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- oldhick, on 11/12/2009, -4/+152That was a truly disgusting decision. Corporate welfare must end. One would think that the Supreme Court would value an individuals property rights, but one would be wrong...
- drmangrum, on 11/12/2009, -4/+142I hope she sues the state again, but this time for falsifying evidence and/or perjury. If the decision was based on a plan and that plan wasn't followed, the decision should be reversed all the people who lost their homes made whole.
- Shitokki, on 11/12/2009, -6/+102That's simply ***** up. One of the many asinine moves of government.
- stompk291, on 11/12/2009, -2/+76these laws and asset forfeiture are some of the most horrid and abused laws on the books today. disgusting. I'd like to see someone use these laws against these judges on their own properties some time.
- spaceball5000, on 11/12/2009, -3/+73IT'S WORSE - Pfizer has recently announced that they are now leaving New London, selling their buildings and land. They had a 10 year tax break from the city and it must be time for them to start paying the full mill rate.
These people got evicted from their homes for a private interest. Nothing but wrong.
FYI, I live within 5 miles of the site. - houle, on 11/12/2009, -3/+42In 1988 the state of Connecticut took my families land for a highway that they knew they would never build. They did not give us fair market value, they never do in these cases. The link below is to a brief story from the NY times in 2005, it was a follow up to the kelo case where the reporter followed up on some other eminent domain abuses in CT.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0 ...
My family understand's the need for public use of land for highways and railways. But it's almost never about actually building those. 95%+ of the cases are about politicians receiving kickbacks and abusing regular people and wasting tax dollars because they like to feel powerful. - skipinator, on 11/12/2009, -0/+36Is it too late to bid $75 million on the job?
- elliotys, on 11/12/2009, -8/+44I think Pfizer is the real criminal here. I know I will get dugg down for saying this, but under most circumstances eminent domain can actually be a huge plus for some towns. I grew up in Bend, Oregon and about 15 years ago, because the traffic had gotten so bad, the town voted to have a parkway put in through the town. We were forced to relocate because our house was right in the way. My parents were reimbursed well for the property, and the town as a whole benefited greatly from the new roads. With that said, I am against using eminent domain for private corporations.
- govsucks, on 11/12/2009, -7/+37Once again the U.S. government makes a choice in favor of the people.
/s - patmurphy1, on 11/12/2009, -3/+25$78 million to bulldoze?
- kaelyiesta, on 11/12/2009, -4/+26Sigh. I used to have some measure of respect for the judicial branch, at least relative to the other two *****. However, the more I learn about it, the more that respect dies too. I've always had a disgust for eminent domain, and once again that sentiment is validated.
- axehind, on 11/12/2009, -5/+27This is atrocious! This is something I would of expected to see in the former Soviet Union, not the U.S.
- Shawn4168, on 11/12/2009, -12/+33Judges that voted in favor of the City of New London:
Stevens
Kennedy
Souter
Ginsberg
Breyer
4 liberals and a swing vote...so much for the liberals looking out for the little guy, eh?
Activist judges are, by definition, liberal. They are the ones that seek to undermine the law and the constitution, while conservative judges seek to uphold the law as it is written. - houle, on 11/12/2009, -1/+20they tried that with Justice Souter's 'blighted' home in new hampshire
but since all the scumbags in government take care of each other, it didn't work - yacks, on 11/13/2009, -1/+19Justices for:
John Paul Stevens - wrote majority opinion - appointed by Gerald Ford (R)
Anthony Kennedy - Reagan (R)
David Souter - George H.W. Bush (R)
Ruth Ginsburg - Clinton (D)
Steven Breyer - Clinton (D)
Justices against:
Sandra Day O'Connor - wrote dissenting opinion - Reagan (R)
Reinhquist - chief justice at the time - Reagan (r)
Scalia - Reagan (R)
Thomas - George H W Bush(R) - omgwtflawl, on 11/12/2009, -0/+16http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_L ...
Read that for a laugh. Libertarians in NH tried to seize Justice Souter's "blighted" house after Kelo. - kd1s, on 11/12/2009, -2/+18Then of course you have the cities that gave away the candy store, like Providence, RI. There now isn't an undeveloped area in the city worth anything. It's just that those 17 and 19 floor condo projects, and the 6 story condo project on Canal St, they're dorms now for college students.
