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- kaelyiesta, on 05/10/2009, -0/+186Reminds me of the canadian provocateurs video that came up about a year ago. This is not unprecedented: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/248608 - moxley, on 05/10/2009, -1/+131They've been doing this in the US and Canada for decades, using agent provocateurs is proven technique that is on, like, page 3 of the counterintelligence training manual.
- redcolumbine, on 05/10/2009, -2/+131To discredit the protesters. Look up "agent provocateur." It's a very old and very successful tactic.
- borez, on 05/10/2009, -3/+95Doesn't suprise me one bit, my mate who was protesting got a letter from the police regarding his groups attendance a few days before and it read like a challenge from a rival group. It was all statements like: " We are prepared to use the necessary force as and when trouble arises " etc. etc.
To be honest it was what some people would define as 'fighting talk'
I should see if I can get a copy of it from him and scan it for the web. - evil-doer, on 05/10/2009, -1/+77this happens ALL the time.
ANY big protest has undercover cops stiring up ***** - powatom, on 05/10/2009, -4/+79Nothing surprises me about the filth these days - they're just a bunch of thugs. For every good police officer there are ten scumbags who joined up just to have an excuse to beat people up.
- ByteGuerilla, on 05/10/2009, -1/+63Video of a police officer in London refusing to provide his ID number: http://digg.com/politics/G20_Police_Officer_Refuse ...
- shedtroll, on 05/10/2009, -1/+60They let the Black Bloc (A Nihlist group that poses falsely as an anarchist group) to smash up the London Headquarters RBS, but they penned in Peaceful climate camp protesters who, left to their own devices would have a sit in.
Then, they killed a person not involved in the protest by any means.
Ladies and gentlemen. I believe what the police was trying to do, as with ALL G20 protests, was discredit opponents to the G8/20. - hawkspur, on 05/10/2009, -14/+68***** pigs.
- le0pardess, on 05/10/2009, -3/+42Investigate? As if they don't know who authorized and planted them. Whenever the government "investigates" their own crimes it is a massive waste of time and an ungodly waste of double digit millions. The end result is always an injustice on a scapegoat, double talk, or the blame of no one.
- ByteGuerilla, on 05/10/2009, -2/+38Do it. I would love to see that. The tactics the police and the state will use to bring things to a point where they can break out the riot gear and start detaining people needs to be public knowledge.
- emazur, on 05/10/2009, -3/+37dugg, but old news to those who've been paying attention:
http://www.infowars.com/g20-protesters-smash-windo ... - kaelyiesta, on 05/10/2009, -1/+35Also, here is a photo of the incident. Notice the tread on the shoes between the supposed anarchists and the police.
http://cupe.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1908 - Protonz, on 05/10/2009, -1/+34Yep, and at first the people who started connecting the dots were called conspiracy nuts.
- patent98310, on 05/10/2009, -1/+32yes, this is old news. They will have undercover riot cops to incite the crowd to make the protests credibility fall. Basically they don't want any protesting going on , and they want it to look bad on the protesters part so they make a reason to stop it, and of course take as many into custody as possible. Thats why it is so important to not become violent and vandalize in a protest, because then they fail.
They are like firefighters who start their own fires. - spepin, on 05/10/2009, -0/+31That happened here at the Montebello protests a couple of years back. Stuff's messed up.
- Waiting2awake, on 05/10/2009, -2/+27Then they are turning a blind eye to those that are doing it. That big Blue wall that has been talked about.
I happen to agree that the real bad ones are a minority, but for whatever reason, that minority gets protected by the majority too often to be called anything other than accomplices. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 05/10/2009, -4/+29The riot police, corporations, etc. don't get their increased funding requests if there isn't any credible threat, now do they?
Oldest trick in the book. - barc0001, on 05/10/2009, -1/+25It happens quite often. More and more they're getting caught. Like in Quebec a couple of years ago:
Here's the video of the agents in question being called out by the crowd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
And later they admitted it to the media:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-m ...
As for the "why" they do it? Lots of reasons. Some of their buddies want an excuse to crack skulls, so that figures into it I am sure. Also the more violent the "protesters" are, the more leverage that is to change how and when people are allowed to protest. - LenBaird, on 05/10/2009, -0/+22Want to shut down free speech? Have a provocateur start violence, and a peaceful free speech event can be assaulted by police and shut down.
- Telekenesis, on 05/10/2009, -1/+23When I asked a police officer for his ID he said he would beat the ***** out of me and throw me in a ditch. Funny, I've never had so called criminals threaten or talk to me like that. Anything in my life since I was a child that has involved violence and very real threats to my person have come from the police. I hate corrupt and immoral police, I hate their violence, their corrupt institution that protects them and their brain dead mob mentality. No one has ever threatened my life but a police officer, not criminals.
