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FRONTLINE | "Bush's War" | Preview of Night 1 | PBS watch!

youtube.com — On the 5th anniversary of the Iraq invasion, FRONTLINE presents the definitive documentary analysis of "Bush's War" airing Monday, March 24, from 9 to 11:30 P.M. and Tuesday, March 25, 2008, from 9 to 11 P.M. ET on PBS

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  • zeromancer, on 03/22/2008, -13/+29traitor. think a few dollars is worth more than american lives? we feel the same way about you.
    • xGORDOx, on 03/22/2008, -14/+10If it is Bush's war, why then did Bill Clinton sign the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998?
      Let's live in reality for a moment... if that wasn't enacted, would we have been able to do what was done, post 9/11.
      Maybe, but not nearly so easily, and that "maybe" has to be balanced with a "maybe not".
      Clinton set it in motion in 1998, Bush followed through with it.
      Clinton and Bush, and Bush before them and Reagan before that and Carter before that and Ford before that and Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy, etc, etc, etc.
      But if we actually blame both parties, then we can't demonize just the one right?
      Can't blame the (D)'s, that doesn't fit the mantra, the propaganda, the talking points...yet they are just as responsible as the (R)'s.
      Blame ALL of government, not just the party you choose to oppose.
      • Jadey, on 03/22/2008, -4/+6I blame the people, not the government. The world was telling you it was wrong, but America was on a war mongering path and the people allowed themselves to be duped. You can't turn around now and say it was all this guy's fault. Each and every person who supported the invasion shares in the blame.
        • hojo05, on 03/22/2008, -2/+0I never supported this war and I was too young to even have a voice at the time of the war. I don't believe I am the reason for this war on Iraq, and I know a lot of people back then felt the same way. Most of the younger generation were not for this war, I can say that much. I don't see how you can blame the people of the US for something they didn't have much control over. It was mostly upper level government who had the say. I blame Dick Cheney more than Bush, though.
      • HaywoodGiablomi, on 03/22/2008, -3/+6If you read the actual law -- http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act -- you'll find it is limited to humanitarian, broadcasting, and arms supplies only. Also, and fairly important, are these excerpts:

        (2) MILITARY ASSISTANCE- (A) The President is authorized to direct the drawdown of defense articles from the stocks of the Department of Defense, defense services of the Department of Defense, and military education and training for such organizations.
        (B) The aggregate value (as defined in section 644(m) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961) of assistance provided under this paragraph may not exceed $97,000,000.

        Check it out...
    • KhanneaNL, on 03/22/2008, -4/+10The people of the world are with those Americans that favor justice and freedom. The world is watching very very closely. Wiill you elect more of the same atrocious dictatorial war machine or will the people of the US opt for a somewhat more civilized alternative. These are the choices that will make or break your reputation. Choose another bush and you can die for all we care.
  • stonklit, on 03/22/2008, -16/+58How is it that someone like JFK gets assassinated, but Bush survives the full 8 years?

    Well, I guess it's not over YET, but I don't think it would happen, as much as we'd all like to see it.
    • Ganja420, on 03/22/2008, -13/+9then go do it yourself
    • Maddoktor2, on 03/22/2008, -6/+30The answer is very simple, really: nobody wants Dick "So?" Cheney in the driver's seat.
      • stonklit, on 03/22/2008, -3/+7True. But still, even to make a point.
      • RansomHoldiay, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1yeah, right now he's in the passenger seat with the remote control leaving bush to play with a toy steering wheel.
    • 919kwjc, on 03/22/2008, -20/+10Enjoy your visit from the Secret Service. You're a jackass dude, really. You don't have to like the guy, but you're comments about killing him are way off side.
      • tehmacuser, on 03/22/2008, -5/+12You're not taking into consideration the people who have died, Americans and Iraqis, because one man misused his power to convince a nation of a great lie in order to attain power in a country that was admitted to be a quagmire long before we ever went in.
        (see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8MePwb6TEk )

        I'm not condoning stonkilt's words either, but your comments are the type of thinking that have prevented anyone from questioning him, for fear of the SS. (Ironic acronym, isn't it?)



        "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. "
        -Thomas Jefferson


        • 919kwjc, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1You're naive. Nobody has questioned him? Really? Are you sure that's the stand you want to take? In addition, I seem to recall the Democrats in congress falling over themselves to have not one, but two votes authorizing the president to invade Iraq.
      • stonklit, on 03/22/2008, -5/+9LOL

        Secret Service visits are a myth. Are you really that gullible?

        God, even if they DID, if they went after every person who made a comment like that on Bush... wow, you'd almost have to have an entire department in the govt dedicated to just that.

        Plus the last I checked, I'm still in the usa, so I'll say what I want :) If it's asking why JFK died and Bush didn't, so be it.
        • planksconstant, on 03/22/2008, -6/+5"I'm still in the usa, so I'll say what I want"

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... i wish. it hasn't worked that way in a very long time.
        • 919kwjc, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1Those visits are not a myth. You are naive. Regardless, say what you want.... and I'll continue to call you on your stupidity and misguided anger. Please, think before you type.
      • Wartyboskfapped, on 03/22/2008, -2/+6***** coward.
    • wbienek, on 03/22/2008, -7/+3Nod. Realistically, the man made a mistake.. Just that his mistakes are bigger than ones we have the ability to make.
    • mboudro, on 03/22/2008, -20/+3Even if you don't like him he still is the president...
    • xGORDOx, on 03/22/2008, -6/+6Because LBJ was one nut job of a VP.
      He had JFK, RFK and MLK assassinated... and people think Bush is bad?
      LBJ was a (D) by the way.
    • OC73, on 03/22/2008, -17/+5Ah, yes. Another supporter of "peace". Notice these same degenerates can never find enough despicable things to say about Bush, but have an endless supply of excuses for Saddam Hussein?

