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Fox News:15 yr-old detainee ‘maybe deserved’ harsh treatment

thinkprogress.org — According to reports, Khadr — who was just 15 years old when captured — was tortured while held by the U.S. in Bagram, Afghanistan, where “he was repeatedly brought into interrogation rooms on stretchers, in great pain” and “pain medication was withheld, apparently to induce cooperation.”

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  • TyBO, on 07/16/2008, -23/+101Not even tortured children can stop the neocons from blindly following their political party.
    • neognostic, on 07/16/2008, -5/+44Our Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves over this. They fought and died to rid ourselves of this exact kind of tyranny, and now Bush, his minions, and all those that still support him are all guilty of crimes against humanity.
      My only solace is that a higher court will judge them upon their demise, and thankfully let them spend eternity on one of Dante's levels of Hell.
      • ABadPerson, on 07/16/2008, -2/+9Slap on a few magnets and we got ourselves a generator! Free energy forever!
      • didiman, on 07/16/2008, -11/+2Tybo you're an idiot, he wasn't tortured. The kid was in Afghanistan and killed a solider with a grenade. He is where he belongs...I hope he never gets out.
      • EricSchC1, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4@ didiman: The next time soldiers from another country invade our/your country and refuse to leave, inciting and provoking violence amongst the various socio-political factions in said country, don't you dare think about retaliating, lest you be a huge douchebag of a hypocrite.
      • warriorscot, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1They thought and died to stop paying taxes and build their own empire, not Tyranny.
    • rolosworld, on 07/16/2008, -5/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
      he can be 15yo, but he definitely is a menace...
      him playing with his lego bomb:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alleged_Khadr_3 ...
    • robbh66, on 07/16/2008, -3/+7"The footage released Tuesday shows him being questioned by Canadian intelligence agents. "

      http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/15/gitmo ...

      Bush is a ***** douchebag, but you're an even bigger douchebag for blaming everything on him. But please, go on about "blindly following".
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/16/2008, -7/+4Yeah, he's only the COMMANDER IN CHIEF, HEAD OF THE ARMED FORCES.

        The buck stops with him.
        If he is such an incompetent leader that he allowed this to happen, that's on him.
        That's how it works in the military.
      • robbh66, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6@CryRightardCry

        You clearly didn't read what I quoted or are a complete and utter ***** retard.
      • gcnaddict, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1Canadian intelligence only interrogated him that way because they were instructed to do so by (wanna guess?)
      • robbh66, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1@gcnaddict

        Last I checked, Canadian intelligence took orders from Canadian politicians. If they chose to to take orders from somewhere else, that's their stupidity.
    • chrispecic, on 07/16/2008, -13/+9A 15 year old terrorist is still that a terrorist and should be treated like all the others.
      • robbh66, on 07/16/2008, -6/+13A 28 year old gentleman who can't form grammatically correct sentences is an idiot and should be treated like other idiots.
      • GawtMilk, on 07/16/2008, -4/+7He had killed a US soldier, and was shot in the chest three times after attempting to shot a pistol at another soldier. He helped his family lay anti-tank mines, and is on video handling explosives.

        That being said, the concept of torture is stupid. It just makes them say what you want to hear.

        However, consider this -- Khadr asked to be killed once he was captured. The soldiers refused and it was the American first aid he received that saved his life -- far better than if he were treated in a provincial Afghani hospital. Unlike the victim of his grenade, modern medicine saved his life.

        When he was being interrogated, they didn't give him his pain medication. That's the "harsh treatment".

        It definitely doesn't seem that unfair, he's still alive, he's still receiving the pain medication. I don't really think this qualifies as torture...I mean, it's a federal prison for "enemy combatants", not a state hospital for people with great insurance packages.
      • EricSchC1, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3re-posted from above...(and for some reason, I think I'll end up posting it again)...

        @ chrispecic & GawtMilk: The next time soldiers from another country invade our/your country and refuse to leave, inciting and provoking violence amongst the various socio-political factions in said country, don't you dare think about retaliating, lest you be a huge douchebag of a hypocrite.
      • CosmicJustice, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2"he next time soldiers from another country invade our/your country and...blah, blah, blah"

        I'm sorry. Did we invade Canada? I thought he was claiming to be Canadian. You can't have it both ways.
      • Clusterfrak, on 07/17/2008, -0/+0Actually, I would treat him as a POW. Hold him until America has a truce with the Taliban and Al Quedab but the Geneva Convention still applies. Now hold your breath until Al Queda would publicly agree to a truce on terms the U.S. would agree with. So now the U.S. has them for as long as they wish, it still obeys all international laws, and can still (from a better position) claim the moral high ground. Yes the U.S. may have elderly P.O.W.s but the cost is trivial. Right now the U.S. looks like an to the civilized world because of the harsh ways detainees are treated and by the extremeists beacause we have released a lot who (fingers crossed) agreed to give up jihad. Now if the U.S.properly holds them until a cease fire with the parties they are fighting can be arranged they have a legitamate right to detain indefinatley whithout trial.
    • Lunarbunny, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3I think I'll turn their own mindset against them:

      "Think of the children!"
    • joshua5, on 07/16/2008, -2/+2You have that backwards, its their party thats blinding following the neocons. Thankfully not so much anymore.
    • stonebear, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Doing the little deserter's Texas goose step. Used to be very popular, but it's going out of style.
    • CosmicJustice, on 07/16/2008, -7/+6HE KILLED A US ARMY MEDIC IN AFGHANISTAN
      'Nuff said. Hook up the jumper cables.
      • akula89, on 07/16/2008, -2/+5HE HAS BEEN IN CAPTIVITY FOR YEARS WITHOUT STANDING TRIAL
        'Nuff said.
      • CosmicJustice, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1So? Screw him. That medic's gonna be dead forever.
      • Clusterfrak, on 07/17/2008, -0/+0So hold him As a P.O.W. until the Taliban or AlQueda surrender, but obey international law.
    • cdahlkvist, on 07/16/2008, -3/+4If you consider "moving him to a different cell every 3 to 4 hours" to be considered "torture" due to the "sleep deprivation" then I guess you could say this murderous religious militant was tortured.

      He didn't claim waterboarding or even being beaten. His complaint was that he was "forced to fight" and then "deprived of sleep" and "refused medical attention" (even though our medical teams saved his life in the first place).

      Get off your high, hippy horse. The kid fought. His family had ties with terrorists. He threw a grenade at U.S. troops and killed on of them. He then proceeded to shoot at our troops.

      He deserves what he gets. I don't care that he is 15. He is already an easily brainwashed religious zombie. There is no chance of fixing that.
      • gcnaddict, on 07/16/2008, -2/+2"At Guantanamo, Omar was led, his senses still blocked, onto a bus that took the prisoners to a ferry dock. Some of the buses didn't have seats, and the prisoners usually sat cross-legged on the floor. Guards often lifted the prisoners' earphones, told them not to move, and when they moved -- helplessly, with the motion of the bus, like bowling pins -- started kicking them. The repeated blows often left detainees unable to walk for weeks."

        (second page)
        http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/1112833 ...

        Hey look, if he stood trial like a normal person or even a normal POW and was found guilty and tossed into jail, I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, Geneva Conventions exist for a reason.
      • FamineMonk, on 07/16/2008, -2/+1I have no problem with using our justice system to punish people who have harmed America or Americans but to just lock him up without a legal process goes against everything America supposedly stands for.

        Next thing you know we'll start charging Iraqis taxes because we need to pay for all the forces stationed there.
      • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Personally I think considering the level of interrogation he received, we would have been better doing it in the USA before sending him back to Afghanistan for the murder trial.

        Actually gcnaddict, according to the Geneva Convention Khadr has no rights.

        He was not in a uniform, or fighting for a country.

        The Geneva Conventions were set up to dictate rules between civilized nations, where both sides honored those rules. They do not apply to people who cannot claim their protection under the rules the Geneva Convention laid down.

        And personally I would like to hear what happened specifically to Khadr, not what might usually happen to normal prisoners. Because if he were a normal prisoner, he would have been waterboarded for information relating to his terrorist financier fathers activities and no one would care.
    • Rich711, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2He murdered a medic with a hand grenade. Where are his parents? His father and brother were arrested for running guns across the US-Candian border. But he says he was torture and that his arm that he injured lobbing grenades still hurts. And all the a-hole liberal nuts rush to take his word over anyone else involved. Where in the video is he being tortured? Nowhere. He's crying and rocking back and forth. Boo-frickin'-hoo. He murdered people he should be upset.
  • Ninh, on 07/16/2008, -16/+74Rush Limbaugh probably gobbled up all the available pain killers.
    • rald84, on 07/16/2008, -2/+16... but had to share with mccain's wife
      • floppyparty, on 07/16/2008, -0/+14No, she takes her private jet to Canada to purchase her pills.
    • GawtMilk, on 07/16/2008, -2/+5Torture is a dumb idea -- when you torture someone, you don't stop when they've told you everything they know, you stop when you've heard what you want to.

