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- notque, on 01/14/2008, -1/+42Suharto's 1965 coup in Indonesia was particularly welcome to the West, because it destroyed the only mass-based political party there [the Communist Party the PKI - the CIA handed Suharto membership lists, then crossed people out as they were murdered]. That involved the slaughter, in a few months, of about 700,000 people, mostly landless peasants - "a gleam of light in Asia," as the leading thinker of the New York Times, James Reston, exulted, assuring his readers that the US had a hand in this triumph.
The West was very pleased to do business with Indonesia's new "moderate" leader, as the Christian Science Monitor described General Suharto, after he had washed some of the blood off his hands - meanwhile adding hundreds of thousands of corpses in East Timor and elsewhere. This spectacular mass murderer is "at heart benign," the respected London Economist assures us - doubtlessly referring to his attitude towards Western corporations.
http://www.oikos.org/ecology/timor.htm
Why Americans should care about East Timor by Noam Chomsky for further information. - inactive, on 01/14/2008, -4/+36His best buddies in genocide are weeping, especially Paul Wolfowitz, Henry Kissinger, Gerald Ford's dead ass, Bill Clinton, even Jimmy Carter.
- andrewcsayer, on 01/14/2008, -0/+19Too bad he was never charged for crimes against humanity.
- Cayfox, on 01/14/2008, -1/+18The film 'Manufacturing Consent' has a detailed look at how the American press handled the genocide in East Timor - quite simply, they didn't. It remains one of the greatest atrocities we've never heard of. For the sake of comparison, the film compares the coverage given to East Timor to that given to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia - East Timor received only a few column inches.
Here is the section of the film from YouTube (for anyone not familiar with it, the rest of the film is well worth watching, and the related videos and responses contain more of Chomsky's commentary):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uauGvzXV3w8 - notque, on 01/14/2008, -2/+15Well said. Kissinger being a primary catalyst. Watch the trials of Henry Kissinger for more information
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3791822/The_Trials_of_ ... - kinship, on 01/14/2008, -0/+13Its too bad that indonesia can't retrieve the billions he stole. Unfortunately his family still owns so much of Indnoesia, from when he literally bought out the country during the 70's and 80's. It's said that when you drive from the airport to jakarta, the highways you drive are owned by his son's and daughters. Indonesia is still in bad shape because of this guy.
- rxbudian, on 01/14/2008, -1/+11I would like to remind everyone that his rise to power is the product of US Foreign Policy, so while americans can look down upon him in disdain they, through ignorance or inaction, contributed to his rise.
- FluffyWolf, on 01/14/2008, -0/+10From your reply I can tell you are not from Aceh or East Timor, I doubt they would agree with the relatively safe statement. (Though if you were from East Timor you might not have said you were from Indonesia)
- neio, on 01/14/2008, -0/+9Sooner or later all monster's die.
- inactive, on 01/14/2008, -1/+9Good. He can't die fast enough. ***** shoulda kicked it 30 years ago.
- asdfer, on 01/14/2008, -0/+8Calling Suharto an "Ex-Military Dictator" is an understatement. He and his regime had been having their cakes and eat them too. For decades they had been "condemning" the Western Culture, and yet they were living in luxury just like the "Westerners".
Then again, nothing has really changed in that God-Forsaken country. Indonesia is full of hypocrites, radical fanatics, opportunists, thieves, crooks, liars, racists, etc. etc. etc. - antechinus, on 01/14/2008, -0/+8The ghosts of countless thousands of people, and their still alive relatives. You have to be an American.
- BillDoor, on 01/14/2008, -0/+742 years too late. How sad :(
- FluffyWolf, on 01/14/2008, -1/+8You can remove the category World News perhaps, or try to restrain yourself from clicking on articles about the world outside the US? It is mostly the foreign policy of the US that is evil, so that way you should manage to avoid a large part of the discussions on how bad the US government is.
- iamondigghaha, on 01/14/2008, -0/+7Thank you for posting this and getting this comment in here- many diggers will surely think "Suharto who?"
- kinship, on 01/14/2008, -2/+8lol im indo too, ill admit that his control was great -and compared to the great mess Indonesia is now it does seem good, but what he did was keep thing sunder tight warps, media control, business control, corruption and whatnot. In this huge intermission phase into capitalism, i do hope Indonesia dosn't fall back into a dictatorship or deeper into corruption.
- ogore, on 01/14/2008, -0/+6He's under house arrest.
To bad his house is a massive mansion with servants and cooks - inactive, on 01/14/2008, -1/+7http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-281588156 ...
- joker1972, on 01/14/2008, -0/+6Well I for one will not cry when Suharto kicks the bucket
- ultralights, on 01/14/2008, -0/+4heart failure, liver failure, lung failure... yep, hes screwed, let him die already! oh wait, his crimes against humanity, keep him going for a few more yrs....
