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Face scans for air passengers to begin in UK this summer

guardian.co.uk — From summer, unmanned clearance gates will be phased in to scan passengers' faces and match the image to the record on the computer chip in their biometric passports.

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  • stienster, on 04/25/2008, -15/+32can I get some help speculating on what/who/why these systems are being implemented? My friends here understand that 9/11 and the London Underground 7/7 bombings were false flag events, so I'm asking for real scenarios of what this and the real ID are in place to detect. It could be as (God forgive me) innocent as supply and demand marketing. The war machine makes lots of money for the defense contractors (including these biometric/Real ID thingies), and the false flags are launching points for the war machine to get moving. Please comment/speculate. I feel like I'm missing something and it's bugging me.
    • Look4Truth, on 04/25/2008, -11/+34It's about control, plain and simple. They want to get us serfs used to being treated like animals so they can herd us into camps easier when the time comes. We are frogs in water to those evil lunatics and the brain dead masses eat it up.

      Problem, reaction, solution...9/11 was just the beginning.
    • Myonosken, on 04/25/2008, -8/+9Given 7/7 harmed the government, I don't understand how you can state as a fact that it was a "false flag event". That is an opinion, not a fact. Doing that is as bad as the tactics employed by bad governments.
    • dukeeeey, on 04/25/2008, -9/+18when 7/7 happened they were running a drill where by the same bus and the same trains would get hit at the same times and locations
      admitted in MSM
      videos here:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvkhe3rqtc
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEbUQiYOGjU&feature ...

      WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      • mike17032, on 04/25/2008, -9/+4Using the phrase "WAKE UP" anywhere in your post is an automatic fail.

        Of course so is being a ***** crazy moonbat troofer, so no skin off your back I guess.
    • Picaroon, on 04/25/2008, -16/+5It's to prevent all sorts of criminals, not usually or necessarily terrorists, from boarding flights.

      I always ask people who are afraid of something like this what the real impact is. What's the harm? Where's the downside, the negative impact from this? Usually the response is some rabid ***** about NWO, "them," the "government," or a quote from 1984. I have yet to see a logical and reasonable response.

      Then again, if you're idiotic enough to think that 7/7 was "false flag," you're probably not capable of writing anything logical or reasonable.
      • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2What's the harm?
        - Bad King Rule. When a Good King is in power tools like this can be used for good. When a Bad King is in power, can be used for Very Bad.
        Best not to let tools this powerful get deployed, maybe?
        Have you ever heard "absolute power corrupts - absolutely."? Historically its happened to many, many governments and so logically it could happen here ... especially if its run as a business.
        • masterm1nd, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2Lol, you didn't really answer the question like he said you would. "power is bad" is not a negative impact of the facial recognition. By your logic, the internet would also be bad and lead to the demise of our nation.
        • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3no, the internet is decentralized - the facial scan database, along with many others, will certainly be centralized --- and then life changing decisions will be made by authority figures based on that information and you will have no redress.
        • masterm1nd, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2 Your argument was that power is bad. Centralization is irrelevant. The internet gave the government all kinds of power it previously did not have.
      • Gunite, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Are you saying this is a tool to catch criminals, or just a means of telling them to go away when they try and use this particular method of transportation?
      • quadvods, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3The council can give you a fine of £1000 if you put a piece of plastic in the wrong recycling bin. Nobody asked me if I thought that was a good idea... the people in power do not represent the will of the people. By having my fingerprints for example, they could enforce something like that very easily. This example is regarding rubbish... but where else could it end. Even the slighest deviation from THEIR rules will have you screwed... I'd rather be harder to catch thanks.
    • mithrasinvictus, on 04/25/2008, -0/+13When the biometric database is complete, automated checkpoints won't be limited to borders anymore.
      • OriginalReplica, on 04/26/2008, -0/+5I doubt they will even wait until the biometric data base is complete. If they can get the software to make biometric IDs on their CCTV systems, anyone who is flagged for any reason can be tracked. Participate in a demonstration- get flagged, challenge an abusive police officer - get flagged, do anything but be a good little sheep - get flagged. Get too many flags and you become a regular "false positive" and get a strip search everytime you want to fly. Just to remind you who is in charge.
        • Pixelante, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0Then you'll have to learn to behave. This is not going away, ever.
    • mike17032, on 04/25/2008, -9/+6You and your "friends" need to get the ***** back on your meds.
      • Evermin7, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3You (I am assuming no friends) need to get back to watching TV and believing it like the brainwashed piece that you are.
    • trackerbishop, on 04/26/2008, -4/+67/7 and 9/11 were all inside job psy-ops designed to give the US and UK govt excuses to expand their oversight of citizenry, as well as expand their empires into the middle east since both the US/UK need the energy (oil=iraq, pipeline=afghanistan). go to www.911summary.com and prisonplanet.com daily for your source of uncensored news that isnt allowed on digg's main page.