And if we want to talk grabs, if any of you out there are amateur radio license holders of any length of appreciable time, recall the UPS grab for part of the 220MHz spectrum. They ended up NOT using it. But it's still marked off for UPS. - GoCougs98, on 11/12/2009, -8/+24I for one welcome our new bull dozing overlords
/s - WilliamDavis, on 11/12/2009, -1/+15Republicans steal from you.
Democrats steal from you. - houle, on 11/12/2009, -2/+16the state of ct is one of the most liberal/left leaning in the country. this had to pass the state level before ever getting to the supreme court.
this is not a left vs right issue. It is Us vs. all scumbag corrupt politicians - houle, on 11/12/2009, -4/+18you couldn't be more wrong, they were not given fair market value. in these cases the same scumbag politicians stealing these homes are deciding what "fair market value" is. and they never pay these people even close to what there property is worth
- agvance, on 11/12/2009, -5/+18Wrong they were all liberal. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the majority opinion, joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer. Which one or three is conservative?
- seduirai, on 11/12/2009, -4/+17being evicted from your home for fair market value is not my idea of making out. I'll stay in my home and wait for the market to rebound thank you.
- omgwtflawl, on 11/12/2009, -1/+13I hate all of the Supreme court justices, but the smallest of glances at the outcome of the case will prove you wrong:
Majority: Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer
Concurrence: Kennedy
Dissent: O'Connor, joined by Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas
So the 4 most liberal judges (joined by Kennedy) voted on behalf of New London and the 3 most conservative (joined by moderate O'Connor) voted in favor of Kelo. - govtdoesnotwork, on 11/12/2009, -6/+18Sadly, even "good" libertarian judges like my friend Alex Kozinski went along with Kelo. Hopefully, AK learned from this policy's failure, but in the past it's been a bit of a sore point in our email discussions...For a libertarian, he's a bit of a statist, but he's the best I've got as a hope for the Supremes -- assuming a Republican President with intellect & balls finally gets elected someday...
- houle, on 11/12/2009, -1/+12when the state of Ct stole our house, the ruling in court was that we could not sue the state because once they took it we no longer had a legal right to the property and therefore could not sue them
simply put you can't sue the government and win - eRaptor, on 11/12/2009, -5/+16No problem...imminent domain can be a double edged sword.
The former residents should file a class action lawsuit against the city for the financial harm caused, bring an imminent domain claim against the developer to seize the property back, then add insult to injury by requiring the city to provide the same tax breaks for construction as given to the developer. - omgwtflawl, on 11/12/2009, -10/+21All governments are founded upon theft and violence, but Kelo went above and beyond the call of duty. Imagine if anyone else did what the city government did here. Imagine if Microsoft showed up at your house with guns and bulldozers and said "this is our land now, here is a check (for a third of what you think your house is worth), if you don't get out we'll shoot you". Its ridiculous beyond all measure. Yet when a government does it suddenly everything is "for the greater good" and they have our "best interests in mind".
- randyzaia, on 11/12/2009, -4/+14Thanks liberal members of the Supreme Court!
- Voob, on 11/12/2009, -5/+14lol....but hey! They'll do a GREAT job with your health care!
- twinklyJesus, on 11/12/2009, -1/+10You've never tried to sue City Hall, have you?
- laminac, on 11/12/2009, -4/+13healthcare is next!
- agooga, on 11/12/2009, -2/+11I'm a victim of eminent domain, and my compensation SUCKED. The city put arbitrary restrictions on the use of the property so that it could not be sold for anything approaching fair market value. It sat unsold and unused for 20 years until my other property partners got old and needed the retirement money and reluctantly agreed to sell. Buyer: the city, paying about 1/4 of what it would be worth on the open market without the restrictions. Then they proceeded to build a big museum structure on the site. I'm all in favor of museums and culture, but what's the difference in impact between a museum and a house or even a condo? The city wanted a nice, choice, vanity project and tourist attractor and they got it for a very nice discount. And we got screwed.