- iamondigghaha, on 01/14/2008, -2/+6Good riddance. He's had his hands in more instances of corruption than many I've seen. I hope Indonesia can recover in a positive way. My thoughts are with you Indos above :)
- scorchedearth, on 01/14/2008, -1/+5Once again, the double standard applied to dictators by the west has never been clearer. Just like with Augusto Pinochet.
If you're our buddy, we can overlook genocide. Otherwise, you're the next Hitler and we need regime change. - ruiacp, on 01/14/2008, -0/+4Only because some minor crimes in Indonesia, not for mass genocide.
It was suggested a trial, but he had to be captured outside Indonesia, which never happened. And unfortunately it would be a fiasco as big as Pinochet's trial. - rayjitsu, on 01/14/2008, -0/+3you forgot pirates. Then again, you did say etc, etc, etc...
- kinship, on 01/14/2008, -0/+3no, im from jakarta lol tho i agree i wouldn't understand the problems those areas faced.
- antechinus, on 01/14/2008, -0/+3But was not just E. Timor. The invasion of and ongoing genocide and in Irian Jaya (West Papua) is just as bad.
- asdfer, on 01/14/2008, -0/+3Singapore is pretty much in a Police State...........
Chewing Gum????? You're gonna enjoy the Caning.
What's with this music.... Alright it's banned.
This artwork is offensive. Ban the Artist! - gemadouble, on 01/14/2008, -0/+2I've been living there for 10 years and I can confirm you statement. It's not much different now either.
- hansk, on 01/14/2008, -0/+2why do the good die so young?!
- speerross, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1Maybe try reading some history before commenting next time? Over the last 50 years 3rd world countries HAVE made their own decisions, democratically, only to have America disagree and form a new government with a radical capitalist agenda (i.e. Friedmanite, neoliberal - "business friendly") that is great for foreign multinationals (convieniently often based in America) but horrible for the people of the country. Often the elected government was a leftist one, Socialist or Communist, but America had other ideas. Lets look at a few:
Indonesia (the one referred to here), Iran, Argentina, Chile, South Africa, Poland, Russia, Guatemala, Bolivia and more.... - andrew1193, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1Assuming for the moment that the assertion is even true, helping Suharto liquidate a few commies is not the same as helping him rise to power.
- gemadouble, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1I'm from Indonesia and I'm not proud of what Suharto did on his acting president years. His corruption, genocide and his dictatorship will never be forgotten. I was never proud being an Indonesian, hell, I'm a Singaporean now. Well, not so proud of that but it's much better than Indonesia.
Let the man die and forget him already. - antechinus, on 01/14/2008, -1/+2Sounds rather like the US.
- Air420, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1yep, hope the bastard dies in pain.
- Bartmoss, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1Die already, you *****.
- luag, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1The man with the calm deadly smile......
- Feralvision, on 01/14/2008, -1/+2Hope the bastard rots, as well as all the corrupt western leaders who supported him.
- Alphateam, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1Come on and die. I have him in my dead pool this year. It should be a slam dunk.
- speerross, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1It's an opportunity to recognise the crimes he committed, and let's not forget the massive American involvement in his rise to power and reign of terror...
- hansk, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1OH noes he potted! WTF HAXORS
- skyfire1, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1lolz
- gemadouble, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1That's why I said I'm not proud of it either.
I don't know where to go :'( - ideacreativenet, on 01/14/2008, -1/+2soeharto = bush = saddam = hitler = fir'aun
- inactive, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1Like all great leaders (Hitler, Napoleon, Saddam, Stalin, Lenin), he rose and fell with the cheer of the nation. Their heroic stint don't last long after they find them self in way much power they think they own the country, thus leading the nation to the gutter.
- inactive, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1keep in mind that soeharto replaced an egomaniac president in the first place. which would (or 'could', due to Sukarno's despised of the UN and the West) have turned indonesia to a communist country, associating itself to the eventually loosing-side Russian-led Communist block.
- dtele, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1He has died now - don't forget his victims! http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,2204 ...
- kianbung, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1Oh damn. First the news, then the radio... Now Digg?!
I'm sick of this guy, dammit. I hope he dies soon. - speerross, on 01/15/2008, -1/+1Since you provide no evidence for your claims I'll get rid of them
"The CIA received high level order to liquidate President Sukarno"
William Blum, Killing Hope: US Military and CIA interventions since World War 2
Suharto sent soldiers to hunt down four or five thousand leftists on his "shooting lists", the US embassy received regular updates
Kathy Kadane, "US Officials' Lists aided Indonesian Bloodbath in '60s", Washington Post, May 21, 1990
There's plenty more, gimme a shout if you want to see more sources - inactive, on 01/14/2008, -2/+2"a gleam of light in Asia," as the leading thinker of the New York Times, James Reston, exulted, assuring his readers that the US had a hand in this triumph." Yeah...because a writer for a newspaper would know.
- andrew1193, on 01/15/2008, -1/+1"So CIA involvement was nothing to do with US Foreign Policy?"
The CIA had nothing to do with Suharto's rise to power.
"Or the involvement of the Berkely Mafia (economists trained at Berkely) in creating a radical capitalist economy?"
This is laughable. -
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