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- elliotys, on 11/15/2009, -15/+71Regardless of what France does, I can't believe the islamic women put up with such an obvious display of misogyny, and islamic-small-dick-syndrome.
- tirau, on 11/16/2009, -5/+57Muslim women say they wear it to deter a man's gaze, but it really makes everyone in a normal Western society stare at them.
- Cerin, on 11/14/2009, -6/+55What began as a burka ban has become beguiled in belittling banality but now the bureaucracy has backtracked.
- Fudgefactor7, on 11/16/2009, -3/+39They shouldn't back down. Here's why: when an immigrant comes to any nation, they need to do the following two things--(1) attempt to learn some of the native language at a remedial level so as to be able to communicate with the populace at large; and (2) assimilate into the greater culture as to become a true citizen of their new home (this entails many things, among which are the following of all laws.)
The French have a law--if we can't see your face, you get no photo ID, and without that you cannot get many of the legal documents and licenses that are needed to live properly in France. It's the law. The Muslim community needs to understand that they are not so special as to be given a different set of laws to follow based on their culture. The law is the law. Follow it or GTFO of France. Is it that hard to comprehend? - Lucas123, on 11/15/2009, -16/+49Because baseball caps and makeup are not about oppression and control.
- ohplease, on 11/16/2009, -1/+27There's no way someone could make an effective sandwich wearing all that. It's reprehensible.
- sniper6121, on 11/15/2009, -10/+34In other news criminals start to wear burkas to conceal identities.
- Lucas123, on 11/15/2009, -12/+30Have you ever seen a Muslim man with his woman wearing a burka? I watched a couple at a zoo one day. The man wore blue jeans and a t-shirt, she wore a full burka - and man it was a hot day. It was painfully obvious that she'd been indoctrinated into a social system that brainwashed her into believing she was inferior to a man. I know Muslims say it's about keeping men from lusting, but that's a bunch of hooey. It's one thing to dress modestly and another thing all together to completely cover a person from head to toe. The women get used to it, even comfortable with it, but then again, you can get used to a lot of messed up stuff. I know it's a slippery slope, but burkas are pretty much synonymous with institutionalized oppression.
- elmundio87, on 11/15/2009, -2/+18ninjas have been doing it for over a million years
- MonkeyNews, on 11/16/2009, -8/+24Have you ever spoke to an islamic women about why she wears a veil - or is this just baseless assumption?
- Crimeodial, on 11/16/2009, -3/+18Hey France, how about you just rule that it's wrong to endorse any religion on public space. Yeah, the Christians Fundamentalists will be upset too, but ***** 'EM! Fundamentalists are going to ruin society!
- sTiKyt, on 11/16/2009, -2/+16Who says? Many people have varying opinions on the meaning of certain clothing, how is it the governments role to say who's correct and who's wrong.
- Rudegar, on 11/16/2009, -1/+15they discovered that if they made the ban it would also hurt 1000's of innocent ninjas :O
- Majjoodi, on 11/16/2009, -2/+14Just out of curiosity, is it normal to see topless women in the US or France?
- Elohir, on 11/16/2009, -2/+141/10 - Novice trolling at best
- Vestar, on 11/16/2009, -6/+17the burka is never mentioned in the quran. It is NOT a religious symbol it is a symbol of female submission and a medieval notion of chastity. I have no respect for anyone who wears the burka and I don't think it should be allowed in schools.
- cfuse, on 11/16/2009, -4/+15You can make people do the most ridiculous and stupid things, and you can even convince them it is in their own best interests.
I'm sure there are some women (and men for that matter) who have made a conscious decision, free of coercion, to wear the religious/cultural attire they do - just as I am sure that the bulk of them haven't and are doing as they have been indoctrinated/forced to do.
Let's be honest - Islamic dress isn't a choice for most women who wear it, regardless of whether they believe that is the case or not. - cfuse, on 11/16/2009, -4/+15You do here (Australia). They literally look like they just stepped off the plane from Mecca (because they often have). Bushy beards, skullcaps and cassocks are the order of the day. Of course their kids tend to look less traditional.
Stone age religious stupidity doesn't survive across the generations very well. All the muslims will end up exactly the same way all the other ethic groups that have come here did - totally mainstream in about 3-4 generations. Freedom, choice and opportunity win out over being ignorant and dressing like a goat herder - so what if they never truly assimilate? Their children will, or their children's children will. No matter how hard they fight it, they'll end up being Aussies eventually. - evenflowdave, on 11/15/2009, -1/+11OK, thats a good point. Baseball cap perhaps a stupid thing to compare it too...
I was in egypt for my last holiday and i remember also seeing a woman with full gear walking behind her husband wearing a t-shirt, and i remember thinking that was wrong (this was Cairo in July).
But then the next day at the Hilton pool, there was a saudi couple swimming with their kid. the wife was wearing an almost whole body light swim-suit with a burka. She actually looked quite classy and they were having fun. Only thing odd about that scene was that I was not used to seeing an all over swim-suit.
