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Ex-Italian President: 9/11 Inside Job
prisonplanet.com — Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italys most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.
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- virtualdc, on 12/04/2007, -6/+98This man has a soul. The truth will prevail!
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -44/+8This man is wrong. What evidence does he offer to back up his assertions?
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -5/+23New icon? What, they were out of swastikas?!?
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -23/+5What does that even mean?
- Gratefuldead, on 12/04/2007, -4/+11He noticed herk's fancy new avatar and wondered why he didn't choice something appropriate. obviously.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -16/+7OH! Right, because we should all be fearful of the Nazi enemy, they may threaten our lives and freedom, right?
That sounds familiar...I've heard that kind of talk a lot recently.Seems like a certain highly placed political official has said that kind of thing, maybe. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -12/+6I think the new avatar is awsome Herk. Although I have been growing tired of your pro-Steve Guttenberg propaganda.
- Gratefuldead, on 12/04/2007, -5/+6just jokes buddy - we kid cause we love
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -7/+6We're deciding this weekend who's going to win the Super Bowl this year. Don't forget to get your requests in early.
- almonds646, on 09/11/2008, -0/+2Put me down for Miami. $500
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -16/+7OH! Right, because we should all be fearful of the Nazi enemy, they may threaten our lives and freedom, right?
- bolognium, on 12/04/2007, -3/+22what evidence do you offer to state he "is wrong" - how do you know that?
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -22/+6What evidence does he have that he's right? He has to prove his accusation.
- NonServium, on 12/04/2007, -2/+7"What evidence does he have that he's right? He has to prove his accusation."
They'd love to share it with us Hortnon but it's classified. It's absolutely damning evidence, but it's top secret. Oh wait, you weren't talking about the Arab Terrorists theory were you?- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -9/+6Nope. I rarely do. I talk solely about whether there was controlled demolition involved.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -10/+5So this guy pulls a statement out of his ass and you're going to believe it unless someone proves him to be wrong? So much for healthy skepticism. So much for asking questions and demanding answers. You people really are herd animals.
- nicholai, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1A neocon is calling us "herd animals"? The irony is almost painful.
- Jimmyb207, on 12/04/2007, -5/+15In case you don't know herk and hort...the rules have changed. The people demand that the Government PROVE it wasn't an inside job. The overwhelming evidence that points to a controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7 is now overriding your type of thinking. Thats the way it will be from now on.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -15/+8Oh, the rules changed? You're going to change several hundred years of trial precedent and Constitutional law, just like that?
Um, good luck, I guess.- Jimmyb207, on 12/04/2007, -4/+15Overwhelming evidence that it was a controlled demolition. But hey, I'm sure you were out in the street dancing when they "couldn't prove" O.J. Simpson committed a double murder. It's just one of those things....everybody knows except you!
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -10/+7Ok Jimmyb207... since there's "overwhelming" evidence of an "inside job", why don't you file a class-action wrongful death suit against the government?
You'll be a national hero and rich beyond your wildest dreams. What's stopping you? - NonServium, on 12/04/2007, -1/+9"Ok Jimmyb207... since there's "overwhelming" evidence of an "inside job", why don't you file a class-action wrongful death suit against the government?"
I agree. We should bring our overwhelming evidence to the gansters who did this and see if they convict *themselves*. If they don't, hi-yuck, I guess that proves us wrong. - Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -8/+3So is you're so convinced that none of what you're doing will ever make any difference then what are you doing it for? Grins and giggles? Take your "overwhelming" evidence to the foreign press or to the United Nations. Please do so soon. It should be entertaining.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -9/+4The rules haven't changed.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -15/+8Oh, the rules changed? You're going to change several hundred years of trial precedent and Constitutional law, just like that?
- NonServium, on 12/04/2007, -1/+9You're wrong. What evidence have you ever offered to back up your magic buildings theory?
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -10/+4What are you talking about? Magic buildings? That's just stupid.
- MyLiege, on 12/04/2007, -0/+8I agree your magic buildings theory is stupid.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -10/+4What are you talking about? Magic buildings? That's just stupid.
- brad3378, on 12/05/2007, -2/+2To be honest, I have no interest in this story - I was just hoping to read what you had to say about it.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4Maybe because he was intelligent and qualified enough to become the leader of a nation of over 63 million people with an economy of over 1.6 trillion dollars with free Europeans... That's all. I guess these don't qualify as reputable anymore.
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -5/+23New icon? What, they were out of swastikas?!?
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -44/+8This man is wrong. What evidence does he offer to back up his assertions?
- zguL, on 12/04/2007, -6/+73It'll be interesting to hear what the debunkers have to say about this. :)
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -7/+32same as always: "WHERE'S HIS PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH PAPER?!"
lol- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -35/+8You're just bitter because you have no credible evidence to back up your little theories.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -5/+26you're right...we got the ex Italian president...but I'm bummed out...what we really need is Herkimer on our side.
hahahha- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -33/+8You don't need me. You need to be able to prove that anything that you've been saying is true. To date, you have failed totally to do that. But, then again, you and failure are old friends.