      Oh, but he wasn't a threat! Bush lied! He was secular! He provided free healthcare and education for Iraqis! Iraqi's had it better under Saddam!

      I seriously hope stonklit isn't an American citizen, because if he is, he should be dealt with accordingly for his threats.
      • Stevanoski, on 03/22/2008, -1/+2The Left defends dictators, any and all.
    • synthpop, on 03/22/2008, -2/+15you're looking at it backwards. JFK had to be assassinated so that a man like Bush could eventually become president.
    • borez, on 03/22/2008, -2/+17Because JFK was trying to cut back on the Military Industrial Complex and Bush wanted to expand it.

      Business is good under Bush ( For all the wrong reasons... in all the wrong areas )
    • roho76, on 03/22/2008, -8/+6JFK was assassinated ten days after he tried to get rid of the Federal Reserve and reinstate the Gold Standard, I'm sure that there is no coincidence.
    • ijacker, on 03/22/2008, -4/+1

      because Regan broke Tecumseh's Curse
    • CaDw635, on 03/22/2008, -0/+5There was an attempted assassination on GWB in Tbilisi in 2005.
      A man tried to kill him with a grenade, but somehow it didn't go off.
      • newworldorder33, on 03/23/2008, -1/+0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvfxvDwJxA&feature ... http://www.thedenverchannel.com/health/15665507/de ... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/03/10/pharma.water1 ... AMERICA IS DOOMED SEE WHY! THIS IS NOT A JOKE DO SOME RESEARCH ! the U.S.A is doomed see why! Current mood: excited Category: Life and now this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA and now i will take away your gun rights so you can’t fight and my new world order is to put something in your water so that all of the world will die slowly of disease,fammin, check the news and see that i have already started the debate on your second amendmendt to bare arms.and they have found the floride and other drugs in your water. and the global warming is to help and i will also lock up all the money in the world through your banking systems so that you cannot run or hide from the new world order. so i am giving the world 2 months to take out your money and all people of the world that has any bills that they pay i will attack them first . because you are helping my army to grow buy all the credit and the world economy will crash now check here is ware i did my first push see it here. http://article.wn.com/view/2008/03/20/Economist_Fe ... watch your weather , and the news for my army is now compleat and we are setting up for the attack so if you belive in your goverment they are all liers and they will help me as of today!
        • RansomHoldiay, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1haha i read ur user name and knew it was just some stupid NWO spam. take the tin foil off of your head.
    • purpmint008, on 03/22/2008, -5/+4JFK deserved to die for installing Sadaam's political party in Iraq which resulted in thousands of immediate deaths of intellectuals, etc. He also deserved to die for bombing South Vietnam and also using napalm. I could go on and on about his evil but these stories are the same with every single president. They're corporate tools put there to make you think you have a choice, YOU DON'T. The only time democracy ever works is after ***** of people get pissed off and march and protest. This generation has no clue about how to do that and will learn the hard way after it gets screwed over and over again.
      • JinnRikki, on 03/22/2008, -1/+3The Baath Party didn't come to power until 1968, 5 years after Kennedy's assassination. I know he was a great leader but to overthrow a government from the grave is a mighty feat even for him.
        • newworldorder33, on 03/23/2008, -0/+0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvfxvDwJxA&feature ... http://www.thedenverchannel.com/health/15665507/de ... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/03/10/pharma.water1 ... AMERICA IS DOOMED SEE WHY! THIS IS NOT A JOKE DO SOME RESEARCH ! the U.S.A is doomed see why! Current mood: excited Category: Life and now this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA and now i will take away your gun rights so you can’t fight and my new world order is to put something in your water so that all of the world will die slowly of disease,fammin, check the news and see that i have already started the debate on your second amendmendt to bare arms.and they have found the floride and other drugs in your water. and the global warming is to help and i will also lock up all the money in the world through your banking systems so that you cannot run or hide from the new world order. so i am giving the world 2 months to take out your money and all people of the world that has any bills that they pay i will attack them first . because you are helping my army to grow buy all the credit and the world economy will crash now check here is ware i did my first push see it here. http://article.wn.com/view/2008/03/20/Economist_Fe ... watch your weather , and the news for my army is now compleat and we are setting up for the attack so if you belive in your goverment they are all liers and they will help me as of today!
      • purpmint008, on 03/22/2008, -0/+2In 1963, the Kennedy administration backed a coup against the government of Iraq headed by General Abdel Karim Kassem, who five years earlier had deposed the Western-allied Iraqi monarchy. The CIA helped the new Baath Party government led by Abdul Salam Arif in ridding the country of suspected leftists and Communists. In a Baathist bloodbath, the government used lists of suspected Communists and other leftists provided by the CIA, to systematically murder untold numbers of Iraq's educated elite — killings in which Saddam Hussein himself is said to have participated. The victims included hundreds of doctors, teachers, technicians, lawyers and other professionals as well as military and political figures. According to an op-ed in the New York Times, the U.S. sent arms to the new regime, weapons later used against the same Kurdish insurgents the U.S. supported against Kassem and then abandoned. American and UK oil and other interests, including Mobil, Bechtel and British Petroleum, were conducting business in Iraq. Our CIA armed a 6-man terrorist team that included Saddam.
      • JBmtk, on 03/22/2008, -0/+1I totally agree, people think they have a choice, but just look at all the people ahead of you that make a decision. Look at the supreme court...........exactly.
