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German Muslims Seething at Carnival Parade

littlegreenfootballs.com — During this year ’s carnival parades in Germany (originally a Roman Catholic tradition), some of the contestants in the float competition decided to depart from the standard bashing of Bush, America, and German politicians, and built a float that has the German Islamic front groups seething with rage

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  • kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -14/+120f-em if they cant take a float.
    • Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -63/+22I wonder what happens when you have a float with a swastika on it? Oh right.. you go to jail. It's nice to see they can poke fun at everyone in the world but themselves.
    • AlwaysDuggDown, on 10/12/2007, -9/+84The story is that major wire services did not publish pictures of the float that would "insult Islam"....but had no problem publishing pictures of the other, equally offensive (to some) floats.
    • daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -31/+19aren't germans afraid to criticize israel to not be called nazis?
    • Daiken, on 10/19/2007, -73/+21I'm sorry but I dunno how anyone can digg a story from a site like littlegreenfootballs. What a biased, politically motivated, fear inducing hunk of crap. Most of the stories are clearly trying to demonize Islam.
    • Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -21/+125How dare you suggest Islam is not peaceful!? We'll kill you!
    • affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -11/+72Alright I'm a Muslim and am totally against these crazy people and I also know a bunch of educated Muslim Imam/Sheiks/Leader who support my opinion of why these extremist are crazy. These wackos have basically hijacked Islam and screwed it up for the rest of the moderate non-violent Muslims around the world, the moderate ones are barely getting any media attention its just these retarded extremist.
      (Tom don't worry i still gotta get back at you)
    • catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -29/+91"I'm sorry but I dunno how anyone can digg a story from a site like littlegreenfootballs."

      You just don't like them because they broke the Dan Rather/forged documents story. They were right, weren't they? Same with drudgereport, they broke the monica lewinski story and now they are "untrustworthy". We see articles from thinkprogress up here every day, but I suppose they are ok since they conform to your world-view.
    • povofsky, on 10/12/2007, -20/+15Maybe this has something to do with Germany's large proportion of Turkish immigrants, who are usually moderate Muslims and don't have any militant groups similar to Hamas and aren't known to participate in Al Qaeda. Though these floats are probably a critique of international Islamism, they may be construed by the local Turks as directed towards them.
    • RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/12/2007, -17/+38funny how just a statement by ONE person that he was offended by the floats was made into "GERMAN MUSLIMS..."

      ***** ridiculous.
    • Junn168, on 10/12/2007, -44/+56Hey Muslims SHUT UP OR GET OUT. If you don't want us calling Islam violent or evil, then tell your relatives in the middle east to stop being terrorists scumbags.
    • EndofEternity, on 10/12/2007, -39/+4@catalysis

      The Monica Levinski story? What story? The one about Clinton getting a blowjob? WTF, I don't see how anyone can care about something like that. It's his business if doesn't want Hillary to give him blowjobs. Seriously what's your point? Why would anyone (let alone liberal - as I understand you where referring to liberals in your post) not trust a news source (drudgereport might be ***** up tho, I don't know) because it mentioned Clinton getting a blowjob? How is this relevant to anything.

      I don't understand how some people can compare getting a blowjob to something like starting a war. It's crazy!
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -46/+8Littlegreenfootballs? I thought Digg was for news not fearmongering and propaganda..
    • sparks2, on 10/12/2007, -35/+19"Hey Muslims SHUT UP OR GET OUT. If you don't want us calling Islam violent or evil, then tell your relatives in the middle east to stop being terrorists scumbags."

      Huh? "relatives in the middle east"? There are so many things wrong with that post that i'll simply call you out on it and digg you down...

      The islam-bashing is at a new high on digg...
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -4/+53Gee, that "cliche" caricature on that float looks awfully familiar. . .

      Compare:
      http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070219DusseldorfFloat01.jpg

      http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42093000/jpg/_42093952_kashmir-ap416.jpg

      Pretty accurate caricature, I'd say.
    • Junn168, on 10/12/2007, -13/+22@sparks2

      Relatives, friends, family, whatever....it doesn't matter what term i use. My point is only Muslims in the West can tell their fellow Muslim who are living in the middle east to renounce violence and stop believe the crap that their religious leaders feed them: That the West wants to destroy Islam.
    • Ryland, on 10/12/2007, -25/+6@catalysis: "We see articles from thinkprogress up here every day, but I suppose they are ok since they conform to your world-view."

      That's just it, thinkprogress publishes articles. LGF is just a blog, all they publish is a link and maybe some snarky commentary. Why not just link to the news article directly?
    • bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52The Cliche: Seething with rage over everything
      The Reality: Seething with rage over everything
    • karmic, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34Ryland - They don't link to the article directly because IT OMITS the actual photo. That IS THE STORY. So LGF isn't "just a blog" - it is, in fact, reporting original news in a context you cannot find on the wires or even at thinkprogress. These organizations don't tell the whole story, so linking them as the source is like linking to a vacuum - nothing there.
    • returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -39/+7Out of curiosity how many of you redneck hillbillies have ever met a seething Muslim, let alone a Muslim? I take it all your going on is the images you see on TV.

      I say it's time to give the South back to Mexico. ***** racist, ignorant Southern trash. Bunch of clueless ***** that can't differentiate between news and propoganda.
    • DesScorp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27"Out of curiosity how many of you redneck hillbillies have ever met a seething Muslim, let alone a Muslim? "

      At least as many as you bedwetting moonbats :)
    • rsdouglas, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4"funny how just a statement by ONE person that he was offended by the floats was made into "GERMAN MUSLIMS..."

      ***** ridiculous."

      I couldn't agree more. Its kind of scary how so many of digg's users make sweeping generalizations when it comes to Islam / Muslims...

      An example: "Muslims need to realize they are backing a violent religion, the entire world knows it and is getting increasingly pissed off with it." Who the ***** are you to say what "the entire world knows" and put your opinions of a religion forward as fact. Bleh. I need to stop reading the comments on these articles, the rampant stupidity is just too annoying.
    • PersianAli, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Damning Islam is simply about criticising an idea. If believers of this nonsense get offended, then they should not believe in this rubbish to begin with.
    • marvy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"It's nice to see they can poke fun at everyone in the world but themselves."
      Dude, I WENT to the ***** parade: 90% of it is making fun of Germany and its politicians. I'd like to know which country you're from, because I doubt a country in the world exists that is more critical of its government than Germany.
  • Bridgetown, on 10/12/2007, -15/+124When are they NOT seething with rage?
    This isn't news.
    • xrisnothing, on 10/12/2007, -16/+49Probably in that brief moment after they've hit the detonator switch and just before the bomb goes off. You can only imagine what kind of peace that must bring to a soul, if only for one fleeting moment.
    • JangoFett, on 10/12/2007, -8/+72If I wasn't allowed to eat pork, drink alcohol, or look at scantily clad women, I'd be pissed all the time too.
    • RomeyRome, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22You can't even beat it to a rock that resembles a woman.
    • caspy7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Sweet!
      I've been looking for a name for my band.

      *Seething With Rage* it is!