- RossDuprey, on 12/06/2007, -1/+4Yea but the Bush administration doesn't need to prove weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? "We were operating off of the best information we had at the time" Yea well thats not good enough. Fail.
- Gratefuldead, on 12/04/2007, -2/+13neither do you, remember, the official story is just a theory too
- JBURNES, on 12/04/2007, -1/+8Herkimer.... there you are, I was starting to think that the DoD stopped paying you.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -5/+26you're right...we got the ex Italian president...but I'm bummed out...what we really need is Herkimer on our side.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -25/+7I'll give him a pass on the peer-reviewed paper if he can produce documents or recorded conversations proving US Government complicity in the 9/11 attacks.
The only "evidence" he's offered is his opinion. That proves exactly nothing.- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+21you're right...an ex president of one of the richest and most historical nations on earth's opinion is worthless.
theblueprint's opinion is much for valid.
Listen to blueprint, people! Forget that stupid ex president...- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -18/+7I don't care if it's my own mother. If anyone makes this claim with precisely zero evidence to back it up, I'm calling *****.
The "truth" movement is far too into "opinion" and "looks like" because there is zero fact to back up any of their allegations. That's why this is "big news" in Trutherland. - bolognium, on 12/04/2007, -3/+15"If anyone makes this claim with precisely zero evidence to back it up, I'm calling *****."
unless of course his own daddy government is making the claims.. then it's "USA! USA! USA!" - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -13/+4@bolognium
You're an idiot. Prove that we believe the 'official story' simply because it is the official story.
I'll be waiting, but I'll probably never hear from you again. - Gratefuldead, on 12/04/2007, -2/+10what do you believe? inform, discuss.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -10/+4I believe the dozens of studies done, in addition to the NIST report. I don't believe some crazies setting up colorful websites and not producing anything in 6 years of existence.
The reason? The studies I believe have been peer-reviewed and scrutinized. They have gone through the scientific process. Not a single truther theory has undergone this. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+7horty so you base your evidence on people you don't know who have papers that you can't verify that say everything checks out?
no wonder... - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -6/+4If you're going to criticize me for that, then where's the scrutiny for Alex Jones & Co?
Why do you believe them? What makes them better than the people I believe? I only ask, because if you are seriously making the point you just made, then you should literally believe in nothing and no one that you personally don't have the expertise to prove, and only within your visual range. - Liverwurst, on 12/06/2007, -0/+4Horton,
I don't take everything AJ says as fact. Half of what he says is opinion. It's up to listeners to make an informed decision on what is being presented to you. My informed decision on 9-11 is something is fishy and either we are not being told about prior knowledge or it goes deeper and they actually did it. You made the informed decision that the "official story" is true. To be a pessimist , I don't think this will ever be resolved, some people will believe one thing, some will believe another. My point here is the bury brigade should evaluate the articles they bury and not bury factual articles. If you think an article is worth burying, then do so, but I see too many of you saying things like "I agree with this article but I'm burying it anyhow" which I think is something that needs to be checked.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -18/+7I don't care if it's my own mother. If anyone makes this claim with precisely zero evidence to back it up, I'm calling *****.
- Jockdoe, on 12/04/2007, -3/+19What about the cell phone calls that were impossible to make at that altitude, for me that's a recording of a least a cover story by someone.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+5If you don't know that's been proven false by now, that's your own problem.
At worst, the calls at that altitude were unreliable. Besides that, the calls were made from the plane's 'airfones', not cell phones. - jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -16/+5And cellphone calls were possible at those altitudes in 2001. The only problem was they would have a hard time "handshaking" between towers and calls would frequently drop.
- Gratefuldead, on 12/04/2007, -2/+9Not that this piece of circumstantial evidence is even necessary, but have you ever tried to make a call from that altitude? let alone 6 1/2 years ago...
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -5/+5It's more dependant on your location than on the technology available. Though, of course, analog vs digital and cell phone vs in-plane phone do make differences.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+8horty have you read the 9/11 commission report? Some calls were airphone some were cell.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -6/+4Ok, and? How does that disprove anything I've said? If anything, you're making my case for me.
- Liverwurst, on 12/06/2007, -1/+2Sadly JCM and Horton are right on this point, much as I hate to admit it. The calls were possible. My problem is, why not release them if they exist?
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+5If you don't know that's been proven false by now, that's your own problem.
- dracostimpy, on 12/04/2007, -2/+11As soon as the government releases ALL the documents and recordings they've been withholding (for no apparent reason since they should all support the 9/11 Commission findings, right?), then you'll get the evidence you seek.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+21you're right...an ex president of one of the richest and most historical nations on earth's opinion is worthless.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -35/+8You're just bitter because you have no credible evidence to back up your little theories.