      the goal is to implement security so oppressed citizens cannot takeover planes and fight back against the government (this would have been our only weapon once we implement full fascism, but they foresaw this and have used 9/11 to beef up security)
      • Pixelante, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2Remember to change your underwear between one mindless rant and the other.
    • quadvods, on 04/26/2008, -0/+5Unless they have the biometric data for the terrorists (unlikely) then the system is worthless for detecting them.
      Even if they have bio data for everyone in the UK, it would not help in instances where these terrorists are british in the firstplace and suddenly turn extremest (see 7/7).
    • Chazx, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Uhh... war machine defense contractors? supply and demand? These technologies will cost us BILLIONS.
      These technologies will make the procedures we already do harder to evade.
    • ufia, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2This is all a plot to scare people off flying and sell them more ice cream down here in America. You have know idea how many false flag operations like this happens all the time, right under our nose. I should know, I worked for the CIA for 40 years, and trust me, we would go to great length, even if it meant killing innocent wifes and babies, to sell more candies and frozen yogurt. The dairy militaro-industrial complex is getting out of control. Wake up!
    • LeeSoong, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1MULTIPASS !

      - The Fifth Element, cruise ticket counter scene...
  • yellowcakewalk, on 04/25/2008, -10/+12You're asking the right questions, steinster. A false-flag attack is exactly what the global plutocracy needs right now. They'll be able to round up us dissidents like in Chile 1973 and out go the lights. I hope it doesn't happen but won't be surprised.
  • Look4Truth, on 04/25/2008, -12/+10Must be for all the new blond terrorists that have been terrorizing the world...oh wait...
  • stienster, on 04/25/2008, -7/+4I think you're both right. I totally forgot that there are way too many of us for 'their' liking. It's all about the great round-up and slaughter. But really, what fun will they have after we're gone? Who will they play with then?
  • debunkthelies, on 04/25/2008, -9/+12I'm sorry folks but this is beyond the pale, Stop the Planet, I want to get off! But seriously, it's all part of The New World Order plan to reduce the population from some 5 billion down to 2.5 billion so that it's more sustainable for them. Now doesn't that make more sense, to get rid of all those yucky extra people that are messing up their world.
    • shinythingy, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Stop the world and let me off..........
    • mCanada, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2Who's "them"? Do you have credible evidence of any government / organization plotting to kill 2.5 billion people? No government would be stupid enough to kill that many people off, your economy would tank and radicals could get a foot in democratic workings. No one would sabotage their economy like that. This vague title "New World Order" is like some bad boy band that everyone seems to like.
      • Sinnic, on 04/26/2008, -2/+6Now here's the truth about the system that'll ***** up your mind
        They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
        And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
        And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
        Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
        But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
        In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
        I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
        I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
        And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
        About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
        Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
        And then it disappeared from the news permanently
        They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
        "Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
        Rockin a ***** flag don't make you a hero
        Word to Ground Zero
        The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
        The New World Order was born on September Eleventh