      The anger ridden heavy metal scene are sure to welcome us with arms wide open.
      The extremist Muslim community will, however, continue to seethe with rage at our pro float lyrics.
    • wtharvey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I'm gonna call my band "Beat it to a Rock That Resembles a Woman"...
  • Hensworth, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30I wouldnt doubt whomever allowed that float to go on will be jailed soon, since it happened in Germany where people are jailed over silly things.
    • jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Like being Jewish
      • Reci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0Actually you have it all wrong. You are thinking of Isreal. There you get detained and jailed for not being Jewish.
    • marvy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Uhm, really? I'd like to know where you got that idea from...
  • RadicalRon, on 10/12/2007, -14/+60Seethe on, Death Cult, seethe on.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -40/+4Who's the death cult?

    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -43/+7Being dugg down? how bout answering my question instead? who is the death cult being referred to? I honestly don't know, are you saying that all of Islam is a death cult? cause Christianity and Judaism has caused its fair share as well.
      and remember, just because 2% or so of people or fanatics does not mean the whole religion believes that. Unless you wanna say Christianity is a death cult as well.
      We are a "Christian" country but average a war every 10 years or so.
      I remember in church growing up hearing alot of things that sounded very culture of deathish.

      To all the Christians who agree that Islam is obsessed with death...
      You shouldn't judge the splinter in your neighbors eye when you have a plank in your own.
      I read that in an interesting book once
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -35/+4You know Christians don't listen to THAT book.. It's just for decorative purposes and use as a bludgeoning weapon.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -35/+2Dont forget its also good for memorizing small bits to take out of context and use for justification of personal biases =)

      maybe I should quote a purpose driven life, more Christians probably read that then the Bible.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -31/+1Wow, so no replies just digg downs?
      guess it was stupid of me to ask a question to bigots, they don't usually do well at reasoning.

    • karmic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41I'll take the bait.

      Death Cult- that refers to the branch of a religion that espouses such ideas as "we love death more than you love life." Google that and you will find many Imams and Sheiks who have said it. The term also refers to that branch of said religion that CURRENTLY engages in suicide bombings of civilian targets with the explicit purpose of spreading the religion through intimidation.

      Sound like a cult bent on death to you? Were any such religious entity running around doing such things, would you condemn it or praise it?

      As for the "christians, jews, zorastrians, jehovas, menonites, [insert religion here] are worse" argument, it doesn't wash. We aren't talking about what happened 300 or 400 years ago. We are in the now. And right now there is a Death Cult within Islam.

      As for the "not all Muslims are terrorists" I can't agree more. But, as many Muslims have said, it is very sad that almost all terrorists at this point in history are Muslim.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -18/+0Thank you for finally answering, I honestly didn't know if the original post was referring to all Muslims or just a minority
      and of course I condemn it, I just remember growing up in a fundamentalist church and there is alot of talk that goes on in there that sounds very death cultish.
      Full disclosure: I am religious and often have to stick up for christians on these pages so I'm not A Richard Dawkins, religion is evil guy, (I hate Dawkins)
      I just don't like hypocrisy. (Read verse I quoted above.

      "And right now there is a Death Cult within Islam." Just don't forget the one in Christianity also...
      "The long term goal [is] the execution of abortionists and parents who hire them." -Gary Demar

      "I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation.We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country" -Randall Terry

      "When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed." -Randall Terry

      ""Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death." -Fred Phelps

      need I go on?
      also you say "almost all terrorists at this point in history are Muslim." umm, I have to disagree with you there, IRA, Tamil Tigers?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations
    • karmic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28"It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims." - Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al- Arabiya news channel.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse605.xml

      Read it. He pulls no punches.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -18/+2I've read it,
      still doesn't mean what he's saying is right, I just posted a link to a list of dozens of non Muslim terrorist groups.
      Rather then refuting that with someones opinion please give me some facts, maybe a percentage of terrorist actions that are done by Muslims, with a source?
      otherwise we can play the this guy said, but this guy said game forever
    • baileyntx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16nestafett:

      It is important to remember that Muslim terrorists are doing killing people FOR their religion...for Allah. How many Christians are going around killing others FOR Christianity? Many such as you always turn back to Christian history for your examples...like that somehow justifies Muslims for killing in the here and now. If it was wrong for Christians to fight for Christianity then then surely it is wrong for Muslims to be killing for Islam now. Follow through with your principles.
      Many, many countries are dealing with Muslim terrorists on some level or another. Can you say the same about Christian terrorists? Where are the terrorist Christian individuals that are yelling 'Hail Jesus!" before blowing people up?

      Just to list a few in recent years.....

      Somalia - Nigeria - Yemen - Palestine - Pakistan - India - Indonesia - Malaysia - Thailand - France - Britain - Belgium - Netherlands - Spain - Russia - USA


    • Seraphym, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ nestafet:

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

      Your one-stop shop for a pretty up-to-date list of Muslim-induced attacks around the world.

      But, yeah, you're right, it's hard to condemn them for these heinous actions. After all, they're only following good ol' Mo's teachings (and a lifetime of bigoted and hateful upbringing). They even dedicate their murders to Allah! Surely that must guarantee they are, in fact, the righteous ones.
      /sarcasm

      I'm becoming more and more convinced, after reading many, many passeges and large sections of the Qur'an, the Haddith and the Sunnah, and aided by the preachings of top clerics from all over Islam's cradle, that the "radicals" in Islam are actually the ones who have turned to integration, democracy and Enlightenment thinking, and live successfully in non-Muslim societies around the world - akin to the Protestants in Europe being the "radicals" from the strict dogma of the Catholic Church at the time. The difference is, the Catholics didn't have ANY religious texts teaching that murder of innocents was the blessed path to heaven - that was done with edicts and speeches by the politics of the Popes (who were both religious and highly-political figures at that time).

      To stop you from using the Crusades as a poor counterpoint, I hope everyone can agree that promoting such actions in the name of Christianity were a blasphemy and abandonment of Christian values.

      The big question is, who will prevail? I'm truly hoping that it's the proponents of Enlightened Islam... but until they stand up and actually pick a side (their silence is construed by an already-wary western public as condonement of Islamist-fascist ideologies), they will continue to be lumped into the same bucket by those who are already engaged in the great struggle of our times.
  • embeekay, on 10/12/2007, -14/+47floats critizing george bush AND the mullahs - well that's not fair!! [sayeth the muslimes]

    EVERYTHING must be america bad, israel bad, democratic civilization bad!

    EVERYTHING must be islam good, killing children very good, killing anyone we say - best.

    NOT.
    • saikhan, on 10/12/2007, -43/+6Everything must be incoherent sentences and sweeping generalizations GOOD! Ignorance-BEST!!!

      Everything tolerance and understanding BAD!

      NOT.
    • Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -37/+3The difference is, George Bush doesn't represent Americans.
      Those floats are presumably making the statement that all or the majority of Muslims (which means 'arabs' to the ignorant) are crazed violent extremists.

