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- Christianptriot, on 08/16/2008, -30/+88While I do not condone police violence or brutality, NONE of us know the circumstances under which the police felt threatened to the point of repeatedly using the Taser.
In all the self-defensive pistol courses and shooting I have done, we are always taught to continue to engage the bad guy under the threat is neutralized - i.e., at least unable to continue the fight if not outright dead, or exited from the area. So we do not know what caused the police to start using the Taser in the first place, but if the suspect continued to offer resistance and the officers were not pushed to the point of using deadly force, then the only other options were to continue to Taser, or to pepper spray and beat on him until the suspect breaks off his resistance.
Dad the homeowner been armed, he would have been justified in shooting and killing the guy outright before the police ever got there, but that is another story and discussion. - ThinkOutTheBox, on 08/16/2008, -4/+59I agree with your comment, but I think the big issue is that tasers are marketed as non-lethal weapons and quite a few people have been turning up dead from taser use here lately.
- asus2000, on 08/16/2008, -11/+49You never know what really happened, the cops lie and make up stories as often as the guys they're arresting, or in this case - torturing and killing.
- villainousT, on 08/17/2008, -8/+34Wasn't this what a small group of people were warning about when police were armed with these things? The technology being abused and people senselessly being killed. Indeedy.
Sad. - spepin, on 08/16/2008, -33/+55Ever since that death of the Polish man a little while back, taser death's seem to be all the rage. That, or they're just getting more exposure.
EDIT: Oops, my bad. They did ask him to stop first. Although were seemingly oblivious to the fact they were killing him.
***** pigs. - zenithmbr, on 08/17/2008, -4/+26So what's wrong with using just OC spray? I worked as a NYS Peace Officer for the past three years and there was never a situation where spray wasn't totally effective in subduing a subject. Even where physical force was required after spraying the subject, it was far better to wrestle the guy into custody than to end up killing him with a taser. It's become increasingly obvious that tasers just aren't safe for police use. Killing a suspect at the scene is totally unacceptable under circumstances where the subject is not immediately endangering the lives of others. This makes the cop the judge and the jury, and is a total miscarriage of justice, regardless of his good intentions. The percentage that die from tasers may be small, but any amount of unnecessary death should be a grave concern. It saddens me that more and more officers are being issued tasers everyday. How many more people must die before these things are outlawed?
- DCLutz77, on 08/17/2008, -1/+23This is the problem with tasers: whenever a cop fires his gun, he has to fill loads and loads of paperwork, go through after-action reviews, and tons of other works to make sure he didn't abuse his power. these kind of regulations don't happen with a tasing.
- infiniphunk, on 08/17/2008, -6/+27Cops are largely untouchable - they get away with whatever they want.
- harrisbradley, on 08/17/2008, -2/+18If anyone came into my house and tried to harm my wife and/or 4 kids, there would be legitimized murder death kill all over the place.
- Tophillious, on 08/17/2008, -8/+23I need to get the ***** outta Florida
- Minarchian, on 08/17/2008, -13/+28The rampage against the people is going at a pretty good clip.
Until we start seeing cops being sent to hard time we'll continue reading these stories of death by cop. - thelif, on 08/17/2008, -7/+20I have to say it is pretty annoying when these cases occur and people proclaim "OMG POLICE STATE" or "OMG ***** THE POLICE". There are probably tens of thousands of policeman in the country and most aren't going to fit the stereotype that people assume. They're people just like you and me, no one wakes up in the morning thinking "Oh man I'm going to kill someone today". It's the same with Digg stories involving doctors that make mistakes, suddenly all doctors can't be trusted and wikipedia is the way to go. Sensationalism is so ***** stupid.
- lennybird, on 08/17/2008, -3/+15I seriously hope this isn't the mentality and maturity level all policemen have... Likewise with military.
- ileftfark, on 08/17/2008, -2/+14It's amazing how keen everyone's sense of judgment and justice are, even with zero context. Unless you have additional information outside the given story, you cannot possibly attribute this to either "an out of control criminal" or, on the other extreme, "police brutality". All the article states is that a man acting erratically was tased by police, and subsequently died.
None of us know if the tasing was the sole direct factor in the man's death, and we do not know if the man was aggressive, on drugs, or was otherwise threatening.
The only thing we know is someone lost their life yesterday, and that is a tragedy, no matter who the person was. But FFS, stop drawing your own conclusions based on evidence that you either assumed or just completely fabricated, and start ranting on that false premise. It's the antithesis of what "justice" is supposed to be, and it makes you look stupid. That is all. - inactive, on 08/17/2008, -19/+31The Florida thugs with badges and guns have done it again!
