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- suz123nj, on 11/05/2009, -1/+12Poodlemom-- You have never lived under the "giuliani" years in NY. To paraphrase Bill Vann back in 2002---Their aim was to keep the “low class white trash or blacks" in their place, while lavishing tax breaks and privileges on the corporate elite. Identifying closely with the latter, those in the mayor’s inner circle like Kerik clearly felt they too were entitled to a life of luxury at the anyone else expense. Kerik reputation was built on being tough on crime and corruption. You can't pursue others when your are as corrupt.
- milkmit, on 11/05/2009, -1/+11The fact that his unlawful deeds all began coming to light only after Bush nominated him for Homeland Security secretary absolutely makes my day. ***** idiots, both of them.
- IIAmusedII, on 11/05/2009, -1/+11Bad cop! No doughnut for you!
- coheedcollapse, on 11/06/2009, -2/+10Corruption comes in all types man. It's funny, republicans jump on scandals when they happen to democrats, democrats jump on scandals when they happen to republicans, but neither recognize the scandals of their own party.
This guy was a scumbag, like many others. His political party honestly isn't really important to that judgment.
This is coming from superliberal me, so it has to mean something. - JackOpfor, on 11/06/2009, -0/+7According to a Washington Post reporter Rajiv Chandrasekaran, in the book "Imperial Life in the Emerald City," Kerik was little more than a showboat who spent his brief time in Iraq bloviating about his celebrity as a 9/11 hero, taking part in some raids without actually contributing anything or risking his own neck -- "Kerik never left the car. He stayed inside the armored car," Burke told the Daily News. "Some questioned his courage." -- and actually doing nothing positive. He left the country after little more than three months to "decompress" by jetsetting in Europe.
its a good read - UnFriendlyFire, on 11/05/2009, -1/+8Can someone lockup this ***** already?
- suz123nj, on 11/05/2009, -2/+8And besides --he was convicted of LYING!!!!
- MiddleAmerica, on 11/05/2009, -7/+13Now that's a crooked Republican!
- bjornski, on 11/06/2009, -0/+6And 27-33 months?
Slap on the wrist. It should be much, much more time. - askantik, on 11/06/2009, -2/+88 felonies and not even 3 years of jail time?
- govtdoesnotwork, on 11/06/2009, -1/+7Nope, but I've paid the taxes so I get to comment about it anyway. Kerrick SUCKED at his job, as proved by the corruption and incompetence of Iraq's police. Period. That's why the taxpayers had to pay someone ELSE to do his job all over again after Bernie failed miserably. Does the fact that I've never been to Iraq change thing-one about Bernie's miserable failure? Nope. So why bring it up?? We're discussing Bernie's failure. Bring your friend, and have him reply to my original comment proving me wrong, if he can. He can't, so he won't.
- aaleksey, on 11/06/2009, -0/+6Why are so many people giggly about prison rape of male inmates?! As if it's not a gross human rights violation and a serious crime but a legitimate part of the punishment our legal system provides (hint: it's not).
- govtdoesnotwork, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4No, it sounds like criminality. And criminals like Bernie should be punished just like any other criminal.
- suz123nj, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4Take the time an rent "Guilani Time" - The city was policed with totalitarian quality-of-life tactics. AS Police Commissioner,Kerik was up to his eyeballs enforcing aggressive policies gave a green light to the NYPD to terrorize Black and Latino communities. The underlying assumption of the new "stop and frisk" policy was that all Blacks and Latinos were potential criminals.
Here is another piece of info about this time;http://www.counterpunch.org/roesch05142007.html
Prosecutors say Kerik received about $255,000 in renovations to his Riverdale, Bronx, apartment from a company seeking to do business with the city of New York and concealed the income from the Internal Revenue Service. The indictment also charges Kerik made several false statements to the White House (in his background information statement regarding his Department of Homeland Security appointment) and other federal officials.On October 20, 2009, Kerik's bail was revoked after he allegedly disclosed information which was under seal.
Once you really understand how NYC changed perhaps you will less naive about Mr.Kerik and the protected little world you visited. Kerik didn't have little screw ups--or only one screw up. - govtdoesnotwork, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4So our argument is over the relative levels of Kerik's vs a dictator's suckularity, then?? Given JackOpfor's comment, I'd say I can rest my case. He sucked. And he sucked with my tax dollars. The fact that I've never set foot in Iraq during my lifetime & likely never will is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the discussion of the sucking. But if Bernie's so damn great, tell your friend to write a (convincing) book.
