What is Digg?Warning: The Content in this Article May be Inaccurate
Readers have reported that this story contains information that may not be accurate.900 Comments
- Cryptocracy, on 08/21/2008, -34/+409I am going to start a Demolition company called "New Phenomenon Demolition" and we will save our customers the expense of professionally planting explosive charges by merely setting a fire next to one support beam of the building, thereby creating a global collapse of the building neatly into its own footprint.
How long you think we will be in business? - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -50/+358You can't argue with the new phenomenon, mother *****. You want to know why? Cause I ***** created it. That's why. Now, shut up and quit thinking. That's our job over here at the "Make ***** Up As We Go Along Institute."....Ahem, I mean the "National Institute of Standards and Technology."
- quakerorts, on 08/21/2008, -41/+280They couldn't find a tape of an explosion sound?! They should have called me, or simply checked YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3byu5jYKcio - StingingNettle, on 08/21/2008, -11/+204I'm totally going to invest in your company with paper that isn't backed by anything.
- tillerman00, on 08/21/2008, -31/+222I think this 'new phenomenon' they're describing is actually quite old. It's what's known as *****.
Blow me, NIST. - sheasie, on 08/21/2008, -31/+216The most plausible explanation (controlled demolition) is dismissed as "impossible" due to lack of "explosions" ?? BWAHAHAHA!! Seriously, that is ***** funny. (Makes me think that a monkey on weed could be a researcher for the NIST.)
"Controlled demolition?! Nah. Impossible. I didn't here any boom! Did you hear a boom? Nope, not me. I didn't hear no boom. Hmmm.... It must be some new natural phenomenon that has never been witnessed in history. Oh yes. Clearly that is the only reasonable explanation!"
No wonder it took them 7 years. Those poor bastards at NIST had to invent an entirely new natural phenomenon to make that building fall.
(The NIST should have just gone with the leprechaun theory - it would have been as believable.) - nordic, on 08/21/2008, -22/+190Last December, NIST said that the fires died down in 20 minutes in any given location in the building.
"At any given location the combustibles needed about 20 minutes to be consumed."
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACMeetingMinutes1218 ...
Do they now explain how such short-lived office fires could have caused ANY steel to weaken in ANY way? According to a Finnish engineering document, a typical office fire can raise the temperature of fire-protected steel to a maximum of 200 degrees Celsius in 20 minutes' exposure.
It seems that a narrow Finnish wooden plank is more fire-resistant than massive WTC steel:
http://juhannuskokko.blogspot.com/ - GlobalistShill, on 08/21/2008, -27/+159Some motivating factors, money trail, additional information for the table about Building 7:
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7.html
Also,... remember BBC's Jane Standley reporting in NY when it fell 20 minutes before it actually did!? The building is even visible behind her in the live feed. Then BBC "lost the line" with her (all in this unedited clip)...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc
Maybe it's all part of the 'new phenomenon'? - sdocpublishing, on 08/22/2008, -26/+152So the WTC towers 1 and 2 experienced the phenomenon of being the only two steel buildings in history, EVER, to collapse and crumble into powder on the same day the Building Seven experienced the phenomenon of being the only building in history to collapse, and crumble, into its own footprint from Thermal Expansion.
The same day, three buildings suffer from never before experienced collapses?
No *****? really? Two phenomenon, three buildings, one day. Really?
Allen Funt is gonna walk in and say, "Your on Candid Camera" any minute now. - inactive, on 08/22/2008, -19/+133When Larry Silverstein said "we decided to pull it [WTC7]" he clearly meant "pull it" in the sense of "thermal expansion".
- richmomz, on 08/22/2008, -34/+144I have a degree in Chemical Engineering from a top university, and I declare with certified authority that this 'expanding steel' theory is utter *****.
Nevermind the fact that there have been hundreds of incidents of high rise office building fires over the last 100 years or so and a structural steel failure of this type has never been documented to my knowledge. - Minarchian, on 08/22/2008, -17/+106I'm going to tell you one thing.