      That being said, this fifteen year old isn't exactly your average fifteen year old. He was wounded in a firefight in Khost after throwing grenades at US Soldiers, killing one. He was videotaped building anti-tank mines with his family, and when he was shot [three times in the chest], it was because he was firing a pistol at a soldier.

      After being captured, he asked the troops to kill him. They were about to, but then didn't and instead gave him medical care and treatment FAR beyond what he would've been provided at a provincial hospital in Afghanistan.

      I think, considering the leniency of the US troops in their handling of Khadr, it's unfair for him to say that he "isn't being treated well enough". The 'harsh treatment' is that under interrogation, he wasn't given his pain medication.
      • GawtMilk, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2i didn't mean to post this here
      • cdahlkvist, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3You should post it everywhere. At least then some of the bleeding hearts might finally pay attention to the truth you are speaking.
      • 5urr3al5am, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2bleeding hearts and truth?? they don't ever exist together.
  • Evermin7, on 07/16/2008, -22/+6He who has a strong enough why can bear almost any how.

    Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal.

    The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.


    • Claude1971, on 07/16/2008, -2/+12what?
    • artfiend77, on 07/16/2008, -1/+8Stop using babelfish.com for translating text.
    • rezonq3, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4Come on, his phrases aren't THAT hard to understand. They are philosophical. Open up a classical philosophy book once and a while and you'll really be confused.
  • sk11, on 07/16/2008, -22/+63Hitler himself would be proud of fox news.
    • FOcast, on 07/16/2008, -16/+3Godwin's law.
      • swrostmore, on 07/16/2008, -6/+7"As the length of a BBS Discussion increases, the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Hitler being invoked approaches 1"
      • robbh66, on 07/16/2008, -6/+3"Neocon" is the new "Naz"- at least on digg anyways.

        See the first comment.
      • MWeather, on 07/16/2008, -3/+7Neocons are the new Nazis, period.
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/16/2008, -3/+6Here's the ***** RIghtard Law:
        If you take tactics for abusing detainees from such groups as Nazis, you will compared to Nazis.
        If you abuse human beings without regard for their human rights, like Nazis did, you will be compared to Nazis.

        Do you need it phrased another way, or do you think you can figure that out?
        If it quacks, it will be compared to a duck.
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3@robbh66
        It's not just on digg.
      • Jexie, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4Godwin's law doesn't mean anything.
    • jezsik, on 07/16/2008, -1/+25Joseph Goebbels, actually. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "
    • anillop, on 07/16/2008, -3/+34 comments and already Goodwined thats pretty darn fast even for digg.
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    • Nezacant, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2How many times must we see the "cheese wheel" comment?
    • ziggygazzo, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1facepalm?
  • SmellyFingers, on 07/16/2008, -14/+1Oh Hai!
  • penguinsix, on 07/16/2008, -36/+54Wonder if the guy he killed with a grenade got any pain killers?
    • lpferris, on 07/16/2008, -19/+57ALLEGEDLY killed with a grenade.

      Innocent until proven guilty, anyone?
      • Wargalas, on 07/16/2008, -15/+23 [Omar]is in U.S. custody at Guantanamo Bay for his alleged role in an ambush of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan last summer. Omar is accused of lobbing the hand grenade that killed Sergeant First Class Christopher Speer, a 28-year-old medic with the U.S. Special Forces.

        “That wasn’t a panicky teen-ager we encountered that day,” Sergeant First Class Layne Morris of South Jordan, Utah, who lost his right eye in the ambush, told the Boston Globe last month. “That was a trained al-Qaida who wanted to make his last act on earth the killing of an American.”

        Speer left behind a wife and two children, ages 3 and 11 months. Just days before his murder, Speer had selflessly walked into a minefield to rescue two wounded Afghan children.

        http://michellemalkin.com/2005/02/10/the-story-beh ...

        I don't know about you, but I trust the word of SFC Morris over a CANADIAN TEENAGER WHO'S FIGHTING IN AFGHANISTAN.
      • madeingermany, on 07/16/2008, -1/+36And even if he is proven guilty: Killing a soldier in a war and torturing a war criminal are still very different things.
      • kalvinb, on 07/16/2008, -6/+14You're not innocent until proven guilty on the battlefield.

        You're on the battlefield or off the battlefield.

        The kid is lucky he wasn't just shot dead on sight like the soldiers had every right to do. You can't go on attack against an army and when they shoot back, whine about your right to a trial.
      • kayala, on 07/16/2008, -2/+15butbutbut, if we actually let him stand trial, he might be proven innocent and we'll have to release him! And THEN what'll happen? What kind of a world is this, where we release alleged criminals because they've been demonstrated innocent?
        /Laura Ingraham
        And, um, wargalas, try not linking to Michelle Malkin's site if you want to be taken seriously. She's a shrill attention whore and nothing else. Remember the time she ***** her pants over Rachel Ray's scarf?
      • Bravesguy18, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5@Wargalas
        Can you say indoctrinated? And the idea that a CANADIAN TEENAGER WHO'S FIGHTING IN AFGHANISTAN would be trusted with any kind of intelligence is laughable. We should bring his parents down to Gitmo instead.
      • stonebear, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1Not anymore, apparently.
      • gcnaddict, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4*sigh* look, if you're going to use the no-man's land excuse for war (killing someone on the field whom you think killed one of your comrades), that's fine. However, once an enemy is taken off the battlefield as a POW, there are rules which need to be followed as written in the Geneva Conventions. Quick read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Geneva_Conventi ...

        Geneva is the city in that country that, you know, never gets into any wars because they're always neutral (Switzerland, I think it's called). Never heard of it? Oh right, you guys read Malkin for news, so I guess even the Swiss aren't neutral.
      • Wargalas, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1@Kayala

        Try to read the article before you denounce anything please? It makes you look like a partisan hack. Michelle plainly links to direct news sources MSBNC and others. You know, home to your favorite guy Keith Olbermann.

      • Cepster, on 07/16/2008, -2/+0The Geneva convention applies only to uniformed soldiers battling under a unified banner. A 15 year old kid acting in guerilla warfare is in no way covered under the Geneva Convention.
      • DulcetTone, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2I am faaar more rightwing than most of Digg, but you're spot on that this kid has never been proven to have thrown that grenade. Even if he did, the grenade was thrown from within a firefight, and almost certainly not to kill a specific person.

        There are bad men in Gitmo. This kid seems to be guilty of being raised by manipulators who made him plant landmines. We need to refine our focus.

    • Wargalas, on 07/16/2008, -32/+16Notice how you're getting dugg down? Digg users don't empathize with real victims, only made up ones like this *****.
      • pweegar, on 07/16/2008, -8/+12Did you see the clip that was aired on world news on Tuesday evening? This ***** for brains pussy was "crying" to his lawyer. Even the lawyer sounded like he'd had enough of this pile of *****. He was 'crying" that his feet were missing. The lawyer responded that his feet were still at the end of his legs.

        The poor solider he killed (IMNSHO) didn't get anythig but dead. He's a ***** Prisoner of War, not a s imple criminal. He deserves nothing but a quick death.
      • psysop, on 07/16/2008, -2/+4Aww, I don't think you are made up.
      • EricSchC1, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4@ Wargalas: Obviously it hasn't occured to you those U.S. soldiers would still be alive or uninjured had there never been a war/invasion/occupation. If you support the war, there's as much U.S. servicemen's blood on your hands as any terrorist.
    • Scrappy1850, on 07/16/2008, -12/+26wow, somebody finally put it in the proper perspective. yes, it sucks to be this kid. he should not be in this situation, but he did what he did and now he has to deal with it. he didnt commit a crime, this was a battle. he is a POW.
      • jgzman, on 07/16/2008, -7/+141) Either he committed a crime, or it was a battle. Not both.
        2) It is illegal to torture POWs.
        3) There seems to be no hard proof that he did anything at all.
      • lhbaker, on 07/16/2008, -4/+8He isn't a POW. He's an 'enemy combatant.' He's also a child, a human, and somebody's son. He lives in a country which has been occupied by a foreign military for half of his life. It's likely, if not an absolute certainty, that uniformed American soldiers have killed somebody in his immediate family. I'm not sure how you can defend the comment that he shouldn't be in this situation, unless you mean we shouldn't ***** be there in the first place.
      • FamineMonk, on 07/16/2008, -1/+5If he's a POW then why aren't we treating him as such?
      • Scrappy1850, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1he is canadian. his family liveds in toronto, so i dont think us soldiers are bugging them there. children dont throw grenades on battlefields, soldiers do. he shouldnt be in that situation because he should be in canada watching troupe comedy while drinking maple syrup.
    • swrostmore, on 07/16/2008, -7/+33In February 2008, the Pentagon accidentally released documents that revealed that although Khadr was present during the firefight, there was no other evidence that he had thrown the grenade. In fact, military officials had originally reported that another of the surviving militants had thrown the grenade just before being killed. (Toronto Star)
      • Wargalas, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Link to the direct article?
      • Cepster, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1Why is the primary argument against the war on Iraq always that the pentagon "accidentally released documents". We never see the actual documents, or get an explanation how top government officials don't know how to not accidentally email highly confidential information. Please stop rebutting with the same ***** over and over
      • swrostmore, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1Jesus you guys are lazy. A google search for "Khadr toronto star" will do. Or a glance at the wikipedia article on Khadr, which is how I came across this information. (There is other information on wikipedia documenting that Khadr was aiding the enemy in Afghanistan, it's not really disputed - just the particular charge) Nobody is going to hold your hand, deny it if you want but it is on the public record.

