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- Rain12913, on 11/13/2009, -1/+25Because it's likely that most of the people who worship in these places are not involved with the illegal activity that the owners are involved in. Since the authorities involved have made the decision to allow these places to stay open, they've clearly determined that this is the case, and that to deny people of their place of worship due to the wrongdoings of the management is to set a very dangerous precedent that could lead to unneeded backlash.
I'm an athiest who thinks that religion is absurd, but even I can understand this decision. - mike2lane, on 11/13/2009, -15/+38... and Obama does something that even Bush did not have the balls to do! I wonder how the Neo-cons will spin this one as "weakness."
- SandyLanders, on 11/13/2009, -18/+40Good seize them. They are havens for radical muslims aligned with Iran.
- non00b, on 11/13/2009, -3/+18Big deal. How many Saudi controlled mosques, organizations, and property are prevalent in the USA. Remember that Osama and most of the 9/11 hijackers come from there.
Oh wait, they are 'allies' and have more oil than Iran , carry on. - Dervish108, on 11/13/2009, -3/+15Then: Only Nixon could go to China
Now: Only Barack Hussein Obama could seize the mosques
;) - Podunkparte, on 11/13/2009, -3/+15He does nothing, you complain. Now he does something, and you complain. Am I right?
- shasty55, on 11/13/2009, -5/+13i hope you do realize that federal prosecutors are far removed from the obama administration
- stuffradio, on 11/13/2009, -4/+11... and you know how the Neo-dems would spin this if Bush did it.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -0/+6Um, what the ***** does this have to do with Obama? Oh yeah, nothing.
FTA: "Suspicion about the Alavi Foundation transcends three administrations," Rubin said. "It's taken ages dealing with the nuts and bolts of the investigation. It's not the type of investigation which is part of any larger strategy." - faskippy, on 11/13/2009, -0/+5Great! Any Saudi supporting Mosques on that list?
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -1/+6That made absolutely no sense, especially in the context of this article which has nothing to do with religion aside from the fact that these organizations happen to have a religious front.
The crimes they're accused of are political. - CaptCarrot, on 11/13/2009, -2/+6I think it's safe to assume religious buildings are used by religious people.
- Dregganaut, on 11/13/2009, -6/+10Just more pressure on Iran. It will probably destabilize their currency a little. It would be nice if the USA didn't have to play these games.
- harvinator24, on 11/13/2009, -1/+5All religions are known to do harm. Scientology is the sarah palin of American politics, small, recent, and will hopefully be gone soon, while the Roman Catholic church is the George Washington of American politics the ramifications on any action can be felt for generations.
- brandnewx, on 11/13/2009, -2/+6Yeah you know, some people just hate their lives. They live in a world of hate.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -7/+10Hm, maybe try reading the article next time.
The facilities are accused of illegally funneling funds back to Iran.
This has nothing to do with religion or "radical muslims." - thepeacemaker, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3It's more like an issue between the building owners and the FBI. The mosques operate independently of the Alavi foundation and the building facilities have practically been donated to the mosque organizations (on a rent free indefinite lease) by Alavi. These mosques are run by regular folks with day time jobs and the finances, speeches, activities, etc are all open to the public. You can hear the speeches live online.
- zombies187, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4I notice Obama isn't mentioned in this article.
- mollydog12, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3how did they ever slip this one by eric holder ? must have been at a seiu planing meeting or something.
- 3The3Dude3, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4I'm quite shocked, to be honest. But only a fool changes their beliefs of right and wrong to better fit the candidate they did or did not elect. I think he has done a terrible job, overall. But, President Obama got this one right. The next step is to properly acknowledge the attack on Fort Hood as a Terrorist attack and get the wounded and dead awarded with the Purple Heart.