- govtdoesnotwork, on 11/06/2009, -4/+7It's a pity he can't be prosecuted for the ***** job he did "preparing" Iraq's police to be even more corrupt than they'd been under Saddam...
- somberlaine, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3bad cop who was the first Homeland Security Dept. nominee.
- ZZeke, on 11/10/2009, -0/+2Hero, schmero...the guy is the classic stereotypical "I am the law" egomaniac cop. I'm glad he's behind bars where he belongs, and I hope that someone eventually goes after him for using the DHS for personal profit, along with Rudy.
- ZZeke, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3What's a real pity is that he didn't go down for using the newly formed DHS as an instrument for insider trading and back-room deals along with his buddy Guiliani...That would have been justice!
- BerateBirthers, on 11/06/2009, -5/+7tl;dr - go make a blog or something
- gizram84, on 11/06/2009, -1/+3Look at the corruption arrests made in NJ a few weeks ago. 44 arrested. All but 1 were democrats. What's your point again?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32103250/ns/us_news-cr ...
FTA:
"All but one are Democrats
Among the 44 people arrested were the mayors of Hoboken, Ridgefield and Secaucus, Jersey City's deputy mayor, and two state assemblymen. A member of the governor's cabinet resigned after agents searched his home, though he was not arrested. All but one of the officeholders are Democrats." - absurdist, on 11/06/2009, -0/+1"Mendacity. What do you know about mendacity? I could write a book on it...Mendacity. Look at all the lies that I got to put up with. Pretenses. Hypocrisy. Pretendin' like I care for Big Mama, I haven't been able to stand that woman in forty years. Church! It bores me. But I go. And all those swindlin' lodges and social clubs and money-grabbin' auxiliaries. It's-it's got me on the number one sucker list. Boy, I've lived with mendacity. Now why can't you live with it? You've got to live with it. There's nothin' to live with but mendacity. Is there? "
- Big Daddy, Cat On A Hot Tin Roof, Tennessee Williams - Jack8274, on 11/06/2009, -0/+1A corrupt police commissioner in a prison... better sneak some lube in.
- jsjsjsz, on 11/06/2009, -3/+4Lying to the White House and also admitting to tax crimes? Sounds like "tit for tat". The Washington D.C. politicols are always lying and making tax crime "mistakes, errors, and oversights". Doesn't matter the president, administration, or party in power.
- PoodleMomma, on 11/06/2009, -0/+1I read the counterpunch article. It was thorough, and some of the examples were accurate as I remember them, but some were spin too. I get that this is a local source and appreciate your effort to support the truth. I just cannot help be skeptical when every single publication by counterpunch is indeed liberal. To find common ground does require some moderate stance; treaties are not negotiated by taking hard left or right stance, and the wars will never end if we do not all become Americans again. I will watch that movie; you have given good sources for me to reference, and form my opinions from. Is a liberal disclaimer in order before I watch the DVD? :) I'm going to hunt for that now.
- Jack8274, on 11/07/2009, -0/+1Who said it wasn't a human rights violation? I just think it's funny when it's not me.
- noizrellik, on 11/07/2009, -0/+1An american zero.
- govtdoesnotwork, on 11/10/2009, -1/+2What I love is how his defenders ignore the fact that this "hero" used a donated luxury condo which was meant for 9/11 relief workers for his sexual escapades. At least Elliot Spitzer would rent his own hotel rooms.
- inactive, on 11/06/2009, -4/+4And you're a partisan douchebag!.
- PoodleMomma, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1A great thought provoking quote absurdist, but do you write your own material?
- hydroplane, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1bad cops, bad cops
- PoodleMomma, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1You are absolutely correct. I only visited Manhattan for 6 months in 1998. I had a unique position, as the wife of a 26yr old cancer patient at Memorial-Sloan Kettering, so no, I was not a resident. We stayed at the Ronald McDonald House, on the upper east side, but we mingled with patients daily 4-5 hours about the goings on in the chemo rooms. These people commuted to the hospital by car or foot and were real New Yorkers, ran the gamut.
What I am saying is that from so many in that year Giuliani and Kerik were noble for their achievements, and it was so much safer, cleaner, etc. That was relatively unanimous; the papers raved over his accomplishments. There is no excuse for corruption, and organized crime. I just get really tired of the double standards, we expect politicians to be infallible, but we aren't polished enough to do it ourselves. Until we all accept that people screw up and any of us are prone to make poor choices will will just point fingers, That's what I was saying. I don't condone what you have described.