        @Ceptster, you will never see the documents because they are evidence in a military tribunal trial. The document in question is the after-battle report from the firefight which was released to the military lawyer representing Khadr. It was not "accidentally" released, the accused has the right to see the evidence against him, even in a military tribunal. We know about it because it is part of the defense that Khadr's lawyer is using, and he spoke about it to the press. Remember, this is a military tribunal, and Khadr's lawyer is a Navy officer. I trust his word over yours.
    • JeffD, on 07/16/2008, -5/+25Its not like the guy he killed with a grenade wasn't also trying to kill him... these people should be treated like normal prisoners of war.
      • IMJGaltstill, on 07/16/2008, -4/+5The Geneva convention does just that. Fighting out of uniform is sufficient cause for execution.
    • SuperVepr308, on 07/16/2008, -21/+14Well said, my brother. ***** this murderer.
      • EricSchC1, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3The next time someone invades and wages war in your backyard and you retaliate, lets string your "murdering" ass up and torture you then too.
    • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -9/+29Some of these comments make me sick.

      What would we say if another country treated U.S prisioners of war like this? We would be up in arms.

      Whether or not the child killed a soldier is irrelevant, he deserves a fair trial and not to be tortured.

      Its basic ***** humanity.
      • Mightbiteyou, on 07/16/2008, -13/+8your right, we should keep it to cutting their heads off then releasing the video
      • Midtowner, on 07/16/2008, -4/+7REALLY??? What was the last country to treat American soldiers in a humane manner? Probably Germany. Other than that, Japan beheaded them (and in many cases ate them), Vietnam tortured them. Under Hussein during Persian Gulf #1, our boys just disappeared.

      • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -6/+5I find it funny that some of you people revere members of the Taliban and Al-Queda and whoever else wants to kill Americans with such high esteem...

        "basic ***** humanity" goes out the window with Al-Queda and the Taliban...they have no humanity...they are self-righteous animals with no respect for human life other than their own and those that swear to allah (of course, this doesn't include females). So no, I don't give a ***** if this guy was tortured, deprived of meds, or anything. ***** him. Show respect and you will be respected back.
      • TracerBulletNPI, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3Steve
        That's a dangerous path. It boils down to one simple truth. We're no better than those you speak of if we allow humanity to 'go out the window'...
      • FamineMonk, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2I'm sure the British were pretty pissed when "terrorist" started killing people in 1775.

        I'm not saying saying the Taliban or Al-Queda are justifed in there actions but there are two sides to every story.

        And yes they still are humans and deserve to be treated as such.

        To do otherwise would lower us to there level.
      • nickbertovich, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3tracer, do you think Steve gives a ***** about being better than those he is insulting? He's an American.
      • EricSchC1, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2@ stevetrojanman: No, basic ***** humanity went out the window when we invaded and went to war with a country that had nothing to ***** do with 9/11 or any other terrorist acts against the U.S.
      • fohktor, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2@stevetrojanman

        I don't think that any (or at least very few) of the people posting here hold the Taliban or Al-Queda with high esteem. I think it's pretty clear that they're a bunch of a$$holes, to say the least.

        It's that WE'RE supposed to be the good guys. I love this country and that's why I personally get furious about our methods of detention and treatment of "illegal combatants".

        Your argument is basically "they're bad so we can be bad". I just don't buy that. If not for anything more sophisticated than simply for the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right".
      • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2"your right, we should keep it to cutting their heads off then releasing the video"

        So what then would separate us from terrorists? You really want to sink to their level?

        Some wise dude said if you took an eye for an eye soon the world would be blind. Seems to me he was on to something...
      • TracerBulletNPI, on 07/18/2008, -0/+0@Nick

        Well, clearly he doesn't, but then, I'm an American....
    • evilesttoast, on 07/16/2008, -5/+19I'm against torturing war criminals, but not wearing a uniform as a combatant is also against the Geneva convention. Its a messed up situation...
      • Apocrypha, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3Ahem, so is using child soldiers. Because they are vulnerable and manipulated into things they have no real understanding of.
      • feoren, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2It wouldn't matter whether he was wearing a uniform or not, because we're not calling this a war anyway and therefore don't have to follow the Geneva Convention. Pretty ***** sick.
    • Ransack, on 07/16/2008, -4/+6He didnt kill anyone with a grenade. The soldiers shot and killed the man who thru the grenade, and then covered up that fact.
      • Midtowner, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3Source?
      • Ransack, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3Here is the source.
        http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/2008/02/new_witnes ...
      • Midtowner, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1Let's assume that's true. We drop the murder charge, but we still have conspiracy to commit murder. We also have high treason.

        It all stacks up to a life sentence regardless of what happens (under Canadian law).
      • FamineMonk, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3Then feel free to process him thru the legal system and let him rot in jail, doing otherwise is an affront to the American way of life.

        I see nothing wrong with terrorist getting every punishment they deserve but when we start holding people without charging them and with out a way to challenge that imprisonment is when the very system that america is built upon falls apart.
      • Ransack, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3How is being brought by your parents to a terrorist camp become "conspiracy to commit murder"? He was 15 years old, he was brought there, and there is ***no evidence*** he ever tried to kill anyone.
      • feoren, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Midtowner, then all American soldiers should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, too. High treason? He was fighting FOR his country.
      • Midtowner, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1@Ransack -- he was captured on the battlefield after his comrades killed an American soldier. If that's not evidence of conspiracy, I don't know what is. No one, not even his lawyers have argued he was there against his will.

        @feoren -- the kid's parents are Egyptians. The kid is a Canadian subject. How is Afghanistan his country? He was fighting AGAINST (see, I can use big letters as well) American soldiers who were DEPLOYED ALONGSIDE Canadian soldiers in the same theater and for the same purpose.
    • Apocrypha, on 07/16/2008, -2/+8I wonder if there is any credible proof this manipulated child ever even threw a grenade? I think there is not.
      • Midtowner, on 07/16/2008, -2/+4It really doesn't matter -- in Canada, he is either guilty of murder or high treason. Either of those two will add up to a life sentence.

  • brainscab, on 07/16/2008, -11/+18Cindy McCain stole all the pain killers
  • jacquesm, on 07/16/2008, -18/+2wir haben es nicht gewuSSt....
  • RajDhillon, on 07/16/2008, -12/+20I said it before and I'll say it again, I love fox news.

    Right from it's unbiased political coverage to it's hatred for children.
  • Wartyboskfapped, on 07/16/2008, -13/+26They have no self-awareness. A media outlet run by sociopaths and morons.
  • KenSPT, on 07/16/2008, -6/+7I didn't know John Locke worked for Fox News ...
  • diggstown, on 07/16/2008, -6/+18Would you be as upset if he was 18?
    • pweegar, on 07/16/2008, -18/+415, 18, what ever, a hand grenade is still a deadly weapon that takes very little training. This "boy" is nothing but a ***** terrorist. He deserves EVERYTHING he gets. Die you pussy bastard.
      • medfreak, on 07/16/2008, -2/+16Remind me not to care when one of your "soldiers" gets captured and tortured in the inevitable future.
      • kayala, on 07/16/2008, -2/+8Don't get your panties in a twist until we've actually determined if it was this kid who threw the grenade. God, some people are so ***** gullible. It's like Pavlovian conditioning: just say the words "enemy combatant" and you get them jumping and shrieking like caged monkeys.
    • feoren, on 07/17/2008, -1/+215, 18, 37. Boy, girl, transsexual. Afghani, American, Bolivian. Yes, I would be as upset. They are torturing people without any evidence, for defending their country, and Fox news says they deserve it. Absolutely disgusting. We idolize the French underground freedom fighters for doing the exact same kind of thing against the Nazis when they occupied France. How brave they were! Let's make movies out of them! Oh wait, an Afghani is doing it, AGAINST US!? TORTURE HIM FOREVER!
  • serif69, on 07/16/2008, -19/+10Who let Think Progress into the World News section? Buried for bias. Fox News is sensationalist and retarded, but so is Think Progress.
    • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4Haha...the fact that you got buried for that comment shows the ineptitude of some digg posters. I guess criticizing fox news is not as important or severe as criticizing anything with a liberal bias here on digg.

