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Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab

breitbart.com — In yet another example of the Muslim "honor killings" that are becoming more common in the West, a father in the Toronto suburb of Mississauga has strangled to death his sixteen-year-old daughter, because she did not want to conform to Muslim requirements by wearing a headscarf.

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  • exgop, on 12/12/2007, -131/+638Don't ya just love the peaceful tolerant religion of Islam.
    • EditorResponse, on 12/12/2007, -130/+210Islam sucks.
      • mowe, on 12/12/2007, -73/+38What the hell is wrong with you, I can't believe people actually dugg you up for saying that.
        You ***** douche bag, I don't care if you were trying to be "funny".
        • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -14/+52Dude he is totally right. If some Hindu or Christian killed his kid in the name of his religion I would say that religion sucked.
          I don't discriminate against people for being islamic but that religion tends to cause people (yes the extremists) to do aweful things that other religions don't. I can't remember the last time I heard of a Budist monk stoning someone.

          Grow up.
        • senatorpjt, on 12/12/2007, -5/+6@BGog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Charles_Kopp
          • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -7/+25I stand by my words. Chritianity sucks.
            To be fair I DO understand the concept of extremists. I do not judge the people of islam but the religion itself. It tends to cause many many people to cross lines that would sicken most of the world. When a 17 year old rape victim is stoned by their villiage, thats many people participating, in the name of the religion, I call it into question. It is a bit different than a lone gunman.

            I do take your point however and it may be better to simply say. Religion sucks.
          • Vincent21212, on 12/12/2007, -6/+13ONE ***** NUTJOB CASE!

            Your point is not valid, senator. Of all major religons, Islam is the most hateful and chaotic. This brutal treatment of humans is common among muslims. Those muslims who claim that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance ARE THE MINORITY!

            The same way other religions evolve over time to appease the host government (ex. Mormon's acceptance of blacks in the late 70's and rejection of polygamy amidst individual prosecution) so do moderate muslims attempt to clamor the good intentions of their religion. The reality is brutality as far is Islam is concerned. Don't be fooled. Just because your muslim neighbor doesn't beat the ***** out of his niece for marrying a non-muslim, doesn't mean it isn't condoned, encouraged and happening elsewhere, mainly in the places that spawned the ***** religion.
          • Dibou, on 12/12/2007, -16/+5Yeah, a guy killing because of abortions and a guy killing because Islam says his daughter must wear a headscarf are equally bad. Nice fantasy world you live in.
          • senatorpjt, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2That's stupid. If you're going to judge the religion, Christianity is just as bad, if not worse, than Islam. They're both incredibly violent religions according to their texts. The difference is the violence of the followers. The Bible says that people should be drug to the edge of town and stoned to death for various minor offenses, the difference is whether people actually do it.
        • csopelario, on 12/12/2007, -12/+13so why would you say the religion in its entirety 'sucks' or whatever? I know if some hindu or christian kill his kid, i wouldn't judge their religion as a whole - the guy was some crazy guy.
          • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -2/+20I totally agree if it happened 10 times a year. However many many thousands of women and girls are killed specifically in the name of islam. Because they didn't follow some moral code or simply because they were a rape victim. I'm only saying that there is something about islam that causes MORE people to do these horrible things in the name of their god.

            No religion is innocent.
          • bludragn0, on 12/12/2007, -0/+7If a single, isolated event happened, then you might give the religion the benefit of the doubt. I for one believe that there are some good aspects of Islam (brotherhood mainly), but it really sickens and horrifies me that things like this happen so often and it's given at best, a passing glance by the authorities. Islam is under the world's spotlight right now. If it is true, it'll stand up to the criticism. If it is chock full of malarckey, well...
          • Vincent21212, on 12/12/2007, -0/+5bludragn, btw, this brotherhood you speak of also does not come without a price. Men in islamic countries tend to be VERY VERY VERY close. It would make you uncomfortable. Woman are viewed as serving only the purpose of bearing children and serving men. The men fulfill companionship and emotional needs with other men (if we were in highschool, we'd say they're gay). You should see how these married men held hands and twiddled eachothers hair on their lunch breaks!!! And they were "Stragiht"!!! I was now able to understand why you can treat your wife and all other females like *****. It was because of this ***** brotherhood.

            Btw, I'm talking about my stint in Iraq, and the locals who worked there
        • brownsound00, on 12/12/2007, -10/+4Would you digg someone down for saying the Christian religion sucks?
          Well, usually people say there are extremists everywhere and for every religion. This is no example. Many people have taken alot of the original teachings of many various religions, including Christianity, and turned it into this rule of life, be all and end all law. Religion is meant to provide meaning, and be discussed or analyzed, not taken completely literally. Moreover, it shoudl still be realized that everyone has their own opinion on the "greater being." I mean, I believe there are things science can't explain. Maybe we aren't advanced enough to know it, or maybe it was God. Who knows? Well, everyone should be able to believe what they want, and not made fun of for that.

          But to the main point, you can't then, take these conservative extremists and extrapolate that to the whole religion. Thats like saying all christians are choir boy rapers or whatever. or all Middle Easterns are terrorists, or blacks are voodoo worshippers. None of these are true, but wtih the exception of the first one, the other 2 were/are common stereotypes.
          So don't say this guy is the example of all of the religion
      • Blueee, on 12/12/2007, -32/+17you're a ***** jackass.
        Wnat me to point out all the bad points of humanity in general?
        he hypocracy of Christianity?
        The lunacy of Judaism?
        • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -6/+18You are correct on all counts except for the Jackass one. Humanity... sucky. Christianity... more sucky. etc ... etc...
          If 1000s of people stoned their women and girls in the name of Digg.com, then I would say digg.com sucks. You are far too tolerant of evil.
      • aman78, on 12/12/2007, -18/+87All religions suck. Period. Nothing else has killed more people than the stupidity of religion. God tells these ***** to kill. What a ***** sick joke that is.
        • sanman, on 12/12/2007, -16/+7Some religions suck more than others. It's not like there was game-balancing system that ensured all religions would have symmetrical tradeoffs leading to equal suckiness.
        • Vincent21212, on 12/12/2007, -13/+4uh oh, sounds like you have beef with God. Theres a solution to that: don't believe the con-artists *****.
        • brownsound00, on 12/12/2007, -4/+15Hey man, i couldn't agree with you more. If there is anything that sums up religion, it is satanism. Contrary to popular belief, they don't actually worship God. Nope, they actually use Satan as a metaphor to represent them rebelling against Christianity, even having parodies of Catholic masses. Moreover, founder LaVey once said, "The only reason Christians go to Church is because of Satan." Meaning, they fear Satan so much, they go to church. Religion has turned from something that provides meaning and understanding...to a chore. Its really just a joke now.
          • brownsound00, on 12/12/2007, -2/+4Woops, there were some mistakes in that post, lemme fix that and add to it (lost time on editing..)

            Hey man, i couldn't agree with you more. If there is anything that sums up religion, it is satanism. Contrary to popular belief, they don't actually worship Satan. Nope, they actually use Satan as a metaphor to represent them rebelling against Christianity, even having parodies of Catholic masses. Moreover, founder LaVey once said, "The only reason Christians go to Church is because of Satan." Meaning, they fear Satan so much, they go to church. Religion has turned from something that provides meaning and understanding...to a chore. Its really just a joke now.

            But really, how many people join religions based on the religions doctrines? Alot of people join religions because of wehre they were born. Think about it, if someone was raised in this Satanism family, would tehy become Christian? no! On the other hand, many people are Christian because they were born that way. They may not go to church that often or anything...but they are still christian and support christianity.
            But this new trend...well rather, continuous trend, leds to the new generations searching for alternate religions. And that results in the emergence of revival sects and innovative sects. Many different and radical ways to explain meaning
          • hansk, on 12/12/2007, -0/+4yes, when reading about satanism on wiki, it has alot of the same core messages as christianity: like no stealing, no killing, leave each other in peace, blablabla. GOOD THINGS. The main message of the older religions have been lost (mostly) in a sea of ritual, and splitting hairs concerning abstract messages in the bible (which may or may not be correct if they were translated properly).
            i disagree that satanism sums up religion, it is a organised anti-religion.
        • Dibou, on 12/12/2007, -16/+7I believe USSR and China amongst other atheist "religions" have killed just as many if not significantly more than any religion in their purges.
        • ICSU, on 12/12/2007, -2/+8Substitute religion with dogma and you have it correct. But of course religion is the main and most prevalent example of dogma.
        • AROZ, on 12/12/2007, -2/+5Religion is merely a unifier, it can manipulated into an "us versus them" ideology. If Nazi Germany could kill so many people, as well a the USSR, then its not God telling people to kill, but something inside the people. There would be just as much violence in the world if religion did not exist, because any cultural aspect/ideology can be manipulated to get the support of the masses for even a violent cause.
        • CthulhuDawn, on 12/12/2007, -3/+10Yeah, but some religions suck more than others. Islams take the ***** cake.

