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- buff01, on 10/10/2007, -14/+24Sad, but it is a fact of life. Not everyone can be rich, and not everyone is born with the tools to be successful.
- SkittlesUSA, on 10/10/2007, -20/+5Everyone IS born with the "tools to be successful." The question is does the person have the most important tool of all- the will to work hard and earn it. Not everyone who tries his hardest will be extremely rich, but anyone that tries his hardest will not be extremely poor. Guaranteed.
- Dregga, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12"Everyone IS born with the "tools to be successful.""
Except the mentally ill, handicapped, sick, etc. Success is more than a matter of just "will". It also takes some good fortune too.- SkittlesUSA, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5True, but this makes up a small portion of the population. And do you think the majority of the poor in these photos are mentally ill, handicapped, or sick? Additionally, peoples' families should help take care of people you described. Even if the person does not have a family, there are a many places a person like this can go and get a job or help. Revised: If a person is able-bodied he has no excuse to be dirt-poor. It isn't the systems fault, it is his own.
- seanc6610, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Dead wrong, not guaranteed at allll. There are people who work harder than you and me combined everyday just to get some water or food to stay alive. they dont have the potential to "not be extremely poor," cause they can either work hard or they can die. as an american, im ashamed that americans have no idea how bad poverty is even within our own borders.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3You make no delineation between working hard and working smart. Studying in your free time sucks more than manual labor, but expanding knowledge is the key to increasing one's standard of living. Many people start with worse odds, but unless someone is physically and/or mentally disabled, I don't have any time for excuses.
Dead wrong, I am ashamed of Americans who think America has a high standard of living because of luck. Comparitively, please read that word twice liberals, the USA has the greatest governmental system in the history of man. Far from perfect, but the freedom we have and incentives to work hard are the reason we have one of the highest standards of living. If we were a "neutral/passive/whatever" country, we would be #1 by a landslide.- volfvolf1, on 05/14/2008, -0/+0Heh, that's right. for example http://cornovia.wikidot.com
- darienphoenix, on 10/28/2007, -2/+8You don't have one of the highest standards of living, and your system of government is one of the most corrupt, biased-towards-the-rich systems of 'Democracy' on the face of the planet. A person can't even consider running for president unless they're a millionaire. Your media outlets are a joke - going from laughably biased to depressingly commercial.
You need to do something about it, not sit on Digg telling people you're the best in the world.- momomathew, on 10/28/2007, -5/+0It must really suck to live in the U.S, I mean we should open the borders to let people out...wait, people are trying to migrate into the U.S.. Why would would they want to come here if it sucks so bad? Might be freedom of speech, freedom of religion, free will employment, no caste system, etc.....
- arjie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Uhh, dude, lots of people come to India too. We must be the greatest!
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3You make no delineation between working hard and working smart. Studying in your free time sucks more than manual labor, but expanding knowledge is the key to increasing one's standard of living. Many people start with worse odds, but unless someone is physically and/or mentally disabled, I don't have any time for excuses.
- TimDigg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10when I was in college and worked at a moving company, that was back breaking work....I've never worked harder in my entire life......now out of college, I have a desk....sometimes its long hours...but NO WHERE NEAR the kind of labor most of our poor are doing, the kind of jobs that will ***** up your health after too many years....oh yea and we have no health care.....so you're basically *****...
I worked WAAY harder at the ***** jobs than the white collar stuff
I remember I would come home too tired to even sit and watch tv.......imagine working a jobs like that for 20+ years or more - Jelfish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Also, even if you are healthy and intelligent, if you are born poor, more than likely you will need to care for (eventually) ailing parents, relatives, siblings, etc. Unless you're daring enough to leave them to fend for themselves, being poor often means being born with the burden of caring for other poor people. Staunch individualism, believe it or not, is actually a rather extreme concept in most of the world.