IMO it's making a woman wear or do anything that they don't feel comfortable with which should be looked at. I know thats easier said than done - how do you police that? But if you start banning items of clothing, where do you draw the line? People should have the right to wear whatever they want, as long as it is their choice to do so. - staticneuron, on 11/16/2009, -1/+10"'Isn't the heart of a woman's dignity found in the exercise of her free choice and her freedom, even if that includes wearing a burqa if she wants to?' he asked.
I find the burqa to be an outrageous concept. But then again, like the article states, the police reported only 367 females that wear burqas in france? Is it a widespread problem about identification? I doubt it.
Doing something ignorant under the guise of help I have seen before. If there are 367 of them.... maybe it is a choice for them. I have seen dumber stuff done in the name of religion. - RudeTurnip, on 11/16/2009, -1/+10If it wasn't for the French helping out the Americans during the Revolutionary War, we'd all be speaking English now...or at least a poofier-sounding version of it.
- xs11ax, on 11/16/2009, -1/+10what about those who were not born into islamic culture but still wear the veil after becoming a muslim?
- evenflowdave, on 11/15/2009, -6/+15you ban an item of clothing, then who is the controlling oppressor?
- diggbigwig, on 11/16/2009, -1/+9Don't go to that country. Why would you want to go to that country if you were so embarrassed and offended?
- chuckDontSurf, on 11/16/2009, -0/+8You may call me B?
- Elsewhere42, on 11/14/2009, -18/+25Persecution only serves to galvanize a population causing them to dig in deeper.
Want the controversy to go away? Stop making a fuss about Burkas and the people who thrive on persecution will wither away and head coverings will become boring.... and people will loose interest in wearing them.
Ignore this problem and it will go away, along with the Burkas. - billricardi, on 11/16/2009, -0/+7Ah hell, there goes the most awesome protest ever. Hundreds of overweight men picketing outside of Sarkozy's home wearing Burkas.
Wearing NOTHING but Burkas. - GreatSunJester, on 11/16/2009, -2/+9Muslim men have such weak wills that they need their women to cover themselves?
- diggbigwig, on 11/16/2009, -2/+8Fatwas come from the quran? I did not know that. I always thought a fatwa was just an opinion issued by a scholar (aka religious nutjob). Much like the christian nutjobs that interpret the bible into their twisted views of what it should mean.
- du4l1ty, on 11/16/2009, -1/+7Ban the burka. Bring on the revurka!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_7I5cHuzg - frepnog, on 11/16/2009, -2/+8FRANCE SURRENDERS.
AGAIN. - RudeTurnip, on 11/16/2009, -1/+6Makeup is...very few women would go out in public without makeup. Think about how a woman is unconsciously judged by society with vs. without makeup on.
- Tarantulus, on 11/16/2009, -0/+5no, not at all
- Stormwern, on 11/16/2009, -1/+6bravo!
- RudeTurnip, on 11/16/2009, -1/+6Burka = portable hotbox.
- feezus, on 11/16/2009, -0/+5Oh you prick. I got all excited thinking I had the perfect thing to post, but you beat me by two hours.
Dugg for hivemind. - du4l1ty, on 11/16/2009, -10/+15Burried. Daily Mail crap.
- trevor98, on 11/16/2009, -1/+6Because in France, the separation of church and state has different connotations than in the US. They have had a state religion and it forms part of their French national identity.
You are, however, correct about fundamentalism. The Burka is a Muslim fundamentalist creation. - evenflowdave, on 11/14/2009, -38/+43why not ban baseball caps and make-up too? Sarkozy = Tosser, IMO
- diceau, on 11/16/2009, -2/+6Because baseball caps don't cover your entire face?
- dekuscrub, on 11/16/2009, -0/+4They look like beekeepers.
- Suricou, on 11/16/2009, -1/+5As I understand it, the quran requires women dress - as best this can be translated - 'with modesty.' Exactly what that means however is a matter of cultural tradition.
- DarkMatter911, on 11/16/2009, -2/+6Muslim countries ban the wearing of those items. Why not what is good for the goose is good for the gander?
- carbbomb, on 11/16/2009, -1/+5sweet, more of this
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/freedomofexpre ... - ParaSwarm, on 11/16/2009, -0/+4We'd all be speaking English... instead of what?
- diggbigwig, on 11/16/2009, -3/+7Haha. So this is Bush's fault? Nice.
- wtfbatman, on 11/16/2009, -0/+4do not try to seduce me nor bore me with the belligerence of your insolence.
- SteelChicken, on 11/16/2009, -1/+5Win.
- zoomaKabu, on 11/16/2009, -1/+5Yes. Much better to have religious extremists run our lives.
- BookaShade, on 11/16/2009, -4/+7Both are great points. And lines of balance are blurred.
However in some Muslim countries if a women doesn't wear her burka she can be stoned to death. That's not fair. And honestly if that is the case these women don't really have a choice. Maybe the cultural significance isn't messed up its the countries laws and justice that need work.
That's where evenflows argument comes in. If a women is comfortable then why not? I doubt people get stoned to death in France so they should get to choose. Even if they were born in a Muslim oriented family. But in places like Saudi Arabia if you don't wear your burka you can get killed that's when the burka isn't significant. It now becomes a case of human ***** rights. -
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