        /Immortal Technique
        • mCanada, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1'ummm yeah so how about that proof of the 2.5 bilion? Who's "they"? I do know the American government tried to oust the Soviets in the 80's via proxy in Afghanistan. Is that what your incoherent paragraph is referring to? If you don't like government X - say so, don't just start making up some comic book super villain called the "NWO". That's when people tell you to take off the tin foil hats.
        • Pixelante, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0Are you just stupid or simply retarded?
  • groovechamp30, on 04/25/2008, -3/+7This is sinister.
  • RSS14, on 04/25/2008, -3/+38Back to 1984 . . .
    • KingVegas702, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6this brothers me.....
    • neopolaris, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Expect more. Do not be afraid.
    • Checkerd, on 04/25/2008, -1/+8War is Peace
      Freedom is Slavery
      Ignorance is Strength
  • philman467, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4for realsies?
  • Myonosken, on 04/25/2008, -6/+10^ Where did the NWO theorists all appear from?
    • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -5/+13from the same place you are at right now - rational disbelief the the gov't is doing this crap to us based on hype and strong historical evidence that civil societies can go bad, centralize power, and then in the name of freedom trample the very freedom they are supposed to be protecting.
    • mike17032, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3Paint chips is my guess.

      Or glue sniffers.
  • harrydabassist, on 04/25/2008, -1/+5*****, I don't need a computer to also tell me I'm ugly...
    • objectcode, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1i imagine enough people do that already, why have a computer to tell you that too?
  • kb29, on 04/25/2008, -5/+7How appropriate, that this kind of stuff first happens in the UK. It's very Orwellian.
    • mrhahn, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1All they need to do is install this in Heathrow's new terminal and they'll have the ultimate ***** of an airport!
    • Pixelante, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0The UK is fully committed to the Safe Society. In order to reach a perfect state of Safety, everybody must be controlled. The people will enthusiastically embrace this new measure.
  • Emrtr4, on 04/25/2008, -7/+4Wtf are you people babbling about?

    But it does also provide stronger evidence that the impending EU superstate (google Lisbon treaty) will be the first western police state in the 21st century.
    • Owwmykneecap, on 04/25/2008, -3/+3No it doesn't.
      The UK loves to act Big Brother.
      The EU doesn't.

      Go travel to Ireland, France Germany you nearest neighbours and you'll (not) see way less cameras and *****.

      the uk is obsessed with it.
    • inchino, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1No Britain is just obsessed from wikipedia:

      "There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain - about one for every 14 people."
  • handstrongpimp, on 04/25/2008, -6/+2just start the DNA databases already...........
  • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -6/+6when the revolution comes (20 years from now?) there's going to be a lot of blood
    • iticu, on 04/25/2008, -3/+5Haha, you think so? I think we're going to continue to bitch and complain but not do anything.
    • wellyuk, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3British people uprise and revolt? Very unlikely. When we can't even complain about a crap meal or poor customer service, what makes you think we'll ever uprise against the government?
      • PeppermintPig, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2You're promoting a stereotype that the British are more inclined to servitude on average. Sadly, history seems to agree with that... however, it is only true if you believe that individuals can't make a difference and do not matter.
        • wellyuk, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1History and now are two different times. Britons of old, I wouldn't doubt for a second that they'd do what needs to be done. However, Britons of modern times are a different beast.
        • Pixelante, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Individuals cannot make a difference. Are you seriously suggesting a couple of disgruntled nerds can do anything against a government fully backed by the population? Methinks you've been watching "The Matrix" one time too many.
          • PeppermintPig, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1In the sense that history is written in very generalized and inadvertently collectivist form, no, it's not likely that you'll make the history books. But only individuals can make decisions.
          • PeppermintPig, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Additionally...

            The problem with comparing The Matrix to the real world is that the story's theme is heavily messianic. This 'you're the ONE' kind of bs can be projected in the real world onto politicians, developing personality cults.

            You have similarly flimsy premises in movies like Star Wars. Something of a space opera dealing with the procession of relationships. But these movies, by necessity of keeping things simple, establish characters who are unbelievably naive politically, despite the fact that politics is one of its main themes.