    • ufia, on 03/22/2008, -7/+4JFK never was assassinated. In reality his head imploded from excessive awesomeness. Remember kids, this could happen to you too if you become too cool to be president.
    • ThrstForKnwldge, on 03/22/2008, -1/+10Because Bush never tried to take power away from the Federal Reserve like JFK did.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
      Order signed June 4, 1963
      JFK killed November 22, 1963
    • NecroSexy, on 03/22/2008, -1/+3Because Cheney is the vice president.
  • DearSergio, on 03/22/2008, -4/+11"Is blood money just money to you?"
  • JFenC, on 03/22/2008, -38/+1JESUS RETURNS…This Easter, it’s religion that’s getting Crucified http://digg.com/comics_animation/JESUS_RETURNShThi ...
  • moebis, on 03/22/2008, -7/+39This is going to be good. Love PBS. I'll watch it online.
    • maliath, on 03/22/2008, -1/+5Werd to that. Frontline is one of the very few REAL news sources that actually investigate, clarify, and present in a clear and concise manner.
      • gregsamsa222, on 03/22/2008, -0/+4Frontline's been sane and honest thru this whole Iraq *****. Everything they've done has been eye-opening to me... The most amazing was the piece they did some time back on the mercenaries and hired-hands in Iraq.
    • mstic2000, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1I'm really thankful to Frontline for doing such a comprehensive investigation on this. It's no longer coming from the conspiracy theorists anymore. We are under the control of a very dangerous administration in the White House driven by corporate America. It's going to be very interesting to see how the presidential election is going to unfold for the American people. I think Americans are in for some real big surprises in this election and will leave us all scratching our heads wondering what happened.
  • mrzack, on 03/22/2008, -6/+38Don't matter if you aren't in debt. This ***** American country we live in now owes 9 Trillions dollars. Who's gonna pay for it? Just becuz you're not in debt, doesn't mean you won't have to pay. We all pay. No on is innocent.
    • SmokinOkie, on 03/22/2008, -19/+3Then ***** go somewhere else *****.
      • mrzack, on 03/22/2008, -2/+10Maybe I will. I'll go get rich in China, instead of staying here and be a tax paying mindless consumer slave. I'll show you.
    • dysonlu, on 03/24/2008, -1/+2and given how much american dollars countries like China have in reserve, they'll soon have got the USA by the balls.
    • mstic2000, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1America will be overtaken and democracy thrown out and not one shot will need to be fired. It has something to do with "the new world order?"
  • 919kwjc, on 03/22/2008, -42/+8You stupid libs need to get a clue.
    • robotbling, on 03/22/2008, -7/+23please, oh high and mighty fascist, explain with backwards logic why the libs are wrong
      • bonhoeffer, on 03/22/2008, -7/+1The civilized world will not let barbarians like Hussein stockpile CBN weapons, bully regional nations, and threaten SWA oil production.
        Taking out the Hussein regime was reasonable, necessary, and just.
        • CheLives, on 03/22/2008, -1/+5I can't believe people like you actually exist and fall for the crap that Bush and Cheney send our way. Please, for the sake of civilization, read a BOOK... or better yet, jump off a cliff you lemming!
    • KhanneaNL, on 03/22/2008, -7/+10I am not a liberal. I am a european. And I hate what you stand for with every fiber of my being. I want you DEAD or in PRISON.
    • CheLives, on 03/22/2008, -4/+17please, clue us in as to your almighty wisdom... you might be too busy, however, blindly following Bush and the lies he spews as fact... get a grip, get a life, and get a mind of your own.
    • bsmang, on 03/22/2008, -3/+13I got into a discussion with another apparent neocon about this recently.. Apparently (according to them) the Iraq war is good because it transfers much of the nation's wealth to just a few families, which will in turn make those few families so rich and powerful that the rest of the world will have to bow to them... Which the neocon then equates to having the world bow to the U.S.
      • zaknick, on 03/22/2008, -2/+6except we'll be forced to bow to them as well like we've been doing under the retarded republicans who bow and scrape in private before these same groups of very powerful men then start spewing religion and fanning hatreds
      • barkus, on 03/23/2008, -0/+2I've never heard that one before, but that is a twisted way of thinking. And completely stupid.
    • 919kwjc, on 03/23/2008, -4/+1Oh please, spare me your uninformed, left wing wacko rhetoric. Stop parroting Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and all those other cry baby liberal kooks. Grow up, move out of your parents basement, pay taxes, and get on with your life people. Your left wing craziness is dumbfounding.
  • xienze, on 03/22/2008, -23/+7Well, at least that clip confirms that PBS doesn't have a liberal bias! For a minute there I was worried.
    • Fogdelune, on 03/22/2008, -4/+17Reality has a well known liberal bias.
    • licnyc, on 03/22/2008, -2/+6You should watch the rest of the ones they have online, they are not liberal bias, they are actually very accurate.
    • roho76, on 03/22/2008, -2/+7Shut your mouth and join the Military if you think there is nothing wrong with this administration. If not then just shut your mouth.
      If you leave your number than I will tell my local recruiting office to give you a call.
  • RHandler, on 03/22/2008, -6/+19"from 9 to 11 P.M. ET"
    irony
  • LukasSmith, on 03/22/2008, -37/+7Just another liberal propaganda film. And the Democrats complain they don't get enough time to spew their crap on public tv. HA.
    • TimDigg, on 03/22/2008, -4/+15How are going to pay back the debt Bush got us into...simple question
    • KhanneaNL, on 03/22/2008, -5/+8I see civil war in the US. The segment of the population with fascist sentiments will never consent to the country being led by a black men with humanitarian, just principles. This country is destined for a bosnia-style blood bath, and an USSR style collapse.
      • TimDigg, on 03/22/2008, -2/+4I am voting for Obama, but what's scary about the Fascist sect of our country, .....they will never even admit they are fascist....instead, they tell you...you're communist or socialist...