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -4/+26
When our highly respected scientists DO have peer reviewed research; they are no longer credible to the Bury Brigade, because their opinions don't conform to the "scripted talking points", ya digg?- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -19/+6"When our highly respected scientists DO have peer reviewed research"
LOL. You have neither (a) a single highly respected scientist on your side nor (b) a single peer reviewed paper supporting your allegations. You've moved on from parroting ***** to outright lies.- phenry50BMG, on 12/05/2007, -0/+6Thanks Himmler. Keep spouting your propaganda to those who might listen.
- Wewillknowsoon, on 12/06/2007, -0/+5www.journalof911studies.com
there are many peer-reviewed articles here
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -19/+6"When our highly respected scientists DO have peer reviewed research"
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -7/+32same as always: "WHERE'S HIS PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH PAPER?!"
- MinibossMike, on 12/04/2007, -3/+80“Highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.” It must suck to be one of the deniers right now. I‘ll bet they don’t even touch this one. Anybody who denies 9/11 was an inside job is either willfully ignorant or covering up for the bad guys.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -27/+6“Highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.”
It's highly unlikely to be mentioned by the MSM because he's offered zero evidence to back up his allegations. Actual journalists don't run stories that are devoid of proof-yellow journalists print anything that furthers their agenda. That's why this is appearing on PrisonPlanet and not on MSNBC.- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+22theblueprint...so you trust a billion dollar organization to report you the honest news? They have no agenda, right? Do you judge your sources by how much money they have and how popular they are?
If MSNBC reported 9/11 was an inside job, would you "believe" it?
But OK...we'll play your game. Lets say Prison Planet is just a bunch of liars and they are somehow profiting by telling outrageous lies. They are yellow journalist...OK, I'll agree with you for the sake of argument.
Now...do you trust Popular Mechanics...who is owned by the man who coined yellow journalism and used it multiple times? If you don't trust Alex for yellow journalism (when he is making considerably less than the Hearst money making machine) then how can you trust the originators of yellow journalism, who have profited in the billions?- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -23/+6"theblueprint...so you trust a billion dollar organization to report you the honest news?"
I don't take anyone's "word for it". I want to see independent evidence that confirms allegations. Major news agencies don't run stories without proof, whereas Alex Jones doesn't run stories with proof.
The scientific community has proven that there was no "controlled demolition". The academic journal put out by Structural Engineers debunked WTC 7. As I've always said, I am more than willing to admit I'm wrong in the face of independent, verifiable evidence. I have yet to be presented with such, including from the Italian Ex-President. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+23"The academic journal put out by Structural Engineers debunked WTC 7"
Are you kidding me? You believe that one column failing can bring down a building?
If this is true...why is it taking NIST 7 years for their report on WTC7? They said they'd have it 2 years ago. They even said they're looking into controlled demolition now.
If we said anything like "one column failed so the whole building fell" you guys would laugh us out of Digg. For good reason, too.- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -22/+6"Are you kidding me? You believe that one column failing can bring down a building?"
Are you kidding me? You know more about Structural Engineering than actual Structural Engineers? - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+20so because i don't know more than them it means they are right?
do you know anything about structural engineering to verify what they are saying? Why don't they pass their findings on to NIST? - theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -16/+5Thanks card. You've just proven that you have no interest in science or the truth, and you're more than willing to claim yourself an expert when actual experts don't agree with your findings.
I type this knowing full well that you're going to continue to intentionally miss the point, but that's what makes you the one and only "card51." :)
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -22/+6"Are you kidding me? You believe that one column failing can bring down a building?"
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -20/+7William Randolph Hearst didn't coin the term "Yellow Journalism", he was the the yellow journalist. And Hearst Publishing is not owned by him today because he's dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hear ... - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+15i never said he coined the term...i said he coined IT...and of course he's dead...his company owns them, though.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -23/+6"theblueprint...so you trust a billion dollar organization to report you the honest news?"
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+17how about this: If NIST agrees with that magazine and officially says one column caused the building to fall...then i will say, on here in front of you all, that 9/11 was NOT an inside job. How's that?
- cp833, on 12/04/2007, -0/+11Haha I second that
- MinibossMike, on 12/04/2007, -1/+13It appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. That sounds like actual journalist to me. Nice try though. And, you know, I think the fact that we even have a term like “Mainstream Media” speaks volumes about the American press. By the way, which kind are you? Ignorant, or bad guy?
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -8/+2Which are you, brain dead moron or soulless fanatic?
- artemus, on 12/04/2007, -0/+5Mike is braindead and soulless? Who's the idiot that is saying that an Italian newspaper is lying to the public?