          You don't see Jains running around doing ***** like this.
      • huggablejunk, on 12/12/2007, -19/+16Right on Livermore, right on. Dirty ***** Muslims who don't know how to integrate into the modern world. This man should be killed on the spot, shot dead for strangering his daughter who was absolutely correct for not wanting to wear a headscarf. If they want Islam, they should stay the ***** in their sand holes.
        • blaaguuu, on 12/12/2007, -14/+5So this man kills his daughter because she refuses to adhere to his belief system... So because his beliefs are so different from yours, you advocate killing him?
          Sure, I agree that his is very much in the wrong here, but I hope you can see the flaw in your logic.
        • Vincent21212, on 12/12/2007, -3/+10To blaaguuu; Its not about beliefs. ***** beliefs, faith and delusions. Look at whats infront of you. I say killing the father is justifiable under the pretense that he killed another human being over some 'belief'. I don't buy into the fake *****. I look at whats physically there, such as humans and their rights. We need to start judging people on how logical they are. We need not tolerate every single BELIEF they choose to live by. THATS ***** CRAZY. Where do we draw the line?
        • whoathere, on 12/12/2007, -5/+0I don't really know where you think you get off calling *any* religion or people "dirty ***** -" when you consider all the terrible things that people around the world do to each other, back and forth, since the beginning of time. The man himself had something else way, seriously wrong with him that was probably aggravated by his radical interpretation of some components of Islam. He was absolutely wrong and should be punished for what he's done, but just because she didn't want to have to cover herself up doesn't mean that she didn't want to be a Muslim. She should have been able to choose between wearing it or not, but the main point is that she should have been able to choose how she practiced her religion. So don't say that wearing or not wearing something is the same as practicing or not practicing a religion, and calm down on the sweeping generalizations.
      • GuacamoleSan, on 12/12/2007, -19/+22I'm not pro-Terrorism, but i still can't believe "Islam Sucks" got +28 diggs
        • AnotherJewboy, on 12/12/2007, -15/+7Is the jews. Plenty of em and jump at any chance.
        • skyfire1, on 12/12/2007, -7/+5That wasn't funny, jewboy.
        • 1timeuser, on 12/12/2007, -10/+5I agree, a bunch of ***** rule digg. If you like intelligent conversation stick with slashdot. If you like to laugh at people... keep reading digg.
        • 1town, on 12/12/2007, -3/+9Well. Islam DOES suck. Case in point: This article.
      • mrfunktastic, on 12/12/2007, -3/+12Satan loves the Koran AND the Bible... they very successfully keep people divided and fighting amongst themselves.
      • darlyn, on 12/12/2007, -3/+3***** RELIGION * PERIOD
      • GliTCH82, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Xx-tAdPuk

        http://www.topix.com/forum/source/wltx/T2D4KR1I6G6 ...

        http://enduringchurch.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/ind ...

        Doesn't make it right obviously, but there's lunatics in every religion.
      • Amazetbm, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1Dogmatic belief systems suck. Every religion has it's radicals that will use God to justify harming their fellow man.
    • eclipse007, on 12/12/2007, -119/+321. Honor killings are a cultural thing, they were here before all religions and they will be here after them.
      2. There's a story on front page right now about raping children in Abu Ghraib. I took a look at your comments and apparently you are a Bush loving, Canada hating, Ron Paul hating, liberal hating prick. The tragedies in Iraq are doings of the same Christian president that you really seem to like to sleep with.
      • john2kx, on 12/12/2007, -20/+54Are you defending this guy's murder of his daughter?
        • treed, on 12/12/2007, -38/+20Go back to school. Seriously. Reading comprehension just passed right by you, didn't it?

          He wasn't defending the murder, he was defending Islam.
          • AnonymousCrowad, on 12/12/2007, -5/+14"Honor killings are a cultural thing, they were here before all religions and they will be here after them."
            Sounds to me like he was defending the murder of his daughter saying it is "cultural"
          • ViralMonkey, on 01/06/2008, -1/+2No he wasn't defending it. He was explaining it.
        • Preacherman, on 12/12/2007, -13/+41My reading comprehension is pretty good, and it looks to me like eclipse007 is defending this guy's murder of his daughter. He's doing this by suggesting that: 1/ the murderer is merely following a cultural tradition, and 2/ rape (and murder?) is accepted around the world.

          Pretty disgusting, really.
          • yournightmare, on 12/12/2007, -15/+11Are you and everybody digging you up retarded? He's responding to the first comment (which blames Islam for the murder and implies that Islam is nothing but violent and intolerant) by pointing out that other cultures/religions do the same thing, and that Islam doesn't have sole bragging rights to committing ***** up acts. So no, your reading comprehension isn't that good. Pretty crappy, really.
          • diaphoni, on 12/12/2007, -8/+1sadly, in american culture we have become so accustomed to violence against each other that yes, rape and murder are accepted, on television, in movies, on the news, in video games. We daily inoculate ourselves and our children with these things and then seem surprised when it hits next door.
          • eclipse007, on 12/12/2007, -6/+5I said it's a CULTURAL thing, and not RELIGIOUS.
            Do you say CULTURAL == CORRECT? Well, you are an idiot.
          • TheSwashbuckler, on 12/12/2007, -7/+4"My reading comprehension is pretty good"

            Obviously not.
        • senatorpjt, on 12/12/2007, -2/+4I'm not sure if he's defending the guy murdering his daughter, or saying that we are in a poor place to judge others to begin with.
        • Preacherman, on 12/12/2007, -2/+9Bah. Don't give me that cultural relativism crap. I'm in a perfectly good place to say that murdering your daughter is bad.

          I use my brain to make difficult judgments like this all the time.
      • Yage2006, on 12/12/2007, -11/+61. You base that assumption on what ?
        2. Your a frickin idiot
      • Darph.Bobo, on 12/12/2007, -3/+9"1.Honor killings are a cultural thing, they were here before all religions and they will be here after them."

        So eclipse007 what you're trying to say is bad behavior is a legitimate excuse for bad behavior.
      • Navigator7, on 12/12/2007, -4/+4I sense a change in the force.
        al qaida is among us.
      • Ivthypain, on 12/12/2007, -1/+5First degree murder eh? Too bad he is living in Canada where Shariah cant get its hands on him
        • thugok, on 12/12/2007, -0/+2Why? So they can have a parade in his honor?
    • AgentKPB, on 12/12/2007, -77/+13Dugg for putting women in their place
      • aaabatteries, on 12/12/2007, -3/+21what the hell dude, grow up.

        I recognize you're just trolling, but honestly that's not funny it's sick.
      • Trublmakr, on 12/12/2007, -0/+3DUde,... there's a humor line. You WAY crossed it into unfunnyland.
    • mowe, on 12/12/2007, -79/+147It's not the religion's fault.
      It's the fault of the maniac extremist dad who took things too seriously. People on digg obviously don't know much about Islam, considering the insightful comments made about this atricle.
      • highstriker, on 12/12/2007, -10/+65I'll accept that when I see others who believe in this religion begin speaking up. Perhaps that's just a bias of the media, but nevertheless- I haven't seen it. It's also hard for me to believe that religions that essentially teach oppression (and I don't think one can argue that women aren't oppressed by Islam) can care much about peace, love, or life.
        • wishninja, on 12/12/2007, -16/+4just how would others who believe in this religion get in touch with you if the biased media is not putting their story out. Just ask a few of those people if they had killed their daughters? Are you that dense to believe that this is what they are doing all over killing their daughters for forgetting their headscarf? you ***** idiot!
        • highstriker, on 12/12/2007, -2/+18@wihsninja: No- I don't believe that this particular case is happening all over. What I do believe is that there is a lot more violence than peace in this religion- whether or not the religion itself teaches it is irrelevant. I mean- look at the suicide bombers, or the girl who was beaten for getting into a car with males that weren't her relatives. And by bias in the media- I mean big news stations- such as FOX News or CNN. I'm sure there are plenty of other sources that would be willing to cover members of this religion standing up against this. What about Reuters? BBC News? I haven't seen this on any News Network, or website- *nowhere*. If there are truly Muslims speaking out against this violence then there should be *some* evidence of that.
          • thotpoizn, on 12/12/2007, -1/+6@LivingHealthy: Well, there goes that whole "moderate majority" theory then, eh???
          • ozziegt, on 12/12/2007, -1/+6There are over 1 billion Muslims all over the world. One fifth of the world's population. If there was more violence than peace you would know it. You will never SEE peace because when there is peace there is nothing to see. Do you think "thousands of muslims living peacefully in small town" is something that is going to make headlines?