    • eddy23170, on 03/22/2008, -2/+4lukas...you scare me. please tell me before you go shoot up a shopping mall.
    • eddy23170, on 03/22/2008, -2/+3Lukas has a whopping 2 friends after 1,300 posts. Hmm....make your own conclusions. Growing up in a broken home musta have sucked Lukas, but please dont take your anger out on the rest of the world...mkay?
    • LukasSmith, on 03/22/2008, -3/+4Eddy you seem to almost pleasure yourself with the idea that I must fit the profile of a psychopath merely because I disagree with liberal propaganda. How disturbing that you view opposing opinion to be grounds for considering me dangerous. You might be the next Hitler. He thought jews were dangerous. You plan to round me up and put me in a concentration camp? Also you seem to find it interesting I have only 2 friends on my list. First off that you find having as many internet "friends" as possible is good disturbs me more then your mall comment. You might be equally disturbed that I have tons of fans, but rarely bother giving them "friend" status. I unlike you do not revel in imaginary relationships with people I will probably never meet.
      • eddy23170, on 03/22/2008, -2/+2way to put words in my mouth.....
      • eddy23170, on 03/22/2008, -2/+2another thing you silly kid...i took the time to read some of your posts....painful....my guess is you read none of mine....24 going in 11.....sorry you had no father figure. It shows..
      • eddy23170, on 03/22/2008, -2/+2hot damn you pissed me off. Lukas, you are an arrogant prick!! You are pedantic and pompous....you sound ridiculous in your posts, stick those words in your limited brain, numbnuts....PLEASE do us all a favor and stop logging in...
    • gypsi, on 03/22/2008, -2/+3liberal propaganda? i don't think you know what those words even mean
    • mstic2000, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1It never fails to amaze me how people can equate the TRUTH with liberal propaganda!
  • Chazx, on 03/22/2008, -20/+8Seeing this kind of stuff on the internet reminds me of what a great country the United Kingdom is, where we practice sensible policy such as regulating television to make it free of political bias.
    • defwheezer, on 03/22/2008, -3/+8You better explain "regulating television"- the concept is well beyond most Americans.
    • isaaccs, on 03/22/2008, -4/+9All hail the UK.

      In all honesty, the BBC does present a fairly well balanced array of journalism, one which I personally have great admiration for. Frankly its perspective is quite similar to that of PBS in the US. Both are heavily slanted towards liberal/European social values, but unfortunately that does not represent the respective views of many individuals in the world.

      No journalism is unbiased, end of story.

      Your comment is naive. Did you read what you said, or perhaps you are being facetious? The implication that regulation can assure unbiased news is not only counterintuitive but downright silly. Look at a sampling of countries in the world, and you'll find a direct correlation between the amount of regulation and the amount of "propaganda" presented as journalism in said country.
      I sincerely doubt "regulators" in China or Russia would say that they're biased, now would they? Fair and balanced all the way, darling.

      The second you think the news your seeing or reading is somehow less biased than that which anyone else is reading is the moment YOU'VE BEEN HAD.
      • Chazx, on 03/22/2008, -3/+3You're an idiot. I didn't even mention the BBC. I didn't imply regulation completely assures unbiased news, but it helps - a lot. So the Chinese and Russian governments regulate for their benefit, that doesn't mean regulation has to be avoided like the plague. Over here we don't have a chronic fear of turning into soviets or communists.
        • isaaccs, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1I didn't say that you were referring to the BBC. But just a tip, the BBC is what most of the world thinks of when British journalism is discussed internationally. And that shouldn't be an insult.
    • licnyc, on 03/22/2008, -4/+5Thats total crap. How many of the frontline videos have you watched. They are not liberal biased. They are actually a lot less biased then the BBC. Get your facts straight.
      • Chazx, on 03/22/2008, -2/+1You're naive. I say "british television" and you think I'm talking about the BBC.
    • zaknick, on 03/22/2008, -3/+2the BBC was castrated in the wake of the Iraq war invasion, how could.d anybody have forgotten so soon ?

      it's no longer objective but a willing cohort of the fascist here in America and their lapdogs in England
      • Chazx, on 03/22/2008, -2/+1You're naive. I say "british television" and you think I'm talking about the BBC.
        • isaaccs, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1Like it or not, that's how most of the world perceives UK television and radio journalism, because none of your brilliant other unbiased and unregulated news stories seem to make it off the island, wonder why. Having lived in Europe for two decades and the US for one, I have seen plenty of reporting from both sides. And to reiterate my point, which has nothing to do with the BBC or whether or not that is what you were referring to:
          There is no such thing as unbiased television. And if you think because it's regulated to be, or believe it to be unbiased for any reason what-so-ever, you're simply wrong. You can scream that I'm an idiot all you want, but this has nothing to do with me.
    • roho76, on 03/22/2008, -4/+2I personally would love to have every move I make recorded on video. Something about it is just so comforting and peaceful. Is that the UK that you are talking about? Also you guys have no political bias on your TV which keeps you from getting involved in wars like the "War on Terror". Is this also the UK you are talking about? You guys also didn't try to invade Iraq a long time ago, so that's good. I think I just might look into moving to the UK. one question though: do you think they would be willing to put cameras in my home so that I can confirm that I'm not a suspect for Terrorism. You know just for my own records, and the Governments.
      • Chazx, on 03/22/2008, -1/+2CCTV is a completely different issue, and I find it hard to believe you are in any way accurately informed about the actual situation over here.