      I mean, what the *****, people, don't you have any Muslim friends? They're like some of the nicest people I know.
      I'm far less frightened of this specter of 'forced Sharia law' than I am of a bunch of right-wing politicians restricting rights based on fake terror, and their Brownshirt supplicants singling out minorities with blunt weapons.
    • bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -19/+7It's "old men who get young men to murder in their name" = bad

      The old men in the US are no different to the old men in the middle east in my eyes.. its repulsive.
    • fufubag, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26silencer7 said:

      "The difference is, George Bush doesn't represent Americans."

      Are you serious? George Bush is, unfortunately, the most representative person in all of America. He is our elected leader. Why do people talk/type when they have no clue what they are talking about?

      "I mean, what the *****, people, don't you have any Muslim friends? They're like some of the nicest people I know."

      Talk about sweeping generalizations...... hypocrite.

      "I'm far less frightened of this specter of 'forced Sharia law' than I am of a bunch of right-wing politicians restricting rights based on fake terror"

      While there are definitely problems with our right-wing political extremist friends.... I would rather be fighting them in a civilized legal/political battle than wondering who is gonna blow up my daughter for wearing jeans.....

      "and their Brownshirt supplicants singling out minorities with blunt weapons."

      sources?
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2hmm... we can always count on this kind of situation to bring out people with false senses of outrage.

      The fact of this matter is that people who are in Islam are people: some are good people, some are bad people. Enough people here have met enough of both that it's apparent that there's no "universal truth" that can be applied to the entire group... which makes sense, because it's a pretty freaking large group. So let's all stop pretending to be outraged by the "hypocracy" of labeling and just quit it on both sides. 90% of the people on this board have made sweeping generalizations, including myself and everyone in this sub-thread. So let's not pretend to get all butt hurt about one person making a generalization. if we do that, perhaps we can get on to having some serious discussion.

    • AnotherBrian, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3George Bush is viewed by the rest of the world as an accurate representation of America in the same way as the violent fundamentalists are viewed as an accurate representation of Islam. In both cases the people allowed them to rise to the top and represent them. Therefor it is the responsibility of these same people to remove these figureheads if they feel they are being wrongly judged by the rest of the world for their actions.
    • baileyntx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14silencer7:

      Everyone knows that it is not the majority of Muslims...but if one is paying attention to events around the world it IS a significant number of Muslims that do commit terrorists acts or at the very least agree with those that do.

      My brother-in-law is Muslim...and I love him dearly, however I do not let that blind me to the truth.

      Islam should be open to criticism, sarcasm and parody just as Christianity and other faiths are. They should not be given a 'pass'

      You are either very ignorant or naive to be more frightened of a 'bunch of right-wing politicians restricting rights' rather than Sharia law...unless of course, you are Muslim yourself.

      Ayatollah Khomeini didn't say, 'There is no fun in Islam' for nothing

      There is no music in Islam
      You can't drink alcohol in Islam
      No gambling in Islam
      A woman who is raped has to have FOUR MALE witnesses
      They stone women for adultery....and it is adultery if they don't have those witnesses!
      You can be thrown in jail (if you are lucky-death is the rule) for blasphemy against Mohammed
      Death is the ruling for anyone converting from Islam to any other religion

      Now...does that mean all Muslims practice these rules? No...but many Muslim countries do! Just yesterday I read that the Malaysian RELIGIOUS police plan to recruit spys to try and catch un-Islamic behavior, such as unmarried couples kissing or HOLDING HANDS!
      http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21256605-1702,00.html

      If that kind of world is preferable to you than a right winged politician listening to your overseas phone call to Pakistan...then go there where you will feel more at home and comfortable.
  • baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36if it walks like a duck & if it quacks like a duck...
    • xrisnothing, on 10/12/2007, -13/+26it could be a goose

      or a chicken in disguise

      or a robot duck

    • 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11or a robot chicken
    • RomeyRome, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Or a duck pretending to be a goose or a [robot]chicken.
    • appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30

      " I'm far less frightened of this specter of 'forced Sharia law' than I am of a bunch of right-wing politicians restricting rights based on fake terror, and their Brownshirt supplicants singling out minorities with blunt weapons"

      We wouldn't have any need for The Patriot Act and NSA if 19 men didn't decide to use the Twin Towers and the Pentagon for target practice.

      Sept 10, asleep.
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4I don't think we have a need for the Patriot Act at all. Nothing is worth that much removal of personal freedom. Who was it that said "Give me Liberty or Give me Death?" Oh, and there was this other guy, he said "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither and will surely lose both."

      Oh... Patrick Henry and Ben Franklin... our forefathers. Liberty >> Freedom is a founding principle on which this country was formed. In fact, the Declaration of Independance suggests in no uncertain terms the need for revolution when Liberty is violated.

      On a side note, another interesting quote by a forefather.

      "Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

      This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but in those of the popular form it is seen in its greatest rankness and is truly their worst enemy....

      It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."

      That was George Washington, in his farewell address. Political parties, and the polarization of Americans into two political parties, is what I attribute in near entirety to this mess. Neither major party can see that both freedom and security are desired, freedom being the most important of all. Americans feel compelled to join one or the other party, but neither represent this viewpoint at all... so we come to today, where no one in mainstream politics will stand against such shameful violations of our most basic civil liberties.

      If I were to be killed by a terrorist, yet I was free to then, a glad and free man I would have died. If I live to an old age, protected by terrorists at the cost of my liberties, then I should be ashamed at my willingness to sacrifice the meaning of life in order to preserve the barest definition of it.

      Anyways, that's how I feel on this subject.
    • thehankholmes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@edgarverona Nothing is worth that much removal of personal freedom.

      Please list the personal freedoms that the Patriot Act has removed from you.
  • saikhan, on 10/19/2007, -30/+20I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but personally, I take offense to these floats(as a non-muslim). There is no need to be spreading such generalizations of other religions, cultures, and countries as these people have done during a religious holiday that is supposed to mark a time of fun and indulgence before lint. Why is it necessary to corrupt the lax atmosphere and joyous occasion by inserting political messages and inciting anger amongst fellow countrymen? There is a time and place for political provocation and discourse but carnival isn't either of those.
    • fasda, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26But that was the entire point of the parade and has been since the beginning of Carnival.
    • ricree, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33@saikhan
      Good points, but I think that what most people take offense to is the idea that it is fine to insult some groups as much as you want, but there are other groups that are off limits. If you disagree to this sort of thing on general principle, that is all well and good. It really becomes a problem once you start selectively applying your principles.
    • rolf, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20If we can't laugh at everyone, including ourselves, what hope is there in the world?

      Stop being so god damned serious.
    • EndofEternity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Why shouldn't you criticize, satirize or plain insult religions? I mean religion is something you choose to be a part of, it's not like you have to make religion a significant part of your life. Organized religion should be treated like any other organizations, no exceptions.

      Would you care if someone made a float insulting some company (even if you were working for that company), it's no big deal, some people choose to make a big deal out of it, but that's their problem.

      PS The float parade is known for being 'non-standard', so its not like Islam was singled out.
    • dori, on 10/12/2007, -18/+4To rolf

      The fact is, this is serious. Doesn't seem quite so serious when you're sitting on your fat butt all day doing nothing but reading about people dying, but maybe if it happened to you or someone you know, you would change your mind.