- bludragn0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5One of the things that pisses me off most in the world is when asshats like you babble on and on about ***** you don't understand. I have relatives that are forced to live in places like this and if it wasn't for my dad coming here illegally thirty years ago, I would be living in the same conditions. Don't judge me, them or anyone because you don't know what the ***** you're talking about. Not everyone is born into wealth and not everyone is born into a situation or society where it's easy to go from dirt poor to filthy rich, or even modestly bourgeoisie.
They are not equipped with the tools to be successful. They are not even equipped with the tools to educate themselves. (Not every ***** country has free public education dumbass) Their societies are probably sexist, racist, and tainted with corruption. Their government doesn't even give a ***** about them. They are forced to rely on the pity of foreigners to get their daily bread, even going as far as chopping off the limbs of their infants so that vacationers might be moved by the site. The world needs companionship and mercy, but keep taking one step back because of prats like you.
How dare you insinuate that those people don't work hard. They have to work hard just to get the water they drink and it's usually filthy and infested with the excrement of various things that go bump in the night.
So in the future, please keep your ignorant ***** sewn shut and do some ***** research before you try to showcase your selfish, flamboyant, glittered turd.
And America isn't exempt from the same desolation. (look up the great depression) I wonder if you would think of your fellow compatriots as having been lazy when America was going to the dogs. - nick111, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5This is ridiculous puritanical nonsense.
"The poor deserve to be poor" is a warped morality created by the need to justify inequality.
If the gap between rich and poor gets too wide, society turns to *****. The idea that competition is an end to be aspired to in itself is bollocks, and dog-eat-dog darwiniasm may be good if you're a particularly mean dog, but at a societal level it's a disaster.
- Dregga, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12"Everyone IS born with the "tools to be successful.""
- SkittlesUSA, on 10/10/2007, -20/+5Everyone IS born with the "tools to be successful." The question is does the person have the most important tool of all- the will to work hard and earn it. Not everyone who tries his hardest will be extremely rich, but anyone that tries his hardest will not be extremely poor. Guaranteed.
- Cowchip7, on 10/10/2007, -8/+24I am touched... Nancy Pelosi, can you please take 80% of my hard earned salary and give it to the world's poor...
- UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Woah, sweet condos in the first picture.
- desmondregan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1yeah im 2 degrees separated from somebody who lives in a nicer part of those condo's through my brother
- wassim2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+30Not a very good view from the balconies in that first picture.
- dromni, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I am sure that the appartments are devalued accordingly. However, by far the worse problem is not the view, but the "lost bullets". Brazilian slums have rampant levels of violence.
- 1310nm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Surprisingly stark comment from TFA:
Jason on Sep 19th, 2007 said:
if i’d just landed from Mars or somewhere further a afield - the question I’d be forced to ask is “why do the poor remain behind their wall ?” - DietMountainDew, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29Anyone else fascinated by the private pools?
Awesome.- Visnik, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I was, I found the building fascinating
- InfinitySnatch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Holy *****!
That 8th floor condo doesn't even have a hot tub.- VictoryGin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i know! That is an extreme rich-poor divide. And you just know ninth floor thinks it's better than him cause of it. We should take up a collection and donate to him. But then we'd have to worry about seventh floor... then again, seventh floor is jerks...
- whathappened, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6some good pics there but this is nothing compared to what ive seen. If you go to small villages in pakistan youll see loads of mud huts and tents surrounding a group or at least a couple of absolutely ***** huge mansions. mostly built by dwellers who have children working abroad in the UK,US or dubai. for example, my grandparents house is like a £1m mansion in the UK but it only cost £60k to build in pakistan - and that was with the money my dad made working in a factory in lancashire 18 hours a day. when i would go visit my grandad he would tell me the next door neighbours - less than 20 metres away, dont even have a basic gas supply while i am sat on my laptop surfing the net with our wireless broadband.
- InfinitySnatch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You're lifestyle is awesome. YOU are awesome.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I don't feel bad for countries where they stifle the productivity of their citizens based on religion.