        You're wrong to assert that because our TV is regulated the policies of our government are not questioned. Have you seen the grilling our politicians and prime ministers get on programmes such as the BBCs 'Question Time'? Go and find some of it on youtube and ask yourself how badly George Bush or any of the people at the top in America would get torn to shreds on a programme like that.
        • isaaccs, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1I thought you're weren't talking about the BBC? As much as it pains me to say, you are right that most mainstream American news doesn't question leaders strongly enough, as strongly as Question Time. But one program that does question government in the US is Frontline and PBS in general, so I'm having a little difficult understanding exactly what it is you are getting at on these boards.
    • bonhoeffer, on 03/22/2008, -1/+1Orwellian speech at its best! The government regulates news to make sure you get only what you need without political bias.
      In America we have what we call the marketplace of ideas. Many viewpoints help point out errors.
      • Chazx, on 03/22/2008, -2/+1Another person that doesn't know what they're talking about. The government doesn't perform the regulation, an independent body does.
        • isaaccs, on 03/23/2008, -0/+2Right, a Government appointed brain trust decides. While a free market in my experience generates fear-mongering crap-for-brains news (witness FOX in the US), bonhoeffer is completely right in that it is through looking at a variety of stories and perspectives that we can hope to glean a shred of reality into a given situation. And some news is better than others, Frontline, while liberal, is smart and insightful, thorough, and promotes reflection on the issues it reports on. That's about as good as you'll get.
    • mstic2000, on 03/25/2008, -0/+0Seems to me the BBC paints a very bleak picture of how the UK is being taken over by Islam. Don't look good for you chaps there across the pond.
  • xGORDOx, on 03/22/2008, -18/+9If it is Bush's war, why then did Bill Clinton sign the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998?
    That signature set forward all of these events.
    If you looking to point blame, lose the political affiliation and just blame ALL of government.

    Problem with Digg is, if you lose the political affiliation, you can't demonize the (R)'s while praising the (D)'s.
    Partisan hacks who make the blame game more important than what really is going on.
    It's no more Bush's war than it is Bill & Hillary's.
    • OC73, on 03/22/2008, -4/+4Don't bother arguing with them. It's Bush's war. He gladly accepts it, so there's no reason to give Democrats any credit for something they only paid lip service to all those years.
    • roho76, on 03/22/2008, -1/+6Considering that Hitlery voted for it.
    • licnyc, on 03/22/2008, -5/+6Ah - the romper room defense. But but but clinton.
      • xGORDOx, on 03/22/2008, -3/+2It's not "but but but Clinton", it's "don't forget Clinton" or "also Clinton".
        Like I said though, partisan Digg hacks don't really care, they only care about demonizing a particular party.
        • gypsi, on 03/22/2008, -3/+2but but but partisan digg noobs sputter sputter
        • licnyc, on 03/23/2008, -3/+1Thats completely BS, I'll spell it out for you- If clinton was such a bad leader its not OK for bush to be a bad leader too. And just like you may have to explain to a 2 year old, it doesn't work that way. Two wrongs don't make a right. Incompetence is incompetence and you are the one making stupid excuses. I am not the one drawing party lines, but clearly you are. I am more concerned about the 3,900 dead soldiers, the millions of displaced iraqis, the bad economy, the disregard to the constitution and the string of just horribly bad decisions that affect all of us.
    • heresy_fnord, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1Got to love the faithful Neo-con Republican. Always, no ALWAYS blame Clinton for everything. When you can't, blame any Democrat that you can. The President or anyone you like is never, ever wrong and is in fact perfect.
    • claytorris, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 did not allow for a full-on invasion of Iraq, nor was the Clinton administration interested in one. It was designed to support an overthrow of Saddam, not for a direct military invasion and overthrow. If you want to blame Hillary Clinton and most of Congress for giving away their power in 2002 that is fine, but trying to say it is as much Bill Clinton's war as Bush's makes you look like the partisan hack. Neo-Conservatives were pushing for this war for years, but HW Bush and Clinton saw a milatary invasion and occupation of Iraq for what it was; a dumb ***** idea.
  • skews13, on 03/22/2008, -5/+16the anti pbs nutjobs are going to march on washington with their pitchforks on this one.
    • 007brendan, on 03/22/2008, -1/+2who's anti-pbs?
    • gregsamsa222, on 03/22/2008, -1/+1They've not marched over 'Bush's Brain' or the Frontline episode about Cheney's Dark Side. Anti-PBS nutjobs don't actually WATCH PBS, so they have no clue what a service it is to the nation.
  • OC73, on 03/22/2008, -15/+4Darn right it's Bush's war. Democrats have no business ever taking credit for it given all they've done to undermine it.
    • bsmang, on 03/22/2008, -3/+12Lol, only a complete moron would want to take credit.
      • OC73, on 03/22/2008, -8/+2Hey, do you have cable TV in that bubble?
        • JStraum, on 03/22/2008, -0/+5....wouldn't that happen to be the source of your trouble?
  • CheLives, on 03/22/2008, -6/+49FRONTLINE is one of the last true news outlets that isn't afraid to speak truth to power. Every American should watch their programs for REAL, unapologetic journalism.
    • ufia, on 03/22/2008, -2/+9I agree. Though, Frontline is equivalent to our normal daily prime time news in the rest of the free world. Our unapologetic journalism would shock most Americans in disbelieve, and probably spark a civil war or something. We perceive news channels from the USA as very cartoonish and not incredibly informative.
      • twiztedambience, on 03/31/2008, -0/+1we also have the washington post and a couple other good daily papers while the brits have tabloids... so there's good and bad everywhere if you look for it
    • ScienceDoc, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4Bill Moyers Journal and Now are the only other programs with real news.
  • fancypantscz, on 03/22/2008, -3/+16As much as some would like to think this is all about partisan hackery the fact remains that we would all benefit if we held the Bush administration to account for its gross incompetence following 9/11. No president, democrat or republican, should be able to use the fear of terror attacks to abuse the war powers of the executive branch and usurp liberties from the citizens that are protected in the constitution. I am under no illusion that a democratic president would have done any better than Bush. Nor do I think any Democrat will do any better than Bush in this regard not Obama, not Hillory. But that is all the more reason to hold the Bush administration to account for its illegal war on terror. 9/11 was not an act of war and it certainly did not justify attacking Iraq. If we do not hold Bush responsible for misusing public sentiment following 9/11 we write a blank check for the use of public manipulation to the next president and hand it to them with no strings attached after they take the oath of office.
  • Jimgress, on 03/22/2008, -6/+52I love how people are all like "stupid libs" when pbs is cited consistently as the most reliable news source in the country.

