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- nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -18/+63Labels for the superstitious?
- Calypsoaf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43Label :"Souls not included" ?
- middleman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35Now only if they could clone in some A1 steak sauce and save me that extra step.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31OOOOOOooom.
*daddy, that one sounds funny. - wzrds3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26What's the big deal? Bananas are cloned and nobody cares...
- vbgtaylor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24clones can be organic, it is not how the animal is made, it is what it is fed, and organic means living- these cows or whatever are not robots
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i hate to be mean, but identical twins are clones, of each other, and they develop their own personalities - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27"Indistinguishable" from regular cows? fine.
"Virtually indistinguishable"? uh...wha? - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Something may be wrong with the overall organism, but the meat is the same as other meat.
The only question I have it why clone? Isn't is easier to breed? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+31From the article:
"Ben & Jerry's, for one, wants consumers to know that its ice cream comes from regular cows and not clones. The Ben & Jerry's label already says its farmers don't use bovine growth hormone.
"We want to make sure people are confident with what's in our pints," company spokesman Rob Michalak said. "We haven't yet landed on exactly how we want to express that publicly."
Do Ben and Jerry's not comprehend the idea of the process of making genetically identical copies of an animal? I mean seriously, it's stupidity like this that keeps scientists from making breakthroughs and other productive insights in all scientific disciplines. Good Grief. - dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24As long as my burger tastes the same, I don't really care, cause I am already putting a ***** load of cholesterol into my body.
- Calypsoaf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17I hope the Mutant Bacteria turns me into an Xman, than I could be on the show Heroes and be rich.
- Eimi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15What if some mutant bacteria which thrives on meat spreads and many people get sick and die?
Why the hell would bacteria thrive on cloned meat and not regular meat? - mlwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Does anybody even know WHY they don't want to eat cloned food?
Let me explain something to all the superstitious idiots out there.
If you think you will somehow get infected by GE meat, that the same as thinking that you can get sunburn from a raisin. The analogy is perfect. - Waterispoison, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I'll bet you twenty bucks you couldn't tell the difference between tap water and a bottle of evian if they were both in bottles.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@khag7
"i wish they had organic fast food places. i'd go."
Ahh but there is....at least in New York...
we have a place called Better Burger...and they do have a few more locations. They have organic beef, turkey burgers, baked "fries'....pretty good food...and organic beers too.
http://www.betterburgernyc.com/home.html - rgov, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Perhaps people in favor of labeling this food need to re-read the chapter on cloning from their 8th grade Biology textbooks. I don't mean to say that the food doesn't need to be tested, but as long as the cloning process is successful and the DNA (and any other part of the daughter cell) isn't damaged, there's nothing that could go wrong.
- mijoja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9they clone to get disease resistant genes
- mugenkeiji, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10a) FDA > you. Even if it should transpire that the FDA is imprudent to do so, its decision is far more deliberate and informed than any consumer who fears cloning with irrational superstition.
b) Cloning is nothing new. Every time a cutting is taken from a plant, it is cloned.
c) If it is unsafe to eat a clone, why would you be any happier eating the original plant or animal that possesses the very same problem? Idiot *smacks* - 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The more clones you make, [generation upon generation]
The easier it is for defects in the copies to be exploited by disease
[disease] resistance is futile - MasterChi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Water sucks at first but after about a month or two you get used to the flavor or lack there of. I woke up one day and just gave up soda all together and have just been drinking water and juices, mainly water, and I feel a ton better with more energy and no side effects of the energy (such as a sudden crash after the energy from a sugar rush). Also I save a good amount of money especially since I use a water filter as opposed to buying bottled water so it's good overall. Just my .002 cents.
**edit: waterdragon bears crap in that water as the mountain dew commercials proved :P ** - Pezza131214, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@masamunecyrus
Mad cow disease (Bovine spongiform encephalopathy) is caused by a prion, or a misfolded protein in the cow's brain tissue. This prion can be transferred by ingestion of the tissue of another organism with the same prion. It is believed that the newly ingested prion can then cause the misfolding of other (already formed) proteins.
Some proteins are more readily able to be converted into a prion, by an ingested prion, than others, and scientists have determined the DNA sequence for these specific proteins. What scientists have not found is a DNA sequence causing the initial formation of prions in a healthy organism, however, there is strong evidence saying this is not possible in bovine and that the transmissible prion formed in sheep, as the disease known as scrapie.
