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- cheez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+49"In the last few weeks, the North Koreans have just kept the trains, sending the Chinese crews back across the border."
sounds like 5 year olds playing in the sand box - Tiabin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41Sounds like some typical crazy narcissistic BS... "What? We're out of trains? Keep the chinese ones!"... Henchman answers: "But isn't that what they use to GIVE us food?" Dictator (in cartman voice): "How dare you question my authority!!"
- rogueman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38I was born in a communist dictatorship, and although i was still a child when it ended (for better or for worst) i still remember some. First it's not about a dictator, man with guns and ordinary citizens. It's a very complex society revolving around a "Party", with lots of influential people and factions. The "let's keep the trains" gesture looks a lot like a faction solving a problem at the expense of another (and incidentally of the common good). So while some things may appear absurd, and they are, the reasons as seen from inside are quite clean and logical, and as such predictable. Well, not by me and you but that was the original role of the intelligence agencies and they're probably still good at it.
And a bit off-topic, now 20 years after the end of communism I still don't see democracy as inherently superior. Both forms of government can work good or bad, the important thing is the system of checks and balances. True, it seems to fail less in democratic countries. Also the manipulation of the common citizen is present in both. In communism it's based more on ideology and in democracy on "bread and circus", but I don't think there is a real difference in effect. - ViperDaimao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29I was just about to submit this, but digg found this duplicate (how people submit dupes on digg is beyond me).
Buy yeah, this is just crazy weird. China is the closest thing N.Korea has to an ally, and now they're pissing them off royally it sounds. - v4r4n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24The problem is N.Korea probably doesn't know what anyone thinks of them, and if they did, they probably wouldn't understand why...
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25China is walking a tight-rope on the North Korean issue.
-If North Korea collapses, China will have to deal with hundreds of thousands of North Korean refugees crossing over into its territory and it will have an even worse failed state as a neighbor.
-If North Korea becomes too belligerent, it could force Japan to develop nukes and generally become more militaristic, shifting the security balance of the region towards Japan, who is still the richest and most technologically advanced country in Asia (and the one most closely allied with the USA). - thatguy25, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Seoul is really a nice place! Not to mention my girlfriend lives there...so let's not wipe it out. :P
- rtakach, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22So when's you're mail order bride arriving in the states?
Oh just kidding, I had to say it though. - szelij, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Yeah it does sound a bit retarded...but maybe NK is playing off the fact that everyone thinks they're crazy and won't do anything too bad just in case the crazyness results in a crater in Seoul.
- Lummoxx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20I'm guessing about as trustworthy as a random left-wing blog.
Someone tell me what the *-wings have to do with it?
Oh yeah...nothing, because everyone has an agenda. - oxymoron69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17yeah people in North Carolina piss off most of the world from what i hear ;-)
/not from nc
//loves the south
///talks to poor southerners all day in a call center - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+141. No, that would not be good. The people who live in North Korea are still ordinary people. They don't SUPPORT Kim Jong II. They just don't have a choice in the matter. You only need to remove the leaders.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I don't think anyone believes that Jim Jong Il is clinically insane per se. There is no doubt that he is a reckless, desperate, authoritarian, and bullying attention whore who ruined the lives of literally all his countrymen--he is crazy in that sense. Imagine ruining an entire country. But there is too much of a method to his madness for him to be certifiably insane. And yes, it does suit his purposes to make everyone think he's insane. All the better to extract blackmail loot from the free world. The best thing to do is for everyone to stay calm and not play the game on his terms. Press on with the 6-party talks until he stops BSing.
- bobbytuck, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16This is some blog post. Where's the source?
SUSPECT - otatop, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15If we nuked the population of every country based on how much the world disliked their leaders, the US would probably be vaporized, too.
- kai05yang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9the nationalistic Koreans like to call Korea Corea. they believe that japan changed their name from Corea to Korea in WWII so Japan will be on the list of nations before them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13NC's been pissing off China for years. I had a mongolian doctor to a roommate once. According to him, NC has been dissing China by telling the NCian's people that the Chinese aid was actually tribute. Very disrespectful towards the Chinese.
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@ spam4jan
Seems that every communist dictatorship that has ever existed is run by such people. What sane person wants their freedoms and property taken away? Guess it makes sense that crazies always end up in control. - Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The bigger problem is that, when the N. Korean economy collapses and the current leadership is outsted and/or asassinated, who is going to be in control of all the nuclear materials they are developing? No doubt there are some black hats out there who are well aware of the situation and are just waiting for the opportunity to rush in...
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20Right-wing blogs wouldn't lie...would they?
- collapse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I don't know how much we should be paying attention to a short post with no mention of references from a highly partisan web site. No, it shouldn't matter whether it's from the far left or the far right- don't get your news from sources with a reason to stretch or distort the truth. No digg.
- JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@flag564:
"Slave is an Ephebian word. In Om we have no word for slave," said Vorbis.
"So I understand," said the Tyrant. "I imagine that fish have no word for water."
-Terry Pratchett - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9One part of the site that keeps me from taking the story at absolute seriousness is the stupid "Defeat (communist symbol) Hillarry" from a right-winger tshirt company, which makes no sense at all.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12"And a bit off-topic, now 20 years after the end of communism I still don't see democracy as inherently superior"
Apparently communism takes time to wear off the people they oppressed.
Seek some help and dont pass that view on to your kids. - datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12@ rogueman
Except for the fact that communism has resulted in the deaths of millions of people and other human rights abuses (not to mention no freedom of speech, property rights, etc.) not to mention the right to vote, free markets.... democracy and communism have alot in common......
yes, if you sarcasm detector just went off its in working order.... - kdbarto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5check out the right hand side of this image
http://www.visualpharm.com/wallpaper/earth_at_the_night_1024x768.jpg
Note that North Korea is black: No electricty. - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5North Korea is just going to piss off China and the US one day and they'll just roll over on top of it. It's going to be messy.
- VipeNess, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7lol the trains, that is like sending aid to the ghetto, with a hummer with rims
- thatguy25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@rtakach
Heh, she isn't a mail-order! :P She's got a 4-yr degree and a fulltime job. Which is more than I can say about myself! Hmm, come to think of it...am I the mail-order husband for her? Uh oh.... - Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Nod to Rainstorm--I consider myself a "leftie", but not necessarily a Democrat (I vote for my candidates based on integrity and standing behind their positions that I may agree with). One thing we don't need this time around is someone like Hillary, mucking up the "left side" of the political landscape, pandering to anyone who will listen to garner votes.
I don't want to have to vote for her if she gets the nomination, like I did Kerry. I still feel dirty voting for someone I didn't want in office, just so I didn't vote for someone I didn't want in office a whole lot more. I would've have liked to vote for someone like Edwards alone for President.
It'll probably so happen this time that she gets the nod because she's popular, a Clinton, will side with whatever viewpoint is popular. She's also a woman, and while I'd like to see one elected, I hope it's not her. - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Not sure how trustworthy a random right-wing blog is"
Why do we never see this comment from you on some post from a left-wing blog? - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11@rogueman
There is the tiny detail that all Communist countries have collapsed or are in the process of collapsing or democratizing. They also can't seem to feed their people, give them any political freedom or keep up with the free world in any way. But keeping China's trains is a nice trick. Hey, free trains. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5So is much of Africa, Western China, and Northern Canada.... and there's a little dark spot in rural, central NY where I have some land. Glad to know I turned the lights off.
- RAiNsTorm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yeah, because Hillary is just what this country needs right now... I could care less if you are left, right, center, or purple but this is NOT the time for a person like Hillary. Let's try to get this country back on some sort of normal track before overturning the applecart.
- timmclargehuge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Ah, the ideology of diggers at play. Notice the posts that imply that right wing blogs are lies are dugg while those implying that left wing blogs lie are buried.
Digg 3.0: Who needs technology news when we have an ideology to protect. - thatguy25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Google is hardly impartial. After all they include al-Manar (Hezbollah's TV channel) and Indymedia (a leftist political site) as valid news sources.
- johnlewin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Lets hope so. Kim's not exactly a stable kitten, but upscale testing and grabbing control of supply vehicles is typical of prewar prep. On the other hand N.Korea seems to get money/etc from the international community when he postures like this, so perhaps he's testing his limits a but.
- michaelfitz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow. They are cutting off the hand that is feeding them. (and keeping it) :-)
- rtakach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just saw a blip on the local news about this and their words are "the UN is meeting to determine a response"
what kind of a response are we going to give that makes any kind of impact? seriously, nobody is going to attack them because they're so volatile. Press secratary today was very crass about it, saying the same thing like "what are we gonna do, ask him to be rational? if he wants to talk we'll hear it...next question"
i don't know if they're just flexing thier mustles or rattling their holsters...but somehow I don't feel threatened. Let them shoot off their fireworks for our independance day...if it was really a threat we'd bring out the patriot missiles. War sucks though, so it'd be nice if we didn't start more *****.
So let's sanction them...sure. What has that done, ever? The UN is a joke. - JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"most of australia"
Urban/rural distribution of people in Australia:
Share urban 92 percent
Share rural 8 percent
(Encarta)
So... - rtakach, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Why am I not suprised at being dugg down for hating on politics? I wasn't even trying to take a side, but let me guess, the whining bitch ass liberals immediately hit the thumbs down icon because they saw me say something about them and god forbid anyone diss a liberal.
I just find it so funny for a group of people that claim to be so "open-minded" they are so quick to dismiss an idea that doesn't fit in with their narrow scope of logic. They're so quick to cry foul and scream about inequities and right-wing conspiracies.