      To saikhan

      Good points. I like that you are willing to be reasonable and serious when everyone else is acting like immature children.
    • ricree, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18@dori

      ***** they are. The fact that some people believe differently than you do does not make them "immature children." While there certainly are people here being immature, there are also plenty of people who simply believe that parody is a perfectly healthy and natural way to react in some circumstances. Obviously, you prefer to react differently, but that does not make it the only valid way to react.
    • xXAzraelXx, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2The day was meant to be about god (universal love) not about the slow slip towards a fourth reich (where once again mankind uses the excuse of being the favoured of god to kill other, weaker less favoured of god peoples).
      Hello, a great saying goeseth liketh so "the truth comes out in jest". And being an easy target sets you up for a massive counter attack, which sets you up as a bigger target and so on and so forth and martial law ensues. Shame on germany for forgetting it's past weaknesses and calling its ignorance harmless fun. SHAME.
    • sanwin25, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2With a nick Saikhan, it's a bit of a stretch for you to claim you are not a moslem.
  • Jimmymac1000, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070219DusseldorfFloat01.jpg

    The mullah on the right is labeled “the cliché,” and the one on the left, “the reality.”
    • xrisnothing, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15The one on the right is labeled "klischee" and the one on the left is labeled "wirklichkeit."
    • emiles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Wow - why is he getting dugg down? He's just linking to the main point of the article.
    • MasterFunk, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Personally, I think that float is wrong, and I never found those cartoons offensive from a few months back. Now granted they do have freedom of speech and all, but that float, but only that float, seems to have real teeth. To say a cliche of the Muslim people is always true is just plain wrong, hell personally I didn't think it was a cliche at all, just because of the outlandish level of the statement to begin with. Also remember freedom of speech goes both ways, and people have every right to be pissed at what every they want. But no one should be arrested.
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Here's a nice portrait of a Muslim man to dispell that cliché: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42093000/jpg/_42093952_kashmir-ap416.jpg
  • BayouBengal, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23Some people are just too sensitive. You don't see any American ex-Pats or American military personal stationed in Germany getting all bent out of shape. Those floats are making a valid commentary on American and a valid commentary on Islam.
  • FLLaw33870, on 10/12/2007, -12/+24Evil is never happy when truth is spoken...even in a simple display as this float.

    We need to stop being tolerant of Islam for Islam is evil and tolerance of evil is a crime.

    Don't take my word about Islam being evil but read the Quran as I have AND see what is going on in this world and who is creating the greatest violent acts. Also see what religion is the most intimidating???? It isn't Judism or Christianity.
    • gboodhoo, on 10/12/2007, -28/+4despite your singling out a single one of these pathological states, I'd argue all 3 of these so-called religions are equally degrading and equally dangerous.
    • ricree, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21@gboodhoo

      "I'd argue all 3 of these so-called religions are equally degrading and equally dangerous"

      Then go ahead and do so. While there are certainly things that can be said against all three, I don't see how you can say that they are equally dangerous without seriously stretching the point. While Islam may not be more dangerous in and of itself(which is arguable), it is still clear that the current state of the religion has large elements that have become significantly more violent and fanatical than the other two religions.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -16/+0bye what standards do you apply the word evil?

      http://atheism.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=atheism&cdn=religion&tm=8&f=00&tt=14&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.skepticism.info/quotes/archives/christian_extremism_index.shtml
    • AnotherBrian, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1gboodhoo is quite correct. Remember the Inquisition done by the Christians? Islam is currently in it's "Inquisition" phase, Christianity and Judaism aren't, that's why they seem so peaceful in compression.
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2How is this getting dug up? It's the most infantile comment I think I've yet seen on Digg.

      Evil is never happy when truth is spoken?

      So tell me, how do you distinguish that kind of situation from one when, say, someone is justifiably angry because someone spoke a lie about them? And how can you tell that this is the former situation over the latter?

      If I were you, I'd read the Old Testament, the foundation of all three religions. There's enough commands for violence, hatred, and silencing of those that oppose you to make you blush... well, to make any sane person blush with anger at least. You should definately take a look at that before you compare the root texts of one religion as being "more evil" than another.
  • genesisblue, on 10/12/2007, -17/+13Boo hoo. Dry your tears with that rag on your head, terrorist.
  • orangery, on 10/12/2007, -20/+15to all ya muslims out there... GTFO.
    • neptunebk, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Blocked.
    • emiles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Ok, wow so we're trying to have an actual discussion here. Wait, this is digg, nevermind.
  • cptshamrock, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23notice how the world doesnt take notice until its about muslims. when they were just bashing america no american took notice.
    • Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1because when you bash America we don't storm embassies, burn businesses and kill people.
  • reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -24/+7Littlegreenfootballs? Seriously?
    • baileyntx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6LGF posts links to main stream articles. If this was posted on Daily Kos...would you have a problem with it???

      Read the articles and not the comments...which is what I do. I want a source to keep up with Islamic activities around the globe and LGF provides that.


  • sekhui, on 10/12/2007, -17/+18***** religion.
    • xgirl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Oooh!! Ooooh!! Is there a ***** religion? Can I join?
    • Reci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0No *****, what the ***** is it good for.
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5Hurrah for generalizations!
    • Donald2007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I think that you are generalizing :-)
  • syko21, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Seriously oversensitive. Every group on the face of the planet religious, political, ethnic, etc has a stereotype or something that can be poked fun at, and 99% of the time they are able to just shrug it off. Why is it that every time someone does or says anything about the Islamic religion they get eviscerated by Muslims around the world saying it is extremely offensive. Just get over yourselves.
    • Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1Why is it any time someone criticizes Israel he gets eviscerated and blacklisted by people around the world accusing him of anti-Semitism?
      Note that Jews are especially vulnerable to this tactic: see the ***** List ("Self-Hating Israel-Threatening" Jews )
      http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html
    • bluto36, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14one small difference might be that no rabbi will call out a fatwa for criticism. crap badly drawn cartoons made the Muslim world go bat *****
    • xXAzraelXx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1You cannot blame simple people for being afraid of men with guns in their country blowing things up and telling them when to go out and when to stay in. People may link foreign white Christian people attacking Islamic nations as some sort of crusade, not like it did not happen before or anything... *cough* you give simple people reasons to fight and bingo, they fight. They fight and remember the bad times. Not hard to orchestrate anger and counter anger. I'd expect more from a high school paper.
    • bluto36, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8simple people? sounds kinda racist

      you remember the crusades? how long will it take to be forgiven of the sins of my fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers father. (maybe, i might be Indian and in that case go dry hump yourself)
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Hold up, hold up...

      Anyone remember the protests at Wal-Mart the past few Christmases? They felt offended - not even at a comment - but at the mere exclusion of the word "Christmas" at the store. Offended enough to demonstrate, and to call it a "War on Christmas". A WAR? Becuase someone didn't mention your little holiday? (Mind you, they didn't mention any others either) This would be akin to a man complaining because his work didn't put up banners celebrating his birthday, though no one else had banners put up for theirs.

      So I definately don't think that Muslims have the market cornered on trite whining and pity parties. Not by a long shot.
    • DesScorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"So I definately don't think that Muslims have the market cornered on trite whining and pity parties."