- WoollyMittens, on 08/17/2008, -1/+12Apart from the violent convulsions?
- artofficial, on 08/16/2008, -26/+36There is never an excuse for murder death kill.
- WoollyMittens, on 08/17/2008, -0/+11A taser is not a gun.
- DeskFlyer, on 08/17/2008, -8/+18Well said.
Another thing to consider is that many of these cases involve the suspect being high on hard drugs, like the following cases.
Example one: http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=228113&src=10 ...
Example two: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/10/18/Taserinq ...
Example three: http://www.policeone.com/police-products/less-leth ...
The list goes on. I'd imagine a jolt from a taser while speedballing will probably mess with your heart, regardless of what caused the police to show up in the first place (probably due to a domestic disturbance or something). - kingjafee, on 08/17/2008, -19/+27Funny how cases have had little too no drugs in their system yet still that was the official coroners report.
Looks like some one is covering someone elses ass.
Tasers are much better than getting shot but put into the hands of people with obviously no proper training on how to deploy them it is basically doing the same thing.
Killing people.
Protect and serve my ass.
The upperclass maybe but the non existent middle class and the lower class get killed by tasers?
I bet no one heard about the guy who got killed after getting tased for 84 seconds.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-06-28/news/dea ...
Take a second and count to 84. It's a long ***** time.
4 times gettin hit with a taser is like his heart was a full battery and the cops are tryin to jump start it.
Has anyone ever tried to jumpstart a full battery before?
Try it out and see what happens.
And for all you accidental death mofos...
You cant accidently tase someone 4 ***** times.
sorry for two posts my brain doesnt think fast enough to edit ***** - ledmonkey, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10Wrong, they are supposed to be a "less-lethal" alternative to using a firearm to subdue a criminal. They are only supposed to be used in the same situation that a firearm can be used.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10I think the problem is most people naturally try to defend themselves when they are getting tasered by a bunch of screaming men. "OWWWW!" *flop around* "STOP RESISTING!!!" *taser*
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10It is. http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html
- bashturd, on 08/17/2008, -6/+14There are not enough facts here to make judgment in either direction. We have no idea what actually happened.
- WoollyMittens, on 08/17/2008, -2/+10In my world you are innocent until proven guilty.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -7/+15Not enough information here. Was the guy on drugs, was he still resisting? So far this article doesn't prove anything, except a man who died was tazed several times.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -10/+18First of all tasers were never marketed as 100% non-lethal. They are however far less lethal than gun fire, which is the only other alternative right now. Last year a police recruit died in my town when he was hit by a taser during training. If the police recruit wants they can get hit with a taser to see what it feels like and it's something most police recruits do, it just happened this one died from it. My guess is it caused a heart arrhythmia. The only other alternative right now is for police to shoot a threatening suspect, but if I had my choice of taser or gun I'd take the taser, please. I do believe tasers are a good alternative, hopefully technology will get something that is just as effective, cheap, and less lethal.
- subterfuge, on 08/17/2008, -0/+8why the ***** was a kid with a broken back being tasered???
- nomadxx7, on 08/17/2008, -1/+8Wow fistulator I think you need a Prozac or something
FTA: Police say 45-year-old Kenneth Oliver of Miami-Dade showed up at a friend's home early Friday morning, shouting and banging on the front door.
The friend, Johnnie Mosely, told police he considered letting Oliver in, but his daughters were frightened by the way Oliver was acting.
So from your "would've let that ***** have his way to break into the house and do god knows what to the family inside" statement it doesn't seem you read the article. Because, you know, all my friends have to worry about me breaking into their house and raping their daughters. The daughters were scared of how he was acting yet we don't know the circumstances on why he was acting that way. I love how you jump on the going to come in and hurt the family angle. From another source it said that this guy was banging on doors asking for help and the guys brother said he has pins in his shoulder so it's hard for him to put his hands behind his back (police said he wouldn't comply with putting his hands behind him = tasing him) and that he had a heart condition. Maybe it was a panic attack or maybe he was having a heart attack. We don't know. But we do know that this guys friend said
"According to Severence, police told Oliver to get down and put his hands behind his back. Apparently, Oliver didn't put his hands behind his back quick enough and Severence said he watched police use a Taser three times. "They Tased him three different times. They just kept Tasing him. I told the police, 'You're going to kill that man,' so after they did it a third time, I just walked away," said Severence.