    I guess reality has a liberal bias.
    • 007brendan, on 03/22/2008, -2/+9Come on, let's be honest, PBS really IS the most reliable news source in the country, in the world even. They're equally critical of all presidents, equally critical of everything in all their stories. They're not tied to any corporate interests. Many news corporations actually do very little Reporting Work, they basically just repeat official "Press Releases". And then they have a few anchors throw in their two cents, but their opinions are always full of "I feel", and "I think" with no actual facts to back up their opinions. PBS specials, like this one, of which there are usually several a year (you never see this type of in-depth reporting on other networks), basically present the bare facts, along with interviews of relevant people. If they make a connection between two things or events, they always come out and say it, with supporting evidence, instead of using the ploy that most networks use where they simply flash "Did [Insert Name Here] Do [Insert Bad Thing Here]?", posing it as a question because the really don't have any evidence to back it up.

      Get Real.
      • gentk, on 03/23/2008, -0/+2And how are you disagreeing with Jimgress exactly?
    • ScienceDoc, on 03/23/2008, -1/+2The Rush Douchebots are so brainwashed they cannot believe the truth. They are good fascist sheeple.
  • KhanneaNL, on 03/22/2008, -10/+22When in ***** name are you americans gonna hold Bush accountable and just go ahead and ***** HANG HIM ?
    • merm, on 03/22/2008, -3/+9Don't you get it? The Democrats won't do anything about it because they are about to inherit the most powerful executive office in the history of the world - what with all the new powers Bush has created for them. Impeachment could jeopardize that. Politics is about power, not justice. Sadly.
    • Oysterville, on 03/22/2008, -8/+5After he leaves office. Too afraid of him canceling the election (he can do that) and declaring martial law.
      • Stevanoski, on 03/22/2008, -3/+5Please adjust your tin foil hat, those harmful government rays are leaking in.
      • RansomHoldiay, on 03/23/2008, -1/+2he can only declare martial law with support of the military fool.
    • gregsamsa222, on 03/22/2008, -2/+1Hang him? I'd settle for a good sound censuring. At this point, I'd be happy if someone--ANYone--in power just said, 'Holy crap, sorry about all this.'
      Hanging's too good for him anyway. He should be forced to live in the world he created.
    • 919kwjc, on 03/23/2008, -1/+2This is the kind of left wing craziness I'm talking about. Listen to what you just said. You're so blinded by ignorance and media created drama that you are flippantly advocating the assassination of the President of the United States. How much of a total dumb ass are you?
      • RansomHoldiay, on 03/23/2008, -1/+2...you need only look in the mirror....

        -V.
      • Fascinating, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0Well, he wasn't talking about assassination. Rather hanging by court of law. They still do that in Texxxxas no? Well certainly in Iraq...you do realize Sadam was hung right?
  • farrellj, on 03/22/2008, -4/+29A number of documentaries on CBC have shown that the Neo-Cons were planning on going into Iraq as far back as the beginning of Clinton's second term. They wrote a letter to Clinton asking him to attack Iraq. The people who signed it? Rumsfeld, Chaney, Wolfowitz, etc.... All they needed was another "Pearl Harbour" event to justify going in they wrote. Clinton rejected it...but Bush was elected, and we all know who filled his cabinet...the very same people.

    Years before Sept 11, 2001, Bush & Co were planning on invading Iraq...and to think, in all that time, they didn't make any contingency plans about how to fight an insurgency, or get out if things went bad. So even if you agree with going in and ousting Saddam, you should be angry that they didn't do a better job of planning. I think the average war gamer would have done a better job with 4+ years of planning!

    ttyl
    • Oysterville, on 03/22/2008, -2/+10Longer wars make more money for government contractors contracted to provide services for the aforementioned war.
  • bsmang, on 03/22/2008, -3/+13Bush's war indeed. If only we could send him to fight there and show us first hand how great and important the benefits of the war are to him.
  • deitiphobia, on 03/22/2008, -3/+13Frontline is an amazing and well respected show for it's hard hitting, honest journalism. I will look forward to watching this.
    I would also recommend Bob Woodwards books Bush at War, Plan of Attack & State of Denial. For those of you to young to know who Bob Woodward is...he is the journalist that unearthed the Watergate scandal that eventually led to President Nixon's resignation. He is a well respected journalist and his books covering the War are in depth and include interviews with over 200 administration officials including all the major players, Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Cheney and tons of other people. Fascinating read and the books are available in audio books as well.
    • gypsi, on 03/22/2008, -2/+2people who call frontline "leftist propoganda" need to have their heads examined. it doesn't get any better than frontline
  • koenkai, on 03/22/2008, -2/+22Bush certainly has PBS in his gun sights: http://mediamatters.org/columns/200803180001

    From the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et ...