            CAIR and other Muslim organizations release condemnations of this kind of stuff all the time. It never makes headlines.
        • mowe, on 12/12/2007, -15/+11You're right in saying that others who believe in Islam haven't spoken up, they're just contributing to the bad (aka horrible) image of the religion. However, you're totally wrong on the oppression against women part.
          The Qur'an, the holy book of Islam, clearly promotes religious and moral equality for women. The previously mentioned maniac extremist husbands are to be blamed for any violence etc. towards their wives, they are one of the severest sinners.
          I lived in a Middle-Eastern country and now I live in Canada (the same city which the article is about in fact) so I think I have a pretty good understanding of both sides of this "Islam Sucks" debate. I want to say, for the record, that after God (Allah), and Prophet Mohammed, one's mother is the person a Muslim should hold in highest esteem and pray for the most. Husbands are supposed to fulfill the needs of their wives as much as they can and even avoid borrowing money from them and stuff.
          The women are supposed to cover up so they protect THEIR privacy and so they don't have men staring at them etc. Women obviously do not have to wear a hijab and such in presence of other women.
          Sorry I went on this long rant thing here but I'm just really pissed at the ignorance that is being showed towards my religion many users commenting on this article. Also something most people don't apparently know, Muslims believe in Jesus and Moses too, just to throw that out there.
          • Chakat, on 12/12/2007, -2/+27So in other words, Islam's interpretation is that it's the woman's fault that men are such assholes around women, and that women need to hide themselves away so that men can continue thinking clearly. Got it. How about teaching men that women are more than a piece of meat instead?
          • bludragn0, on 12/12/2007, -0/+6"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others"
            That's the only one I could uncover so quickly, but I've also come across instances in which the prophet insinuates that women are inferior to men because men have more strength (because women would stay home while men went out). This might sound justified to you, but to me it's highly misogynistic. It comes right down to the point of view.
            Also, I've frequently defended Islam against ignorance. I know that Islam acknowledges Moses and Jesus as prophets. But that's irrelevant.
            From what I've read and understand, the origins of the Hijab lie in Muhammad's desire to veil his own wife from the gaze of other men. Even at this point, it was only supposed to cover the bosom.
            In all fairness, women were to be veiled in middle eastern tribes far before Islam.
          • CthulhuDawn, on 12/12/2007, -2/+5Obviously you don't know much about Islam. Go read Ayan Hirsi Ali and get educated.
          • ozziegt, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2Ayaan is a girl who was traumatized by an abusive father and has created this crusade with an agenda against Islam. If you think it's an unbiased or even valid way to look at the religion, you need to think again. It does take a look at the darkest parts of human society in the Muslim world, but it looks at the most extreme end of the spectrum, and in no way represents the actual religion.

            The Quran acknowledges that men are better than women at some things and women are better than men at some things. It is a biological and physiological fact. However, they can still be equals.
          • tomasII, on 12/12/2007, -1/+7Then explan to us how your religion which values women so much can stand silent when a woman is accused of naming a teddy bear muhammad, and how you are silent when a young woman is gang raped by thugs and receives 40 lashes for just being in the care with a man....oh and in Iran....oh yeah and especially in Saudi Arabia...the list goes on and on. Your protestations, your words are not supported by the facts. Islam and muslims opress and murder women because they see them as less important as men. Honor killings, come on what are you doing to stop these insane things from happenining in the name of your religion? Nothin I suspect. Isn't it proper for muslims to lie to the infidels? How can we believe anything you say?
          • ffttoteof, on 12/12/2007, -0/+3"...clearly promotes religious and moral equality for women."

            "The women are supposed to cover up..."

            This is the thing, mowe: If women were equals, they would not have to cover up, just like men don't have to cover up. They would have freedom of choice.
        • yournightmare, on 12/12/2007, -13/+6Well, Christianity doesn't care much about peace, love, or life either, if that's your stance. For example, in 1998 the Southern Baptist Convention amended their constitution to say that wives MUST submit to the "servant leadership" of their husbands. Mike Huckabee was one of the signatories to that amendment. This belief is backed by numerous passages in the Bible, and this is just ONE example of Christianity teaching and openly encouraging the oppression of women.
          • Neil990, on 12/12/2007, -1/+6you have a point, but i don't remember hearing anything about "submitting to the servant leadership" mentioning KILLING their daughters because they wouldn't conform to their beliefs ( as well as stoning them for being in a car with non-relative males, and stoning them to death if they get raped, etc). it's one thing for a religious fundamentalist to think that women should effectively be the man's "property", but please explain how this is on the same scale as KILLING THEM "yournightmare"? .please, not that i condone the Baptists behavior, but i would love to hear you try to rationalize it, really.



          • KBWUSA, on 12/12/2007, -0/+8I am a Baptist and live in the South. I have never heard anyone teach and openly encourage the oppression of women -ever. When it comes to family matters, my wife and I make decisions together and work as a team. Other than that; she votes and I vote, she has her checking account and I have mine, she does her thing and I do mine, etc...

            No preacher or mass of ***** at a convention control our lives –we do. We believe in and try to follow the New Testament of the King James Version Bible –to the best of our ability. It’s not complicated or sinister in nature.

            In order to not make yourself look like a fool, do yourself a favor and talk about something you know.
        • diaphoni, on 12/12/2007, -12/+5fine. I'll speak up. I'm a Muslimah and I do not wear hijab, as I do not personally feel ready for that step in my life, one day I may chose to wear one, but I feel no pressure from my fellow Muslims, male or female to cover up. Only to show respect for each other. I think most Muslims do not speak up on this matter because we honestly believe that those who do wrong in this world will be punished in the next and we need not bray and yell to defend ourselves when we know that Allah (God) knows the truth. Even when you do not.
          • ozziegt, on 12/12/2007, -4/+2"feminine men, woman beating fathers, and murderers."

            You think this really applies only to Islam? There are plenty of all of these things in the USA regardless of religion.
          • tomasII, on 12/12/2007, -2/+5If that is true, why do muslims kill others who insult the religion. Why not just let god take care of those offenders? I'll tell you the answer because your comments do not reflect the Islam of the middle east, and probably the Islam of the west
          • johnnick, on 12/12/2007, -0/+4If it were truly the case that Muslims believe that Allah will punish in the next world those who sin against him in this one, there would be no crime of "insulting Islam" or punishment for apostasy. Christian religions do not preach death for those who decide not to believe. Extreme Christian believers may claim that a non-believer or a former believer is going to Hell, and that their God's punishment for that lack of belief will take place in the afterlife, but they don't try to kill those people to hasten the implementation of the punishment.
        • aaabatteries, on 12/12/2007, -4/+9@yournightmare

          Howabout not switching the focus over to Christianity any time another religion is mentioned? Oh, and not putting all Christians into one category, because I for one am a Christian, but strongly disagree with most Southern Baptist teachings. Many other people who I know will back me on this, Southern Baptists, believe it or not, are a minority and are not the spokesmen for ALL Christians.
        • highstriker, on 12/12/2007, -4/+3@mowe: I actually did know that Muslims believe in Jesus and Moses. But then again- what the Qur'an teaches, isn't important- it's what the people of the religion are doing. The same problem exists with the Bible. Plenty of Christians completely ignore parts such as 'Though shalt not judge'- more often than not- people pick and choose what they want to believe. Therefore- it's not really accurate to judge something solely by a book they don't completely follow. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that most countries within the Middle East are oppressive towards women, and while that may make them bad Muslims- they're still Muslims.
          @yournightmare: I don't believe most Christians truly preach peace love or life. Many said Christians have shown extreme hatred towards others, such as homosexuals, and women as well. I wouldn't waste much breath trying to defend any religion at least- I tend to feel that people should think for themselves, and not blindly follow any set of beliefs, which is something many do (meaning- many Christians understand everything in the bible, let alone know what the Bible itself teaches, just like I imagine many Muslims don't truly know what the Qur'an teaches.
      • alex4u2nv, on 12/12/2007, -21/+9I guess its difficult to enlighten the already brainwashed masses who believe this sort of behavior is limited to Islam. This has not been the first death attributed to a blasphemous conflict of faith, nor will it be the last. Nor is this behavior limited to religious extremists either.

        An interesting thought for the diggers to ponder, before they're soo quick to mod people down, would be to:
        Compare and Contrast this incident, to one in which a Westernized man killing his cheating wife, and innocent family after losing his job.
        • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -2/+14When a christian kills his kid in the name of the religion I'll call them on it too. The problem is not isolated to islam but it does cause many many many more people to be treated poorly or killed. I do not recall the last time I heard of a Budhist killing a child in the name of their religion.
        • wishninja, on 12/12/2007, -7/+2guess its difficult to enlighten the already brainwashed masses who believe this sort of behavior is limited to Islam or is indicative of any religion for that matter. Geesh! get a grip
        • agimat, on 12/12/2007, -1/+1[ I guess its difficult to enlighten the already brainwashed masses who believe this sort of behavior is limited to Islam. This has not been the first death attributed to a blasphemous conflict of faith, nor will it be the last. Nor is this behavior limited to religious extremists either.]

          I feel bad now.

          /not really
        • diaphoni, on 12/12/2007, -5/+5In Jonestown, Guyana, in 1978, followers of the Rev. Jim Jones killed a visiting congressman and three newsmen, then administered cyanide to themselves and their children in a 900-person suicide that shocked the world.
          Andrea Yates said Satan told her to drown her five children.

          Deanna Laney said the Lord sent her signs to beat her three sons with stones.

          Dena Schlosser became the latest Texas mother to take her child's life, she told her husband she wanted to give her children to God. The suburban Dallas mother was charged with capital murder for severing her 10-month-old baby's arms.

      • sanman, on 12/12/2007, -4/+46This isn't the first time that something like this has happened. The fact is that practices like these are tolerated all across the Islamic world. What about that woman who received the 200 lashes sentence in Saudi after she was raped? Just another aberration? Sorry, but criticism of crap like this is constructive criticism, and your resistance to it is unconstructive - pretty barbaric, actually.
        • mapkinase, on 12/12/2007, -11/+2"What about that woman who received the 200 lashes sentence in Saudi after she was raped? "

          You are misinforming people. The punishment was for adultery, not for being a victim of a subsequent rape. Adultery was with a man unrelated to victims. If there are honest men and women on digg, please bury the parent down and digg me up.
          • rossinio, on 12/12/2007, -0/+7Oh in that case then its alright, phew!
            (do i really need /sar tags??)
          • gummih, on 12/12/2007, -0/+3So, if I would take you and throw you through the window of my house, could I then charge you with burglary?
      • Yage2006, on 12/12/2007, -13/+7Yes it is the religion's fault. there would be nothing to be extremist about if the religion did not exist.