If an office fire can bring down such a large building I think every tower in the world should post warning signs, at their entrances, that the buildings are unsafe.
I've been trying to stay on the fence on this issue, and I'll stay there until I read more exactly what the NIST report says, but right now it does not look good for NIST and the *official* conspiracy theories re WTC-7. - TellsTruth, on 08/22/2008, -21/+101VIEW THIS SHORT INTERVIEW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU
the FULL and UNCUT interview with Barry Jennings (office of Emergency Management)
Barry was in WTC7 on the morning of 9/11 and puts his account on the record.
He tells of EXPLOSIONS, DEAD BODIES, and a BLOWN OUT LOBBY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU - StopTheLie, on 08/22/2008, -21/+97"While we're pointing out the obvious, how about an obvious yet unasked question: Why weren't explosives the first thing considered as the cause for the WTC buildings' collapse? Terrorists regularly use bombs to attack their targets, countless reputable eyewitnesses reported bombs going off, buildings have never collapsed in the manner witnessed on 9/11 without the help of explosives, and in 1993 explosives were successfully placed (by terrorists) and detonated in one of the same buildings that fell on 9/11! To have the government bend itself into an intellectual pretzel to make their "fire initiated collapse" theory stick (without spending any time looking into the more plausible theory) makes no sense whatsoever."
http://stopthelie.com/fire_initiated_collapse.html ... - Borgcube636, on 08/22/2008, -17/+83Wait... So they really think that heat causes things to expand, which has been known to physics for a long, long time, is a "new phenomenon"??
- Cryptocracy, on 08/21/2008, -5/+64Not in the potty, that paper is backed by the promise of a wiped butt.
- thorny904, on 08/22/2008, -22/+79Our government is lying to us as an excuse to impose martial law and a fascist state. I'll never get over that, and neither should you.
- PhilLesh69, on 08/22/2008, -6/+62Yeah, since Jet Fuel is basically diesel or kerosene, you can use biodiesel made from used vegetable oil. Heck, you can even get Chinese restaurants and fast food franchises to pay you to dispose of their used fryer grease.
This will be the most cost efficient demolition method ever imagined.
(And I do mean imagined, as this new round of explaning away the facts is purely imaginary) - 10lbhammer, on 08/21/2008, -26/+81I'm really surprised herk or jss aren't here yet to tell you "troofers" just how ridiculously retarded you sound! I mean, if the go'ment and NIST say it, it must be the truth! and who are you to question the "truth"?
- Catspaw, on 08/22/2008, -19/+73I wonder what the Jersey Girls, Kristen Breitweiser, Patty Casazza, Lorie Van Auken, and Mindy Kleinberg, will have to say about this latest whitewash. I feel very sorry for the family members - they deserve to know the truth.
The 1993 WTC bombing was also an inside job. It was the work of the FBI. Mr Salem, who was hired by the FBI, recorded the head of the FBI telling him to go ahead and plant the explosives - it was in the mainstream newspapers and the FBI admitted to it. Refer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n76g57X4hM - inactive, on 08/22/2008, -15/+67How stupid do they think we are?
- MorganMghee, on 08/22/2008, -15/+67there must be a dim smokey room somewhere filled with old people thinking up the next 'what will they believe' and jotting down bets.
- theNazz, on 08/22/2008, -14/+65Check Larry's insurance policy and you'll see the most direct cause of 9/11...
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -6/+55Where ever would you find such paper?
/s - bphicke, on 08/22/2008, -18/+66I once took a tour of a Budweiser factory. I now put chemical engineer on my resume.
- Observant1, on 08/22/2008, -23/+70dugg for exposing how stupid the educated morons at NIST really expect us all to be. they are outright guilty of yet another attempt to cover up what really happened and should be charged.
