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- tonmil, on 01/03/2009, -28/+288The U.S. should not get involved at all. Don't send arms, diplomats or money. Let the children work out their own problem or let another country adopt them.
- maz2331, on 01/03/2009, -7/+162It already is a full-scale war. The Israelis are not doing this to improve negotiating positions, they are out to destroy Hamas to the greatest possible extent.
They most certainly are not ***** around this time. - trucanadian, on 01/03/2009, -25/+138Why they hell did you reference this no-name site (which looks like a joke) when you could have referenced reuters?
Buried - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -46/+150if hamas cared about the palestinian people they would pump money into their infrastructure instead of spending all their money to launching bombs into israel
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -25/+121if only the Palestinians would just kill hamas themselves..
- Skywise, on 01/03/2009, -7/+101Russia and Georgia?
- Joest23, on 01/03/2009, -13/+104I seriously hope this doesn't turn into a full scale war, because this will be yet ANOTHER thing to happen in an extremely unstable region.
- Slashered, on 01/03/2009, -16/+95I am Jewish (by birth, not religion) and have spoken to several of my Jewish friends recently about this whole ordeal, and all of them eagerly support the Israeli's actions and attacks. I seem to be the only one that, whilst not going against the decisions Israel is making, to be offering a counter point to the incidents of the past week. Hamas needs to be stopped, they -have- shot rocket after rocket into Israel for years, aiming for civilians while hiding their weaponry in mosques and schools, making things that much more difficult. Israel has also made poor decisions though, injuring and killing many civilians without much care, as well as utter stupid restrictions on journalists.
This is bad all around and will seemingly only get worse as time passes. - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -32/+111short answer, they're stupid.
from wikipedia...., longer answer:
Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. - HardSide, on 01/03/2009, -27/+88For the past two weeks, all I heard was Gaza was shooting random rockets into Israel for over a couple of months and finally Israel got pissed and is now attacking, but why did Gaza shoot rockets in the first place?
- DigitalisAkujin, on 01/03/2009, -70/+131Hopefully Israel will succeed in decimating Hamas so that the Palestinian Authority can take over the Gaza Strip.
- 2cool4school, on 01/03/2009, -12/+72I have full confidence that if religion was taken out of the equation, we humans would still find a way to cause war and suffering. I'm afraid its our human nature.
- greenlight2001, on 01/03/2009, -4/+59Seeing as how we (the U.S.) GIVES them 3 billion a year to buy weapons, I'd say they're all set.
- Fyffebudsy, on 01/03/2009, -12/+66"Victory creates hatred. Defeat creates suffering. The wise ones desire neither victory nor defeat... Anger creates anger... He who kills will be killed. He who wins will be defeated... Revenge can only be overcome by abandoning revenge... The wise seek neither victory nor defeat." - Buddha
- Zervaman, on 01/03/2009, -90/+141Ahhhh religion...is there any violent conflict that you don't contribute to?
- sanman, on 01/03/2009, -1/+48pirates vs ninjas?
- arielwinegar, on 01/03/2009, -37/+83Let's get this ***** over with!! This has been coming to a head for years. It's about time to let it play out.
- groo68, on 01/03/2009, -5/+50The cold war? The civil war, the american/french/any other countries revolution? or civil war for that matter.
- EntropyFan, on 01/03/2009, -12/+56No, Israel can't. Israel is funded (to a large degree) by the U.S. We send (not sell, give them) tons of military equipment and support.
The U.S. is already involved. Heavily.
The U.S. needs to simply pull out ( and I mean everything, money, gun running, the lot ) and 'Let the children work out their own problem'. Sadly, that won't happen, and the U.S. will continue to plead that it is an 'innocent bystander' as it sends munitions to one side. - franklymister, on 01/03/2009, -5/+49It helps Hamas cement their own political power among the Palestinians.
The average Palestinian wants to live in peace, and is no more interested in war than the average Israeli. Unfortunately, their leaders need the conflict to hold on to power. - RayTracer85, on 01/03/2009, -13/+55When Russia attacked Georgia ,they were condemned by western powers and media becuse their use of force was disproportionate.I'm just curious about the international reaction to this,considering the casualties of the bombing campain is in the hundreds.