- WilliamDavis, on 11/12/2009, -2/+11Why bother revising the constitution when no one reads it anyway?
- twinklyJesus, on 11/12/2009, -4/+13@ nightengale:
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You know, that's that same idiotic mentality that thieves use. My home was robbed while I was at work Aug. 16. The burglars probably thought "everything's insured, they'll end up better than they are now!".
The truth is, yeah, in some ways. I got upgraded stuff, because the stuff that was stolen isn't being sold any more. But, at what cost? My insurance premium will go up, I lost irreplaceable documents. Computers were stolen, and while they were replaced, the contents weren't. All my tax records were backed up, but the thieves stole the backup drives too. Years of digital photos were stolen.
They didn't do me a favor, I lost time, data, and sentimental property that can't be replaced. Having the choice of new, shiny versus stuff I knew how to use, etc. (digital SLR camera new, better, but have to learn how this one works) takes too much time away from earning money.
Your line of thought is foolish. - awinters, on 11/13/2009, -0/+8This decision continues to perplex me.
I took Property Law two years ago in a class of 60 students. NO ONE thought this decision was right. Granted, we are not legal geniuses like SCOTUS but our teacher was trying to get us to argue for the majority and we were all like, "F*&& them." - maroger, on 11/12/2009, -1/+9It wasn't a contract, it was a pipe dream by a company who had the money to pull the strings of those in government. More money than any private citizen or group of private citizens would ever have. It's the good old US system of giving citizenship to corporations without the liability.
Look at SLAPP suits. A developer can sue a private citizen who actively complains publicly about them. A SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) suit to stop the developer's suit (at full legal costs by the private citizen) can be filed but the damage is already done. No one in their right mind would continue to complain at the risk of getting sued also. To add insult to injury, close to 100% of these suits are dropped by the litigant. Any that get any further are never taken seriously by the judge- they are just as bought and paid for. - sloppychris, on 11/12/2009, -7/+15How about just "screw activist judges"?
- idbjoshm, on 11/12/2009, -4/+11Absolutely Abhorrent. It would be simply disgusting if the City actually did what the court allowed them to do. But instead, the city takes away the land of its citizens, destroys the homestead (essentially everything they worked for), and just let the land lay fallow! Disgusting, this is on Souter's head.
- slimat420, on 11/12/2009, -0/+7This is karma in action. The state stole peoples houses where they lived for generations and the state thought it would make money by destroying those memories. Now the state does not have the people to rape or the businesses to rape for cash.
I hope New London CT continues to descend in to hell. - davewashere, on 11/13/2009, -0/+7Agreed, the interstate highway system sucks, and the power grid is a waste because I could make my own energy at home using a series of hamsters and their exercise wheels.
- UV0001, on 11/12/2009, -1/+8A prime example of extreme eminent domain abuse. I wouldn't have a problem with eminent domain if there were some changes to the way it was done. On thing being that people who lose their property should be paid at least twice market value for it. And that the property taken should be used ONLY for public benefit. None of this commercial *****.
- Slicklines, on 11/12/2009, -2/+8I was searching for some meaningful way to express outrage, but I think you pretty much have it covered.
- Rothbardosaurus, on 11/13/2009, -2/+8Eminent domain is just a softer word for stealing.
- drmangrum, on 11/12/2009, -1/+7Yeah, how dare these people stand up for people being bullied by their government to further the corporatist agenda. Those evil, evil people.
- dayal911, on 11/13/2009, -3/+9But don't worry, they'll be completely fair and righteous about our health care.
- dayal911, on 11/13/2009, -1/+7I don't know if you're trolling, or if you're just completely stupid.
- seduirai, on 11/12/2009, -5/+11I had to laugh. Your expectations for the US are too high. Lower them a bit so they reflect reality. I agree with you though, this is atrocious.
- chassup, on 11/12/2009, -2/+8It doesn't matter... personal property means PERSONAL, for the PERSON to decide its disposition... not the state. Wake up, next it'll be your property.
- houle, on 11/12/2009, -4/+9you think a waterfront home in CT is only worth 142k?
for 142k, you'd be lucky to get a crackhouse in downtown bridgeport at a foreclosure auction -
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