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- whoreable, on 03/31/2008, -2/+40Is sucks so bad here even the Cubans are like ***** it we'll just stay in Cuba.
- selmer, on 03/31/2008, -1/+23Live in Florida = home completely ***** up ever 5 years + huge elderly demographic + high taxes + subprime disaster +...
Wow, big surprise people are leaving. - borez, on 03/31/2008, -0/+19Other gripping headlines: Old people eventually die
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -4/+22Taxes in Florida in the last five years have gone up dramatically. The reason given was that previous hurricane seasons damaged the infrastructure and it needed to be rebuilt. Not sure if that holds water but I heard something along those lines.
- coit, on 03/31/2008, -0/+17Horrible grammar in this article. Hard to believe it was published. The populating isn't declining, the growth RATE is declining. Here's a classic error by the "journalist":
"In his study, Smith notes that the state's population growth is slowing because more people are leaving than moving into the state."
If more people are leaving than moving in, you don't have a growth rate. - olenick, on 03/31/2008, -1/+16I live in South FL and I can see why people would leave. I've lived all over the world and this area seems especially dysfunctional. Local government is especially incompetent. Many of the "snow-birds" -- older people who live here Sept-Apr -- bring a sense of entitlement and clog up the infrastructure. It's expensive: our high property taxes drive up the cost of everything (no income tax though). Our housing costs, even after adjustments, are still relatively steep and because of the speculator-boom many neighborhoods have broken down houses run as rentals or vacant. There is some upside -- we're close to the Caribbean and the ocean is beautiful -- but if you're looking for a warm place to be I'd recommend somewhere else.
- cababika799, on 03/31/2008, -0/+11But we do have Disney....so thats a plus....until you've been there twice and have no reason to ever go back.
- TomK88, on 03/31/2008, -1/+12The gateway to the Americas needs another cocaine epidemic. Without the drug money flowing in, Miami and South Florida is going to deteriorate.
- roastedbagel, on 03/31/2008, -0/+9you mean mommy and daddy are rich as *****....if the statement is remotely true.
- aliengoods, on 03/31/2008, -0/+9You're both right, but there is a more obvious explanation. Could it be their retired population is dieing? After all, Florida is not only America's wang, but our nursing home and shuffleboard capital too.
- ChocChunkOaties, on 03/31/2008, -0/+8"I'm from Miami and am rich as *****, so I welcome less people as It will let me buy a nice island for pennies on the dollar."
What the ***** are you smoking? - cababika799, on 03/31/2008, -0/+8You have no idea how many people in South Florida wish this were true!
- Brian47126, on 03/31/2008, -0/+8I live in Key West, and yeah I think taxes have something to do with it; however, the insurance rates have went insane here. Insurance companies assess rates including the value of the land--not just the house. The land is still gonna be there after mister hurricane takes away the home.
I looked at buying a home recently and it went like this:
650,000k home with a zero down loan at 3000 a month
1,000 for taxes a month
1,000 for insurance a month
So you are paying 5,000 a month for a home with a 0 down interest only loan.
And that is a screw job supreme... I don't make the kind of money needed to handle that, and thus I will have to rent here until I give up and move away. - DeskFlyer, on 03/31/2008, -0/+7Don't worry, it'll triple again next winter.
- KyleRayner, on 03/31/2008, -1/+8Florida is where old people go before they die. Kinda hard to expect population growth with that in mind.
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -1/+7Yea I heard the insurgency was relocating there...
/are you ***** serious? - putergirl, on 03/31/2008, -1/+7You're right! Wages do not even come close to being able to cover expenses either. Wonder what the new hot spot is?
- diulei, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5Don't come here to SoCal either unless you're willing to part with a good amount of money for housing and gas. Oh, and the time you'll spend in traffic.
- cababika799, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5Douche.
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5Did you post a comment on her Myspace telling her that her vagina isn't a clown car yet?
- ireland88, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5Thank god, I love south Florida and have witnessed what the population growth dose to small beach towns like mine. It seems like Florida lost it's culture before it had time to create it, and the cost of living is ridiculous even in rural areas. I live in Orlando right now and I hope every one moves the traffic is horrible.
- fabriciom, on 03/31/2008, -0/+4That would be your typical Miami mentality. I'm SUPA rich. Just wait till I finish paying the loan on the loan for this loan.
- SpookyApplePie, on 03/31/2008, -0/+4Destin, FL is a nice place actually
- raybury, on 03/31/2008, -0/+4The headline is certainly incorrect (the word "growth" is missing), but the statement you quote is not. You can still have growth with more out-migration than in-migration simply by having births exceed deaths by more than the excess of out-migration.
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -0/+4*whoosh* His point is that Key West by definition is expensive.
- vault, on 03/31/2008, -0/+4lol
- caccia, on 03/31/2008, -0/+3Peaked out eh'?
- jakeoooh, on 03/31/2008, -1/+4As someone in their 20's, that moved out of South Florida (Palm Beach County) in the past year, I echo the observations in this article. The majority of my friends from Florida have moved, or are in the process of trying to move out. I relocated back to North Carolina, which is where I went to law school, mostly because of the cost of living in Florida. I was renting a 1100sq/ft apartment for around $1300 a month, about 6 miles away from the beach. Here, I custom built a 2300 sq/ft home, in a gated community, and my mortgage payment is around $1200 a month. A few of my employees that relocated from Florida when I moved my company, are paying around $500/mo rent here, versus $1000+ for comparable places in Florida... Friends that own homes are faring much worse off down there, with the huge hike of property taxes and insurance rates after the hurricanes a few years ago- talking an increase of like $10k, for a $300k house...