A Muslim is as welcome in America as a Christian, Jew or atheist. A terrorist, regardless of religion, ethnicity, or ideology is not - and when confronted with terror -we must not act as otherwise in order to prevent offending someone. I'm not a fan of abortion. But bombing a clinic is a terrorist act. I can acknowledge that, without offense taken, because I am not a terroist. I have faith that Muslims and Muslim Americans have the ability to do the same. - 2Six119, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3Nice try, Iran!
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3"Money is not an issue."
Interesting theory. Please elaborate on how one obtains nuclear materials and scientists all willing to work entirely for free and then operates the facilities necessary for such a program at no monetary cost. I'm very interested in this. - moo113, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3Pierre Trudeau went before Nixon.
- Yage2006, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4Oh when did scientology fly planes in to buildings or send suicide bombers to shopping malls.
FYI I hate scientology but c'mon - SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -2/+4You struggle with reading comprehension?
FTA: Prosecutors said the Alavi Foundation managed the office tower on behalf of the Iranian government and, working with a front company known as Assa Corp., illegally funneled millions in rental income to Iran's state-owned Bank Melli. Bank Melli has been accused by a U.S. Treasury official of providing support for Iran's nuclear program, and it is illegal in the United States to do business with the bank.
Also:
"Suspicion about the Alavi Foundation transcends three administrations," Rubin said. "It's taken ages dealing with the nuts and bolts of the investigation. It's not the type of investigation which is part of any larger strategy."
Or would you prefer we allow Iranian organizations to break our laws and send funding, American money, back to their home state just so we don't ruffle Iran's feathers? - SanDiegoFreeway, on 11/13/2009, -0/+2@moo113
And Pierre Trudeau didn't have Nixon's clout. - thavi, on 11/13/2009, -2/+4I guess it goes without saying that there's a lot more going on here than is made public, but I wish that I could even track down all the basic claims made by the government. There's gonna be a lot of hell over this.
- CaptCarrot, on 11/13/2009, -1/+3Wait for it.
- niselat, on 11/13/2009, -1/+3If this is just a one time action to make up for the horrendous mistakes the led to Ft. Hood, then it is just the typical Obama dog and pony show.
If it starts a real focus on rooting these vermin out of our country, it should be lauded.
F outrage from American Muslims. Where is their "outrage" when their own commit an act of violence? If they are Muslims before they are Americans, they can get on a plane to Baghdad and be "outraged" all they want - Podunkparte, on 11/13/2009, -3/+5Wow, I checked his profile... You're a 39 year old who can't think of anything more intelligent to say than "***** Obama?" You're pathetic
- stuffradio, on 11/13/2009, -2/+4"you guys"? I'm not a Republican.
"A neoDemocrat would be someone who abandoned conservative values for liberal ones."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200906 ...
Or have you just defined the value of neo-con as someone who is crazy? Because that's not the definition... I believe that is the most widely accepted Left wing definition of a neo-con though. - SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1@murx: Germany in WWII used slave labor, so, yeah, I guess that's a way to save money. Also, funds and raw materials were a HUGE issue and prompted the looting of a lot of occupied territories. Ultimately shortages lost them the war more than anything.
The USA went into massive debt to fund WWII. At its peak, our national deficit was around 120% of our GDP, the highest in our nations history. We had to pay all of that back. Stuff NEVER just comes "out of thin air."
So, yes, short of slave labor and invading foreign nations to rob them you most certainly DO need money to trade people or they aren't going to work for you or give you their raw materials.
I don't know what fantasy land you live in where money is just a "virtual thing", but it so happens that practically everyone else in the world regards it as a very real thing with value. Therefore, it has value, and you're going to have a hard time acquiring materials (especially the rare kinds required for nuclear weapons) and labor (especially that of highly educated persons such as nuclear physicists and technicians) without it. - shdwfx, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1Then help me out... I don't recall Iran flying planes into buildings either!
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1It was also in the article that the bank is believed to fund the Iranian nuclear program. That's a diplomatic policy issue, not just a label of 'evil.'
