laugh until you go away. - Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -14/+21Why do Americans always harp on about how bad their petrol prices are? You've got it relativity cheap compared to a lot of countries. These are kinda old stats, but they still prove my point.
"Gas prices on April 17 or 18. Data for EU countries were provided by the AA Motoring Trust. Prices are listed in U.S. dollars
United Kingdom $8.37
Netherlands $7.52
Norway $7.33
Belgium $6.95
Denmark $6.95
Germany $6.72
Portugal $6.65
Finland $6.57
France $6.50
Sweden $6.50
Hungary $5.63
Poland $5.63
Slovakia $5.59
Austria $5.40
Ireland $5.40
Slovenia $5.36
Switzerland $5.17
Spain $5.14
Czech Republic $5.10
Greece $4.91
Italy $4.80
Lithuania $4.72
Latvia $4.61
Estonia $4.30
Luxembourg $4.27
Japan $4.16
United States $2.88
Kazakhstan $2.75
Russia $2.68
Mexico $2.38
China $2.19
Nigeria $1.92
Saudi Arabia $0.45
Venezuela $0.19 "
Now, can you please stop acting like your so hard done by,? People in FAR poorer countries are paying more then you are. - andrgo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I really like how the gas price quadruples in four years, yet it took them ten+ years to raise the minimum wage.
Gas isn't the only thing that has gone up; food, real estate, and vehicles have too. Wages are the only things that have stayed the same (unless you're a crooked CEO or politician, then they go up of course.) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I already pay 4.2737299222 CAD
- thealliedhacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is terrible code >_>
- 5xSTUN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I love the gas price increases.
I hope it goes up to ten bucks a gallon.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get some sense knocked into our heads when we start spending half our take-home pay on gas, and we'll stop electing crooked politicians who live to serve the even more crooked fossil fuel industry. - TheShadowKnows, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This is just the gasoline equivalent of the electricity market rigging we saw with Enron.
There was an oil industry report in the late 90's (I'll see if I can find it, can't right now) that essentially said "we'll never be able to raise prices unless we reduce refinery capacity." Soon after that refinery capacity - just coincidentally, of course - decreased dramatically through a wave of "maintenance" "upgrades" and "repairs."
Now everyone in the U.S. is Enron's "Grandma Millie." - scairborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@T0ny
Who cares.
Dude, what the hell? Who cares you helped fill up a P-40? Seriously, like its a freakin task to fill up an aircraft (don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about). -
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