Severence said his friend saw police shock Oliver a fourth time. "
So end your belligerent tirade and have compassion for once. Sure officers get a bad rap but the problem is that with technology nowadays we can see what they are doing to people. Plus as stated so many times before, once Tasers got the "non-lethal" label police use them for complance and not in place of a gun. A taser was a non-lethal alternative to shooting the guy. Not for making someone do as you wish. - socivitus, on 08/16/2008, -22/+28People know about tasers when they're resisting arrest. While I don't condone the officers actions or justify the man's death, until more evidence is presented that shows otherwise, this was an accidental death.
- TheSnuffster, on 08/17/2008, -1/+8Common sense. You have none.
- 9bpm9, on 08/17/2008, -3/+10Of course nobody understand that though, because while they think people who support the police are brainwashed, they themselves are brainwashed by the media.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -2/+9Florida = America's Penis
- 9bpm9, on 08/17/2008, -1/+8You don't have to hit the enter button every god damn sentence.
- gquaglia, on 08/17/2008, -3/+10Doesn't matter. On Digg, the police are guilty no matter what. How long have you been here.
- iPissExcellence, on 08/17/2008, -2/+9Except when Simon says "Die"
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -1/+7No you are wrong! A tazer has a trigger - if it is DESIGNED to give multiple shocks. A one shot tazer would be easy enough to design if that were the case. It has multiple shots in it because, just like a gun, everyone does not just fall down and start cooperating when hit.
- MarsSentinel, on 08/17/2008, -0/+6try.
cops/killers literally get away with murder because the system that polices them is...the police. you ever turn yourself in for anything? i didnt think so. neither do they.
sure, most cops are good blah blah blah...tough job blah blah blah, 2 seconds to decide 2 years to review blah blah blah.
fact is cops are still the most dangerous people out there and your average citizen is more likely to be abused and harmed by a cop than a different type of criminal. - natenovs, on 08/17/2008, -2/+8would you prefer that the police shot and killed him with a gun?
- raybury, on 08/17/2008, -3/+9Next time you're wrestling with a suspect, take note if you feel any sudden nerve reactions. That'll be their knife going into your guts.
- isosdcftp, on 08/17/2008, -3/+9Apparently, Oliver didn't put his hands behind his back quick enough and Severence said he watched police use a Taser three times. "They Tased him three different times. They just kept Tasing him. I told the police, 'You're going to kill that man,' so after they did it a third time, I just walked away," said Severence.
Severence said his friend saw police shock Oliver a fourth time.
Edwin Oliver said his brother has pins in his shoulders, which make it too difficult to put his arms behind his back. "He can't put his hands behind his back," he explained, "and they just start tasing him and tasing him until they killed him, and, you know, it's sad, it's so many incidents in South Florida with these Tasers, trigger-happy Tasers, and they're killing people and they try to justify it."
From: http://www1.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI94197/ - zenithmbr, on 08/17/2008, -5/+10ignorance is bliss, eh I300?
- Minarchian, on 08/17/2008, -4/+10How am I wrong?
Wrong about what? - inactive, on 08/17/2008, -6/+12mobile electric chair
- JonHs, on 08/17/2008, -4/+9um..
Boy breaks back = tazered 19 times.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie ...
There are lot of cases where someone gets tasered when not breaking any laws. - positron, on 08/17/2008, -1/+6The "Protect and Serve" motto is a PR tool with no basis in law or practice. Judges have consistently ruled that the police have no duty to protect individuals. An officer's sole obligation is to enforce law with no regard to prevention. This is not to say that they can't use crime prevention tactics, but only that they can not be held legally accountable for failure to do so. (see http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protectio ... )
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==============* - inactive, on 08/17/2008, -2/+7"I bet no one heard about the guy who got killed after getting tased for 84 seconds."
Wow.. that article is crazy. That cop needs to be tased for even half as long. - smotpoker, on 08/17/2008, -1/+6That's what I did after 2 false arrests in Tampa the 9 months I lived there (one of which the cop physically abused me and told me in front of another cop to my face he was going to lie in court)
- gquaglia, on 08/17/2008, -10/+15"NONE of us know the circumstances under which the police felt threatened to the point of repeatedly using the Taser."
Apparently Diggtard, msaleem, thinks he knows. Otherwise he wouldn't have used the inflammatory title that he did. Story buried for typical Digg Police hating blather. - inactive, on 08/17/2008, -9/+14Just like a good slave.
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