            These are entertaining films, but definitely not sourced from the pool of greater science fiction, or even hard SF. Some people may distinguish it as the difference between science fiction and science fantasy.
    • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3when the militarized police shoot / take away at night someone you love for no good reason you might feel differently
  • mrzack, on 04/25/2008, -7/+6Something was an INSIDE JOB. Big Brother is conspiring against the people...
  • iticu, on 04/25/2008, -4/+2I think they put one of those chips in my dog aswell.
  • sentinel106, on 04/25/2008, -4/+9Big Brother is watching us...
    I miss personal privacy and civil freedoms and not having to worry about getting tasered =(
  • TheZorch, on 04/25/2008, -5/+9What the ***** is going on back in Merry Ol' England? They're more paranoid than our government is over here!
    • anyone4apint, on 04/25/2008, -0/+6.... the TSA make 'every' alien enter their biometric and facial information when entering the USA. This is not optional, you 'have' to submit your biometrics or you do not get let in.
      • hinchb, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Not that anyone was going to vacation there anyways
  • tehmacuser, on 04/25/2008, -3/+28Welcome to City 17.
    • mirokoi, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4you have chosen or been chosen
      throw the can at the storm trooper
    • Checkerd, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4Pick up that can.
    • Arkz, on 04/25/2008, -1/+8i swear it is like City 17 here, i live in Leeds and see coppers walking around all the time and at the top of my street there's a post with a camera on it, i see it following me when i walk past... which i don't like
      • PeppermintPig, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4Get angry. And then get smart: Communicate your views with friends so you're not alienated by the impersonal nature of the system. Given they're determined to expand their security state, show the same kind of determination to politely question the system. Any time you are accused of something, you can take the time to seek clarity to any and all questions you have determining justice and legitimacy of anything the try to use against you.
  • Owwmykneecap, on 04/25/2008, -5/+7The Uk went down a dangerous path with it's cctv obsession and while its useful for court cases its useless at prevention.
    Daddy still gets murdered....
    • anyone4apint, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2Not to mention speed cameras...
      • wellyuk, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Not sure I disagree with speed cameras when they're being used to stop idiots driving like idiots. Although when they're being used (and I bet it goes on) to track peoples' where abouts, that is obviously not great.
        • quadvods, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2they do not stop idiots. that is the point of why everyone hates them.
  • neopolaris, on 04/25/2008, -4/+10Satan doesn't know this will end. He doesn't know that he's going to loose. In the meantime, he will collect information about every living person on the planet, by any means necessary. One way or another, data will be harvested, to figure you out and manipulate you. He wants your soul. You'd better make a choice before the Man comes around.
    • zemkacz, on 04/25/2008, -3/+3WTF?
    • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3Please get your head out of the clouds with the monotheism and help fight real world issues.
      (and if you still believe get a book on out of the body, learn how to do it, meet the beings from the other planes, and then give up religion - PLEASE)
    • mike17032, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1LuL what?
  • JohnP, on 04/25/2008, -14/+8TIP: Before mentioning 1984, or "fascist UK" read the first line of the article..

    "Airline passengers are to be screened with facial recognition technology rather than checks by passport officers, in an attempt to improve security and ease congestion, the Guardian can reveal."