With that said, there is an extremely small chance that cloning an animal with BSE would create a new organism with the same BSE. With that being said, I'll leave you to decide if it warrants worry. - jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9So, some people here have been getting close to the heart of the issue here:
Cloned meat is the same as non cloned meat with only one exception. Genetic similarity between our livestock would make virii much more dangerous because the lack of diversity means all will be affected by the same virus. As long as that doesnt happen, and we can assume that even if it did they would know, there isnt a problem.
Sure, its one thing to complain about things added to the cows, like growth hormones, since those have an unnatural affect on the cow, but a procedure designed to create a copy of an ideal natural cow? No problems for me.
Oh, and by all means, add your scary cloned meat labels... "Cloned from genuine Kobe beef...twice as tasty, half the price" - elf586, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9so far the only good argument against allowing cloned food that i have heard is that if it gets out of had....
think about it all farmers would have more profits if they had a prize winning cow....if everyone gets a clone or two of that cow....it would not take much to kill off a single type of cow....
this would be similar to the banana situation.....a disease is wiping them out... - nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"I suppose this cloned meat would have major potential for cancer-causing stuff."
I don't suppose you can say why. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7damn why does dinner have to taste the same exact way, every day?
- fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Immune systems evolve along with diseases, cloned livestock = no evolution = the banana problem.
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@WaterDragon
Animals aren't like bananas... yet.
Bananas are all genetically identical and they have no way to evolve, as all bananas are seedless. there are several diseases that can kill entire banana crops in one go... so if one bad case of a disease breaks out, the banana industry is fscked.
What the parent commenter was suggesting is that Cows and Pigs will have a similar fate. - NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Why the hell would bacteria thrive on cloned meat and not regular meat?"
IF that particular clone is vulnerable to a particular bacterium, all instances of such a clone are compromised. No genetic diversity to limit it's spread. - harvinator24, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Most of you people just dont know what you talking about, not to offend anybody. A cloned cow is a cow, nothing different nothing more. Its the same animal that would have been extinct many years ago if we didn't domesticate it. Just because the cow is cloned doesnt mean the meat will be different of infected.
Lets put it this way, its a duplicate cd the exact same information, with the exact same quality.
For those of you who talk about, oh no growth hormones are so bad im going to eat organic food, your just completely uninformed. Organic food is more proned to disease and for the most part is smaller. Organic food is not better for you, its just a regular fruit, farmers add hormones or chemicals to protect the fruit and the consumer. Scientist do a tremendous amount of studies into every single thing they add to food.
Most of you who are saying you are in favor of this organic food are liberal biasided trying to fight the good fight, im somewhat liberal myself but all of this crap about how cloned food or genetically modified food is bad is just *****. - Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@masamunecyrus:
Um... what?
Ok, 1: Virii are relatively easy to detect when you're working on the subcellular level to begin with. That said, a virus would have to already be in the host egg or cell - either of these would be quickly rejected, however, as virii tend to throw off the chemical balance of cellular material, thus marking them 'unhealthy'
2: cloning a cow with spongiform encephalopathy wouldn't pass the mad cow onto its genetic progeny; Mad cow is the symptomatic result of particularly deformed protiens in the brain. They don't make their way past a cell wall - they play hob on the outside of nerve cells.
Generally, cloning errors so far are all systematic; ie: they cause systems in the cloned creature to fail in one way or another, due to improper growth patterns or chemical imbalances. They would have no effect on the resulting tissue, aside from a possibly strange taste.
Why we're talking about this is beyond me, though. Cloning a huge animal is more expensive than the natural way (ie: you have to clone it, then raise it as you normally would). On the other hand, synthesized animal muscle tissue promises to be both inexpensive and ethically clean. Still, it always brings to mind the joke that ends with, 'First, assume a spherical cow...' - nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5who said cloned doesn't legally qualify as organic?
- DrunkenPirate34, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Doesn't cloning get rid of genetic variety? That is never good, because one strain of virus could wipe out a whole herd of cows, etc in a matter of weeks.
- Wetzilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"You know, how did we survive before we had all of these doctors and scientists to engineer things? The human race has gotten along just fine for thousands of years before we were just very recently overrun by this herd of doctors and psychologists and scientists who think they are gods gift to mankind."
We didn't. Well, we did survive, but we didn't live anywhere near as long. look at the chart on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy. At the end of the 19th century in western civilized Europe, life expectancy was at 37 years. Before that is was more or less right around 30 years. Today the average world wide is 66. It's almost doubled in 100 years, where it hovered around the same age for thousands of years before that. But I guess that had nothing to do with all the doctors and scientists that have made these great leaps in medical and health care over the past hundred years. It's probably just chance. - CocaCola88, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9milk is bad for you water is the best liquid to drink but it sucks
if the meat is cheaper i'd buy it - JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Thats a very good point.