- spepin, on 05/10/2009, -0/+20So that's why at the Montebello protests, they were arresting their own officers wearing force issued boots?
http://blog.fagstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/0 ... - ZhiZaki, on 05/10/2009, -2/+21@poprocksandsoda
If they aren't coordinated enough to order a pizza, then what are they doing in charge to begin with? - Daxx22, on 05/10/2009, -2/+21Mmm koolaid.
- blacklilyninja, on 05/10/2009, -3/+22its not the police... its the corporations and banks hiring the police that do this kind of ***** to demean the rights of everyday people.
- Feener, on 05/10/2009, -4/+22Those numbers are much more likely to be the other way round. No one writes/broadcasts news stories about police officers that do their jobs responsibly.
- Dustin00, on 05/10/2009, -5/+23And YOU are exactly the type of person the tactic works on.
Or, alternately, you're one of the provocateurs. - borez, on 05/10/2009, -1/+18If he still has it, I'll get a copy definitely.
- SwK386, on 05/10/2009, -0/+16its both... the police are just as complicit in such actions... this is no different from you hiring a hit man to take out your spouse for the insurance money. You both are equally complicit in the crime
- ryanonfire, on 05/10/2009, -5/+21oh *****, bastards! also found this: http://www.agentprovocateur.com/
- richmomz, on 05/11/2009, -1/+17It's the oldest trick in the police-state book - create some artifical violence to justify a heavy handed police response to an otherwise peaceful protest. The Chinese love this tactic as well - there is documented proof that agent provocateurs were used extesively during the protests in Tibet last year.
- tgc1, on 05/10/2009, -0/+15The point is to justify their presence and increased "investment" into their budgets. You see, by creating violence and unrest, they are in fact creating job security for themselves.
If we all got along in perfect harmony, we'd have zero use for police and thus they would lose their jobs. Understand? - MarkOfTheDead, on 05/11/2009, -0/+14Isn't it ironic that criminals are more proud of identifying themselves than most police? Aliases, nicknames, and they admit to them all being them at the ask of a question. Makes you wonder who's really scared deep down.
- PorcusWallabee, on 05/10/2009, -1/+15I would define it as "fightin words" just for the record.
- inactive, on 05/10/2009, -2/+16thats it, im ordering a pizza.
- Stavrosian, on 05/10/2009, -1/+15You may have noticed that all the news reports about the event focused on the potential for crowd violence, and not one of them focused on any of the issues that were being protested. That's pretty much all the reason you need.
- disappointed, on 05/10/2009, -0/+13So one of the protesters was also a member of the home affairs select committee? That's what I call a democracy.
- HappyScrappy, on 05/10/2009, -1/+14Yeah, mine's missing page 3.
- Pixelante, on 05/10/2009, -4/+16Why is this a surprise? It's a very effective tactic. Governments - especially those who spread fear and unsecurity in order to pass liberticide laws among the applause of the public opinion - do not feat revolts that they could tame with some heavy-handed force. It's not hard to put an entire completely disarmed population under the heel when you have the monopoly on violence. No, this kind of government fears successful, peaceful protests against which they have no legal recourse and that can turn the public tide against them. Not even the most pro-governmental media can deny the truth everyone can see.
So, the best way is to artificially turn those protest into violent clashes that can be lawfully be broken up, and the protester are then made to look like hooligans in the public eye. Moreover, you can then condemn and arrest the organizers. Problem solved.
It's exactly what we should expect the fascist limey government to do. - ByteGuerilla, on 05/10/2009, -1/+13If the police are there to maintain order above all else, it makes no sense.
If the police are there to smash some skulls and detain protestors, and then have order through fear afterwards, it makes all kinds of sense. - PeppermintPig, on 05/10/2009, -1/+13The proof is really in the photos at such events. The shoes are often a dead giveaway.
- NonServium, on 05/10/2009, -2/+14I don't think it was about discrediting, I think it was about imposing fear. A lot of what cops do is intended to make people afraid to do anything the government might not like.
- PorcusWallabee, on 05/10/2009, -1/+13I don't think it's about physically oppressing the people or ruling them by fear. They want to oppress them in a different way.
The protest appears illegitimate when it turns into a riot. The protesters themselves will look like angry misguided people instead of the educated civilized people that they are. The headlines will focus on the mob mentality of the protesters instead of the issue they're protesting. - catalysis, on 05/10/2009, -0/+12You don't want to know whats on page 2.
- ciaran036, on 05/10/2009, -0/+11When there are fights, the police will win. Police officers are heavily protected and armed with CS spray and batons.
- DeletingMachine, on 05/10/2009, -1/+12This kind of thing is rampant against dissidents. If you want a good read on it in the US, check out Beyond Bullets: The Suppression of Dissent in the U.S. by Jules Boykoff.
- skanton, on 05/10/2009, -1/+11got a copy of the counterintelligence training manual?
- inactive, on 05/10/2009, -7/+16Most police spend their careers writing tickets, not beating people up.
- ZhiZaki, on 05/10/2009, -1/+10I know there were recent cases of it occurring during all the rallies over the last year
- helios1276, on 05/11/2009, -3/+12..and then they never come?
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