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -26/+719/11 was so sketch... Only morons would believe the official story.
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -19/+63Couldn't have had anything to do with the Mossad surveillance team that was so delighted by the events of the day:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisra ...
Nope. Just "thermal expansion" - inactive, on 08/22/2008, -80/+123Look, I'm the last guy to trust the government, but 9/11 was not an inside job. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
Why do you "truthers" never mention other buildings damaged by the debris? A nearby building had over a BILLION dollars in damage, and a church that was BLOCKS AWAY was destroyed. 110 story buildings falling down tend to cause ***** damage, and explosions tend to have the same effect, EXPLOSIONS that came from airplanes FFS!
Whatever though, since we don't know how it happened 100%, it MUST be a conspiracy by the government who was paid by the zionists who want to create an NWO so they could enslave the world and start wars and....SEE? IT'S SO SIMPLE.
I don't know how X happened, therefore the "X" did it. Theists fill X in with god, conspiracy theorists fill it in with "the government". Then they create a backstory, with no evidence. - inactive, on 08/22/2008, -14/+57Who believes this crap? I can see some 'gullible' ones are supporting the 'theory'...you'd have to be a ****in doorknob to believe this bull. Of course it is the American government talking to American's so I guess it could fly there, they did vote for Bush twice.
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -17/+61controlled demolition is not a new phenom
- MrFlibble1, on 08/22/2008, -12/+55> I have a degree in Chemical Engineering from a top university, and I declare with certified authority that this 'expanding steel' theory is utter *****.
Then, with your degree, you would know that in science this is known as an Argument From Authority Fallacy. - omenmedia, on 08/22/2008, -7/+47Well, perhaps next time you stop by, you could ask why Dr. John Gross from NIST publicly denied any knowledge of the molten steel "hot spots" that were in the rubble for weeks after the attacks, and when informed by an audience member that it was observed both by eyewitnesses and NASA thermal imaging, he then asked that person to send him the images, yet refused to give the same individual his contact details after the talk.
Seriously, if it has taken them this long to come out with a report on WTC7, don't you think they are grasping at straws trying to come up with a reason for why it collapsed? - inactive, on 08/22/2008, -16/+57I didn't know that planted explosives were a new phenomenon
- modusop, on 08/22/2008, -15/+53This is totally inexcusable. How in the world can they get away with this Big-Brother style information distortion? This is like saying the twin towers collapsed because of a mini black hole or something.
- bushfocker, on 08/22/2008, -21/+56but guys the gov. said terrorist in a cave did it, why shouldnt we believe the gov.
- PhilLesh69, on 08/22/2008, -7/+40Unless you were standing around in Battery Park City, or in a building at 45 Broadway on the 21st floor (which my father's employees were) you wouldn't hear the various pre-collapse explosions. It has always amazed me that people who watched on TV from Iowa or Kentucky would make that argument, since they were not there.
And nobody would hear the explosions of thermite since thermite doesn't go boom, it makes a sound more like an arc welder, and considering that it started 900 feet up in the air, and the rumble of the collapsing material progressively got louder as it collapsed, who would here those cutting charges, even if they were standing across the street in the world financial center? - stormkrow, on 08/22/2008, -3/+32It's a Festivus Miracle!!!
All of the laws of physics stood still on that day.
Kerosene managed to burn 1000 Deg F hotter than it could ever be capable of.
Every regulation and safe guard ever put in place by the US Air Force, NORAD and the FAA was completely ignored.
An entire 757 completely evaporated into thin air at the pentagon with only the lone passport of 1of the suspected hijackers surviving the titanium dissolving, aluminum liquefying, stainless steel disintegrating, galvanized steel melting, Teflon deliquescing, rubber razing, all engulfing inferno.
A 47 story reinforced with concrete, cross member trussed, steel framed building collapsed completely into it's own footprint in 6.9 seconds from "thermal expansion".
AND...