        Read the ***** karan its quite clear about such matter . Read the bible too .
        They state in hundreds of places to kill .
        • MephistoX, on 12/12/2007, -5/+3So I guess I could disprove your point if I found an instance where an atheist killed another person?
          Or if showed you a "good" Catholic/Jew/Muslim?

          The point is... Religion doesn't cause people to kill people, rather, Humanity's perversion of said religions causes people to kill other people.
          It is in human nature to be brutal and inhumane (which is kind of ironic considering that humane is similar to human, eh?). Not the religious texts.
        • JonnyTrombone, on 12/12/2007, -3/+2The Qu'ran says pretty clearly time and again that violence is wrong- there are certain areas where this prohibition is less strict, to be sure, but offensive violence against "People of the Book" (Christians, Jews, Samaritans, etc) is always wrong in Islam, as is violence against women and children. As for the Bible- the New Testament, although far more conservative than the Jewish scholars of the time, still inspired Christians to be totally pacifist until the Romans instituted Christianity as a state religion and changed the rules for their own needs.
          • TsuruchiBrian, on 12/12/2007, -1/+3The Old Testament< new Testament, and Qu'ran are all inconsistent and contradictory. People can quote from verses that advocate violence and non-violence.
        • mowe, on 12/12/2007, -6/+3It's "Qu'ran" and it seems quite clear that YOU haven't read it.
          Find me one place that it tells you to 'kill', all I'm saying is don't believe everything you see on TV/ read on the internet.
        • shinyhappydan, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2If religion did not exist then they'd probably be extremist about pokémon or something. It's not religion that's the problem, it's nutters.
      • senatorpjt, on 12/12/2007, -10/+11It is the religions fault. Just like all the ***** things that Christians have done over the millenia. The only difference between the dangerous sort of Islam and mainstream Christianity is how literally they follow their religion. Fundamentalist christians are no better than fundamentalist muslims. The only benefit of the fundamentalist Christians is that they're more marginalized in the US than in some mideast countries, so they don't have the power to enact the sort of sharia law they have over there. Don't think that for a second that they wouldn't, given the chance.

        I'm a lot more afraid of a Christian government taking over the US than an Islamic government who usually seems to just want to be left alone.
        • Dibou, on 12/12/2007, -5/+4Are you kidding? How many Christian-based nations are out there now oppressing women in the name of Christianity? Look at EVERY single Islamic nation. Every one oppresses women in some degree or other. They are each barbaric in their own way. None of them have any basic freedoms. You are delusional.
      • UberNick, on 12/12/2007, -2/+17I can't stand it when people apologize for religion because only the "extreme" follows do horrible things. I'd argue that most of the population pays lip service and chooses to ignore many official doctrines of their religion. When someone takes it seriously, or chooses to follow the letter of its law, they're consider an extremist. I'd call this person a true believer.

        The religion is directly responsible for this kind of cruelty. The mainstream acceptance of the moral goodness and necessity of "faith" in religion only fuels the true believers. Most people openly wish they could follow their religion to the letter, but rationality, survival instincts, and social progress inhibits actually believing in the ***** they're fed.
        • ozziegt, on 12/12/2007, -0/+4Nowhere in the Quran (or even the traditions of Muhammad) does it say, or even IMPLY someone should be killed for not wearing a headscarf. If you really think that you are deluded. This was a dad with a really bad temper who got really upset when he found out his daughter was wearing suggestive clothing behind her mom and dad's back. It's just another case of domestic / child abuse that is a problem in the USA regardless of religion or culture.
      • TsuruchiBrian, on 12/12/2007, -7/+14NOTHING IS ANY RELIGION'S FAULT!
        Everything a person does is his own responsibility. People who do this do not deserve the ability to blame their actions on a religion. That said, Islam totally sucks because it does not condemn ***** like this. Even if you find me a passage in the Koran where it says to not kill people, I can find you 10 more that instruct people to commit violence.

        The only reason I don't have as big a problem with Christianity and Judaism is that unlike Islam, we don't have Christian and Jewish parents killing children that dishonored them because it said so in the Bible (and it does say that in the Bible). Luckily for us, most Christians and Jews mostly only follow the parts of their Holy book that aren't horrific.
        • aeoo, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1Don't get confused here. Religion is a group identity. So while it is your personal responsibility to accept or reject that group identity, what religion advocates has its own identity. You can be more or less serious about following it, more or less literal, but you cannot deny the fact that religions have their own identity and are based on well established and well known documents and so on. These documents speak for themselves! Most of them are heinous, brutal and out of sync with the times. There are some exceptions, but they wouldn't be Bible or Koran.
          • TsuruchiBrian, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1I didn't say religions aren't violent. I just said that when someone commits a violent act, it is not the responsibility of the religion, it is the responsibility of the individual.

            For example: A gun is a violent tool, but when someone uses a gun to kill a person, it is the person who chose to use the gun who is responsible (not the gun's fault for being a implement of violence). We can try to get rid of all the guns with the argument that guns are almost always used for bad things, but that does not shift the responsibility from the individual.

            It's not the greatest example because I think guns are used for good things far more frequently than religions are.
      • tomasII, on 12/12/2007, -5/+2Satan believes in Jesus and the prophets as well. So that statement proves nothing.
    • mal1964, on 12/12/2007, -19/+3How do her friends know why he killed her? The act is horrible anyway you look at it. But her friends who weren't there aren't facts
      • sanman, on 12/12/2007, -3/+15WTF? She had moved out of the house the previous week, and had returned home that night just to pick up some clothes. WTF are you not recognizing, here? I think Islam leads to mental impairment of the brain. Better stop, or you'll go blind. On second thought, you already are.
        • mal1964, on 12/12/2007, -5/+2You are reading it and assuming because it adds up in the way the story is told, now how would you like to be in front of a judge and jury that did the same thing and assumed
          • thugok, on 12/12/2007, -0/+2Fact: The father killed his daughter.
            Unless it was some kind of self defense the reason why he did doesn't matter.
          • mal1964, on 12/12/2007, -2/+1There are over a thousand comments that disagree with you. And the headline and the content of the story is what is the argument is about. If it didn't matter then that's your argument, fair enough.
          • mal1964, on 12/12/2007, -2/+1"Fact: The father killed his daughter."
            Sorry to say but not a fact yet. Investigation first to rule out the older brother.
      • TheAtomicMoose, on 12/12/2007, -0/+13dude... did you even read the article?
        • phlebitis, on 12/12/2007, -2/+1dude... That article is sensationalist nonsense. It's mashed together from other sensationalist articles like it. None of us know what the facts were.
      • mal1964, on 12/12/2007, -5/+1Has he confess to it have the police said that was the reason? I'm not saying that was not why but I really don't know just reading the story.
      • KayinAngel, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2Does it matter what the reason is ? Doesn't justify the irrationality of killing your own daughter.
        • mal1964, on 12/12/2007, -1/+3"The act is horrible anyway you look at it"., sometimes i have to say it twice
    • Blueee, on 12/12/2007, -21/+39Don't ya just love the peaceful tolerant religion of *Fundamentalist* Islam.

      You forgot a pivotal word...
      • itneedstobesaid, on 12/12/2007, -12/+4I think you mean *radical*, and i've never heard one of them attest to being peaceful or tolerant. They usually want to destroy stuff. So basically, you're not clever. 'A' effort though!
        • tehstyles, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1You need to get your hearing checked
        • 1timeuser, on 12/12/2007, -1/+1you get an A for effort, but an F in life none the less.
        • Blueee, on 12/13/2007, -0/+0I think I meant fundamentalist.
          Try reading a dictionary..
          or breaking down the word.
          Fundamentalist=fundamentals.
          fundamentals=pillars and direct interpretations of the Quran.
          Like Jihad...
      • 1town, on 12/12/2007, -6/+6Ehh.. As opposed to what? "moderate" islam? (There's no such thing, by our moral standards)
    • sapo916, on 12/12/2007, -13/+54Because the actions of few represent everyone. I am Muslim, my Sister goes to the Mosque, doesn't wear a hijab at home and so far no one has strangled her, nor the countless of other Muslim girls that regular Americans hit on regularly with no Hijab. But no one cares about that since all people love is violence and ignore the majority because they are normal and blend into society.

      Btw, I am white and I do not wear a Turban.
      • sanman, on 12/12/2007, -13/+6But you're more concerned about your own image, than about the fact that an innocent girl has been brutally strangled, when a little more cultural self-criticism and openness could have prevented this. Hope other Muslims aren't like you.
      • Preacherman, on 12/12/2007, -11/+2>> Btw, I am white and I do not wear a Turban.

        But, you drive a camel to work, right?
        ; )
        • whoathere, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1Just fyi, not all Muslims live in the Middle East or Africa, if that's what you were inferring. Aside from the immigrant populations in the US, UK, Canada, and other places, there is a large native Muslim population in Bosnia, for example, as well as in Malaysia. And I have yet to see any camels in Bosnia.
      • PixelEater, on 12/12/2007, -6/+4A lot of diggers are making broad assertions about religion and people here. I wish they could understand the kind of problem they create.
        • Navigator7, on 12/12/2007, -4/+3We are hearing a bunch of Islamic talk but becoming immune to the endless killings of islam on islam and islam on the innocent killings.