    Then again, there's this bit of news: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/47834/
    You have to love the irony of asking for cuts in the PBS budget, while at the same time increasing funding in propaganda budgets...

    In any case, a 56% budget cut in Federal contributions to CPB is significant--although only a portion of CPB's total budget, of course you also have to take in mind that the administration would like to end all funding of CPB by not providing any govt. contribs to CPB in 2011.
  • jockser, on 03/22/2008, -8/+2BUSH 2004 FTW !!!1!!
  • hutectro, on 03/22/2008, -2/+10I will be watching Brush's War this will be good. I can't stand this man what he put the U.S. though when he invaded IRAQ. This man should stand trial for War Crimes.
  • roho76, on 03/22/2008, -3/+21I find it amazing how people still defend this guy.
    • leaknoil, on 03/23/2008, -0/+2If you've seen the recent poll numbers not many actually do. The question isn't if it was right or wrong anymore. It is how to fix it. The vast majority of US citizens now understand it was a mistake and mishandled from the start.

      Nobody really cares much for Bush anymore or his war. The economy has taken over the news. Even Republicans are ready for Bush to ride off into the sunset. His war is the worst thing that has happened to the republican party. From a clear majority to trying to hang on to any relevance. Its pretty clear they will lose seats in the next election. Even if Hillary and Obama manage to implode it wont change that.

  • undy242, on 03/22/2008, -2/+12PBS puts out some great docs and this should be no different. I'm looking forward to it.
  • Derter, on 03/22/2008, -1/+9Frontline is a good program with some quality documentary, i'll watch this online for sure (the site doesn't block canadian isp so thats an important plus for the show)
  • wwilton, on 03/22/2008, -1/+5Please, someone make it available in a torrent when after it goes on air. I am not in USA but I want to see the program and I think the whole world has to watch it.
    • nirav72, on 03/22/2008, -2/+3you can watch it on PBS's website or search for it on the torrent sites www.mvgroup.org. I don't think PBS cares if its downloaded.
    • byrdgang, on 03/22/2008, -2/+3Just go to Frontline's website (google pbs frontline), and you can watch almost all episodes online.

      That's the great thing about programming that is not ad-driven...they usually don't care (unless it's HBO or something).
    • ragingradish, on 03/22/2008, -0/+4Watch current and past episodes: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/
      Some require that you be a US resident and deny based on IP. In that case, use a US proxy: http://www.nntime.com/
  • dofe, on 03/22/2008, -2/+8Frontline also did a great doc on the influence Cheney had over the adminstration's executive power grab during the wake of 9/11: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/vie ...
    • dofe, on 03/22/2008, -2/+3Oops:
      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/vie ...
    • parabolicaer, on 03/22/2008, -2/+1Great documentary. Someone submitted this to digg a while ago but it didn't quite make it to the top.
      I think it's a real condemnation of an administration when two of its top lawyers and the head of the FBI threaten to quit over the president's stance. And let's not forget that Ashcroft and Goldsmith were card-carrying conservatives themselves.
  • Ruger11mcrdpi, on 03/22/2008, -2/+3This should be good. Does anyone ever wonder, in 20+ years what the history books will say about all this? I mean there is potential for this to go many different ways, obviously, but in the end, I think the biggest impact this will have on our country, on our way of life will not be Iraq itself, it will not be the lives lost, or security "gained" etc, I feel it will be the financial cost, and how that ripples foward for the next 10+ years. Even if we do pay off our debt in 20 years, the cost of doing so to our infastructure, our healthcare, foreign aid programs, veteran's care, etc will be immeasurable.
  • Evolutuon, on 03/22/2008, -3/+13Truth. Thats what you get when a non-profit organization presents you information.
  • AndrewMB, on 03/22/2008, -8/+2Geez, all these Bush haters are just as bad as Bush.
    • Chaoticfist, on 03/22/2008, -1/+3There are reasons for hating bush. Its called two pointless wars and thousands of dead young men and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis
    • brsmnky007, on 03/22/2008, -1/+3All "Bush haters" who are responsible for killing thousands, please raise your hand at this time...

      Didn't think so.
    • subcomandante, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1I didn't kill 4k(and counting) Americans and countless Iraqis.
  • regeya, on 03/22/2008, -1/+6Looking forward to this one. There will always be 'tards who defend the war, and I'll acknowledge that Saddam was a very bad man, but he wasn't worth 2/3 our GDP (so far) and several times the civilian casualties of 9/11.
    I was listening to NPR Fresh Air, who had an NBC investigative journalist on (hawking his book on the subject, of course) that the NeoCon notion of invading Iraq was largely the work of one Iraqi man, one cult of personality who's still working in Iraq on the rebuilding.
    I hope recent reports that the U.S. is slowly but surely pulling out are true, because I can't think the foreign investors who put up with us now will put up with us much longer, at least not without verifiable progress being made...
  • NowakFilip, on 03/22/2008, -7/+0Watch Free Movies Online - http://moviesforum.co.cc/
  • zmedico, on 03/22/2008, -1/+4As is often the case in war, hate and racism are exploited as powerful tools.