      Liberal marching orders received, sir!
  • chrissku, on 07/16/2008, -10/+21Anyone who takes Fox News serious is either retarded or works in the Bush administration. (Or maybe a little of both?)
    • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2Anyone who takes thinkprogress seriously is either retarded or is part of the Obama cult.
    • SweatyGooch, on 07/16/2008, -0/+0I never understood people like this,

      It's like they hate them so much, that they can't live without 'em. Just look at how many articles and comments are anti-Fox News.. it's really pathetic. We get it, you hate them more than anything. Move on with your lives!

      And please just because I said that doesn't mean I'm 'defending' them. I'm not. I've watched them, don't like them, but the things people say about them are just absurd.. it's like they only say these things to 'fit in' with the local community.
  • iamthearm, on 07/16/2008, -10/+5Acording to "reports." What does that mean? I wonder how many terrorists will say, whatever you want them to say, to make the US look bad. They all know they will be believed no matter what they say.
    • jezsik, on 07/16/2008, -2/+8I wonder how many Fox "reporters" will say whatever the Republicans want them to say to make the US look righteous. They know they will be believed by their viewers no matter what they say.

      See how that works?
    • pweegar, on 07/16/2008, -8/+2Ain't that the truth. So they get tortured with hot meals, showers, clean clothes, and a place to sleep. Real bad torture. The scum need to be really tortured. I have absolutely no sympathy for these terrorist killers.
  • kingjam, on 07/16/2008, -23/+12Got what he deserved.
    • lhbaker, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3If we're ever invaded by another country, and you are standing near somebody who throws a grenade at a soldier of said army, and you are captured, I hope they cut your ***** off.
    • kingjam, on 07/16/2008, -2/+1I dont have *****...so no problem. Bitch
  • Chronictrees, on 07/16/2008, -29/+24He threw a grenade that killed a U.S soldier... He deserves worse.
    • Diran, on 07/16/2008, -8/+13Not only that, IED materials were found that he had taken part in producing, 5 in all I think it was.
      • pweegar, on 07/16/2008, -8/+6Hmm. I have an idea. Let's put him in a room, toss in a hand grenade. Let it explode next to him. If he lives, with all his body parts intact, he's innocent and we'll send his ass back to where ever he wants to go, or who ever will take him.

        While we're at it, lets do the same with all the stinking liberals who think this piece of ***** is the victim.
    • The_Wallbanger, on 07/16/2008, -5/+11If true, the captured child would have received more humane treatment in any other past war fought by Americans. Something our country used to be proud of.
    • nullcodes, on 07/16/2008, -2/+11Is there a single witness or piece of evidence other than a statement under toture to prove that? If so, why hasnt he been convicted or at least charged already?

      Seriously I'm asking .. cause I can't find that info.
      • Egoist, on 07/16/2008, -3/+2There are the videos of him working with explosives and planting landmines. That plus he was with his Dad, who was an insurgent, in a shack with other insurgents surrounded by weaponry and explosives.

        The anti-American crowd loves to forget that part.

        His Wikipedia page looks to be pretty updated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
    • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -3/+18"He threw a grenade that killed a U.S soldier... He deserves worse."

      1) He allegedy did that. Give him a trial or treat him as a prisoner of war.

      2) Either way no-one deserves to be tortured.
      • Midtowner, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Agreed on the torture part, but whether he killed anyone really doesn't matter as to what his sentence was. Under Canadian law, conspiring against the soldiers of a country your own country is allied with in a military action amounts to high treason -- a life sentence.

      • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Then put on on trial.
    • jgoodstein, on 07/16/2008, -2/+6waht about the american that killed someone elses with his grenade, does that human life mean more then his or yours & mine for that matter. He got captured and should be treated as a POW. Next your going to cry about how god chooses our side. :Face meet palm:
    • lhbaker, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3The same law that prevents our government from torturing others prevents them from torturing you.
  • lybrel, on 07/16/2008, -9/+2that's just sick
  • nastronomical, on 07/16/2008, -14/+15I wonder if he regretted killing that guy and or provided him with medical care?
    • pweegar, on 07/16/2008, -8/+2You mean medical care in the form of spitting on him, maybe kicking the poor solider to see if he's still alive? THAT kind of care? Probably, but no other care like he's getting.
    • Ransack, on 07/16/2008, -4/+8He didnt kill anyone. The evidence is strongly in his favour. Thats why they are refusing him a fair trial.
    • kayala, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4I wonder if he killed that guy?
  • kalvinb, on 07/16/2008, -22/+24What happens to a 15 year old who shoots at cops and kills one or two?

    The only thing this kid is sorry about is that he got captured and was pulled away from his terrorist friends he was fighting with.

    He's lucky he wasn't shot dead on the battlefield.

    His little cry fest reminds me of Cartman.
    • Francky, on 07/16/2008, -5/+23What would happen ? Simple, he would go to jail, AFTER A TRIAL.
      Not be tortured for Years without due process.
      • kalvinb, on 07/16/2008, -9/+8No, when you shoot at a cop they shoot you dead on sight. There is no trial.

        Soldiers have every right to kill anyone who attacks them on sight.

        For whatever reason, even after the little ***** killed a soldier, they captured him instead of killing him. And now he wants to cry like a baby. If the soldiers could do it over again, he'd probably be a corpse.
    • sodade, on 07/16/2008, -3/+4"He's lucky he wasn't shot dead on the battlefield."

      ***** that - I'd much rather be shot dead than tortured. Death is peace.
    • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -3/+7Cop killers are not at war. He was in a war zone.

      So it's ok for american soldiers to kill foreign nationals but not the other way round?

      If an american soldier was being treated like this kid, what would you be saying? "Lucky he wasnt shot on the battlefield"?
      • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -3/+1No, I wouldn't be saying that because as evidenced by videos that the people we're fighting against have made, our men would be tortured and then have their heads cut off...

        I could give a ***** what happens to this piece of crap...he decided to fight like a man, he gets to pay the consequences...treat him with the same respect they treat our captured soldiers...none.
      • cdahlkvist, on 07/16/2008, -3/+1You're right. Instead, we should treat this kid like captured American soldiers are treated.

        Let's slowly cut off his head on television then drag his body through the streets.
      • earful, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1I know that when I think about what I want America to be I look to terrorists for inspiration.
    • Ransack, on 07/16/2008, -0/+8He was shot, at close range, in the back while he crouched on the ground. The man who threw the grenade was executed by the US soldiers, and they were about to execute the child as well, but decided not to.
      • artfuldodga, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1He was shot in the back
      • DulcetTone, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Reading the WIkipedia page (fairly extensive on this firefight), he may well have been shot the first time when the shooter could not see what was down the alley. As described there, I can't fault someone for shooting him whichever way he was facing, but I don't think his posture at the time of his put-down shooting indicates much about whether he'd thrown the grenade.

        I'm inclined to think the man in there with him may have thrown the grenade? Why? I don't know. But it is a far reach to say the boy definitely did.

  • deathsythe, on 07/16/2008, -17/+23An enemy combatant is still an enemy combatant.


    I would like all of you to go speak with the mothers and widows of soldiers who were gunned down when a child pulled an AK on them and they were too stunned to react - or they spent too much time debating shooting him because they would be crucified back home for doing so.

    The enemy will not discriminate based on age, gender, race, or religion.

    War is no longer clean cut - our enemies don't wear colors distinguishing themselves from civilians. They hide among them. That is their strength.

    Our failure to recognize this and react accordingly is our weakness.
    • The_Wallbanger, on 07/16/2008, -2/+10To torture or not? Is it better that America be feared or loved?

      Win a war with one hand tied behind your back and you will be both feared AND loved. That's the American way.
      • jpop, on 07/16/2008, -3/+1No, you'll be despised for being weak and depending on technology. A "If they didn't have better weapons we'd have defeated them" mentality.
    • pintomp3, on 07/16/2008, -7/+14why don't you go speak with the mothers and widows of innocent iraqis who have been killed by our bombs and private contractors? you seem to forget WE INVADED THEIR COUNTRY. if china invaded the US, you can bet i will be trying to kill as many of their soldiers as it takes to get them out of here.
      • Midtowner, on 07/16/2008, -3/+2Actually, very few of the people fighting the coalition forces in Afghanistan are actually from Afghanistan. Most are from Pakistan or other parts of the Middle East, and in this case Canada, by way of Egypt. "Their country" implies that somehow Afghanistan belongs to Egyptian Arab expatriots living in Canada. Kind of absurd, isn't it?
    • JeffD, on 07/16/2008, -1/+13So why don't you treat them like PoWs then?
    • sodade, on 07/16/2008, -1/+12No, our "weakness" is getting US soldiers into a ***** stupid situation where the enemy is comprised of marginalized people like children throwing grenades. This ***** doesn't happen in an "honorable" endeavor.

