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- twavisdegwet, on 08/09/2008, -9/+239Nice to see the pirate bay is taking measures to make sure Italy does not win this fight.
- Rentyr, on 08/10/2008, -5/+174The Italian people are Italy...not their government. TPB is making steps to ensure that Italy does win this fight.
- Yusayoh, on 08/10/2008, -9/+162TPB is going to win, and they're going to own with their awesome pirate ship.
- darkknightita, on 08/10/2008, -6/+116Copy of the article, for the benefit of the Italian diggers (so you -we- can read while you set up a proxy or change DNS server):
Fascist state censors Pirate Bay
We're quite used to fascist countries not allowing freedom of speech. A lot of smaller nations that have dictators decide to block our site since we can help spread information that could be harmful to the dictators.
This time it's Italy. They suffer from a really bad background as one of the IFPIs was formed in Italy during the fascist years and now they have a fascist leader in the country, Silvio Berlusconi. Berlusconi is also the most powerful person in Italian media owning a lot of companies that compete with The Pirate Bay and he would like to stay that way - so one of his lackeys, Giancarlo Mancusi, ordered a shutdown of our domain name and IP in Italy to make it hard to not support Berlusconis empire.
We have had fights previously in Italy, recently with our successful art installation where we had to storm Fortezza in order to get our art done. And as usual, we won. We will also win this time.
We have already changed IP for the website - that makes it work for half the ISPs again. And we want you all to inform your italian friends to switch their DNS to OpenDNS so they can bypass their ISPs filters. This will also let them bypass the other filters installed by the Italian government, as a bonus. And for the meanwhile - http://labaia.org works (La Baia means The Bay in Italian).
And please, everybody should also contact their ISP and tell them that this is not OK and that the ISPs should appeal. We don't want a censored internet! And the war starts here... - treyd1, on 08/10/2008, -2/+90Italy made one crucial mistake in their calculations. They're a coastal country, and therefore extra vulnerable to pirate attacks.
- Harboggles, on 08/10/2008, -5/+81Did anyone else read www.labaia.org as labia?
- whatthefu, on 08/10/2008, -32/+101Calling Italy fascist for upholding a retarded law does not make Italy fascist.
- klitzbtc, on 08/10/2008, -15/+81http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi#Con ...
Looks like a fascist to me.
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
~Benito Mussolini - Lulzkillah, on 08/10/2008, -3/+67Most unbiased title ever.
- AeroMerde, on 08/10/2008, -13/+74This really sucks and should NOT be allowed, but damn people are using the word "fascist" liberally these days.
- zerocooler, on 08/10/2008, -9/+70Can't they just leave TPB alone. Long live the Pirate Bay!
- highlymodified, on 08/10/2008, -6/+64Ironic Paradox of the Day: "Liberal use of fascism"
- east1337, on 08/10/2008, -8/+56mafia doesn't make enough money from pirate cd-r, so they get rid of the competition
- GoreLeech, on 08/10/2008, -11/+54TPB FTW.
Seriously though, I'm getting tired of governments thinking they can just shut down pirating. More unfortunately, governments also consider TPB the "Tripoli" of the internet pirating scene.
However, this time the issue (thankfully) can't really be solved by a crack force of Marines. Unless they invade Sweden. And that would suck. - fearphage, on 08/10/2008, -2/+36Well put sir or madam. Consider yourself dugg thoroughly.
- darkknightita, on 08/10/2008, -3/+33Are you sure? Come here and take a look.
- OfNumbers, on 08/10/2008, -3/+33Because bittorrents can be used to spread free speech? Or to spread free porn? You be the judge.
- writie, on 08/10/2008, -2/+21The mafia and pirates fighting it out. That just about sums up the morality of this debate.
- inactive, on 08/10/2008, -12/+30.05% free information, 99.95% music, PC games, and porn.
Keep fighting the good fight, Pirate Bay! You obviously have no financial stake in this! - dafunkmonster, on 08/10/2008, -1/+18I literally laughed out loud. Touche, sir. Touche.
- folletto, on 08/10/2008, -2/+18The problem isn't about WHAT website has been censored: TPB isn't the only one! It's just the last one. And the most famous one.
Censorship isn't a way to enforce laws.
You know what's the problem? That we have in Italy a law about GAMBLING that legalized censorship. And now they are using that infrastructure to block anything.
Whoops. - Ironspork, on 08/10/2008, -1/+17Makes sense. I mean, I spend time parking my ship in my woman's bay all the time.
- roodammy44, on 08/10/2008, -0/+16When most people do something that is illegal, fighting against it is generally pointless.
It also makes the people feel that laws aren't there for their protection, but for subduing.
This breeds resistance to the government, which the government ignores to its peril. - sirhomer, on 08/10/2008, -1/+17Too much misinformation going here.
The Pirate Bay does not break any copyright laws. In fact, in reality they are no different then any other search engine, except the major ones like Live Search, Yahoo or Google index far more 'illegal' information and torrents then TPB.
If Italy is serious about this, they should take a stand and block all search engines as well. - sirhomer, on 08/10/2008, -3/+17Did you know it's possible to do something that is beneficial for the public good and still make a profit from it?