    Winter Soldier Mike Prysner testimony, Pt1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i5ZUfpxnV0

    Examples of U.S. Soldiers Disrespecting Iraqi Children
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XFwDfQeCMc
  • aserer511, on 03/22/2008, -3/+1if some of those sound bytes are true...wow....
  • Nextrix, on 03/22/2008, -1/+4"Puppet Boy's War". He may be hiding how smart he really is, but he is not the one in control.
  • Stevanoski, on 03/22/2008, -9/+2Ah PBS, the very essence of fairness /sarc
    • gypsi, on 03/22/2008, -2/+7your credibility -> zero
      • Stevanoski, on 03/23/2008, -5/+2Ah, my little troll gyps, as to your post, I will consider the post while acknowledging the poster may have some high degree of expertise on having zero credibility.
  • amightywind, on 03/22/2008, -10/+5I don't care if PBS wants to make a biased, misleading, negative documentary about the Iraq war. The secular liberals that run it hate America. But why do I have to fund dishonest leeches like Bill Moyer's and his ilk with my taxes?
    • gypsi, on 03/22/2008, -6/+3you've got to be kidding me...HAHAHA
    • the999, on 03/23/2008, -1/+5I dont even know where to begin here. You're ignorance is simply astonishing.
      • amightywind, on 03/23/2008, -3/+1Is that true, or do you not have a coherent reply? That is my guess.
    • armorypark, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1Let's see -"biased. misleading, negative, secular liberals, dishonest leeches, America haters". All this vitriol and you haven't even WATCHED the program! Like all ideologues, when confronted with irrefutable facts you can only respond with childish name-calling. Give me one example of Bill Moyers being "dishonest". Watch the Frontline program and THEN try (sans name-calling) to refute the facts presented. Sorry for being so wordy - The comment by "the990" is actually far more succinct and coherent than anything I've written. (Oh, and it appears that your question "Is that true?" is in reference to his statement "You're ignorance is simply astonishing".) Here's the answer: Yes. That is most certainly true.
  • thurows, on 03/22/2008, -0/+7There goes PBS's government funding.
  • iAlex, on 03/22/2008, -3/+2People who think George W. Bush was the only one who decided to start the Iraq War is stupid. He decides little. He has advisors and establishment people who decided to do this. Perhaps a move by NATO. It is also United Kingdom's and Tony Blair's war. Not just America's. It is said that Tony Blair influenced a lot. The elite likes George W. Bush to take all the blame for this, because they hate accountability. They must always have some person people can turn their anger against.
  • drencromRX, on 03/22/2008, -5/+1I think some of you people have the wrong idea about this documentary. Some on this board seem to think this film will condemn George W. Bush for so called atrocities to human kind, and will reveal truths that should justify the president's punishment (or death as some have even stated). FRONTLINE will is a factual based documentary, this is no Michael Moore agenda based movie. It will simply show the president's struggle with important decisions every president has to make. Powell and the CIA urged caution, while the Vice President and Defense Secretary suggested we take advantage of the overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan. With tension rising in Iran over development of nukes, It made sense to surround the country on both sides (2 fronts) by invading Iraq. With the proven atrocities of Saddam Hussein, suspicion of WMD's, multiple UN resolutions defied, corrupt oil for food program, not to mention, an attempted assassination of a U.S. President. The President decided it was in the best interest of the country to side with Cheney and take out Saddam. Like in all conflicts there were mistakes made, WMD's, Rumsfield's troop levels, the lack of anticipation for the insurgency, our precious blood and treasure. The good news is that the end of the story will reveal a comeback, for Petreaus and the courageous U.S. Military and its allies, The New Free Iraq and Afghanistan, A fearful Iranian government, and, in time, a redeemed President Bush.
    • Fascinating, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0Have some more delusion with your milk and cookies now....
  • FearLess77, on 03/23/2008, -0/+5Frontline is an awesome show.

    If it weren't for frontline, nova, and ninja warrior, I would have no need for cable.
    • breached, on 03/23/2008, -0/+1I don't have cable and watch PBS free with an over the air HDTV antenna and it rules. I saw Ninja Warrior recently while staying in a hotel and not quite sure I would pay the $30-50 a month for cable for that show, although it was fun.
  • bcerge, on 03/23/2008, -1/+2@mrzack

    You don't really understand how the money system works, if there was no debt, money would have no value, after all money is no longer represented by a value of a precious metal, but debt.
    • andreegal, on 03/26/2008, -0/+0yeah this is true, but it doesn't mean that you can borrow unlimited amounts...sometimes so much that dollars have to be printed, then you have inflation and devaluation of the dollar etc etc...plus if you wanna be radical about it.....This money system will always keep us working for the money since its a system of debt.
  • master94, on 03/23/2008, -1/+2I saw a screening of the first part of Bush's War and it is really good. It is a fair reporting of what happened. If you don't think it is, then watch. They interview Bush Administration officials who proudly say what they believe - that a president has almost absolute power during war time, etc. But what you really get out of the first part is that the Bush administration at its highest levels had a locker room mentality. There were a bunch of guys swinging around their egos, demeaning those that didn't agree with them and trying to exert their superiority. And what comes through true is that Bush got dominated by Cheney and Rumsfeld - two older and more experienced men. In a way, I feel sad for Mr. Bush. He was over his head when he got elected and the men around him only took advantage. It was only until Bush realized what a mess they had made that he decided to take charge and by then it was too late. His presidency had been destroyed and his legacy tarnished forever.
  • kd1s, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3You mean to tell me just NOW they're figuring out the core of the war? Jesus, I knew what it was five years ago. It's for the strategic control of petroleum resources. Why the hell else would the administration be rattling sabers against Iran next.
  • StandUpOrlando, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3Watch the vote for immunity for the TelComs, because if THEY broke the law then BUSH broke the law. If Congress blocks its passing, or stalls it for the next 10 months, Bush will be out of office and not able to squash any lawsuits. If Bush broke the law, he unlike the Telcoms, could go to jail. This could be the plan and it would make sense as to why the Dems didn't grow a pair and stand up to this "President" when they took power.
  • P5ycHo, on 03/23/2008, -0/+2I hope this gets on PBS's iTunes list ....
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