      Maybe if US foreign policy wasn't designed to empower extremists, our soldiers would be reserved for honorable purpose (like actually defending this country) instead of supporting corporate imperialism like we have been doing for the last 60 years.
      • deathsythe, on 07/16/2008, -8/+1"supporting corporate imperialism "

        I suppose you feel that we went in for Oil then? is that it?


        Then could you explain to me why gas is $4 a gallon?
      • deathsythe, on 07/16/2008, -8/+1"supporting corporate imperialism "

        I suppose you believe that we went in for Oil then? Is that it?

        Then maybe you could explain to me why gas is $4 a gallon.
      • Wartyboskfapped, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2The gas price is because the Bush Admin couldn't organize a kegger in a brewery car park. They thought Iraq would be a cakewalk. Because they are incompetents. That's why.
      • FuzzyDustBall, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1Oil is $4 dollars a gallon because we didn't go in for the Oil to give to the American populace. We went in for the Oil Companies that are connected to Saudi that can now charge $4 a gallon, and now that they are fat and bloated from that hike will divide up the oil fields in Iraq and rake in more money.
      • sodade, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2Educate yourself: http://digg.com/politics/US_Intervention_in_Iran
    • TrevorBradley, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3Sorry, what's an "enemy combatant" again? Oh right, it's that made up term so you could do whatever the ***** you wanted to to prisoners and ignore the Geneva convention.
      • natenovs, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1an "enemy combatant" is someone who does not fall under the soldier category in the Geneva convention. in this case, not being a part of an army, not properly identifying yourself as part of an army.

        we declared war on the taliban government - and he is a citizen of Canada fighting in civilian clothes, therefor when he kills a Coalition soldier it is an act of murder that falls under no known jurisdiction.
      • TrevorBradley, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1ALLEGEDLY fighting. ALLEGEDLY killing. This story has bad holes in it that don't justify letting him go, but DEMAND putting him on trial to hear the evidence.

        Imprisonment without fair trial is inhuman. I don't care what labels you want to throw on a human being to make your actions "just". This thing you are doing is wrong. Stop it.
    • lhbaker, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3"War is no longer clean cut - our enemies don't wear colors distinguishing themselves from civilians. They hide among them. That is their strength."

      What, like we wear hunter-safety orange uniforms so they can tell us from the dirt? We were camoflage to HIDE from the enemy. They were what they wear to HIDE from us. Also, they ***** LIVE THERE, and we don't.
      • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -3/+2So do you think if America was attacked that our soldiers would hide amongst the civilians?

        You act as if it's something they needed to do...it was a concious effort on their part to hide amongst their civilians because they know that you whiny liberals would cry and complain about the "atrocities". You libs are being played like fiddles by these people and they are laughing about it. They don't give a ***** about their innocents dying because they're told if an American can die because of it, it's ok.

        They're cowards...and I feel bad for non-combatants that die...but the ones we're trying to kill are at least partly to blame.
      • deathsythe, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1To add to what stevetrojanman said - it is because of their actions that non-combatants cannot be considered non-combatants anymore. Their despicable guerrilla tactics have caused this. Not to say that it doesn't work for them though, war is hell - there is no way around that. I wouldn't expect them to abide by the rules of war that made it a gentleman's game back in the 1800s. They are actually smart for doing that - they know we will not stoop to that level - and they know we will have an issue with what they are doing.

        A soldier is not going to shoot a woman or a child until they absolutely have to.

        Unfortunately - by the time they have to it is often too late.
    • earful, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3"War is no longer clean cut"

      It wasn't in Vietnam either.
      • deathsythe, on 07/16/2008, -2/+2They didn't get it then, and they still don't get it now.


        The only thing that will make them get it is actually being there- but they are too busy blogging about how they hate the government from their macbooks in Starbucks. And they have the gall to call people like us 'unpatriotic'.
      • lhbaker, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3deathstythe: So you've already served? I only ask because you use the term 'them' to define people who haven't been there. I've served. So really, what about you? Are you a patriot?
    • feoren, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2I would like you go back in time 65 years and speak with the mothers and widows of Nazi soldiers who were killed in the exact same way by French insurgents during the German occupation of France in WWII. It's nice to make "the enemy" seem faceless and cold by saying they won't discriminate against age, race, gender or religion (right, this guy would have bombed a 12 year old female Afghani Muslim? ***** off, you tool) but it turns out you're just full of *****.
  • artfuldodga, on 07/16/2008, -9/+11Khadr, deserves to be freed from the US and locked up somewhere more suitable in Canada, there is no disputing the fact that he was a child soldier, working as what most consider a "terrorist", he is a victim of this f*cked up world we live in today
    • Wargalas, on 07/16/2008, -10/+7He is a victim of nothing. He threw a grenade that killed someone and injured another, defending people who murdered 3,000 Americans. He deserves worse.
      • SpyDerMann, on 07/16/2008, -1/+10As opposed to an American whose delussions of grandeur made him murder millions in Iraq?
      • artfuldodga, on 07/16/2008, -1/+9Yes, 14-16 year old kids surely know the consequences of their actions, growing up living among extremists surely had no effect on Khadr, he did what he did because he knew it was right... /sarcasm
      • kayala, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5How, wargalas, did you determine this? Were you there, did you see it? I haven't heard much substantial evidence so far to suggest he was actually the one who threw the grenade. This, folks, is what nationalism does to people: it turns them into feverish slaves whose fury can be turned on and off like a water faucet. They don't ask for evidence or facts, they just do whatever their masters tell them to do. It's disgusting.
      • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1@kayala

        Kind of sounds like the liberal movement too...you know...with the whole "America can do no right" mentality...

        There are two sides to the coin.
      • Wargalas, on 07/16/2008, -2/+1@kayala

        I'm going off of eyewitness accounts. Perhaps you should actually read up on it. SFC Morris, a man who lost his right eye in the blast, points the finger directly at Omar. THAT'S how I come to that determination.
      • DulcetTone, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1But he also blamed the injury on a misfire of his own weapon. Are you saying his second interpretation of the event was more clear than his initial one?

        I'm not saying the kid didn't throw the grenade. I'm saying there's no proof he did that would pass a civilian criminal court, as there was another man in that alley and no one seems to have seen the grenade being thrown.
      • kayala, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1DulcetTone beat me to it; there's no evidence that would stand up in court. This is a problem; you've made an extremely premature conclusion based on one witness account. Not to mention you think that torture is going to accomplish something, as if this kid was working for an extremely inept terrorist faction that thought it wise to entrust all their secrets with a teenager. Think, won't you?
    • pweegar, on 07/16/2008, -8/+3You are so full of ***** that it's not even funny. He's a ***** terrorist. PERIOD. He deserves to die. He's no victim in ANY strech of the imagination. I bet no one FORCED him to be a terrorist. They do it because they hate America and FREEDOM.


      Damn, liberals make me ill. You all should go live in a ***** hole like Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, etc. Then maybe you would appreciate what the USA is trying to do.
      • artfuldodga, on 07/16/2008, -0/+9You make us equally as ill.
      • StaticThunder, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6Yeah, you get to judge who lives and dies.
      • kayala, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6Oh, ***** you. I think you lost all your credibility right around "They do it because they hate America and FREEDOM." Do you hear yourself when you talk? Do you really? Think about what you're saying before you open your mouth, champ.
      • oxymoron69, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4Nobody but the USA appreciates what the USA is trying to do.
        Maybe instead of worrying about killing folks in all the '***** holes' around the world, you should get your soldiers back to the USA... and start killing folks there... Start with florida.

        You'd do the world a great service.
    • DryMaltExtract, on 07/16/2008, -5/+0Yeah, let's bring him back to Canada! The place where we let those involved in the Air India bombing go free.
    • nickbertovich, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Typical Ameri-centric nutjob. Keep fighting for freedom from the comfort of your keyboard.
  • FredFredrickson, on 07/16/2008, -11/+21Completely disgusting that, not only is our country actively kidnapping people and torturing them, we do absolutely nothing to stop it. We've apparently even got people who support it, and push those views on national TV.