- arjie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's sad dude. So basically, you don't feel anything for the 'stifled' citizens, you don't give a crap that they're both 'stifled' and poor.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1They stifle themselves jackass.
- arjie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's sad dude. So basically, you don't feel anything for the 'stifled' citizens, you don't give a crap that they're both 'stifled' and poor.
- sodomizer, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3People build the type of societies they are capable of building. It is not fair to judge everyone by Western standards.
- carbonetc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Atlantic City might be a good photo for that collection. It's pretty amazing to see all those big, gleaming, luxurious casino hotels growing like trees out of the compost around them.
- Jokermx, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2That's a very, very sad view.
I just want to know this: How many diggers in here are pro-capitalism, and how many are pro-communism? Please reply with a simple "I'm pro-capitalism/communism guy/gal" comment, and if you like, you could add a bit more info on why you're on such side.
I myself am against capitalism because, as this picture sums up pretty well, there's a HUGE division between the poor and the rich. I believe everyone should have the same benefits, but of course, work equally as hard.- huszar02, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3Well, get to know a few poor people. Most are extraordinarily lazy. Furthermore, there's no practical way of giving everyone the same benefits, because some will not equally work as hard. Also, what incentive is there for a person to excel when it means nothing? Why create better products or techniques when I can do the same damn thing every day and get the same benefit?
Should capitalism go unfettered? Probably not - but at its core, it is a far more realistic system than communism ever could be. Some people ARE better than other people, and that ends up creating disparities in wealth, due to things like intelligence, drive, personality, etc. Eventually, any system with have an unequal system of wealth divided between the descendants and friends of the more able humans and their less able counterparts. Note that these descendants and friends may themselves be inferior to those lower classes, but they happened to be in favor with the powerful members of the previous generation.
This is the best way to explain class stratification in most of history. So long as no men are inherently equal, there cannot be equality in society.- rune420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"Most poor people are lazy", yeah, tell that to the old man whos worked the factory floor for 40 years straight, or the over-worked sailor who sends his salary home to support his wife and kids. Yeah sure, the spoiled brats who are poor where you live may be lazy, but the majority of the worlds working class (not the couch-potato class of the suburbs) are the ones who make this materialistic society possible and they are not the least bit lazy.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1He was obviously lazy in picking up books and I didn't have kids before I could support them, so what, you want to hold me accountable for that guy?
- rune420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1My dad wasn't lazy in school he had good grades even though his family was hell (his stepfather beat him and his mom). When he got out of school he had to go work because he had to support his mother and he couldn't afford higher education anyway. So he was a sailor for 10 years and a factory floor worker for another 30. And don't call him stupid because he would read psychology, physics and other subjects in his free time just because he thought they were interesting, in fact he turned me on to western philosophy and science at a pretty young age.
And I don't want to hold you accountable for anything, just show at least some sense of respect and/or decency for the people that put in hard work for long days every day.
- rune420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1My dad wasn't lazy in school he had good grades even though his family was hell (his stepfather beat him and his mom). When he got out of school he had to go work because he had to support his mother and he couldn't afford higher education anyway. So he was a sailor for 10 years and a factory floor worker for another 30. And don't call him stupid because he would read psychology, physics and other subjects in his free time just because he thought they were interesting, in fact he turned me on to western philosophy and science at a pretty young age.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1He was obviously lazy in picking up books and I didn't have kids before I could support them, so what, you want to hold me accountable for that guy?
- rune420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"Most poor people are lazy", yeah, tell that to the old man whos worked the factory floor for 40 years straight, or the over-worked sailor who sends his salary home to support his wife and kids. Yeah sure, the spoiled brats who are poor where you live may be lazy, but the majority of the worlds working class (not the couch-potato class of the suburbs) are the ones who make this materialistic society possible and they are not the least bit lazy.
- SkittlesUSA, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7But if everyone has the same benefits, then nobody WILL work equally as hard; that is a very ideological view.