At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were already being broadcast on live television; fifteen minutes later at 9:03 a.m our president sat for 17 minutes during "the darkest day in American history" and read a book.....about...a goat.
Yeah! Truthers are the crazy ones.
digg me down
but think for your god damned self and do a little f**king research. - deepbl, on 08/22/2008, -5/+33You can't put scientific integrity in the bank and save it for later. Regardless of how credible they have been in the past, they still must follow the process of scientific inquiry when they agree to conduct an investigation.
To say that controlled demolition can be ruled out because nobody heard any bombs going off is simply illogical. There is nothing specific about controlled demolition that requires noise-making bombs - the only requirement is that the building is demolished on cue. - odigity, on 08/22/2008, -2/+30If he really is an engineer, then he's probably familiar with the Argument From Authority fallacy. But, you see, the problem is that too many people believe the official story because they don't realize argument from authority *is* a fallacy. So he's fighting fire with fire, so to speak.
In effect, he's saying, "oh, you believe NIST and the Feds because they're the government, and have lots of paid scientists? Well, I have a degree, too, from the same establishment of authority you place your faith in, and I say they're wrong". - SilverBlade2k, on 08/22/2008, -0/+281) Because American media is controlled by the same people who control the U.S Government.
2) The ignorance of the American people is unbelievable.
3) People these days have not only been trained, but are also encouraged to only care about themselves and their loved ones, and to not care about anything else.
4) The government wants their people to have to rely on them for everything, and in order to do that, they have to create/allow a situation to happen so that they can come out with the 'reason' that they have to revoke some/all of your rights over time, in the name of 'security' - JoeRW, on 08/22/2008, -2/+30Hes referring to Appendix C of the FEMA report.
- JMScheib, on 08/22/2008, -34/+61Reptilians did 911
- bjornski, on 08/22/2008, -2/+29And there wasn't even any jet fuel in that fire.
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -5/+33David why didn't the same thing occur at the Avianca building fire in Bogotá in 1973?
http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view397035.html
It also burned for hours without water, but it didn't produce any molten metal and didn't fall straight down into a pile.
It took the government 7 years to produce this study. Have you ever seen it take seven years for the insurance compies and the fire inspectors to determine the cause of a fire and the cause of a collapse of a structure. The entire investigation was conducted in secret and none of the raw data was released, only the conclusions. No mention was made of the tons of molten metal.
Like many Americans you trust your governemnt to tell you the truth, but don't you accept that war with Iraq was on the agenda from the first week of the Bush Presidency? Don't you accept that intelligence was changed and falsified to get us into war.
Turn off the TV, and think about how many different and truly implausable things we are expected to believe. Hey, one or two implausable things can happen, but series of dozens of highly unlikely occurrences that all lead us into the war that the PNAC had stated in 1998 was the goal of the administrations foreign policy makers......
It is good to be cynical buddy - xenoc1de, on 08/22/2008, -17/+44Why were there twenty posts of people for the conspiracy before someone says this. We have some sort of "truth brigade" tonight?
- bjornski, on 08/22/2008, -6/+33Bush got a 2nd term....
You've got nearly half the citizens voting against their best interests. They're their own worst enemy, but don't know it. - PhilLesh69, on 08/22/2008, -7/+32But jets hit the towers, and the jet fuel caused the collapse!
oh wait. What do you mean WTC 7? Did that building collapse, too?? - ZenMojo, on 08/22/2008, -5/+31So...wait...this ***** about WTC 7 really is shady? Good God, if we're wearing t-shirts saying "The Truthers Were Right" five years from now, I'm moving to France.
- omenmedia, on 08/22/2008, -1/+26"2) The top 40 floors of one of these buildings falling ON TOP OF WTC7."
Um, no, no they did not. There was damage to the south face of the building from the collapse of the towers, but the top 40 floors did not fall ON TOP of WTC7. -
Show 51 - 100 of 908 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is