    It's all going to be fine and dandy until it happens to you. Just wait.
    • bincoder, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1I guess it could happen to me, if I go around tossing grenades at people. I correct that small issue by not doing that.
      Freedom doesn't mean act like an idiot and do whatever the hell you want to do. In the real world there is no kindly gradeschool teacher that is going to forgive and forget anything and everything you do without question and then pat you on the back saying 'good boy, now lets have cookies and read a nice book'.
      This guy doesn't deserve jail, he deserves execution.
  • pell, on 07/16/2008, -14/+9Maybe I am cold but if harshly interrogating an enemy has the potential of saving a soldiers life in the future, I am all for it. Would you prefer them say "Please sir, could you kindly tell me where your friends are, if not that is ok too!".
    • pintomp3, on 07/16/2008, -1/+10except you end up getting bad intel. the person will only tell you what you want to hear so you will stop the torture.
    • Zuggy, on 07/16/2008, -1/+9Torture is bad for both parties.

      Do you know anything?
      no
      *waterboarded*
      do you know anything?
      yes they are going to attack san fransisco
      *investigation takes place in san fran*
      Nuke goes off in New York because the tortured person didnt really know anything
    • macweirdo42, on 07/16/2008, -2/+6You're not only cold, but also mind-bogglingly stupid if you actually think that "harsh interrogations" work.
    • roystgnr, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6I'd much prefer that we treat prisoners of war humanely. Not just because it's the moral thing to do, or because gaining prisoners' trust can get them to volunteer useful information, but because it has the potential of saving soldiers' lives in the future.

      "One interviewer of World War II POWs told me that German soldiers repeatedly told him that relatives with World War I combat experience had advised, "Be brave, join the infantry, and surrender to the first American you see." The American reputation for fair play and respect for human life had survived over generations, and the decent actions of American soldiers in World War I had saved the lives of many soldiers in World War II." - Grossman, "On Killing"

      So much for that reputation now. Maybe we ought to just start mass-producing thumbscrews, if that's all "America" still means.
      • jpop, on 07/16/2008, -2/+2Funny how it didn't really turn out the same the other way around isn't it? We're the "nice guys" in WWII, and they turn around and toss our guys in concentration camps or shoot them...
      • macweirdo42, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1@jpop
        Yeah, and look who won... Just sayin'.
    • mnemy, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5Yet if the enemy does it to one of your soldiers that it captures, it's a war crime.
    • ph1sh55, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4Way to frame the options in a false scenario..
      There's numerous interrogation techniques that don't involve torture, and they aren't about asking please. Is your knowledge of interrogation techniques limited to episodes of 24?
  • TomT223, on 07/16/2008, -17/+9I don't give a ***** if he was 15. He deserved it.
    • pintomp3, on 07/16/2008, -3/+7he deserves a fair trial, like everyone else.
  • shitforbrains, on 07/16/2008, -12/+12I think Bill O'Reilly 'maybe deserves' to be waterboarded for a few days.
    • fleischner, on 07/16/2008, -6/+6Really? Because he said something you didn't agree with? Is that the liberal rule: "torture" people who have different thoughts than you?

      I'm being rhetorical, of course. Because I know the answer is yes.
      • Wartyboskfapped, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4If you look at the comments in this thread, it appears to be the Republican way to torture people who are different from you.
      • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1@Warty...

        If you look at the comment made by ***** (his words, not mine), it would appear that it is also the liberal way as well...

        Nice attempt to throw it back at republicans though
      • shitforbrains, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1You guys are way too easy on me. I really think that Bill O'Reilly 'maybe deserves' to be butt ***** by an moose for a month or so. I was being genteel for the ladies. :-)

        Oh and it's not because he disagrees with me, its because he lies, he's an abuser of women, and he appears to have no conscience. As opposed to me, because although I think that 'maybe he deserves' (their words not mine) punishment, I'd never actually do it.
  • MastDane, on 07/16/2008, -20/+14I'm 16.

    When i was 15 i knew killing was wrong.

    Hell, i knew it when i was 8.

    Hang the bastard.
    • jezsik, on 07/16/2008, -2/+8And how did you feel about foreigners invading your country? Did you think that was right or wrong? If you thought it was wrong, would you think it right or wrong to defend your country? This is NOT a black and white issue.
    • NeoMatrixJR, on 07/16/2008, -4/+0The problem isn't so much if he's guilty or not, or even what to do with him eventually. People are all upset over what *was* done (torture). As far as I'm concerned; if they're terrorists, they should be terrorized right back. They believe if they die for their cause all's well...then make it they don't want to run the risk of being caught! Terrorize them into stopping. Hell...if we gotta, DROP A ***** NUKE! That oughtta scare the fight out of them...worked with Japan! Put and end to all this, bring our soldiers home to their families and FIX *THIS* damn country first!!!
    • Cayfox, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6I'm going to guess that when you were 15, you weren't living in a war zone, eyeball to eyeball with foreign occupiers.
    • TrevorBradley, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3Hey! That MastDane! He killed my friend! He threw a grenade at him and he died!

      What, there was another dead guy there, and MastDane was wounded and incapacitated by the time we found him? Irrelevant! Lock him up! We'll work out the details later.. a few years in a cage should teach him a lesson.
    • earful, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Society doesn't allow minors to make their own decisions; we shouldn't punish them for their decisions either. Unless you want 8-year-olds driving, smoking cigarettes, drinking beer … and voting. Maybe I take that back. There may not be that much difference between an 8-year-old and the average American voter after all.
  • marvin69, on 07/16/2008, -8/+10A 15 year old can kill you as fast as a 40 year old. Infact "kids" can be better killers than "grown-ups"
    • pintomp3, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3seriously. let's just start blowing up all the schools, since those kids can kill you really fast too.
    • TrevorBradley, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3Irrelevant. Let that evidence be presented at a fair trial.
  • swrostmore, on 07/16/2008, -1/+19Khadr is the son of an Islamist militant.

    In February 2008, the Pentagon accidentally released documents that revealed that although Khadr was present during the firefight, there was no other evidence that he had thrown the grenade. In fact, military officials had originally reported that another of the surviving militants had thrown the grenade just before being killed. (Toronto Star)
  • Idiggapony, on 07/16/2008, -6/+9I wonder if maybe every single HuffPo or ThinkProgress article doesn't have to be #1 at digg.com within five minutes of its appearance on the internet? It seems to me that the folks who want to read them already know where to find them: at HuffPo and ThinkProgress.


  • brownanimal, on 07/16/2008, -16/+3All liberals suck. Kid deservers to die, crying for his mommy WAH WAH WAH little bomb thrower is crying
  • marvin69, on 07/16/2008, -7/+13The real question is WHERE IS HIS PARENTS!!!!!
    I'm sick and tried of parents today letting their kids run free on a battle field.
    Didn't the notice all of the bomb making material in his room? Didn't they learn anything from Columbine?
    • MaddieCakes, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6His dad is dead, his mother was there. The mom said they went to Afghanistan to help people, not to fight.
      • jpop, on 07/16/2008, -4/+1Help build bombs?
      • DulcetTone, on 07/16/2008, -0/+0Those bombs don't build themselves, ya know!
      • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Oh come on, his mom knew exactly why his terrorist supporting father took his son there.

        She just lives in Canada and doesn't want people hassling her.
    • evilesttoast, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3Is father was a militant. Thats probably who he learned it from.
    • lhbaker, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Yeah, why wasn't he at home watching TV like other kids? Oh yeah, we bombed the power plants.
    • Bravesguy18, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2I can't believe you are getting dugg. Nothing you said is based on any kind of fact. It is a spelling nightmare. And relating this event to Columbine made me cry.
    • Teelar, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1His parents are known Al Quada sympathizers, who knew Bin Laden personally, or so says NPR.
  • diggydougie, on 07/16/2008, -5/+12Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty" and the right to not incriminate yourself. Until proven guilty, you are NOT a criminal. If you choose not to talk it is also your right. And the government has no right to abuse you until convicted. I suppose that once sentenced the picture changes. THEN you can kill him. But not before.
    • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -3/+2Do you not understand that you're comparing a wartime battlefield to other, non-comparable crimes? Do you understand how they're not the same thing? And do you understand that the LAW recognizes that they're not the same thing, too?
      • TrevorBradley, on 07/16/2008, -2/+2Irrelevant. Americas treatment of child combatants is repugnant, regardless of the laws on the books. You're giving free license for your own children to be treated this way.
      • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2"Irrelevant."

        If you find FACTS irrelevant, sure. Me, I like to deal with facts when I discuss complex issues. You might want to try to do the same.

        "You're giving free license for your own children to be treated this way."