Damn, not everything is about left or right all the time!! Can't we just see things for the way they are without complaining about whether it's rightist or leftist.
It's going to be so funny when our extreme partisanship in this country becomes so polarized that it literally tears us apart and brings us to a standstill where everyone wants to have it their way and not listen to anyone else. The funny thing is that for all their "open-minded" beliefs, liberals are the first group of people to shut someone out if they're not marching to the same step.
I'm a radical centrist, there's a lot of problems with this country and polarizing your beliefs to an extreme left or right is not going to help solve anything. Just chill!!! ESPECIALLY ON DIGG. Jeez....
Who's got a beer here? Let's all calm down. - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51- China shares a border with North Korea. If North Korea collapses, refugees will flood over that border into China. Who is going to give them jobs, food, clothes, health care, housing, security, etc? What skills do North Koreans have to contribute to the Chinese economy? Will starving North Korean refugees be able to assemble DVD players? China does not want this problem. You take care of hundreds of thousands or even millions of Communist refugees looking for government handouts and tell me how easy it is. China is not an idealistic college sophomore. They are looking out for their own self-interest.
2- Politics dictates that a country will revise its security stance in response to new and emerging threats. The last thing China wants is to change the status quo of the region. Japan can very easily make nuclear weapons thanks to its reactors, supercomputers, universities, and high tech industry. And it has plenty of money to spend on conventional weapons as well. If North Korea keeps rattling its saber, Japan will start rethinking its security policies and it may even make certain changes. Japan has even sent its troops to Iraq in a supporing role and is eyeing China itself with suspicion.
"On 06 April 2002 Liberal Party president Ichiro Ozawa created a furor claiming that Japan - to deter Chinese threats - could produce "thousands of nuclear warheads" from plutonium extracted from the spent fuel of its more than 50 commercial nuclear reactors. Ozawa said that "if [China] gets too inflated, Japanese people will get hysterical. It would be so easy for us to produce nuclear warheads%u2014we have plutonium at nuclear power plants in Japan, enough to make several thousand such warheads%u2026.[I]f we get serious, we will never be beaten in terms of military power.""
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/japan/nuke.htm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9RadiantBeing, I really have no idea how you got modded up so high, seeing as your comment is so ludicrously uninformed...
1) Besides the fact that it would be incredibly easy for China, of all nations, to absorb hundreds of thousands of people with similar sociological and economic backgrounds, why would China allow refugees to cross into their borders in the first place? You're under some sort of an assumption that China would welcome these people with open arms. The ONLY reason they're giving ANY aid to North Korea right now is because Communist nations see it as their duty to help each other out to keep Communism alive. Without Communism in North Korea, China will care about these people about as little as they care for South Koreans.
2) Japan would likely never develop nukes. There is an incredibly strong aversion to nuclear weapons in Japanese culture (I'll give you two guesses for why that is). Even today, they still come out with anime, videogames, and other forms of pop culture products that routinely tout the evils of nuclear warfare (ever play Metal Gear Solid?). The Japanese would never turn their back on this. Secondly, about them becoming more militaristic... that's not much of a problem, considering Japan is wealthy and democratic -- they would not be aggressors in any conflicts, so them building up their armed forces is not particularly alarming to anyone familiar with history. Besides, why would they do this in the first place when America has thousands of military personnel and several bases inside Japan? America, and numerous other nations throughout the world, would eagerly defend Japan from any aggressor, seeing as Japan helps drive much of the world's economy. - weirdone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the nuclear materials RNK are developing are a long long ways away from completion so gaining control of them after the communists are out of power isn't as big a concern as getting the communists out of power first.
- thatguy25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It has already fallen apart and the country is experiencing mass starvation. Welcome to Communism.
- chickenrob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2interestingly enough, pictures I have seen show beautiful 6 lane roads all around the country, liberally covered in street lights. You can even see this on google earth (look for the shadows of the light poles. so all they need now is some vehicles for these abandoned roads, and some power for these fixtures. Well, I guess they don't have to worry about changing the light bulbs often...
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Not that this story is improbable but I don't believe it because it comes from such a right wing website.
It has not sources and uses the word "looney".
Yeah not fair and balanced. Not a real story."
Would you trust it if it came from the Daily Kos or the DU? I would love to know how quckly you will be to dimiss this if it came from a left-wing site. - rtakach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Thatguy:
She's the breadwinner you're the subservient one!!
Anyways I was just joking, glad to see I didn't get dugg down for it, glad people have a sense of humor.
Have a great day! - thatguy25, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"War sucks though, so it'd be nice if we didn't start more *****."
War does suck, but we didn't start it with the North Koreans. They launched missles, they are the ones who constantly threaten nuclear winter across the USA. - friend18, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Forget the missiles, N. Korea is retarded!
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