          Any chance Islam can stop killing people for a year or two? Or does Mohammed have other plans?
      • whoathere, on 12/12/2007, -8/+1Ja te mogu razumijet. Vi ste bosanski, jel' da? Vidjela sam zastavu. Puno ljudi ovdje u Americi i mozda i u Kanadi skoro nista ne razumiju o Islamu. Jedna moja prijateljica je konvertirala na Islam od katolicizma prije pet godina a ona je plavusa s plavim ocima. Kad ide u grad s hijabom, svi ljudi ju gledaju kao da je neprijatelj, al i ona je iz Amerike, samo da oni to ne razumija. Jako je steta...
      • Webrunner53, on 12/12/2007, -2/+4To sapo916's:
        What planet do you live on???????
        If you are indeed muslim then you are brainwashed. Islam is an oppresive religion that does not accept any other faiths. PERIOD! I am sure that there are plenty of peaceful muslims worldwide but I do not see the news media reporting the beheading and slaughter of innocent lives by the millions (read Darfur) by any other religion other than Islam!
      • aeoo, on 12/12/2007, -2/+4You represent a minority of Muslims of the world. The reason you are getting away with your behavior is because your religion is not well established in USA. Try that in a country where Islam dominates. You assimilated into the USA culture, which is a non-Islamic, and in general a largely secular culture.
      • MariusC, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1What do you think about women that don't wear hajib outside? Do you respect them as much as those who wear it?
      • sk11, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2Apologists talk nonsense when they say it's not religions fault, that it's the people. Was WWII the fault of Germans or nazi ideology? Was the brutality of post war Russia due to communism or was there something wrong with Russians? Ideology (religion in this case) is at the heart of the problem, especially when people strongly believe that they have the one true ideology/religion!
    • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -18/+41"some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.”
      By Gunnar Heinsohn and Daniel Pipes, FrontPageMagazine, October 8, 2007

      Islam is a very calm and tolerant religion. They never stone teenage rape victims.... That would be wrong. NOT
      • alexforcefive, on 12/12/2007, -8/+9You're mixing Islam and Islamist extremism. That's like basing your views of Christianity on Mike Huckabee. And also as Baroness Warsi said recently, those who practise sharia law aren't necessarily following the teachings of islam
        • Neil990, on 12/12/2007, -3/+10the problem with your analogy alexforcefive is that Huckabee's followers aren't killing their wives and daughter's in the name of their religion like the muslims "extremists" are.
          we actually have reason to think Islam is a mental illness. as far as i am concerned, the Southern Baptists can believe whatever the ***** they want as long as they aren't KILLING their loved ones in the name of it... big difference.
        • skyfire1, on 12/12/2007, -0/+5No he isn't
        • Myonosken, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2@Neil: You don't have to go very far back to find that kind of stuff. I would have thought the religious lynchings of early 1900s America would have been remembered for longer.
      • DeadRepubs, on 12/12/2007, -5/+0***** off back to religionofpeace.com with the rest of your retarded christ fundys.
    • YogiWanKenobi, on 12/12/2007, -14/+7I'd like to see a comparison between the number of so-called honor killings and the number of Christians killed by their families. Parity in reporting would be welcome too: if some wacky Christian guy kills his daughter because he thinks she's too promiscuous, why doesn't the media flip out and run the story on the front page as an honor killing? There's no fairness in reporting. As in the past, the zionist media is using an isolated incident to condition us to hate Muslims.
      • phlebitis, on 12/12/2007, -5/+0It is good to read Yogi's comment. Nobody knows that she was killed because she wouldn't wear the hijab. The girl's school friends, after she had died, indicated that there had been tension over the fact that she did not want to dress as her father told her to.
        Nobody here knows that this had anything to do with Islam. There was an argument that got out of hand. A father killing his daughter is disgusting, no doubt, but the fact that they were Muslim is irrelevant until the father himself says otherwise. He was presumably the only one there when it happened. The headline is pure sensationalism. It plays right into America's fears.
      • tomasII, on 12/12/2007, -1/+3I only wish this were an isolated incident.
    • phre3k187, on 12/12/2007, -19/+25Islam isLAME
      • Raiku, on 12/12/2007, -1/+7I lol that one
      • DeadRepubs, on 12/12/2007, -5/+0Xenophobes need to be murdered.
        • tieInterceptor, on 12/13/2007, -2/+3Islam is a religion not a race, stick your accusations of racism up your ass, you dimmhi volunteer.

          grow some balls.
    • chijim70, on 12/12/2007, -15/+12Religion is a mental illness. If people believe they hear voices, are commanded by a voice in their head, believe harming themselves or others in the name of a hooba jooba in the sky we call them schizophrenic. Belief in anything not verifiable is insane... period. Stop being chimps and ***** evolve already.
    • grantmoore3d, on 12/12/2007, -6/+17I wish people would stop defending Islam, the original post is exactly right. I don't care if "extremists" take it too far... let's face it, it's in the religion to commit acts like these. Done and done.
      • larissa75, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1if I said ***** about your religion, im sure youll defend yourself.
    • themastersb, on 12/12/2007, -1/+14At first I thought this probably happened in the middle east, but Toronto? What the hell!?
    • Klepto21, on 12/12/2007, -5/+16Religion of Peace™
    • gummih, on 12/12/2007, -11/+6In other news a christian american woman killed her daughter in a drunken rage after an argument that started because she refused to wear less revealing clothes
    • shinyhappydan, on 12/12/2007, -3/+7Isn't this statement the equivalent of saying "don't you just love those just-for-fun violent video games" after some dude killed his friend after playing manhunt for a weekend?
      • bunit03057, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4No it is not at all the equivalent, We are talking about a religion that has a large effect on many peoples lives and you are talking about a video game that has little effect on few peoples live.
        • shinyhappydan, on 12/13/2007, -1/+2What has how many people it affects have to do with anything? It's still the same thing, ie blaming something which is not the real cause of the problem
    • DrGonzoRSA, on 12/12/2007, -10/+1You goddamn hypocrite, you preach tolerance, but you have none for Islam.
    • unfilterthought, on 12/12/2007, -3/+4Except wearing headscarves and veils is more closely tied to culture than the relegion of Islam itself.

      Some Islamic cultures do not use headscarves at all.

      Putting on a headscarf doesn't make you modest. You have to be modest before you put it on.
    • LeeSoong, on 12/12/2007, -8/+3Well, one thing is for sure:

      She's certainly not going to send Daddy any Christmas card this year!
    • theuber1337, on 12/12/2007, -7/+2Under Islam, before the Spanish inquisition, Spain was the most peaceful, open, and tolerant nation in the world. Catholics, Jews, and Muslims all lived in peace. They worked toward a better, more civilized world, and some of the most brilliant minds of the era lived there as Muslims. Then the Catholic's sent a bunch of big strong stupid soldiers to slaughter the Muslims in Spain.

      I don't blame them for being a bit pissy.
      • Webrunner53, on 12/12/2007, -0/+6Your logic is convoluted and baseless.
        • DeadRepubs, on 12/12/2007, -6/+1***** off back to your propoganda site.
          • theuber1337, on 12/12/2007, -1/+1I may have exaggerated a bit... but my propaganda sites are called history books. Do remember, the Muslims are responsible for most modern mathematics, they were the great thinkers of the dark ages. That is before we destroyed their society. You also have to realize that history is greatly revered in their culture; what seems like long done with centuries past battles, can still feel like the other day to them. Not to mention all the ***** the United States pulled in the middle east in the 1950's... but I digress.
            My point was, you're a racist. Think about it.
        • diaphoni, on 12/13/2007, -3/+0I have a masters in history. It backs up his statement. turn off the computer and read a book.
      • tieInterceptor, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3if you call peaceful 700 years of invasion ,then yes it was peaceful,

        and the ones that did science where already there, and forcebly converted to Islam. If anything you can thank the muslims for translating manuscripts from the Greeks, thats about it.

        as an example : In a parallel universe, Nazi Germany had invaded the east coast of the USA, and after 700 years of hard work California manages to push them back out of the continent, ... then some ***** like you would come along and say that the Germans did lots of science in new york with the occupied scientist they got their hands on.
    • muzy, on 12/12/2007, -4/+7I am A Muslim, and nothing in my religion would allow such a thing to happen, Her father is a crazy person.
      • johnnick, on 12/12/2007, -1/+6In your religion, what is the penalty for apostasy? Naturally, of course, you're free to chose not to believe, right? After all, shouldn't a religion be sufficiently confident in itself that it can allow people to choose to believe of their own free will? And, if there is a penalty for choosing not to believe, should that be enforced by those on Earth or by the deity? Just wondering. How do you feel about those "insult to Islam" laws, and the crowds of Muslims who gathered in Sudan chanting for the death of a woman who had the temerity to allow a group of children to name a teddy bear after the Prophet? See, for example, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new ...
        • diaphoni, on 12/13/2007, -2/+0There was political motivation there more than religious. The history of British oppression in the Sudan is long and dark.
        • johnnick, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4The incident in Sudan is just a recent example. Consider, instead, the fatwahs issued against those writers like Salman Rusdie.
    • Verz, on 12/12/2007, -1/+3Doesn't anyone else feel that they're a bit misunderstood?
      Wouldn't anyone else strangle their daughter to death for refusing to wear a bra?
    • Muslim4Life, on 12/13/2007, -1/+1
      http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID= ...
    • NonServium, on 12/13/2007, -5/+2Psst... the news likes to make stories like this up. Why the F*ck does nobody ever ask if something they read in the paper is true anymore?? THEY LIE PEOPLE! ALL THE F'IN TIME. THIS IS VERY LIKELY A MADE UP STORY TO JUSTIFY THEIR AGENDA!
  • Sandy1000, on 12/12/2007, -92/+361This is where some kool-aid drinking Muslim apologetic walks onto stage to remind us once again about how... "Islam is a religion of peace" right?
    • Shawn4168, on 12/12/2007, -37/+121Not until somebody first announces that Christians are just as bad, offering "ZOMG CRUSADES!!!!" as their only evidence, and receives at least 50 diggs.
      • zelig, on 12/12/2007, -14/+34Multiply that number by 100.
        • EditorResponse, on 12/12/2007, -27/+51Yea, the crusades were LONG ago and the Muslims are RIGHT NOW. We can sort of forgive for what happened before people knew the Earth was round but today? What are the Muslims thinking? The Muslim religion sucks.
        • geezor, on 12/28/2007, -1/+1Yeah, because South African Apartheid was _so_ long ago (early 1990s you idiot).
      • popothebright, on 12/12/2007, -17/+65Oh *****. Islam is a monolithic cult with NO reform movement. Where are the cries from reformist imams? Where are the street protests of moderate muslims demanding an end to this?