And, with regards to the comments about illegal immigrants, I would imagine those numbers are on the decrease as well. They have, in the past year or two, started to crack down really hard on illegals- hitting business owners with $10k fines, shutting down apartments that rent to illegals, arresting and holding legal immigrants for not carrying proper documentation, etc.
The fact that Florida has no state income tax is still a good draw, but with the cost of everything else, it doesn't really balance out. - inactive, on 03/31/2008, -0/+3Damn. I'm moving to Florida in two months...
- paker, on 04/01/2008, -0/+3Amen! Thin Florida out a bit!
- crunshii, on 03/31/2008, -0/+3Yea it is REALLY bad. I live in Miami...
- Insurance rate go up every year. Kids are screwed till 25 with over $300-400+ on just insurance.
- Home's value are dropping like flies. Home owners who can't pay them have already filed for foreclosures > Which leads to other houses within the neighborhood house prices to also drop.
- Taxes have gone up in all sections.
- All of Miami keeps building new Condos, houses, apartments, with no end in sight, and no one to fill them up.
- TRAFFIC IS A BITCH! from 3pm to 8pm, takes 1-2h to travel from home to work & vice versa to most of the population.
- Gas is almost $4 a gallon
- Immigration is increasing every year
- Crime rate keeps going up and up.
The only thing that is keeping people here is that there are some good jobs here and there. There is always work for allot of people, but even if you have a good paying job, its hard to survive. Most of my friends are living paycheck to paycheck to being able to pay for their mortgage and maintain their family with enough food to survive. People here are living of Credit Cards to survive and that just brings in more debt. Then hurricane season comes and insurance just decide to go up, wether there are hurricanes or not, they keep going up in prices. The Speedpass Sunpass highway, has double from 2005-08 charges to the highway. used to be $.75, now its $1.50...
This is a serious problem, and we honestly don't see any solution to any of this. People who even want to move out cant, we are stuck here. - Cerebral, on 04/02/2008, -0/+3It won't happen... Especially in Orlando where they have tons of tourism which should... and I stress SHOULD increase with the falling rate of the dollar in the international market.
That being said, I need to take another trip to Disney to ride Pirates then take the bus over to Animal Kingdom. The detail in those parks is amazing. - homesickalien, on 03/31/2008, -0/+3Viagra may help old men fornicate, but it won't reverse menopause in old women.
- Brian47126, on 03/31/2008, -2/+5yes, I live in Key West... some of us diggers are like adults and have real jobs and stuff
- regeya, on 03/31/2008, -1/+4What the hell does Saddam Hussein have to do with morons spending $300k on a house in a disaster-prone, low-wage area, and with banks stupid enough to give the loans?
- Wander2000, on 03/31/2008, -1/+4I live in Miami. If you buy an 'average' home here for say $300k; taxes and insurance alone will run you 10k per year. Your mortgage of about $1750 per month comes out to 21k per year. Thats a total of over 30k in cash that you have to find just for the house. If you can find a decent job here that pays $50k per year, after federal taxes you might have enough for food. In my corner, 3 out of 7 homes are in foreclosure.
But hey - "The World is Safer without Saddam Hussein"! - smartpatrol, on 03/31/2008, -0/+3Thank you for pointing out the error in the headline. However, you can certainly have a negative growth rate or a growth rate of zero.
- DaDrake, on 03/31/2008, -1/+4Its a good thing. Too many people living in environmental-disaster-prone areas in FL because the government forces insurance companies to give rates lower than the actual cost. First, this is bad because they past the cost to other consumers. Secondly, it actually encourages people to move in areas where houses simply shouldn't be built.
We don't need another Katrina.... - TheSwashbuckler, on 03/31/2008, -1/+4"home completely ***** up ever 5 years"
Nah, you just have to get worried about it every year or two.
"huge elderly demographic"
Depends on where you live.
"high taxes"
You're daft. Florida is 38 out of 50 in state and local tax burden.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/335.htm ... - slvrbullet87, on 03/31/2008, -2/+5Damn i was hoping that all the old people finally died out.
- AtHomeBoy2000, on 03/31/2008, -1/+3Did they take into consideration all the old people dying?
- zaii7, on 03/31/2008, -1/+3answer : old people don't *****
- hrhs556x, on 03/31/2008, -2/+4ummm yea dude you live in Key West, FL....
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -0/+2not on south beach - there is so much new construction and so many people it is a little intimidating - almost like a tropical bit of manhattan - less people would work or me -
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -2/+4So you are guys are telling me that illegals are not taking over Florida? Man, that's a huge surprise.
I predict that 10 years down the road even the biggest bigots will jump on the bandwagon of welcoming to this country anyone whoever, most likely mistakenly, still wants to get into it.
So much about the population explosion in America... You better start thinking who is going to pay for your retirement. - Andia83, on 03/31/2008, -0/+2Well it sure hasn't had any impact on the traffic!
- EclipseGSX, on 04/01/2008, -0/+2It's hard to believe this was published by a reputable newspaper. Can they no longer afford editors?
"Florida's population's is dipping."
*****, yo! - Magillicutti, on 04/01/2008, -0/+2I can't stand living in Orlando
- Cytranic, on 03/31/2008, -0/+2I wouldnt want to be anywhere else. Bimini 50 miles from Boca, Hot chicks, awesome beaches, more activities then you know what to do with. I've been here all my life, and I will die here. South Florida rocks.
- o0joshua0o, on 04/01/2008, -0/+2When people can't afford to live somewhere, they tend to move elsewhere.
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