      And I don't recall any of those Christian protestors cutting the heads off of Wal Mart execs or burning buildings down, or threatening mass destruction over cartoons. If you can't see the difference, you're part of the problem.
  • curbcheck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18If you don't like it then don't look at it.
    • PoserDad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmmm, so ignore it and it will disappear from your reality???
  • LeberMac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19The only thing that would make it more ironic is if the parade was targeted by muslim extremists with "Float-bombs".
  • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33 Muslim "seething" and "rage" is a weapon used to intimidate the West. Knowing that they cannot pass Sharia Law by democracy, they are attempting to enact it by intimidation -- making any references to Mohammud or doubting the correctness of any part of Islam will be de facto prohibited, due to the fear of Muslim "rage". We cannot bend to this type of intimidation.

    thnx to the lizardoids for bringing this to our attention.
  • cr4ft, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3You know what's worthing? Hearing an evangelical tell me why jesus is the only way to heaven
    • xXAzraelXx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The way to heaven is through ones own personal faith. No one can tell you any way into heaven but god. God is love.
    • Reci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0You guys are both idiots if you believe you go anywhere but the ground once you die.
  • neptunebk, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3Everyone who dugg this ***** should be removed from Digg and the world.
    • DownWithP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I'll go ahead and assume that you're intending to be ironic.

      Sucks that part of tolerance is realizing that other people have, and are entitled to, opinions that you don't agree with.
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Well... though I think he's a bit extreme, it should be said that there's a big difference between "tolerance" and "ignoring obvious fallacies in another's opinions". I don't know if it applies here, but I wanted to note that in general. Tolerance between otherwise equal opinions or beliefs (the latter of which aren't and generally can't be supported by non-fallacious arguments) is acceptable.

      But for example, if I believed that the earth went around the sun and someone believes that the sun goes around the earth, I don't have to be "tolerant" of that. I think it's well within the bounds of reason to try to correct the obviously incorrect assumptions upon which the latter opinion was based.
  • affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4bury
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20I hope this is true. However, if it's such a "tiny minority of wackos" how come so many of these Jihadist Imams are LEADERS in their mosques? And, as in recent cases in Australia, England, and Canada, they remain leaders even when their extremist views are exposed?
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6oops
    • affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2I was posted up top so its more visible.
  • SoundJudgment, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Make the picture bigger so it can be my new vista screen saver!
    • PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Careful, they might blow up just like Vista.
  • Junn168, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7Hey Muslims SHUT UP OR GET OUT. If you don't want us calling Islam violent or evil, then tell your relatives in the middle east to stop being terrorists scumbags.

    • Daiken, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Right, all Muslims have relatives in the middle east who are terrorists. Tell me more Mr. Wise Ass. Blocked!
    • Reci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0Uhh actually are we not stationed in their countries? Oh I forgot that is for oil. You would die for oil.
  • Imus, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8OK everybody, go register at littlegreenfootballs and tell them what you think!
    • Daiken, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6The site is a piece of crap as I mentioned earlier. They just want everyone to hate Islam like they do. I'd rather not give them the pleasure of having me as a "registered" member let alone having me view their garbage site.
    • coolapic, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Sucker ! Registration on LGF is not open for lefties and moterf****rs like u !
    • coolapic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7If you want to register at LGF you better read the site 24/7/365 ... for a decade or so ...

      And doing so you may become educated and a little less stupid ;-))
    • Imus, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6I am registered at LGF. Reading the comments at LGF is like identifying dog *****. They may look different but they all smell the same.

      But you've obviously missed the point of a closed website spamming an open website.
  • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3So they got upset? so what? nothing happened because of it, plenty of Christians and Jews get mad because of offensive stuff all the time, this is only getting reported because there were a few incidents of Muslims over reacting in the past. (Which is a whole differant topic by itself)
    this is not news, this is someone trying to portray Muslims as something they are not.

    And how exactly are they "seething"? The only quote in the article from anyone associated with Muslims said "I wouldn’t get too upset about it,"
    • moski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They are always seething about something. They play the victim card well.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Where, in this article, does it say anything about seething?
      the only quote from a Muslim is a guy that says he wouldn't get upset,
      that hardly seems like seething.
      And Id feel like a victim if The leaders of my countries had been overthrown by the U.S., if proxy wars had not been waged with me in the middle and if my country had been attacked after not doing anything to the country attacking me not to mention someone putting a country in the middle of one of my countries and taking control of one of my holy spots.
      I bet christians wouldn't try to play the victim card after that,
      You have people say happy holidays at wal mart and they scream like its Germany in 1936
  • forgeflow, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7just checking here. is there anything that DOESN'T upset religious fundamentalist types? seems that no matter WHAT you do, someone is getting their knickers in a twist about it, so i admire the way these floats don't pussy foot around.

    all the trouble in the world is caused by religion. imagine where humanity would be today without all the wasted thought, energy, lives, and resources devoted to the ridiculous fictions that are the world's major religions.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"all the trouble in the world is caused by religion." Like the holocaust? oh wait, maybe not. Like ww1? no wait, wrong again, The cold war? ummmm Now that I think about it you may have made a vague statement not backed up by fact.

      "imagine where humanity would be today without all the wasted thought, energy, lives, and resources devoted to the ridiculous fictions that are the world's major religions."
      We'd be fighting about something else. Religion is not the cause of hatred and bigotry, it is merely a tool in which people with those beliefs use. Without religion we would still have hatred, war, etc..
      Also imagine the advances made to art, poetry, music, etc.. that would not have happened without religion
      I wish I could live in a world that was as black and white as yours but unfortunately I realize the world is made of shades of grey
    • baileyntx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2forgeflow:

      'all the trouble in the world is caused by religion. imagine where humanity would be today without all the wasted thought, energy, lives, and resources devoted to the ridiculous fictions that are the world's major religions."

      Why...they would be in Russia. The Bolsheviks were not religious and they managed to kill their fair share.
      Or...perhaps Iraq while Saddam was still in power. He only 'got religion' when it was convenient towards the end of his glory days. He was as secular as they come and he killed his fair share as well.
      Let's see...then there was Hitler. He definitely USED religion to further his megalomaniac ambitions but certainly wasn't doing it for Christ or Christianity.

      So you see....even secular atheists have world domination and mass murder dreams
  • Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Who are these Muslims that are getting so mad? My few Muslim friends actually think this stuff is funny...
    • coolapic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Muslims are your friends until they stab you in the back ... Take care of your health ;-)) !
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0?? trying to figure out how that stab in the back post makes any sense at all.
      what justification do you have for saying that?
      I will beleive the person with Muslim friends over the racist/bigot/etc.. any day
    • hoserjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The muslim word "assassin" means "back stabber"
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Hose,
      ok thanks, but he's implying that all Muslims are back stabbers, and I'm just curious how that conclusion happened
    • Benthoven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It is taught in the koran to lie to infidels and betray them (us) in all matters. No other religion is commanded to either convert non-believers, force them to pay taquiyya (tax), or kill them. And we are supposed to trust the words and intentions of a muslim?
  • oMeSSiaHo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1I have an idea! Lets get a float together that has black people eating watermelon, fried chicken and colla greens. I mean some black people do that right? Oooh I know! Lets make a float of a pimply fat kid sitting at a computer playing WOW while fapping, after all I'm sure there's some geek doing that right now!