        Christianity and every other modern religion has tempered itself with the times. Islamic people who are moderate are scared ***** of saying anything because they'll end up dead like this chick.
        • smacksaw, on 12/12/2007, -11/+7Or perhaps they are just paying lip service to appease the Westerners. They can't all look radical. I mean, we tell Iraq we care about them, but we just want their oil. We can't say that.

          Remember that episode of South Park where Cartman travels back in time during the signing of the Declaration of Independence? The 100th episode? Everyone is a hypocrite like that. I don't believe that ANY religion's moderates are truly that moderate because every time they get into power they swing right. Look at what the Christians are doing to the Republican party.
        • jackkerouac, on 12/12/2007, -8/+2Yeah, that's just as bad. You're an idiot.
        • thatcrazycommie, on 12/12/2007, -8/+4Oh my god, of all the staggeringly ignorant things to say... you think that the fact that you aren't aware of the liberal Islam movement means there isn't one? I'm not going to do your research for you, but, as a start, I'd suggest reading a graphic novel called Persepolis, a memoir written by a woman whose parents were some of thousands of liberal Muslims who protested against the fascist policies of the Iranian Revolution. Seriously, saying that all Muslims are complicit in things like this is like saying that all Christians are as reactionary as the Pope.
          • sanman, on 12/12/2007, -4/+2For a guy who calls himself a commie, you don't seem to be aware of socialist concerns about ongoing religious corruption. As the Communist Pope says, the belief isn't like a grocery list where you can pick and choose what you'd like.
          • thatcrazycommie, on 12/12/2007, -3/+3sanman: Well, my username is basically a joke (I guess you could call me a socialist), but, actually, I think religion is generally a crock of *****. I just get mad when people say completely insane and rabidly misinformed things about other religions, while pretending that they understand the historical and sociological contexts when they clearly don't (for example, stating that there is no reform movement within Islam).
        • Tarl, on 12/12/2007, -3/+3"Tempered themselves with the times?"

          /me fondly recalls a deacon that never allowed his children to watch TV (refused to allow one in his house), go to the movies, socialize after school hours with fellow classmates, etc, etc in 1990.

          Well I guess 16 or so years may have been for the better.
          • ungamedplayer, on 12/19/2007, -0/+2No, but i doubt he'd kill his kid for watching it.
        • senatorpjt, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2The fact that they are "moderate" pretty much rules out street protests.
        • chijim70, on 12/12/2007, -2/+4I stand by my statement that all religion is a mental illness but I will say you are not looking if you think moderate Islam has said nothing. I recall digging an article a few months ago from an Imam in Texas or some southern state that decried all violence and did say we are Americans to so come kill us too. You won't see stuff like this in mainstream media because it doesn't feed the beast of war mongering that must be maintained in order to continue the war.
          Again... ALL religion is a mental disease. As is racism, nationalism, etc. Governments love this ***** as a form of social control. Keep the masses focused on petty discrimination's and they will follow like sheep.
      • EntropyFan, on 12/12/2007, -14/+11We could go with the Crusades, but the Spanish Inquisition, the Middle ages in Europe, and how the Christian Church helped the Nazi should do.
        Learn some history. "Good" Christians blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors because they 'value' life. They offer food in Africa, or let you starve if you don't 'embrace' their God.
        Nuts is nuts, and it crosses most lines. Gender, Religious, Ethnic, and country.
        • Blueee, on 12/12/2007, -4/+3I prefer the Christian intolerance to homosexuals...
          • EntropyFan, on 12/12/2007, -3/+2well, they don't often directly kill homosexuals.
            I dislike the discrimination of gays, but you can't really put it up with this.
            Now protesting at US soldiers funerals saying that God killed them because gays are tolerated in this country? Now we have a competitor...
            Gotta love those 'wholesome' Christian values
        • Shawn4168, on 12/12/2007, -1/+3""Good" Christians blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors because they 'value' life. They offer food in Africa, or let you starve if you don't 'embrace' their God."

          Those people are not good Christians. Nowhere in the New Testament does it tell people to do anything like that. However, the Quran is full of verses encouraging the followers of Islam to kill its opponents.
      • AnarchoGoth, on 12/12/2007, -1/+6 "I was sitting in a temple. I was minding my own business.
        I was listening to a lovely Hebrew mass.
        Then these Papus persons plungered and they throw me in a dungeon and they shove a red hot poker up my ass.
        Is that considerate? Is that polite?
        And not a tube of Preperation H in sight!"

        "I'm sittin' flickin' chickens and I'm lookin' throught the pickins' and suddenly thes goyim pull down valls.
        I didn't even know them and they grabbed my by the stoghum and started playing ping pong with my balls!
        Ooh, the agony! Ooh, the shame!
        To make my privates public for a game?"

        http://otherside.junik.lv/pages/inquisition.html

        Seriously though, 1492 was a very bad year for my ancestors.

        Religious fanatics are a bad thing regardless of if they call themselves Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist or Jedi.
      • lordsandwich, on 12/12/2007, -6/+13One million Iraqis are dead now as a result of the actions of a Christian president who thinks Jehovah speaks directly to him.

        ZOMG CRUSADES!!!!
      • theclashrocker, on 12/12/2007, -2/+2Kosovo, oklahoma city bombing, molesting boys... Why does religion always have to be confrontational with another religion? Where is the religion of peace? I think Buddhism and Taoism are the only ones. The names sound Arabic, and the United States supports the Saudis/Sunnis in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Seriously, we support Saudi Arabia, and they have the worst humanitarian violations against women in the world.
      • Navicerts, on 12/12/2007, -0/+3There is plenty of sex scandal to go around for more modern days. The problem lies in the beliefs. From this guys point of view, he did everything he could to try to save his daughter from eternity in hell. If you are talking about an infinite amount of time to suffer it really changes whats acceptable. Yes; they are crazy.
    • dvsbastard, on 12/12/2007, -27/+70Nope, this is where the educated, tolerant and civilised member of society points out that judging a whole group based on the actions of one (which is not approved by many) makes you just as bad as what you seem to preach against... Sure you may not resort to murder, but being a little more modern and civilised in your naive stupidity isn't something to be proud of...
      • mem2, on 12/12/2007, -7/+17agreed, I pray every day other races and population groups dont lump us with the white trash idiots.
      • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -3/+19I DO NOT judge the muslim people. However I reserve the right to call into question their religion. Women and girls (yes children) are killed, stoned, etc all the time in the NAME of islam. That doesn't make all muslims bad but I think it does call into question the religion which so many 'misinterpret' to mean kill your children.

        I would have the same reaction to Budhism if every day you could find a report of a woman or girl being stoned to death because she was raped.
        • geezor, on 12/28/2007, -0/+1I think most parents cannot accept change, especially the change involved in their children growing up. A small percentage of these parents who cannot accept change resort to violence and murder. A Christian preacher who kills his daughter for dating a black man or a Muslim parent who kills his daughter for not wearing a hijab are both equally misguided and unable to accept change.
      • jumblies, on 12/12/2007, -6/+1***** up fatty, nobody whats to hear you gibber.

        Oink.
      • AntiLiberal, on 12/19/2007, -1/+2I DO judge all Muslims by the actions of men like this savage. Islam is NOT a religion of peace, if it were then there would be protests by Muslims about the actions of this disgusting pig of man. Their silence is consent. Islam is a religion of violence, intolerance and savagery. Time to face up tp to it and deal with Islam with all violence the world can bring to bear.
    • fuzzmeister, on 12/12/2007, -13/+31While I will not go down the road of saying Christians are "just as bad" (obviously Islam is in turmoil to a far greater extent than Christianity today), I would love to hear someone name a large-scale religion that has not had numerous atrocious acts committed in it's name. I dare you, just one.
      • fuzzmeister, on 12/12/2007, -6/+14As a follow up, I'm opposed to religious control of public life in all forms, whether it be forcing women to wear hijabs or teaching creationism in public schools. Islam is often far too controlling of public life, but Christianity and other religions often are as well. I'm no apologist, I just want to spread the scorn around evenly.
      • PopcornDave, on 12/12/2007, -6/+18Bhuddism?
        • ImADharmaBum, on 12/12/2007, -7/+16You'd think so, but sadly, no... Traditionally Buddhist nations have had the bloodiest histories in the world..
          • sanman, on 12/12/2007, -0/+12Those were ones afflicted by communism. There weren't any Buddhist death squads.
          • theclashrocker, on 12/12/2007, -0/+4The only bloodshed in Buddhist lands were caused by the Chinesse against the Buddhist monks.
        • BGog, on 12/12/2007, -1/+9The nations yes. That is actually different than commiting the atrocious acts in the name of the religion.
      • dehemke, on 12/12/2007, -14/+10Well, fuzz, the big difference is that Jesus led a very peaceful life, while Mohammed led a very violent one.