The Pirate Bay does not break any copyright laws. In fact, in reality they are no different then Google, except Google indexes far more 'illegal' information and torrents then TPB. - ralphthemagi, on 08/10/2008, -2/+16No one said that the two issues are equal.
Simply put though, any encroachment into free speech is a problem. It's a red flag. Once it starts, it doesn't stop. First you can't go to this site, then you can't go to that site—where do you draw the line, and who's decision is it to draw that line?
Today they ban TPB. Big deal. But what are they going to ban tomorrow? Now that groups know that it's possible, they can start lobbying to ban other things. - hotpuck6, on 08/10/2008, -6/+20Mussolini come back from the dead?
- ileftfark, on 08/10/2008, -4/+16Whether you agree with the gentlemen of TPB, you have to admire the commitment to their cause. And so far, they've been justified in every legal battle I'm aware of. Good on them.
- anonymous1986, on 08/10/2008, -4/+16No one disputes that sivio berlusconi is an idiot. He basically controls the whole of the italian media and is the richest man in italy. He passed laws that generally make it impossible for a stable government to be formed in italy and furthermore he has passed bills that prevent him from being taken to trial for fraud. He supported the war in iraq when 90% of the population was against it and sent italian soldier to iraq. Worst of all though he is the president of AC Milan. However, you cannot call the whole country of italy a fascist state just because the man in power currently is an idiot.
- FreddieD, on 08/10/2008, -1/+13Exactly.
If I do a search for "**insert search term here** torrent" in google, I'm going to find a .torrent file that I can use to obtain this software. By this rule, Google is just as liable as TPB or any other torrent indexer, no? Neither hosts one byte of illegal data, they simply point to people who do.
And as a reminder for those who think that United States law = the law of every other country in the world, what they are doing is 100% legal in Sweden. It's not a goofy loophole, it's not a gray area, it is entirely legal. - TVarmy, on 08/10/2008, -0/+11The mafia vs. the pirates would be an awesome movie. Or maybe it would make for a great RPG. A rouge gangster takes up the pirate cause after losing an eye, donning an eye patch, and realizing they're not so different after all, and the pirates have the moral superiority. He proves instrumental in turning the war to the side of the swashbucklers.
- halfdirt, on 08/10/2008, -10/+20I only use BitTorrent to download linux distributions. I check every mp3 and movie torrent I can find, just in case they are linux distributions that have been renamed accidentally. If you want to take that right away from me, you're worse than Hitler.
- patpl22391, on 08/10/2008, -6/+15They just had a left-leaning prime minister, but just re-elected Silvio Berlusconi. Eventually he will be voted out of office and a different leader from another party will take the reigns. I am tired of retards like you claiming every country is fascist when you don't know for ***** what "Fascism" really is.
- Enron, on 08/10/2008, -1/+10I don't need a moral compass. I have GPS.
- sirhomer, on 08/10/2008, -0/+9In the United States, gun ownership is protected under the second amendment of the Constitution.
- libervisco, on 08/10/2008, -1/+9Yes.
- endofnite, on 08/10/2008, -2/+10http://www.opendns.com 4tw
- Ymeg, on 08/10/2008, -9/+17omg u faciest.
- ileftfark, on 08/10/2008, -5/+131) There are millions of Creative Commons files, as well as self-distributed files with no licensing at all that are quickly and legally disseminated, using the bittorrent protocol.
2) The companies creating this "intellectual property"? Name one that's not a "racket". - inactive, on 08/10/2008, -1/+8Facism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
Facist: A person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
Pakakapa: A typical internet troll who didn't pay attention in social studies. - Ironspork, on 08/10/2008, -1/+8Paper tiger fallacy! Seriously, don't make impossible (and not common) correlations and then make them seem sorta threatening. And in order to keep rights, we need to defend against ANY precedent against said rights right when they appear. A single country with precedent against any sort of internet communication could spell bad news for just about any nerd with access to the tubes.
- mornon, on 08/10/2008, -1/+8http://tinyurl.com/6n7snf
- sirhomer, on 08/10/2008, -3/+10Imaginary property != physical property
- badpazzword, on 08/10/2008, -3/+10For the time being, you are correct. For the time being.
- Cnat, on 08/10/2008, -1/+8I just assumed this was an article about America. We are officially "fascist" now, right?
- natmaster, on 08/10/2008, -1/+8The fascist law is what makes the fascist country fascist.
- pHreaksYcle, on 08/10/2008, -2/+9What's better than having both?
Making it legal to have both. Wait, it is! (In the US) - ileftfark, on 08/10/2008, -3/+9Google indexes trillions of illegal files. The Pirate Bay indexes files that, depending on locale, can also be illegal. Shut them both down?
I'm not sure if you understand how a tracker works. - Licurgo, on 08/10/2008, -0/+6maybe that's the way of the future,maybe in the future will be a society with no money,just information, and the music movies and games aren't free,you have to give something back to other people,seeding the stuff or uploading new stuff
- happilycynical, on 08/10/2008, -1/+7Pirate Bay's been blocked in the UAE for a long long LONG time. So has Twitter, Flickr, Torrentz, last.fm, Skype, some parts of myspace...
Okay, sure, I can see the reason for blocking Pirate Bay here - copyright laws and all that...but twitter? Seriously?
What's even funnier is that nobody knows about it. -
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