Or do you think funding Iran's nuclear program is a good way to avoid going to war with them? - 3The3Dude3, on 11/13/2009, -1/+2First, Obama did get this one right. Now, Podunkparte, enjoy the irony of listening to "American Idiot" by Green Day, while reflecting on your disdain for those who speak unkindly of the new guy.
- 3The3Dude3, on 11/13/2009, -1/+2Clarity: I'm not blanketing Muslims as Terroists. However, you cannot simply dismiss religion if the money is being funneled back to the Islamic Republic of Iran.
- mhelal2, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1First of all, I don't think the money is an issue for Iran. Iran is a big country and they have enough money to bulid it if they want. Scientist could work for less money than the regualr Amreican scientist because they would think that they are doing huge favor for their country.
All I'm saying, the whole thing is a propogand in order to make the public opinion more accepting for war against Iran, like what happened against Iraq.
This time I have the right to be suspecious, because you remember how the gov lied about the WMD in Iraq, so why won't they lie about these mosques? - obamaisstalin, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1..."I wonder how the Neo-cons will spin this one as weakness."
How about this? : This month's donation checks from the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to the Democratic National Committee must have bounced. lol.
Seriously, though, this seizure will be a step in the right direction if Federal Marshals win what I'm sure will be a protracted legal battle. Liberal federal judges trying this case must somehow manage to prioritize our national interests over political correctness. - Elranzer, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1It doesn't matter what Obama does. He's a liberal and he's black. The GOP are going to hate him.
- UltraMegaFilms, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1You know what, George made some of the dumbest mistakes a president has ever made. It is obvious to almost everyone that the man was severely and recklessly incompetent. But...
Years from now, we will look back and notice that although so many people suffered from his policies and actions, it was that eye opening experience that will have taught us our ways had flaws. In other words, Americans are lazy, and someone has to ***** on us to get us in the shower. - johncolereb, on 11/15/2009, -0/+1 Maybe the Obama administration can do something, anything right.. taking away all shady muslim operations should start now and be SWEEPING...
- rrwest, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1Four down, thousands more to go.
Follow the chain of command and you will eventually see that most mosques' leadership gets their information and funds from either Cairo, Mecca/Riyadh, Tehran or even Beriut. - lorm, on 11/15/2009, -0/+1Now that the inmates are running Gitmo and determining daily conditions and gimmees, why not turn it over to Iran as a "goodwill" gesture (and we can throw in a "we surrender" and "we bow down (VERY low) to you")?
- bubba9999, on 11/13/2009, -2/+3I heard the buildings really belong to Glen Beck. I don't know that for a fact, but I don't understand why he hasn't denied owning them yet.
- shylove, on 11/13/2009, -1/+2Weren't we and our CIA the ones who overthrew their govenment in 1954?? Just wondering, How about arming the horrible Saddam and siccing him on Iran. And also are we the one's whose Navy shot down an Iranian commercial airline full of civilians within their own airspace from within their territorial waters. Might the interference in other's internal affairs have started with us I wonder???
- ryanonfire, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1ah makes sense now thanks.
- thepeacemaker, on 11/13/2009, -3/+3The mosques in question operate independently of the Alavi foundation and are run on a volunteer basis by regular folks with day time jobs. Alavi foundation has essentially handed over the buildings to the mosque organizations indefinitely with the understanding that they be used as places of worship. The mosques do not provide Alavi foundation with any rent/funds. The FBI is really after the Alavi foundation's funds that actually belong to the people of Iran and seized by the US govt after the Iranian revolution. One of these four mosques (in Houston) barely manages to make financial ends meet. Their speeches are broadcast live on the internet for all to see and their finances are also presented by the board members on a regular basis. The mosque is open for anyone to visit.
http://www.iec-houston.org - unit001, on 11/13/2009, -4/+4As a neo-con, we're pretty stoked Obama is finally doing something we can get behind.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -3/+3That's not why this was done, and it's probably not the case.
- PennIT, on 11/14/2009, -1/+1Digging you for using "cognitive dissonance" in a sentence. Nice Job!
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