        It is possible for a Muslim to be a good person, but only if they are also a bad Muslim.
        It is possible for a Christian to be violent and hateful, but only if they are also a bad Christian.
        • mowe, on 12/12/2007, -2/+12First of all, no where in Islam is violence actually encouraged.
          Also, Muslims believe in Jesus too, they consider him one of the messengers of God. I'm just sick of all the people associating Islam with only Mohammed, while we also believe in the teachings of Jesus and Moses.
          • sanman, on 12/12/2007, -2/+6There are plenty of places in the Koran where violence is encouraged. And the fact is that puritanical orthodoxy encourages militancy and violence.
          • tomasII, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2Once again you misrepresent Islam. Do you actually want us to start quoting verses that not only encourage but mandate violence? I am not buying your deceptive apologetics.
        • fuzzmeister, on 12/12/2007, -3/+5That is an extraordinarily ignorant thing to say. Islam encourages peace to the same degree that Christianity encourages peace, that is, unevenly. Both the Bible and the Koran stress peace, but both also include much violence. One is really no better than the other in that regard.
      • EthanC, on 12/12/2007, -9/+0The Pastafarians and Mormons, I win
        • atbnet, on 12/12/2007, -0/+6The Mormon's are far from perfect.
        • fuzzmeister, on 12/12/2007, -1/+5Definitely not Mormons. You ever read Under the Banner of Heaven? It centers around the murder of a mother and her child by two fanatical Mormons, and what that means about the Mormon faith as a whole, branching out into polygamy and the FLDS. Read it sometime.
        • diaphoni, on 12/12/2007, -1/+1sorry the flying spaghetti monster as a religion is a fail for you. Jokes don't count.
      • pkonink, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4Ba'Hai and Jainism - there's two for you.
      • jparkinson, on 12/12/2007, -3/+7pastafarianism
        • cfuse, on 12/12/2007, -2/+2Church of the Sub Genius and Dischordianism.
          • Laughsatyou, on 12/12/2007, -3/+1Scientology
          • diaphoni, on 12/12/2007, -0/+3Scientology has a history that is very bloody if you actually investigate it.
      • 1337Einstein, on 12/12/2007, -3/+3Stupid response, digg down.
    • AnarchoGoth, on 12/12/2007, -5/+5Speaking of Kool-aid, didn't Jim Jones call himself a Christian?
    • desiprodigy, on 08/01/2008, -3/+15Im a Muslim... and I myself agree that this ***** should be beaten in public and then sent to jail to get assraped for using religion as his excuse for the ***** he pulled. It doesnt effect me that you guys think that all Muslims are terrorists, just shows me how limited your logic is. As far as im concerned Hijab is not something to be forced on anyone, just as i would never force it on my daughter and Hijab aside, i wouldnt even force religion on anyone as it is a decision that solely belongs to the person. Just these ***** lunatic Mullah Extremists out there nowadays that make up their own *****. As far as im concerned, all of these extremists should be raped and beaten to death for the enjoyment of the moral/ethical public. And yes, i AM a MUSLIM and a very proud one saying this...
      • anewname, on 12/12/2007, -3/+3YEAH! DEATH TO ALL EXTREMISTS!

        :S
      • neotrantor, on 12/12/2007, -6/+5hilarious, it's like listening to a ghetto thug talk about education in broken english
      • westhe32nd, on 12/12/2007, -5/+3So you wouldn't force your daughter to wear a scarf, but would you force your son to be circumcised? I'm just wondering because not forcing someone to wear a scarf versus forcing torture and mutilation in the name of cleanliness (despite the widespread availability of soap and water) seems a bit hypocritical.
        • diaphoni, on 12/12/2007, -1/+3actually circumcision came about to avoid sand under the foreskin (which would have to hurt) when traveling and is a tribal thing that was adopted into the religion. Islam isn't the only one that recommends doing it. It's a culture thing that as Americans is still widely in use no matter what the religion of the baby.
    • danconia, on 12/12/2007, -3/+7"Religion of peace" is a damn near oxymoron if you ask me. Any mainstream religion that needs to indoctrinate kids straight from cradle to grave in order to keep positive growth has "abuse" written all over it.
      • diaphoni, on 12/12/2007, -1/+1so Judaism and Christianity fall into that category as well.
    • leexy, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4I fail to see anything in the Quran that commands people to wear the hijab. It says to dress modestly, and that's pretty much common sense more than anything else.
    • zeromous, on 12/12/2007, -7/+3You are all ignorant. This is like a white daughter being killed by her white dad for wearing that slutty dress to school he told her a million times not to wear.

      Wearing a Hijab is a choice, a choice this obviously brutal excuse for a man made for his daughter. He killed her because he was a deranged man, furious at his daughters disrespect for his authority. This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam, and even if it did it would be statistically unlikely that the lack of a Hijab was the reason for her death.

      Buried, this thread is freaking lame, unproductive, and downright racist at times.

      /athiest white guy
      • flip, on 12/27/2007, -0/+1How about this...
        The father could not adapt to a western culture.
        But his children (at least one) was able too.
        Both came into conflict over culture, religion and "mai authroity".

        Therefore, if ***** dad didn't want himself or his family to adopt what it means to live in Rome and do as the Romans, Then he should have stayed in a small little village without running water and tended goats somewhere in BFE. Where you live is as much of a choice as some bronze age myth you fool yourself into following. Now everyone's going to pay the price and that trapped abused little girl is dead.
        The ironic thing is that he's going to be accommodated in prison and cared for by us for the next 20 years.
        Religions are a bad idea that should be left behind...
    • NonServium, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1You can believe everything you hear or read... as long as they use the word "news" to describe it!
    • jaradjohnson, on 01/09/2008, -0/+2What about the Christian that kills his sons by drowning them in the bath tub? Does that mean Christianity is not peaceful?

      No you dumb *****, it means there was A crazy Christian. Wake up.
  • Glansbourg, on 12/12/2007, -98/+46Wow, Canadians are ***** up.
    • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -30/+45NO . . . Canada has some of the same problems we have here with brain dead leftist urban populations in Ontario, Quebec and BC, but overall Canadians are just plain folks like us and those in the Maritimes (I've not been west of the Great Lakes in Canada) are some of the finest people it has ever been my honor and pleasure to meet. If it were not for the taxes and restrictions on firearms, I would be as happy living in Atlantic Canada as I would *northern* New England, the deep South, Alaska or the northern Rocky Mountain states where honesty and character still matter. Dugg down because - no offense - you really DON'T know Canada and its wonderful people.
      • Jimbob200, on 12/12/2007, -14/+19I'd prop you, but I buried you for the "brain dead leftist" comment.
        • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -22/+12Aw, and here I was being restrained in my characterization of that particular sub-species . . . . Oh, well, can't please everyone . . . . .
          • Jimbob200, on 12/12/2007, -5/+1You know Conservatives haven't been in office for the last 10 years, and even now, they have a minority in the House of Commons, so I think it's silly to implicate "brain dead leftists" as the cause of our success :).
          • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -1/+6@ Jimbob2007:

            My observation of "brain-dead" equates to "leftist" - it has nothing to do with Canadian, or indeed any, citizenship. One only need look at the dim bulbs prancing about in the current US dimocrap debates to demonstrate this fact. Likewise 'sub-species' refers to leftists, not Canadians. However, I must admit 'brain-dead leftist' is a redundant term and may have confused some readers.
      • ShinRaTDR, on 12/12/2007, -8/+13"Dugg down because - no offense - you really DON'T know Canada and its wonderful people."

        Apparently neither do you, by characterizing all of Ontario, Quebec & BC as brain dead leftists (According to wikipedia, those 3 provinces have a total of 24 million residents, which is about 5/6ths of the population of Canada) you clearly show an ignorance that I wouldn't expect from someone who took the time to travel to Canada before forming their opinion.
        • smacksaw, on 12/12/2007, -1/+15All 3 Canadian parties would be Democrats if they ran in the USA. NDP would be like SF/New England socialist Democrats, the Liberals would be like Ohio or Pennsylvania Democrats and the Conservatives would be like Southern Democrats.

          The gov't reflects the will of the people and the inherent social nature of what it means to be Canadian.
          • ShinRaTDR, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4Couldn't have said it better myself.
        • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4It has nothing to do with the Provincial citizenship (failed for reading comprehension), but rather the urban centers in those three which seem to promote group-think and nanny-state dependencies (found throughout the world). There is an old saying which seems rather accurate here about 'people divided by a common language.' We have the same problem with many urban dwellers here, probably because very few urban dwellers have the ability or urge to survive absent a large supporting cast.
          • ShinRaTDR, on 12/12/2007, -2/+2"which seem to promote group-think and nanny-state dependencies (found throughout the world)."