    Now kindly STFU you ignorant morons. We dont want to know that youre ***** yourself in your tinfoil coated bunker. Keep your apocalyptic ***** to yourselves. If you really cared youd be out there rallying for Obama or something.
    • JavertHolmes, on 04/25/2008, -6/+11I rate your troll a solid 8 out of 10. The second paragraph's quotation contradicts the first paragraph's point perfectly, while the reference to Obama is always a good button pusher. This is quality work that, with a bit more tweaking, could easily become a 10/10 post.
    • Seizure, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3Fascism? No. Not now, anyway. Not yet. Honestly, it's not the current application of this technology that scares me. It's where it's going. In fact, it's not the tech that scares me at all, it's the government. The more ability they have to restrict freedom, the more likely they are to do just that.
    • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1so when the Windows database crashes and you get held for an extra 10 hours --- you'll be OK with that, right?
    • maxpep09, on 04/25/2008, -0/+7yes, i agree, this by itself only irks me a bit. what worries me about it is that it makes it a lot easier for your information to be gathered and so it will become viable for the government to be able to track your movements. where will this technology end up? train stations? (after all, the 7/7 bombings were mostly on trains) , or possibly onto the high-street? would it be possible to apply this technology to all CCTV cameras? this would allow for all information on your whereabouts to be tracked by bureaucrats. big brother?
      • JohnP, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Absolutely, its a very valid topic for discussion. I just cant stand people (especially americans) who basically campaign against the UK because, apparently, it is a fascist state which has CCTV cameras in every UK home. A lot of UK residents who have read Digg for years will know what im talking about. It also has a lot to do with technophobia. Ironic really.

        If this kind of technology ever ventures out of appropriate applications i would be calling for its removal, just like all UK residents should, but its not. Technology like this COULD be miss used, but it is a lot more benign than the billions of weapons our army posses, or even the REAL tracking and recording systems that are in place (patriot act, EU state rendition co-op) in the west.

        Talk about the real issues and help people out. If you have an over active imagination write a bloody book! (Just dont form a cult based on your ***** sci-fi novels)
        • MrWhite7, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1campaign agaqinst the UK? Your cameras are your business...
    • queotic, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2Now that you so graciously pointed out that it's for my safety, I love the idea of the government having a face scan of me.

      "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Benjamin Franklin
      • zombo, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2"Those that would give up sanity to feed their paranoid delusions deserve a slap round the head. " Zombo
    • rex84, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1I think you'll really enjoy this website:
      http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
    • hinchb, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1Since you obviously believe everything you are told:
      I am the second coming of Jesus, please paypal me some money.
  • Picaroon, on 04/25/2008, -8/+7^ The only thing stupider than living in fear of terrorism is living in fear of the "NWO"
    I find it very funny that the same people who would scorn those who are afraid of a real, albeit unlikely terrorist attack are afraid of a ***** conspiracy.
    • nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -6/+3Good business and making money aren't a conspiracy.
      Understand that, please.
  • zemkacz, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Seems interesting, but I hope that it won't flag me as a terrorist with like 10 cops or army people tackling me at once.
  • evilcaptain, on 04/25/2008, -3/+4Utterly pointless... :(
  • balazs, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2Good thing my passport isn't biometric then yet. I've got quite a few years until it expires. Then I'll also lose the nice blue colour and have to adopt the standard EU red. Shame.
    • wellyuk, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Hang about. You're from the UK? Or you live in the UK? Because if you're FROM the UK, there's no possible way you have a blue passport as those expired in 1988 and British passports are 10 year passports.
      • balazs, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1I live in the UK. I am not, or at least don't consider myself British. I have a Hungarian passport, which was blue, before the EU regulations for passports came in.
  • mamboboy, on 04/25/2008, -3/+1*expects to see a sudden popularity rise with muslim extremists getting plastic surgery*
    • masterm1nd, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Supposedly the technology is good enough where it's hard to trick it even with plastic surgery. According to some discovery channel thing a while back.
  • MattyLite, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2So what happens if you pork up and your face gets chubby, or if you lose a ton of weight and your face gets thin?
    • mike17032, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Or puff your cheeks out really far by holding your breath?

      I think the answer is that its checking bone structure, something that getting fat wont change.
    • quadvods, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4the location of your eyes and mouth don't move.
  • mgnesium, on 04/25/2008, -2/+5There are already people in place in the US and EU that check a passenger's face against their passport or other photo ID to ensure they are who they say they are. Computerized automation of this process, if used only to screen passengers and ease congestion as the article says, is not a means of controlling the population. Sure, the possibility exists of the technology being mishandled and used to identify pedestrians or something, but the number of false positives this would create is so mind-boggling as to be unenforceable with our current technology.