- Rudegar, on 01/03/2009, -5/+47north korea vs. south korea + super friends ?
- jambla, on 01/03/2009, -17/+57Watching it on CNN now. Starting off to be an interesting new year.
- mysn239, on 01/03/2009, -1/+40It's important.
- jguy584, on 01/03/2009, -11/+49I think Israel wants all this to end now.
I have a very shallow understanding of the conflict between the two, so excuse me if I'm totally wrong, but it seems like Hamas is a true terrorist organization. They hide among civilians and do everything in their power to instigate Israel. Then when Israel strikes back and kills their civilians, they flip out and use it to justify killing Israeli citizens. Maybe Hamas does have a great cause, one that I would agree with, but I overwhelming disagree with the way they try and bring attention to it.
If Hamas had any dignity they would come out and fight Israel head on, rather then hide with innocents to try and frame Israel on the world stage. Or best of all the two would just stop fighting. - Dumbledorito, on 01/03/2009, -8/+45So what are they planning on doing, exactly? Unless they've got some kind of "terrorist detector" that actually works or they flatten the country and depopulate the area, I don't really see this solving anything.
And no, I'm not advocating mass slaughter; What I am saying is that unless Israel pretty much kills everyone, they're going to create enough anger and resentment to fuel two or three more Hamas-like groups. Neither seems like much of a solution, either from a practical or moral standpoint. - holzp, on 01/03/2009, -2/+38Its a constant war with intermittent breaks.
- Gahread, on 01/03/2009, -38/+74From the article- "Meanwhile the casualty count in Gaza is already 425, possibly more."
No kidding. That's what happens when you spend a few months firing rockets at somebody until they get pissed enough to shoot back. Fortunately for Hamas, since they don't wear a uniform (which the Geneva convention requires), they can claim every single terrorist as a civilian casualty. That's over and above the people who are unfortunate enough to live near, go to school by, or pray in the same buildings that Hamas uses to build and launch rockets at Israeli cities.
Stop firing rockets randomly into population centers, and maybe the other guys will stop blowing up production facilities you hid inside a mosque. - SuperMoses, on 01/03/2009, -6/+41I'm an atheist, but to think this conflict is all about religion is naive.
- kingUssop, on 01/03/2009, -26/+61"Such a plan of forced evacuation would in fact be the very definition of ethnic cleansing:
'The United Nations Commission of Experts, in a January 1993 report to the Security Council, defined “ethnic cleansing” as “rendering an area ethnically homogenous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area.'"
This is what 99% of the rest of the world has been saying for years. You don't have a moral high ground (like Israel claims) when you do ***** like this. - Dumbledorito, on 01/03/2009, -6/+39"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." -Yoda
- chrissku, on 01/03/2009, -67/+99Hamas is reaping what they sow.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -13/+44go away
- DigitalisAkujin, on 01/03/2009, -36/+66Looking for a clue on how to end Israel bombing the ***** out of you? Stop launching rockets at random into it.
- Blacksoth, on 01/03/2009, -1/+29I just don't see how Israel can acheive peace so I don't see another option. Hamas had a ceasefire with Israel. This recent fiasco started with Hamas ending it and sending rockets into Israel. Sadly, Hamas has gained a lot of popular support through funding hospitals, schools, etc. which would be great for the palestinians.. except they ALSO use these building to hide military personnel, weapons, explosives, etc. etc. which makes them a military target. How can you achieve peace with a group that: 1)deny's your right to exist, 2)uses peace as a tool to undermine you and arm themselves, 3)ends the peace whenever they feel they have enough firepower to hurt you?
These people that characterize Israel as a warmongering nation based on ethnic cleansing seriously misrepresent themselves and the issues.
"Such a plan of forced evacuation would in fact be the very definition of ethnic cleansing:
[The United Nations Commission of Experts, in a January 1993 report to the Security Council, defined “ethnic cleansing” as “rendering an area ethnically homogenous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area.”]"