    My point is yes there are some muslim terrorists but that doesnt give people free reign to over generalize. None of the "Big Three" are free from guilt. I'm sure the Catholics would be pissed if someone made a float of a priest ***** a little kid.
    • calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'd probably enjoy a parade with every single one of the floats you listed above hehe. The parade is a form of speech, people should be allowed to say what they want. The audience should be adult enough to ignore the statements that they don't like.
  • AMER1CAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"These wackos have basically hijacked Islam and screwed it up for the rest of the moderate non-violent Muslims around the world..."

    I'm sure the both of you are real pissed about that.
    • coolapic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Moderate muslims ? That's what they say they are until they get a bomb shaped head and blow up in a crowd !

      If moderate muslims exist everyone would know, or they where all born mute ;-))
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@cool
      so about 1.4 billion people are radicals that want to kill us and all they've managed to do was take down a few planes?
      Please shut up unless you know what the ***** your talking about,
      Your argument is hindered by a little thing I like to call the facts
    • wtharvey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, now nobody said they were effective wacos...
  • 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6As a Muslim, that float does hurt me, but does not anger me, there is a big difference. But you guys are comparing a float of Bush, a single person, with a float of a religion, millions of people... This float does somewhat assume and give the image that Muslims = terrorism...

    Muslims != terrorists!

    • DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.
    • 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9@ digitaldud; "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims."

      This is very untrue, and very biased...

      Have you heard of Eric Robert Rudolph?

      What about Clayton Waagner? Or James C. Kopp? What about the 'Army of God'? Michael Bray? Michael F. Griffin? Paul J. Hill?? Have you heard of any of these people? Probably not, they're all Christian terrorists...
      • Reci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0You can count the christian terrorists without even taking you shoes and socks off.
    • calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2America's founding fathers were terrorists :)
    • DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Well I've never heard of any of those people, which would mean they're not very good at terrorism.
    • Junn168, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Number of terrorists acts committed by Christians, Hindu's, Buddhists, Atheists,etc. in the past 10 years: less than one hundred

      Number of terrorists acts committed by Muslims in the past 10 years: thousands
    • Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Apparantly the world seems to have forgotten about the IRA.... you know, the group that the Muslim terrorists learned all their tricks from.....
      • Reci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0IRA terrorists? According to who?
        Muslim terrorists? According to who?
        Some might call these people freedom fighters.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Why is Calv getting dugg down?
      The forefathers were very much terrorist
      "violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands" -Websters

      They fought in ways that broke the rules of war at the time (like we blame the Iraqis for doing)

      There are similarities, whether you choose to ignore them or not

      @junn maybe if you want to be more accurate you might want to go back more then 10 years. History is important. you cant take a tiny TINY piece of time like that and draw a conclusion from it.
      Besides your wrong, world wide Christians and Jews and Hindus and atheist have done alot of terrorist acts
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1@digital,
      just because your ignorant of those people doesn't mean they didn't kill people.

      And you never heard of the bombings during the Atlanta Olympics? you should read the news more often buddy
    • bluto36, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3ya they forgot about the IRA cus they stopped blowing ***** up. maybe just maybe if Muslim stopped exploding in pizza shops then people will start forgetting Muslim = terrorist *****
    • Arch, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3{
      MuslimTerrorist();
      return seventy-two-virginwhores;
      }
  • AMER1CAN, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6"As a Muslim, that float does hurt me..."

    The truth hurts sometimes.

    Muslims != Terrorists

    but we know

    Terrorists = Muslims
  • hanszebeeman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Actually, interesting that Mullahs are equated with "all Muslims". The float refers to MULLAHS, not all Muslims - except that all Muslims think like Mullahs.

  • chall2001, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I dug this story because the floats are hilarious but the headline seems a real stretch.
    "German Muslims Seething" seems to equal one guy who said the float was insensitive. Now everyone please refer to my post and all of my future opinions as the view of "All White Males in the English Speaking World".
  • CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Deal with it. Who the hell cares? They're making fun of other people too.
  • AMER1CAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10It's funny that your "average muslim" is offended by the float. Could it be because the truth can sting a little bit?

    Of course they don't want islam under a microscope. Then the rest of the world might actually discover islam for what it is. A cancerous plight on this planet offering nothing of value. Hell, muslims didn’t even invent the zero as they claim. They ***** stole it from another culture.

    Think of the irony in that.

    lol

    Wake up sheeple.
    • DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12If I was a Arab I'd be pretty pissed that my culture hasn't contributed anything positive in the past 1500 years.
    • Junn168, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Can you tell me one thing that Muslims countries produce other than oil? Do they have any factoies? Can they produce and design their own computers, planes, cars, weapons, or anything of value? Does anyone know?
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3A. That is not irony
      B. What the hell are you talking about? contributed nothing? read a ***** book.
      C. Its funny that your name is based on a country that has killed many more people than Muslims have in the past 200 years yet you are calling them the plight on this planet?
      D. The Sheeple are the people who beleive everything the media is telling them about Muslims
      E. C and D are more ironic then them stealing zero
      F. What are you talking about them stealing zero? Although it was used in what is now mexico first they could not have known that, and the numerical system we use was not based on that, so to be technically true we should say that the number zero that is used by a vast majority of the planet was first invented/discovered by the Arabs

    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1@junn
      you can use the powers of the internet to find that out you know,
      heres a good spot, the c.i.a. world fact book, just go to the Muslim countries and see what they produce
      https://cia.gov/cia//publications/factbook/
      dont forget Dubai by the way,
      extremely advanced, probably more than the u.s. technology wise


      also dont just look at Muslim countries look at Muslim people.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inventions

      Dumb ***** .....
    • edm1950, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4But they do such amazing things with chickpeas and lentils.
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8>" to be technically true we should say that the number zero that is used by a vast majority of the planet was first invented/discovered by the Arabs"

      It was taken from Hindu mathmaticians in India. Not Mexico, dumbass. Zero as a numeral was a Hindu discovery/invention. The fact that you have to go back 1500 years to find a Arab invention is much more telling.
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15>"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inventions"

      Interesting. Nothing in that article is from the last 1000 years.

      Stagnant culture, stagnant ideas, stuck in a culture more suited to 1007 AD than 2007 AD.

      The rest of us have moved on and progressed.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5"Interesting. Nothing in that article is from the last 1000 years.

      Stagnant culture, stagnant ideas, stuck in a culture more suited to 1007 AD than 2007 AD.

      The rest of us have moved on and progressed."

      And what can we do about them, kill them all?