        Does the name John Walker Lindh ring any bells for you?
      • NickFury, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1And what crime - battlefield or no - did he commit? Look, he may or may not be guilty of doing something, but he hasn't been given a trial to decide either way. He was a child found in the wrong place and your are ASSUMING that he is guilty of something, because he was in a "wartime battlefield" (which isn't a crime in and of itself), which also happens to be where the people he was with actually live, and where his father left him.
      • diggydougie, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1On the battlefield the issues are settled with a bullet. Not torture. Also, by the way, we never declared war with anybody. So we have no business on any battlefields. Congress authorized military action, but no declaration of war was ever made. The last declared war was WWII. Everything since has been unconstitional. But that doesn't stop anyone. I think that we don't declare the wars because it would put the US in legal hot water with treaties like the geneva convention.
  • mnemy, on 07/16/2008, -5/+15Kid was defending what he thought was important, as was the American soldier. Yet if the rolls were reversed and an 15 yr old American was being held and tortured by the enemy, you hypocrites would be lighting the torches and sharpening the pitchforks.

    We're all human beings. The same kid, if born and raise in America, would probably be your typical HS boy. It's the mentality that "We are just, and you are evil" that cause all these problems in the first place.
    • SystematicChaos, on 07/16/2008, -7/+2Well, good thing we don't have to worry about that as we don't let 15 year-olds in the military.

      And it's "roles"..not "rolls."
    • jpop, on 07/16/2008, -4/+3No, I think they'd be blaming the kid actually. Saying things like he's an American so he deserves it, etc.
    • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -2/+4"Yet if the rolls were reversed and an 15 yr old American was being held and tortured by the enemy, you hypocrites would be lighting the torches and sharpening the pitchforks."

      We wouldn't have to worry about this scenario, considering that the people we are fighting wouldn't hold him captive, they would get a camera, film themselves beheadeding the kid, and upload it to the Internet as a "message."

      And have you already forgotten John Walker Lindh, an American citizen who fought on the other side? This boy was not coddled or treated any differently, nor did Americans demand that he be given special treatment. He was treated like what he was: a capture enemy soldier.
      • TrevorBradley, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1So that makes what's been done to Khadr just?
      • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1He's a battlefield combatant who was captured while fighting American soldiers. He is now being held with other battlefield combatants who were captured while fighting American soldiers.

        I'm sorry, where's the part that is supposed to fill me with outrage?
      • NickFury, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2How about the part where they haven't actually figured out what he was doing there but figure it's ok to abuse him anyway. The pro-torture crowd seems to enjoy making amazing leaps of logic, assuming that because someone was captured in or near where a firefight took place that everyone involved must be a "terrorist" or "enemy combatant" or whatever the latest cute label is.

        The fact that numerous people at Gitmo have been found innocent seems to make no difference.

        Khadr may be guilty, but he may be innocent, but either way he, or anyone for that matter, deserves a trial to find out because - get this - it's WRONG to incarcerate people until they have been found guilty of something, let alone abuse or torture them.
    • Teelar, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Such sympathy for our enemies. What an enlightened person you want us to think.
  • nullcodes, on 07/16/2008, -4/+12Nobody knows if he threw the grenade or not, from what I understand he made a statement to that effect under torture to end the torture. I could be wrong .. but I haven't heard evidence otherwise. Does anyone else know whether his information is backed up by even one single witness or evidence? If it was he'd be charged and convicted by now.

    Guilty until proven innocent?

    Are there any un-tortured witnesses to corroborate what he said while being tortured?

    Furthermore, he was only in the country because his Dad took him there.
  • pintomp3, on 07/16/2008, -8/+7the chickenhawk neocons are out in full force.
    • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5Yep, all part of McCain's propaganda team.
      • pintomp3, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4they've gotta earn their mccain action center points somehow.
    • stevetrojanman, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1I find it funny that with maybe 10-15 conservatives posting on this thread that you can say "the chickenhawk neocons are out in full force"...

      God forbid you have a slight bit of balance on an open forum...I mean...I know it's not the liberal way to allow speech that opposes your viewpoint, but *****, get a clue...

      The flowerpicking hippie liberals are always out in full force here on digg
  • chicofaraby, on 07/16/2008, -7/+14This boy was never convicted of any crime. He never had a trial. He is guilty of nothing.

    Torture is a crime. When are the indictments coming for THOSE crimes?
    • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -7/+2"This boy was never convicted of any crime. He never had a trial."

      This is a war incident, not a domestic dispute down on Maple Street. You don't go to trial with enemy soldier. There is no "conviction." You capture them and hold them until such time as the conflict is over or you're made arrangements with their leaders.

      The people crying over this as if it should be treated like an everyday crime are foolish.
      • chicofaraby, on 07/16/2008, -2/+7Then the USA tortures prisoners of war. That's a crime too.
      • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -4/+1"Then the USA tortures prisoners of war. That's a crime too."

        It may very well prove to be. With the world watching, I'm quite sure if war crimes were committed they will be addressed, as would be appripriate.

        What does that have to do with this story, and your incorrect assertions?

        Or was your follow-up simply a case of, "Yeah, but ... but ... look at what HE did?" Because it sure reads that way.
      • chicofaraby, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2I made no incorrect assertions.

        Denying that torture has something to do with this story is ... goofy. WTF are you thinking? My point is that boy was taken, held, and tortured illegally in the first place. He needs to be released instantly and compensated for his illegal kidnapping by the USA.

        The Bush administration contends that he is not a prisoner of war. If that is the case, he should have been charged with a crime or released YEARS ago. If that is NOT the case, then he cannot be tried, since he is a prisoner of war. Nor can he be tortured.

        Any way you look at this case, the USA is wrong and has broken our own laws. Why are people like you and Fox News trying to defend torture and crimes?
    • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1"Yes your honor, we are suing for 30 million Canadian dollars because after fighting for terrorists this poor child had his life saved by Americans who then didn't let him sleep enough"

      Hope they put that one on Court TV.
      • DulcetTone, on 07/17/2008, -0/+0You can never let a teenager sleep as much as he wants. We are all guilty.

  • nastronomical, on 07/16/2008, -16/+8Bullet in the head for him.
    • nickbertovich, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4Bullet in the head for you. Why? Doesn't matter. I'm sure you're guilty of something.

      See, I can play by America's rules, too.
  • LastVisibleDog, on 07/16/2008, -12/+13The soldier he killed would most likely have preferred the option of having a Guantanamo interrogation.

    ThinkProgress feeds it and the Democrat Sock-Puppet Parrots parrot it
    To quote the Talking Heads: "Same as it ever was...."
    • NickFury, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4I'm sorry, I missed the part where they had established that it was actually him who threw the grenade. He may very well have, but until that is established, he is innocent until proven guilty, just like anybody else.

      Let me put it this way - if you're convinced he did it, but he actually didn't, you are dishonouring the death of the American soldier by not focusing your anger on the real perpetrator. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so.
      • DulcetTone, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1I agree, but here's the devil's advocate position.

        How many German POWs from WW2 received trials? They had no trials unless they were taking up arms without uniform, in which case they were shot (per accepted international law). Possibly coercion/torture of this kid being a separate line of discussion in this case, one has to admit that this kid has otherwise had it easy by accepted historic norms.

        Digg me down if you must, but you should first read my earlier comments above that outline that I disagree with people who say this kid should be treated differently because he threw a grenade, as I don't think there's sufficient proof to say he threw a grenade.
      • LastVisibleDog, on 07/16/2008, -2/+1NickFury, the comment the Blind Fox Haters are trying to get "hot and bothered" about is "maybe he deserved [it]" which is pretty much what you are saying (keyword: maybe) HINT: just because you want something not to be so, doesn't make it so (see it works in both directions)

        My point still stands - you can choose to believe the enemies our country or the eye-witnesses or whatever - it is up to you. Neither one of us were there but it does seem clear somebody died (and they can't give their opinion - at least not in this astral plane)

        DulcetTone - seems the kid was taking up arms without a uniform

        My point is a comment like "MAYBE the kid deserved it" is not outrageous unless you are a Blind Fox Hater or a Parrot or both.
  • xerodustrial, on 07/16/2008, -5/+5*faceplam*

    Makes me sick.
  • SystematicChaos, on 07/16/2008, -12/+18I love how everyone is focused on the fact that this kid is not receiving painkillers and is being treated harshly and completely neglect the fact that he killed a US soldier.

    Oh, and it's not cool to digg people down just because you're hopping on the bandwagon of blind liberalism like the majority of digg users.
    • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -3/+8"neglect the fact that he killed a US soldier..."

      Proof, evidence , trial, conviction... you know that thing called DUE PROCESS.

      people like you are fake - patriots would would seek to undermine the american constitution for the benefit of their own political ends.

      • asw0210, on 07/16/2008, -6/+3DUE PROCESS and the constitution should only applies to US CITIZENS, not terrorist jihaddi bastards. All they deserve is a bullet between the eyes.
      • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -3/+3"Proof, evidence , trial, conviction... you know that thing called DUE PROCESS."