Hamas is a political and terrorrist group, not an ethnicity. Trying to separate the civillians from Hamas is exactly what they're trying to do. This charge is ridiculous. - Stuart750, on 01/03/2009, -4/+31This is a pretty serious event. I fear it is the beginning of many future problems.
- icona, on 01/03/2009, -6/+33Billions of dollars in aid and Technology transfers from usa to fight against bunch of kids. Give that to Ethiopia and they would day rape anyone.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 01/03/2009, -21/+47Because Hamas is a terrorist organization whose primary goal is the destruction of Israel.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -16/+42Good. One sure fired way to end a conflict is to utterly destroy the ability of the other side to fight.
When was the last time any of us had to deal with an Apache raid? - Wosat, on 01/03/2009, -2/+27They have before... why not again?
- Jeepinator, on 01/04/2009, -9/+33@jamdogg: Because Hamas are cowards and hide among women and children.
- greenlight2001, on 01/03/2009, -7/+31At least it's not from a power user...
- DigitalisAkujin, on 01/03/2009, -3/+26Uh... yes?
- IHaveCrayons, on 01/03/2009, -0/+23Um, you're wrong. Hamas does spend a lot of money on infrastructure. I'm not supporting them, I'm just telling you facts. This is one of the reasons why they are popular with Palestinians.
From Wikipedia:
Hamas is particularly popular among Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, though it also has a following in the West Bank, and to a lesser extent in other Middle Eastern countries. Since its formation in 1987, Hamas has conducted numerous social, political, and military actions. Its popularity stems in part from its welfare and social services to Palestinians in the occupied territories, including school and hospital construction. The group devotes much of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. According to the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz "approximately 90 percent of the organization's work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities".[89]
In 1973, the Islamic center 'Mujamma' was established in Gaza and started to offer clinics, blood banks, day care, medical treatment, meals and youth clubs. The centre plays an important role for providing social care to the people, particularly those living in refugee camps. It also extended financial aid and scholarships to young people who wanted to study in Saudi Arabia and the West.[90] In particular, Hamas funded health services where people could receive free or inexpensive medical treatment. Hamas greatly contributed to the health sector, and facilitated hospital and physician services in the Palestinian territory. On the other hand, Hamas’s use of hospitals is sometimes criticised as purportedly serving the promotion of suicide bombings and other forms of violence against Israel.[citation needed] Hamas also funded education as well as the health service, and built Islamic charities, libraries, mosques, education centers for women. They also built nurseries, kindergartens and supervised religious schools that provide free meals to children. When children attend their schools and mosques, parents are required to sign oaths of allegiance. Refugees, as well as those left without homes, are able to claim financial and technical assistance from Hamas.[91]
The work of Hamas in these fields supplements that provided by the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA). Hamas is also well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah.[92 - Dauven, on 01/03/2009, -24/+47This is shameless propaganda. Just to point out a blatant example:
"We know, from reporting in Ha'aretz, that the Israeli leadership began planning for the current attacks before entering the Egyptian negotiated cease-fire which expired on December 19th and used the cease-fire as an opportunity to prepare."
Every nation prepares for any conceivable military eventuality. Hell, the United States has a military plan for invading Canada. Does that make us opportunistic and blood-thirsty? No. Its just a possibility. That's the point of a war council.
Buried as inaccurate. - ufucuk, on 01/03/2009, -1/+23http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLS69391 ...
- Maddoktor2, on 01/03/2009, -8/+29Maybe hamas should stop hiding amongst civilians, and fight like the warriors they fashion themselves to be?
- franklymister, on 01/03/2009, -1/+22What a sad, sad person you are, to wish for fellow humans to die.
I wish for peace. And I wish for you to grow up and learn about the world. - borez, on 01/03/2009, -1/+21I'll do it.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKLS693916 ... - confuseddesi, on 01/03/2009, -32/+52Hopefully this will reduce the civilian casualties that have deliberately caused by Hamas due to their positioning of rocket launch sites in schools and civilian buildings which they operate through their "charity" arm. A ground invasion will directly target Hamas civilians as only guns (and not bombs) can do.
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