      Strangely enough it's not the Muslims that frighten me the most ....
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0ok, so I mis spoke on one of my 6 points. sorry. what about the others, and I don't have to go that far back at all, I just choose that one since it was the one mentioned by the post I was commenting on. But if you want to know more recent inventions please click on many of the links here to pages talking about them.
      To say that not one Muslim has invented anything substantial in the past 1000 years is ridiculous and if you had half a brain that wasn't brainwashed you would know that.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0PS I also don't understand the point of arguing about inventions. Its a very long conversation on why Muslim countries seem to have worse times then secular countries, and America is not completely blameless on whats holding them back. (Would Iran be ruled by its leaders if we would not have stuck our nose in there business and overthrew their democratically elected leader in the 50's for fear of socialism?)
    • Arch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inventions

      Most, if not all of those inventions have nothing to do with the Islamic faith.
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Stevethegreat: >"And what can we do about them, kill them all?"

      That's a strange almost psychopathic reaction to the simple fact that their culture is stagnant.
      I suggest just ignoring them. Find alternative sources of energy so their oil is useless.
      Without oil they will either catch up or fade away.

      Your suggestion of mass killing is frightening to me. Have you thought about seeking psychiatric help?
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I suggest just ignoring them. Find alternative sources of energy so their oil is useless.
      Without oil they will either catch up or fade away. "

      Exactly my (real) point. Thanks for being rational....
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Let's start with one. A team of Libyan Islamic students helped to create the computer models to help the United States create the first Stealth Bomber. I know, because one of the men on the team is currently my boss. He also helped design the system that California uses to model human effects on air quality and pollution. Why? Because he loves America, and he wanted to put his considerable knowledge to work in helping make it grow and prosper.

      Helpful... to the United States? A Muslim? Yes, don't look so surprised. Islamic people are making contributions every day to the world, just like people of every religion and nationality are... it's idiotic to believe that a whole group of people isn't doing anything helpful. What, do you honestly think they're just sitting there? There are Engineers, Doctors, Research Scientists, and more that are Islamic, just as pretty much any group of people you can identify these days has them: because the world isn't some bizzare black and white abstract. And - I know, sit down, it may be shocking to you - some of them are exceptionally interested in helping out the United States. I wonder how many people posting here realize that... that when they say that Islamic people are evil or terrorists "universally" (as was said below), they're insulting a multitude of American Muslims who are working every day to make this country a better place.

      So let's not get into this "they're not worthy to be here because they haven't done anything useful recently" garbage. Many people from all nationalities and religions contribute to many societies every day: the world just isn't as intent on keeping score by nationality and religion anymore. I'd be surprised if someone was bothering to keep score of "who belonged to what religion that invented what". It's childish and pointless in this globalized world. So let's just accept that contributions to society are more personal than some supposed effort of a nationality or religion (when was it EVER that way?) and talk about something more intelligent.
    • counterplex, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@digitaldud

      Here's a list of scientists who were muslim and who contributed to the life you're living right now:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_scientists

      The categories on that page include: Astronomy, Chemistry, Geography, Mathematics, Medicine and Physics.

      @Junn198

      Take a look around the hospiral the next time you're there. A large number of the doctors there will probably be Muslim or from Muslim countries. Look around silicon valley or any high tech firm and chances are you won't be able to go far without running into a Muslim or someone from a Muslim country.

      While oil is the first thing that came to your mind, you probably didn't realize that the Arab countries of the world are a small minority in the collection of the Muslim countries of the world. Start talking populations and Arabs make an even smaller part of the Muslim community around the world. All those other Muslim countries contribute to your life every day.
    • xgirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@stevethegreat

      Actually there are sites that debunk the "islamic inventions"

      http://badhairblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/brief-debunking-of-list-of-top-20.html
  • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Hey, Islam may be a "religion of peace", but it sure as hell isn't one of tolerance.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Name one that is,

      Buddhism?
      ummm, thats about it
      =)
  • 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@ Digitaldud

    Haha, that's probably one of the lamest comments I've ever read on Digg period...

    http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:is4KAiKBuBsJ:www.islam101.com/history/muslim_us_hist.html+muslim+first+in+america&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&strip=1
  • 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Oh, and another one for you and your friends Digitaldud:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_medicine

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_astronomy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calligraphy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inventions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_in_the_Islamic_World

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mathematics

    Now go read something for once..
    • Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Funny. No really. Because I've read 100's of things throughout my life from various cultures claiming they invented (insert whatever here). Hell, my friend from Danmark thinks everything was invented there!
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13None of those list anything from the last 1000 years. What was once a progressive inventive culture has been ground in to the dirt by Wahabbist fanatics. Nothing to contribute, nothing new, no progress.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3This guy also lived 1000 years ago ....

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_H._Zewail
    • linuxpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Here's a lesson to all trying to make a point, here on Digg or elsewhere:
      If you turn in a report that cites Wikipedia as a reference, you are most likely going to be marked down, and there's a good reason for that.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2^^
      OK
      http://www.its.caltech.edu/~femto/
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1@linux
      Your a jackass, We go to wikipedia because its the quickest place to find info. It is a great jumping off place, easy to understand and usually has sources, would you rather we link to anonymous web sites? Wikipedia is peer edited and while incorrect sometimes, it is usually correct. Alot of my teachers use it in classes at my college even. Get off your high horse, if you want to disprove something someone says and links to wiki then disprove them, or at least post a list of sites that you find acceptable. cnn? The NY Times? Encyclopedia Britannica? Or a sight owned by a for profit organization? maybe a blog? I trust wiki over any of those.
    • linuxpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Your a jackass, We go to wikipedia because its the quickest place to find info. It is a great jumping off place, easy to understand and usually has sources, would you rather we link to anonymous web sites? Wikipedia is peer edited and while incorrect sometimes, it is usually correct. Alot of my teachers use it in classes at my college even. Get off your high horse, if you want to disprove something someone says and links to wiki then disprove them, or at least post a list of sites that you find acceptable. cnn? The NY Times? Encyclopedia Britannica? Or a sight owned by a for profit organization? maybe a blog? I trust wiki over any of those."

      @nestafett:
      good job wasting your time bitching to a "jackass". Next time read what I said, and contemplate what it meant before responding.

      I don't care where you link to. Link to Wikipedia all you want. I link there from time-to-time, too. I wasn't complaining about him linking to Wikipedia, I was complaining about him treating Wikipedia's articles as the One Truth which completely disproves all who oppose it. He could've gone to Encarta Online or Encyclopedia Britannica, but he chose the one encyclopedia that may have been written by someone who has no clue. Both of these are known to be fairly correct, and often the information in them comes from professionals.

      Also note how you respond by calling me a jackass. I'm a jackass because I'm trying to help others prove their point better? Thanks.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I apologize for using that word but it didn't seem like he was treating wikipedia like that and I've heard alot of people refuse to discuss things cause its referenced off that, when it was shown to be as accurate as Encyclopedia Britannica with scientific topics.
      I did however speak rudely and I apologize, I had just read a whole lot of comments that kind of scared me, I like to think of Digg and all this as a new way to view the news with less corporate control and to see articles like this (This was totally mis represented by the title, very propagandaish )
      I just got upset at others sorry, no offense to you
      (although I still think theres not a good reason for getting dugg down for using wiki) =)
    • PersianAli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@nestafett, did you know Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was a pedophile? How can you believe in his claim that he could hear an angel? Do you still believe in the tooth fairy?
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I don't say that I believe in his claim to hear an angel, I'm not Muslim, I'm Christian.
      But almost, if not all, beliefs sound silly really.
      Its not my place to judge other peoples beliefs, so i try not to (try) =)
      and when I do see something I think is wrong I try to hold my own beliefs accountable to those same standards.
      ps. That Pedophile thing, I'd like to see a credible source.

      oh and Jesus sent a bear to maul to death a few dozen children who teased someone, calling him a baldhead. That doesn't seem so great, wheres your outrage?
      (2 Kings 2:23-24)
      =)
  • linuxpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think somehow *EVERYONE* is missing the point of this float, which is making fun of the fact that while everyone says Islam is peaceful, Muslims in the Middle East continue fighting as though they somehow missed that passage of the Qur'an.