I am not replying to escalate this conversation, I just wanted to make it relative to what I see daily. That is nurses feeling pressured to document things which do not actually get done due to the enormous load placed on them. Physicians are being shoved in the same role now. They have more required paperwork, forms, algorithms, and if they mess up (or the staff) that claim is denied. Many Medicare services can only be submitted once, so that erroneous claim is denied forever, even if it's changed/corrected.
We all want to see accountability and fairness, but I am just saying the crime rate in NYC c.1998 - miraculous comparatively. What you have described is wrong, and unacceptable anywhere. He apparently was corrupted, as he plead guilty, but I am hearing some stories that he was already charged for some of the charges at the state level. At some point it becomes a witch hunt. What is worse, is that it took this long (Blame Bush, that's ok with me, though it does not help achieve our real objective which is some common ground), and we have Congressional leadership which are allowed to sit in committees while investigations into their tax problems seem to stagnate until their term runs out.
I agree with you completely, get every single corrupt person out of the Congress, Senate, and WH. I hope people aren't too intimidated by the witch hunts to step up. Theorhetically a lousey house keeper/babysitter tax issue from 20 yrs ago might haunt a person and damage a life of integrity; I don't know why anybody but corrupt people would want the job for $167k/yr.
We have all done something we are not proud of, I just hope there is someone who's willing to risk it all to clean up this mess with an honest mop. - istoner, on 11/06/2009, -4/+1I think he just wants a place to stay post the credit crunch. So he pleaded guilty, plus he's a PC, so jails are rather homely anyway.
- DavidNiven, on 11/06/2009, -5/+1I'm not saying that Kerik didn't suck at his job. I'm just saying that the characterization of Iraq's police force as even more corrupt than under Hussein with Kerik at the helm is not accurate.
And I agree with you that you get to comment as much as you want on anything, especially since you pay taxes. Not a problem. - DavidNiven, on 11/06/2009, -7/+2One of my friends worked in Iraq to train their police force. He'd disagree with you most strenuously.
He has been there and done that. Were you ever in Iraq, sir? - PoodleMomma, on 11/05/2009, -14/+3Hey you know I used to be very liberal in my group of friends as a young student. My view was that as long as I was not harmed or restricted in my endeavors, it should be allowed - "it" being most of today's controversial issues from religion, speech, to medical options etc. Then one beautiful day in September in 2001 that changed for me. I was in the midst of cramming for an exam, and something physical happened to me that day. I later realized I became a grown woman that day and also grew into my role as a mom.
All the freedoms I wanted my children to experience as people I learned needed to be balanced with restraint, I will leave my intro at that.
Mid thirties, I now see parallels to Bernie Kerik and almost EVERYBODY I know (liberal AND conservative). I don't know anyone who has never: offered cash to a sitter, friend/contractor/neighbor, dog groomer, "guestimated" cash donations made in a year on Form 1040, or lost a receipt for tax documentation and later claimed the deduction knowing in "good faith" they really did pay it, or someone who's hinted to a auto shop that they'd like to "fluff" the damages to help cover the cost of a deductible. All violate federal tax laws in this country. These oversights to the law are all things I grew up with in blue collar Indiana. I saw it from my family, friends, etc. The philosophy I believe is that only rich and/or crooks really cheat or get into trouble. When the crooks get in trouble we all get justice, and when the rich get in trouble we get justice too? Okay, I have been in political situations with my job as a nurse and have seen MANY people get a reputation smeared for the sake of politics, and or advancement. Money or nobility is always the prize.
What we all need to do is find our similarities and not our differences. Maybe Mr. Kerik turned into a crook, or maybe he was a great guy who had some close relationships which gave the image of impropriety. What I see is political motivation ruined a guys life; he contributed so much to Manhattan. What we need to change is we need to look from both sides. Is the guy who is willing to smear him for political gain or money any better? Aren't they the exact same? So I hear he is depressed, give him a chance to be honest and start over. He plead guilty and deserves that. What I hate is that his career is ruined, how will he find his way out of this rut? It ruins nurses everyday. And we wonder why there is a shortage. Everybody screws up in life, it's how you learn from it. It's not about Obama or Bush.
Rise above the hate.
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