            And characterizing 5/6ths of all Canadians (and in your other comment, all "lefists") as brain dead isn't group think? I have no problem with conservatism, or liberalism, the downfall of all societies, religions etc..? Extremism. Its people like you who judge the entire "other side" as retards because they don't share your view.

            "probably because very few urban dwellers have the ability or urge to survive absent a large supporting cast."

            Yes, a large population costs money to support, and what do those bastards give us in return? Well, the strip of land between Toronto and Montreal contributes 54% (yes, more than half) of Canada's GDP. Meanwhile Toronto's infrastructure is falling apart because assholes like you insist that it gets way too much money to begin with. THATS BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMUTERS AND CONTRIBUTE HALF OF CANADA'S CASH!.
          • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2@ ShinRaTDR: . . . . . .
            "Meanwhile Toronto's infrastructure is falling apart because assholes like you insist that it gets way too much money to begin with."

            Er, I think your anger has over-boiled as it should be obvious I am not a Canadian citizen and thus have no say in how your high taxes are spent. But - seriously - good luck with the taxes and infrastructure.
      • Sketchcast, on 12/12/2007, -6/+9You don't know *****, stay the ***** out of my country, thanks.
        • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -3/+2I am sure I do not have as intimate a knowledge of fecal matter as your close personal association gives you, in any event.
        • Glansbourg, on 12/12/2007, -2/+2I wear a Hijab. Canada sounds like the last place I want to be, as I don't feel like being murdered by some "Looney", thank you very much.
        • frishack, on 12/19/2007, -0/+1keep you hijabs out of our country and our laws. kthanx
      • wootup, on 12/12/2007, -7/+8Buried for referring to me (an urban BC leftist) as "brain-dead".
        I am Canadian, and let me tell you you DON'T KNOW CANADIANS, bigot.
        • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -3/+5It has nothing to do with Canadian citizenship (failed for reading comprehension). There is an old saying which seems rather accurate about people divided by a common language. Please note, I stated ". . . has some of the same problems we have here with brain dead leftist urban populations . . . . " Unfortunately, the US is also infested with this sub-species, with the largest concentrations in urban populations (somewhere in there is a great sociology study about why wimps are largely an urban phenomenon - has the genome mutated or has it become a cultural norm to rely on the nanny state?) . In any event, as to your particular quibble, no matter your residence, if you were not brain-dead, you would not be a leftist. Q.E.D.
          • wootup, on 12/12/2007, -3/+4Yes, clearly the only reason why people have different worldviews than you is because they are "brain-dead"... Moron.
            And like I said, you DON'T KNOW CANADIANS. I'll keep my low-crime rate, public health care, surplus economy and strengthening dollar country over your crime-infested, prison-cramming, for-profit medicine, record-deficit, limp-wristed currency country any day.
          • ShinRaTDR, on 12/13/2007, -1/+1"somewhere in there is a great sociology study about why wimps are largely an urban phenomenon - has the genome mutated or has it become a cultural norm to rely on the nanny state?"

            Because I don't think of more than half of the world as a "sub-species" or "brain dead" (read: a polite way of calling them retarted) I'm a wimp? For someone who talks like they know what they are saying you sure reach some faulty conclusions.
      • SteelFrog, on 12/12/2007, -3/+4"If it were not for the taxes and restrictions on firearms..."

        Firearms restriction is one of the reasons I love my country. Too many people are needlessly killed in the US because gun control is so loose.
        • Glansbourg, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1Choosing to not wear a Hijab without being killed is one of the reasons I love my country. Too many people are needlessly killed in the US because of intolerance toward those who choose to go Hijab-free.
        • Iconoclast25, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2@ SteelFrog: . . . . . . . Actually, the death toll is declining, with the drops corresponding to passage of CCW and Castle Doctrine laws (fewer restrictions) . . . . criminals have an aversion to being killed on the job.

          @Glansbourg . . . . . . Seems you have a serious typo or logical disconnect there. I'm not aware of anyone subject to intolerance for *not* wearing the Hijab, much less killed for doing so.
    • fuzzmeister, on 12/12/2007, -5/+19A great example of why extrapolation is ridiculous.
      • tehbored, on 12/12/2007, -1/+1So your saying that if I have a set of point and draw a line of best fit, I can't use that line to approximately predict values of other potential data points by using extrapolation?
        • fuzzmeister, on 12/12/2007, -0/+2I should have specified that I meant massive extrapolation with tiny amounts of data.
      • 2000, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1Bingo!
      • yournightmare, on 12/12/2007, -2/+10Dude, that's the whole point of his post. He says "Canadians are ***** up," has -20 diggs, and has people clamoring to defend Canadians. The guy who says "Muslims are ***** up" ends up with +95 diggs, people hanging off his nuts, and anybody disagreeing with him being buried into oblivion. His post, the number of buries he has, and the responses highlight the problem perfectly.
        • LilJimmyNordin, on 12/12/2007, -1/+8Yes. The problem of savages killing their kids.
    • georgetds, on 12/12/2007, -2/+9Not sure if you are trying to make a point or not, but the point is made all the same - if we can assume from this single action that Islam sucks, then we must also assume that Canadians also suck. I am not defending Islam or Canadians, I am just enjoying the fact that so many take one story about one man and his brutal actions and assume that others of a same faith or citizenship must also share his beliefs and actions.

      Both Islam and Canadians are made up of many people and many actions - if we are going to judge, try and at least judge using many examples, not just one. At least it will be a little more accurate.

      Now, this poor girls father - I am all for heaping contempt on him personally - I can't see any excuse for what he did. His actions most certainly do speak for himself.
      • christoast, on 09/04/2008, -4/+3without Islam, she would be alive. being Canadian had nothing to do with it. faulty logic. you post is missing "- Allah Akbar" as a signature.
      • DiggDuggDunn, on 01/06/2008, -0/+1george....she was killed IN THE NAME OF iSALM!! Plain and simple. Her refusal to wear the covering was a humiliation to this beast and his "religion". Many islamic scholars around the world hold the same twisted views as this beast. And pointing out that muslims believe this is not islamophobic, it merely observation.
    • agimat, on 12/12/2007, -2/+5Fine. Let's judge with *many* examples - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

      Fresh daily examples FTW
    • FongoBongo, on 12/12/2007, -3/+6Thanks for generalizing about all Canadians...*****

      I'm from Mississauga and I can attest to the fact that this is the first incident regarding such a killing. Don't generalize because you make yourself into an utter *****.
      • JimintheOC, on 01/02/2008, -1/+0Up yours you redneck hoser. Had you the ability to both read and comprehend you would have realized I was asking rhetorical question. Go back to screwing sheep or whatever it is you do in that wasteland in the middle of winter.
    • JimintheOC, on 12/12/2007, -2/+2Some how ir seems wrong to link all Canadians to this a-hole, but if anything happens in the US, Canadians are always more than happy to blame all Americans for what ever happens....now that the shoe is on the other foot, is it still wrong?
    • miketherazor, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2I think he was making a joke people! Instead of pointing out the obvious, Muslims are nuts, he picked up on the obscure fact of the article, that is happened in Canada. It reminds me of something Chevy Chase would have said back when he was actually funny.
  • Taquoshi, on 12/12/2007, -33/+208I hope the father and the brother get to cool their heels in prison for a LONG time. They'll have plenty of time to pray to Mecca then....
    • popothebright, on 12/12/2007, -2/+20I think the father and son will make wonderful 'wives' to a convict named 'Bubba'. But at least they'll have their 'honor' intact.
    • sniperhare, on 12/12/2007, -4/+19don't pray to mecca in the shower....
      • burnnation, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2that's pretty clever
        • DeadRepubs, on 12/12/2007, -1/+0Only in the mind of the retarded inbred /klansman/xenophobe aka you.
    • itneedstobesaid, on 12/12/2007, -1/+5I must correct the usual drivel we keep finding here. Muslims pray to God, in the direction of Mecca. It's not that hard.
      It's like saying Christians worship the cross.
      • JonnyTrombone, on 12/12/2007, -0/+3They also pray facing the direction that presents the closest line towards Mecca- which isn't always east. I've read that Muslims in Alaska pray due north.
      • ShosuroYuu, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4Except you forgot (or didn't know) that the Earth is round and therefore the vast majority of Muslims are actually praying out to space.
        • itneedstobesaid, on 12/12/2007, -2/+2neither - i believe the prayer path follows the earth's orbit.

          Or not...i just made that up. Actually, the reason people point towards Mecca is a unification thing, all together, all facing the same direction, as one. So it's like, you face the direction you would face if you were travelling towards Mecca. Do you understand now, or you got time for another pathetically facetious comment?
      • Xokeman, on 12/26/2007, -1/+0Christians don't worship the cross they worship the true God..... wow...
    • rkho, on 12/12/2007, -5/+2Why don't we just strangle those two as well?
    • 80hd, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2I say that the prosecution ought to offer him a plea bargain:
      60-life if he is to make a public good faith apology and condemn his religious inspiration to harm any person.
      Otherwise life without possibility of parole. And hopefully after enough rapings the man just hangs himself with a sheet anyway. No person capable of such sick beliefs deserves freedom.
      • Joomal, on 12/12/2007, -0/+2In Canada we do not have any prison term that extends beyond life, which is 25 years I believe. Unlike the USA, it is impossible to get 2 or 3 life terms stacked together.

        Personally I think, since this will probably 2nd degree murder when all is said and done, that he will get parole in 10 years.

        Here is what wikipedia says about Canadian manslaughter:

        Canadian second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another m