    It's not really trying to say that *all* Muslims are evil or are terrorists.
    • karmic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I agree - adding that they called the caricature an Imam. That says a lot - it points to who perpetrates the violence yet decries the cliches.
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Aye, I must agree... the real source of the problem is corrupt and bribed Emams. This is very similar to a problem the Catholics had in the 400-1500's (possibly later, by some accounts). Corrupt leaders with the intent on using the religion for personal gain twisted the word of God. They charged people for pennance, sold Plenary Indulgences to wealthy landowners, justified wars and torture and execution.

      It resulted in the Reformation movement. Something similar is happening today among the Islamic intellectuals. A reformation of this system of corrupt Emams may soon be put to rest, and (hopefully) replaced with at least a large core of believers who are not afraid to ignore Emams that are bribed by corrupt governments. The movement is happening even now, in villiages and online. It will only be a matter of time before the Reformation comes to pass, as it did with the Catholic religion.

      That's why I think the people saying that violence is some kind of "universal truth" about Islamic people is rediculous. I've met and witnessed the kind and intellectual acts of many, many believers of Islam. I've been witnessing this transformation - slow, as the Catholic reformation was, but at a growing pace - of the large majority of people in this religion who just aren't that way, and are trying to convince the rest not to listen to the minority in positions of power who have corrupted a religion of good intent with their personal greed.
  • Rell812, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I actually saw this today on a German news site and thought "wow, that's actually offensive."

    But you have to keep in mind, Karneval is a chance for German citizens to be offensive and traditionally they have many prejudiced, short sighted, and downright ignorant floats. But it's not really ment to be taken seriously.
  • cbinflux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The Cliche' vs. The Reality is a keeper, and sadly, will likely be for years to come.

    The picture is a universal trutrh.
    • EdgarVerona, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2lol... wow, a "Universal truth", eh?

      Surprising indeed! I've never seen, say, my Islamic boss and his family strap explosives to themselves. Perhaps I should tell them that they're missing the A-Train here. Far be it for a person to go against a "Universal Truth". I'll make sure they get to doing that right away so that your comment can remain valid.
  • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8>"I actually saw this today on a German news site and thought 'wow, that's actually offensive.'"

    Did you think this one was offensive to Christians when it was shown?

    http://www.medienkritikonline.com/carnival1.JPG
    • hoserjoe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1No, it says more about the retarded Germans who make these things. They probably drink too much and have boils on their ass. Christians don't even notice this kind of stuff.
    • karmic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I wonder what would happen if the pope woke up one day and said that such was blasphemy and that observant catholics must fight a holy war targeting civilians to cleanse the world of such sin.

      At this point in history, such would be unimaginable. And it is a German pope. The world would condemn the statement, and half of the world's catholics would leave the church.

      So why do such declarations from Imams, made over floats, cartoons, and scantily clad women, go without condemnation. Ironically, when Imams make such statements, the press go into self censorship mode, thereby legitimizing the "complaints" and thereby aiding the Imams as they herd their masses into being "proper Muslims."

      The west needs to wake up and embrace criticism and ridicule of all religions, as Voltaire did.
    • counterplex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@habemus

      That was offensive to anyone who likes W. If you replaced his caricature with one of a couple of Bishops, I'm willing to bet the offense would be wider.
    • Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@counterplex >"That was offensive to anyone who likes W. If you replaced his caricature with one of a couple of Bishops, I'm willing to bet the offense would be wider.

      Did you fail to notice that his caricature using the holy cross that Christ was crucified on as a rocket propelled-grenade launcher? It is already offensive to Christians as it is. Suppose it showed Mohammad shooting a RPG out of a Koran; would Muslims not think that was offensive?
  • Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Interesting, I didn't read much about this in the news this morning. This is practically a non story in Germany.

    As usual the ones doing the seething are on Little Green Footballs.
  • AMER1CAN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6"Interesting, I didn't read much about this in the news this morning. This is practically a non story in Germany."

    There was a time when the burning and gassing of Jews was a 'non-story' in Germany as well. All I am saying is pull your head out of the sand. That's all.
    • Reci, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0Oh so your equating freedom of speech to extermination?
  • TheClemente, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Let's look at this another way - it's not a float about Muslims, suggesting nearly all Muslims are terrorists, their direct supporters, or likely to react positively to terrorism directed against America, Jews, or Western culture and values. That, one could argue, wouldn't necessarily be accurate.

    Instead, it's a float about terrorists, those who'd hide among civilians and deliberately target innocents, women and children (even among their own kin), and in this case, depicting those terrorists as Muslims. And THAT is highly accurate and perfectly justified.
    • omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1"it's not a float about Muslims ... it's a float about terrorists ... depicting those terrorists as Muslims"

      Great circular reasoning! So not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. I'll keep that in mind.
    • THX1212, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Great circular reasoning! So not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim."

      Not circular reasoning, ignoramus. He is saying an attribute of those terrorists in question is that they are Muslims. Not that all Muslims are terrorists.

      "I'll keep that in mind."

      How about trying to use your mind for a change?
  • jdubya, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Sieg Heil muzzies
  • fireinbergen, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Christians are the biggest terrorists in the world. Anyone familiar with the LTTE in Sri Lanka? They are the ones who pioneered the use of the suicide bomb, and they still are the number one users of this tactic. Christians go into poor nations with the guise of helping them when in fact they only want to convert these poor people and get more money into their donation plate. Truly sickening people!
  • Mengoxon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Calling carnival a Roman Catholic tradition is wrong in many ways:
    1. For obvious reasons, the Catholic church always oppresed carnival and its critique of church and state.
    2. Carnival or "Fasnacht" is big in the Swabian region of Germany (mainly Protestant) and not so big in Bavaria (staunchly Catholic).
    3. The most traditional forms of carnival involves rituals predating Jesus (ie driving away spirits, dressing up as wild men).
    4. Dressing up as a witch is the most common thing to do in the carnival of South-west Germany
    5. Carnival is timed with the fasting season - but this was most likely a decision by the people, not the church, hundreds of years ago and just like the Christmas tree (another ritual predating Christianity coming to Germany) the church could and can do nothing against it.
    6. Although there seems to be more evidence of carnival in Catholic regions (Cologne, Brazil, Venice, etc.) this is most likely just a reaction to the attempts by the church to stop it.

    I thought the float was funny. Not an accurate portrayal of all Muslims, but satire is never accurate and there are always other floats criticising Christian acts of terrorism to balance it all out.
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