    One of the big complaints of air travelers is the time it takes to get through security and the invasion of privacy, yet now they object something that speeds their screening up and bypasses a human rifling through your passport? Flying is not a right, and you can always hire a private plane to take you where you want to go with no TSA (or any EU counterpart it may have) interference.
    • richard2, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Try to picture this system in action.

      It seems extremely unlikely that this system will be faster than facial recognition performed by a human, especially since all technology inevitably breaks.
      • ufia, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2I've stopped walking ever since I heard about the risk of breaking a leg. I move around in a wheelchair, and I blame the government for every physical injuries happening in this world.
    • queotic, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3"Flying is not a right, and you can always hire a private plane to take you where you want to go with no TSA (or any EU counterpart it may have) interference."
      Egads man, you're right! Why didn't I think of that? Oh wait...I can't afford a private plane to fly me around....

      But seriously - the difference between a person scanning your face and a face scan is that the person looking at your ID isn't storing your information in a government database. I'm sure no one thought social security numbers would be used for identify theft so many years later, but here we are. I feel uncomfortable as it is now, with cameras in every hallway at my job, cameras in the bus stations and on the trains, in the malls, outside the front of my apartment building...it's just creepy. It may seem small, but add up all the surveillance that has been done in the past few years and Big Brother seems like he's looming over us.
  • holmea, on 04/25/2008, -5/+5War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
    • holmea, on 04/26/2008, -3/+0bover'd, it's like so last century... conspiracies, big brother, it's all fail... digg me down please, it makes me feel like a pro
  • mike17032, on 04/25/2008, -6/+5Gotta love how the troofers keep their ravings to the comments now so its easier to game this ***** to the home page.

    Look4Troof and Dukeeeey are walking punch lines, just check out the first few comments.
  • JohnP, on 04/26/2008, -4/+3These stories attract two types of people. The EU & UK haters, who know nothing about the UK or EU and have never left their birth state. Then the "inside job" people, who despite having valid questions about things like WTC7 and the USAs inability to activate air defense, or sort through intelligence info, taint any of their sane arguments with stuff from bad sci-fi.

    False flag operations happen, our government probably DOES see us as peons, and we ARE spied on (the US more than most). The problem is that unless you sort fantasy from reality you just come across as a complete ***** tard, just like the people who deny historical governmental betrayal. Both groups are as bad as each other. One denies history, the other just makes it up.

    When youre into conspiracy and the 'fortean' every day is a slow news day. You can always tell who truly investigating this stuff, because they dont have random and far fetched ***** to spout every five minutes.
  • MrGlass952, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4DO NOT WANT
  • richard2, on 04/26/2008, -0/+6The government which is forcing these invasive and unregulated technologies upon us is the same government which provoked and, in many cases, indirectly created Islamic extremists.
  • MrESaulved, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Why is it that those people who vehemently, assiduously, maintain that Governmental Departments and Institutions are incapable of doing things counter to the public interest are so quick to affirm that there are secret and shadowy groups of people who are so imbedded in the general public that you actually need these draconian devices to catalog and index everyone and everything?

    Their absolute inability to allow for corruption in governmental affairs is supposedly what motivates them to accept infringement upon personal liberties many have fought and died for, for generations upon generations.

    Is this their position? I find it remarkable that the actual, historic and prosecuted cases of governmental personages corruption don't figure in to their positions.

  • Shiftgood, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3yeah uhh... what happens when you grow a beard?
  • tufftugg, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4 Revelations: The second beast forces all people—important and unimportant, rich and poor, free and slaves—to be marked on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that no one may buy or sell unless he has the mark, which is the beast's name or the number of its name.
  • queotic, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4I guess Michael Jackson won't be able to travel in the UK anymore.
  • 3leggedHorse, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1 What about cartoon head from ideal.
  • lhbaker, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1I wonder if there's some kind of hotornot algorithm behind this technology.
  • murlox, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Well, let's hope those ***** douchebags at TSA won't start copycatting this move anytime soon.
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