I favor a capitalist economy: strive for equal opportunity, but don't guarantee equality in outcome. - NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3To be frank, I've met to many pefectly capable people who are poor (speaking in American standards), but have cable and a TV going daily, to be anti-capitalist. I've worked with the developmentally disabled before, there are a group that has a true need, yet many of them work harder than perfectly able citizens.
"I believe everyone should have the same benefits, but of course, work equally as hard" That doesn't even work with a socialist program, let alone a socilist government. - magila, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This probably isn't the best place to profess your anti-capitalist feelings, seeing how Venezuela is ruled by non other than anti-capitalist poster boy Hugo Chávez.
- rune420, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You are aware that there are others schools of thinking than just communism and capitalism, right? I'm from social-democratic Norway and I'm pretty happy with how things are going here, at least compared to most of the rest of the world.
- michaelb1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Communism failed. Quite saying capitalism sucks. It just sucks when its not done right.
A capitalistic sociecty without an educated wealthy middle class will fail. The Middle class is an essential component of capitalism.
So whatever Venezuela is, they have big problems with that kind of socioeconomic gap.
- huszar02, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3Well, get to know a few poor people. Most are extraordinarily lazy. Furthermore, there's no practical way of giving everyone the same benefits, because some will not equally work as hard. Also, what incentive is there for a person to excel when it means nothing? Why create better products or techniques when I can do the same damn thing every day and get the same benefit?
- daviddiaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2 IMO Caracas is by far the worst of those shown. I'm grateful that even though I was born in Venezuela, I never had to live in such conditions.
- nexmachina, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You see the Caracas pictures? That's Petare. I live less than a mile away on the other side of the highway you see in the picture. The area on the other side of the highway is called La Urbina, and the slums is Petare. One of Caracas' biggest. Not even the armed forces go up the hill! And by the way, the venezuelan term for slums is "ranchos"
- FlunkedFlank, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0So there's decent internet access there then?
- McLuvin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2They should all just move to where the food is.
- hotspot102, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17For anyone who suggests, that the poor don't work hard. Is very out of touch. They probably work harder then most, just to maintain basic survival. Thats not to say, that they hadn't thrown opportunities away. Its just that not everyone can be successful regardless of how hard you work. Hence why the majority of "hard working" Americans are 'middle class'.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Reading. It certainly can be more tedious than sweeping floors in my opinion, but it has to be done, in free time if need be. Some people don't like it, and 99.9% of those people pay the price.
Also, families should be started when they can be supported adequately. So the "how you going to study when you have kids" argument has no weight. - arjie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You are so right! The sad thing is it's a cycle. Some people can't afford education, and so they're stuck being poor. Being really poor (like in some places in India) means that you don't have time to read, or even money for a book. Sadly, lots of it is related to funny practices that this society has. They'll spend almost all their money on offerings to the gods, when they have barely anything to eat. They'll mortgage the farm to satisfy the priest. And dowry, a wedding can destroy a family. Very often they borrow money to arrange the wedding and pay high interest rates (1000 rupees per _month_ on 3000 rupees, and interest on unpaid interest. It's horrible).
I'm a college kid and on my way to college (I take a train to the suburbs) I pass slums here in Madras. They're not nearly as bad as those slums in the photos but they're bad. I wish I could help, but it's overwhelming, too much.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Reading. It certainly can be more tedious than sweeping floors in my opinion, but it has to be done, in free time if need be. Some people don't like it, and 99.9% of those people pay the price.
- DipshitDave, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0The living conditions would be bearable if it wasn't for the violence. All those people in such a small place... Population is the reason we have war and all... I wonder how many violent deaths occur annually in slums like these. I'm gonna go look that up.
- seanc6610, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Tijuana, Mexico looks a lot like this too, and its only a few miles across the American border, south of San Diego.
- dcipjr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4There's a huge divide between Tijuana and San Diego. It's not quite as close geographically – you couldn't fit it in a single photo like the pictures here. But there's a neighborhood in Tijuana where the people literally live in the city dump, trying to scrape out an existence by finding stuff to salvage. And believe me -- it's not that they're not smart or that they're lazy, the only thing they lack is opportunity.