        Do you understand that it does not work that way? That this is a battlefield, during a time of conflict, and that the same standards do not apply, nor have they EVER applied?
      • rebotfc, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Then treat them as Prisoners of War with rights granted by the Geneva Convention.

        You cannot have it both ways,
      • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1The problem being he is not a Prisoner of War according to the Geneva Convention.

        According to the Geneva Convention he is an unlawful enemy combatant.

        Which means legally, according to the Geneva Convention, we can torture then murder him. Don't get me wrong there are other International Laws that don't allow that, but the Geneva Convention is not your answer.

        I give you a D-.

        Lack of effort, insufficient care to find the correct laws applying to the case.

        (Such as Child Soldier Laws/Anti-Torture Laws/etc...)

        Personally I would like to see this run through the courts to see where the Child Soldier Laws would take it.
    • asw0210, on 07/16/2008, -6/+1What you speak of should only apply to the people that the constitution applies to, US citizens. Why would we EVER grant the rights that we grant fellow countrymen to our ENEMIES?! Jihaddi bastards deserve none of our tax money to hold a trial. They should be getting our tax money in the form of lead. Who has the time or the money to try every single war criminal?! This is WAR, not the time for civility. Get real bro.


      • chicofaraby, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3"What you speak of should only apply to the people that the constitution applies to, US citizens."

        *****. There is nothing in the bill of rights that says it only applies to citizens. The constitution limits the government, not people. You don't know what the ***** you're talking about.
      • shawnolds, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1Hmm... Did you forget that George Washington ordered his troops to treat the British soldiers captured during the revolutionary war with the utmost respect. He did this because it stops the other side (Brits in this case) from using the cruelty to their fellow country men as a recruiting tool. This would also be true if the US was doing this for the Iraqi and Afghani citizens. Oh, and last time I checked a terrorist is someone who attacks the citizens of a country with the sole intention of creating fear, not a person who defends himself against military soldiers. Stop being a hypocrite, because you know if the tables were turned your take on this would be completely different or did you even bother to evaluate the situation from both sides like any intelligent person would do.
  • ProUSADigger, on 07/16/2008, -12/+6Let's just stop keeping prisoners altogether. It is a stupid concept. I have
    an idea that would work much better. As soon as they are captured, give each of these
    pieces of crap 5 minutes to divulge anything useful they might have. After those 5 minutes,
    shoot the sorry bastards in the forehead.

    There would no longer be a need for Guantanamo and we would no longer have to listen to people bitching about
    how we treat people who deserve nothing more than a bullet to the head.
    • TrevorBradley, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3if (post==sarcasm)
      WIN();
      else
      poster.sendToAsylum();
      end;
  • ultraseamus, on 07/16/2008, -3/+4I can not comment on this specific instance, because I am sure we know no where near what the full story is. But on the topic in general, most people seem to just jump on the bandwagon and if torture is mentioned at all it must be sick and twisted. I am just wondering where do diggers in general draw the line? Is torture OK if: the victim is over a certain age, if they killed (or you believe they were planning to kill) a soldier, 10 soldiers, a civilian? Is physiological torture fine but not physical? Does the motivation for the torture change things, or is it wrong to ever cause anyone else discomfort for any reason. And if torture is ever OK, who is qualified to make the decision? Not taking sides on the topic really, this was just a thought that entered my head, similar to the question of "What is the conversion rate of human life to other forms of currency".
    • chicofaraby, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Torture is always wrong. Nothing changes that. WTF?
    • NickFury, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2Torture is never ok. Using it makes the US more like the countries it calls its enemies. The US cannot call itself a moral country if it uses torture as standard practice. What ever happened to leading by example?
    • ultraseamus, on 07/16/2008, -1/+1It seems to me that there is always some line, and it has a lot to do with how you define torture. Would it be torture if, just through words, you scared the crap out of someone making him think you were going to kill him? And how ever you define it, do you really believe there is no situation that justifies the use of aggressive persuasion? I could come up with infinite hypothetical situations, but that would be pointless. I am just always interested in learning how other people think, personally I do not like defining anything as finite, and so I believe that there probably is a point at which causing one person pain is the only solution to a disproportionally great problem. I will say that I am sure the very large majority of torture that takes place in the world is not justified, and anything done with even the hint of revenge or hatred would be wrong.
    • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1Sleep deprivation.

      I'm taking my Fraternity, Job, College, and ex-Girlfriend to court and charging them all with Crimes Against Humanity for the torture they inflicted on me.
  • MaddieCakes, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4http://digg.com/politics/Khadr_s_mother_I_don_t_kn ...
  • nullcodes, on 07/16/2008, -1/+8Because we believe what people say under torture the real criminals get away.
    • stonebear, on 07/16/2008, -1/+2That's kind of the point, when the authority administering the torture IS the real criminal.
    • penguinsix, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1Because we believe everyone who says they are tortured was tortured?
  • asw0210, on 07/16/2008, -8/+6Animals like the ones we are fighting now don't understand anything other than violence. They know no diplomacy. We should have left Saddam in office he would have treated the little bugger fairly and justly.
    • soomprimal, on 07/16/2008, -2/+3Wow... just wow. Congrats on talking completely out of your ass.
  • Lonyo, on 07/16/2008, -6/+8The worst part isn't just that the Fox News guy implies he might have deserved it, but that he assumes the kid is guilty.
    If the kid is guilty, where's the trial? Where's the conviction in a court?
    Accusations that someone is guilt doesn't mean that they deserve inhumane treatment, ignoring the fact that guilty men don't deserve it either.

    He's saying an unconvicted kid deserves inhumane treatment for what he has been accused of doing. Not what he has done as decided by a trial in a court, but what he's been accused of doing, which makes it even worse.
    • Shoegaze99, on 07/16/2008, -6/+1"If the kid is guilty, where's the trial? Where's the conviction in a court?"

      That's not how war works. This isn't some kid who committed a crime on the streets of an American city, it's an incident that took place on a battlefield, in a war zone. The standards for the two are different -- as they should be.
    • Orlandin, on 07/16/2008, -1/+0I agree. It is not a matter of guilt, it is a matter of deed. It is war, and information to end the war supersedes his rights for that moment. The kid probably did not buy the grenade. That means someone put him up to it. Even if he did buy it himself, knowing who is selling the explosives is just as important. Bear in mind, the US might lean on him, but I am confident that they do not kill, decapitate or maim the captive after the information in obtained. They also do not send the kids family a video of the persons execution.
  • HonestAbe, on 07/16/2008, -6/+21I have no problem with mistreating assholes who mistreat others. If you intentionally kill someone, you've forfeit your own rights.

    The trouble is *proving* that you intentionally killed someone, and in America we believe in innocence until proven guilty.
    • penguinsix, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1Actually it doesn't really matter if he threw the grenade or not.

      Google: Felony Murder Rule.

      If this ever gets to court (which it should) then the FMR would make him a murderer, if they end up applying it in this case (which would be an interesting thing to see).

      • HonestAbe, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2When did I say anything about whether he threw a grenade or not? We believe in innocence until proven guilty, and he should have a fair trial to show the facts of the case and demonstrate guilt. After they find him guilty, I don't really care if they mistreat him.
  • sdub74, on 07/16/2008, -9/+17Normally, I'm against anything Fox News has to say, but they do have a point here. Just because he's 15 doesn't mean you treat him like a baby. If he was involved in terrorist activity, you treat him the same way you treat any other suspected terrorist, regardless of age. If he was old enough to become a terrorist, he's old enough to get questioned like one.
    • Apocrypha, on 07/16/2008, -2/+4Ah, yeah he was not old enough "to become a terrorist" (what an idiot thing to say in the first place). His father manipulated him.
      • ProUSADigger, on 07/16/2008, -2/+0Ok, then allow me. If he is old enough to be manipulated by his father
        into killing a guy with a grenade, he is old enough to be questioned like
        it.

        Is that easier for you?
      • SystematicChaos, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Uh, yeah... Tell me something. When you were 15, would you have killed someone just because you father told you to? He's 15 years old! He's got a sense of right and wrong. And let's not argue semantics please. Killing someone is wrong.
    • icexe, on 07/16/2008, -0/+2There's a reason why there is such a thing as "Age of Consent". A 15 year-old may not have the capacity to recognize the fact that they are being used or manipulated in the same way that an 18-year old could. When you are that age and are completely dependent on someone else to feed, shelter and clothe you, you tend to do whatever it is they tell you to.
      Our own laws would very rarely ever try a 15 year old as an adult, much less torture or put them under extreme duress. Such considerations should also apply to our military since they are supposed to be representing the ideals of our country.