Have you heard that the only remaining species of banana is seedless (no sexual reproduction, no evolution) and is being threatened by fungus? Any chance that this would happen with cows too? - Conspiracy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How can it POSSIBLY be cheaper to clone animals than just breed them the old fashioned way? Seriously?
- MasterChi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQUC08fHJBU
There it is, 7up's view on bottled water. That commercial might be a bit fake but it freaked me out enough to stick with tap water through a brita filter as opposed to your bottled evian bear crap :S - jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Organic foods are a recent development, who knows what their long term effects will be? (-sarcasm-)
On the other hand genetically modified foods are helping to feed millions around the world that would have starved otherwise. (-not sarcasm-) - nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Maybe I don't feel like subjecting myself to cloned beef?"
Maybe I don't feel like subjecting myself to beef from a cow that had brown fur. Should the beef industry therefore be required to put fur color on the label? - JupiterLander, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm not against this but, why? Did cows forget how to *****?
- Eimi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The only real problem we would run into in the long term if the animals were like bananas; that is if every animal is cloned from a single genetic parent. As long as the parents are even remotely diverse, then there will be no problem.
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3True. Bananas are all cloned. Even the 'organically grown' bananas are cloned. Because organic has nothing to do with cloning.
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The point about food testing is that its simple. They test the food. They break it down. They chemically examine it. They use chemical analysis. They use microscopes. The look at the building blocks its made of. They test it on animals. They test it on people.
They keep doing this. Eventually there comes a point where a scientist has to say "you know, you really cant tell the difference between meat from a cloned animal or a non-cloned animal BECAUSE THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever!"
Why do people have a problem eating this stuff if its chemically and molecularly identical to the non-cloned stuff? Superstition, thats why... - boxc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4maybe cause it's kind of ok to be sceptical about science that favours industry over a natural phenomenon. if there's no difference.. just label it as such and let the free market decide.. I though this might be about embyro transfer (which uses surrogate mothers to mass produce from a single female and male) but really cloning agricultural business scale cloning ... why would anyone think reducing diversity on that scale would be a good thing in anything more than the short to medium term?
- bmwboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't know why so many people are against labeling the cloned food, if you don't mind cloned meat than fine, save a few bucks probably and buy the "cloned variety", if you would prefer to pay a bit extra and get clone free products, than go ahead. I don't mind it, as long as we stick a label on it....
just my
$.02 - 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9A Copy is never as good as the Original [ unless its digital ;) ]
- thefirstenemy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4One question I have about cloned food.
Do they clone the clones? Or are there only first generation clones?
It seems like eventually, after so many generations, only cloned offspring would exist. And I doubt they have had the amount of time needed, to find out if clones of clones, and so on for many generations, are in anyway defective, and unsafe for consumption. - fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"what if they could clone disease resistant livestock or produce and no longer need all that stuff"
would only work if diseases stopped evolving - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I think the biggest concern here is that the cloned animal gets some sort of virus, and then every clone of that animal gets it, and then it saturates the foodstream.
For instance, the FDA doesn't allow for private testing for Mad Cow. Some rancher (I forget where) wanted to test all of his cows for Mad Cow Disease because he wanted his customers to be confident that they're getting healthy beef. The FDA said no -- only they may test for Mad Cow. Now as we all know, the government is abhorrently slow at virtually everything they do. What if a cow gets cloned before being tested? Sure, that cow may have been tested for Mad Cow Disease a dozen times before, but now he may actually have it, except the FDA wouldn't have tested him because they were lazy and the tests have come back negative the previous dozen times. So now we have a cow with Mad Cow Disease that is cloned thousands of times. That meat is spread around over a long period of time; Mad Cow Disease can have an incubation period of 30 months to eight years. So some time way in the future, by the time millions of people have eaten this tainted meat, we could find out that it was infected with Mad Cow Disease and those millions of people can do nothing except for to sit there and wait for their brain to eat itself to oblivion.
If you're going to clone animals so that you get the superior animal every time, fine. But they'd better test the hell out of the food that we're going to be eating, or else there could be some serious consequences down the road. - wolrah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4r00tus3r: What reason do you have to believe there's something wrong with cloned meat? The nice thing about meat is that it comes from a living animal, and living animals tend to show quite well when something is wrong. It's not like the cloned cow will suddenly start producing cyanide-laced milk or something. It's still a piece of meat which developed through cell division, just it happens to have the same DNA as another piece of meat.
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