- seanc6610, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i know, i was there, building houses for them.
- dcipjr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4There's a huge divide between Tijuana and San Diego. It's not quite as close geographically – you couldn't fit it in a single photo like the pictures here. But there's a neighborhood in Tijuana where the people literally live in the city dump, trying to scrape out an existence by finding stuff to salvage. And believe me -- it's not that they're not smart or that they're lazy, the only thing they lack is opportunity.
- freestatelover, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3Isn't socialism wonderful?
- Dregga, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3What would you know about socialism, ignoramus?
- belleisahot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1oh my god ! What was different about rich and poor people ?
- zaii7, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0shake dat azz
- BobSutan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Looks like America in another 40 or 50 years.
- passedoutghost, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1When I went back to China the divide was even worse. My uncle owned a half a million apartment on the waterfront. You could look out both ways to the city. On your left: slums and ramshackle housing. On your right: a beautiful artificial lake.
- rmeddy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Say what you want against Hugo Chavez ,this is the kind of *****, he is trying to put a stop to.
- RedShoulder, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yep. Pretty soon no one there will have property rights and everyone (except Hugo) will live in squalor. What a benevolent dictator.
- 3210, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Very interesting pictures. Usually the poorer areas are off to their own area quite a ways from the rich area but, in those pictures they are neighbours.
- desistere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3These pictures remind me of 8 mile (the divide between Detroit and its suburbs). What a difference an invisible line can make.
- LotusStarscream, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I always built towns in SimCity that looked like that.
- ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I couldn't bear to build cities like that, so I made public education readily accessible and well-funded, kept industry separate, provided massive public transportation, and free health care. My middle class was huge.
At least in Sim City, Socialism rules.
- ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I couldn't bear to build cities like that, so I made public education readily accessible and well-funded, kept industry separate, provided massive public transportation, and free health care. My middle class was huge.
- sk8ordiemofo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Hooray for capitalism! -_-
- ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Ignorance grows like a virus on the digg forums. It's no coincidence that people given the most benefits and best start in life think they've earned everything they have....
- michaelb1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It's called "Being born on 3rd and thinking you hit a triple"
- MrSteamTank, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The rich people in countries such as thse in the pictures are absolute fools. The general theme when poverty is so rampant and the wealth divide is so big is that the people will end voting a communist dictator to "solve" there problems. Naturally they won't really fix anything but if you look at Bolivia and Venezuela you notice that the rich get screwed as well as they get their wealth stripped from them by the "majority". Ideally, it should be in the rich people's interest to have the poor in somewhat less squalid living conditions to prevent this from happening. Unfortunately, those that are better off believe that the poor deserve their current positions.
When the Brazilians vote in some super left winged guy and the rich get their property taken away then it's going to clearly be their own fault. You can't abuse the masses like that and expect to get away with it for too long. - roberto_deneero, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Lazy people don't make a lot of money. Build a business and make it to the other side of the tracks boys.
- DCUK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You couldn't do it.
- jlhoben, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Brought to you by the World Bank, the IMF and central banks everywhere.....I am amazed that some people seem to think that this is an issue of merit. Do you really think that there is such a wide disparity in ability? In addition, the system itself defines "merit" - the winners make the rules which trample (and exclude) the poor. Its the same reason why in the West free market economics is used to discipline the lower and middle classes while corporations seek monopoly positions and preferential treatment through lobbies etc. The free market doesn't exist except as an abstraction which justifies gross inequalities of the type you see here.
- SteelChicken, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2another good reason for people to stop having kids. population control anyone?
- LucasKane, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That first picture says it all
- designer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2More capitalism please.
- michaelb1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I wonder what it does for property values to have such a crappy view from the nice condo.
What? I'm just saying... - Clemenceau, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Some view that hotel has.
- NailerNforce, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Check out the capital of North Korea.
The differences there are immense. - britoca, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Capitalism
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