- kayaker712, on 12/06/2007, -0/+2No it's herks standard answer when he can't answer the question - which is of course never
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+22theblueprint...so you trust a billion dollar organization to report you the honest news? They have no agenda, right? Do you judge your sources by how much money they have and how popular they are?
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -27/+6“Highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.”
- speedystriper, on 12/04/2007, -2/+73This guy is no small timer. The ex Italian President no less! Eventually, everyone will know. It will be common knowledge, like Manson being responsible for the Sharon Tate murder, or the sky being blue. Like that song says, "Everybody Knows."
- nwoantibody, on 12/04/2007, -7/+74***** you digg brigade, try burying this.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -32/+7This won't make the front page. The other submission of this did make it, but it was quickly buried.
- phenry50BMG, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4Your masters must be so proud of you.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -30/+7I just did. Thanks for the reminder.
- DiggaNiggaz, on 12/04/2007, -2/+9You make our entire case. You are 100% proof positive that there is a massive movement to "bury" the truth about 9/11. If you had nothing to fear - you would let these stories be. The mere fact that you systematically bury stories like this tells an interesting tale. You are indeed the type of person who would put people into ovens.
- onetimer, on 12/04/2007, -10/+11I didn't even have to bury it. It was already gone. Looks like the CENTCOM censorBOT software is working at high efficiency...
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+10"it's all so blatantly a lie...BUT WE MUST STOP IT!!!"
- onetimer, on 12/04/2007, -9/+6Stop alex-jones truther propaganda from reaching the front page by using the bury feature? Yes.
Don't worry about it card, if I didn't bury it, the rest of the digg community would.- NonServium, on 12/04/2007, -2/+6So, it's not news that the ex-president of Italy says it was an inside job. That needs to be buried as "propaganda"? This is what you just said. I think you're going to get fined by your bosses at the CIA for exposing yourself, dis-info man.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -7/+5If you had actually looked first, you would've known a story about this already frontpaged.
You're welcome for doing your research for you. - MyLiege, on 12/04/2007, -1/+4Hortnon, with those research skills it's no wonder you believe the official government approved 9-11 theory. If you had actually read the post NonServium was replying to, you'd know that onetimer did say this was propaganda that should be buried to keep it from reaching the front page.
- onetimer, on 12/04/2007, -2/+3OOPS! You caught me. My CIA/CENTCOM handlers are going to be pissed...
Yes, it IS truther propaganda. A man with no technical expertise makes a claim with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Not to mention the fact that this story already had a chance on the front page before the digg community recognized it as *****. - RossDuprey, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1So you are claiming that the former Italian President, was lied to by his intelligence agency? If that were true then there must be a conspiracy to keep him from knowing the truth. Either way there is a conspiracy. You would prefer to be a nationalist then?
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -7/+5If you had actually looked first, you would've known a story about this already frontpaged.
- kayaker712, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1The "digg community": what a laugh a band of a dozen or so halfwits reading non existent papers and unable to do simple math
- NonServium, on 12/04/2007, -2/+6So, it's not news that the ex-president of Italy says it was an inside job. That needs to be buried as "propaganda"? This is what you just said. I think you're going to get fined by your bosses at the CIA for exposing yourself, dis-info man.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -32/+7This won't make the front page. The other submission of this did make it, but it was quickly buried.
- rdougherty, on 12/04/2007, -2/+57"It'll be interesting to hear what the debunkers have to say about this. :)"
Yea. I can hear them saying, "he's not an engineer".- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -22/+7He's not an engineer and he offers no evidence to back up his accusations. Why should anyone believe anything he says on the subject except for those gullible, deluded souls out there that want to believe him?
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+21he's obviously just lying for alex jones...i wouldn't believe him...believe herk he knows much more than some stupid ex president ;)
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -22/+5Speaking of gullible, deluded souls...look who's here right on cue. Where's his proof, card? What did he offer us besides his word? I've seen way too many postings, writings and web sites from truthers to ever take their word for anything. This guy is just another truther so you're going to have to prove what he's saying is the truth.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+22Herkimer you're right...poor gullible ex president of italy.
You will never know the truth like Herkimer!- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -20/+5He probably won't. Unless, that is, he can prove his allegations?
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -2/+18Yeah, the Italian President NEVER got the high level security briefings that Herki gets! LOL!
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+5Yeah, I'm sure that the *Italian* president would have a 'need to know' about the plot to demolish the WTC.
Anyway, if he WAS at one of these briefings, he would have some kind of hard evidence, you'd think. A memo, a meeting agenda, a phone recording...something...anything.
But, no. He just thinks it was an inside job. He doesn't claim to have been in any of those meetings or anything. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+14yep.
ex president coming out about a conspiracy with nothing to gain = obvious liar.
digger who constantly buries stories on this topic = unbiased source who is too intelligent for our lies. - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -14/+4Go on, keep ignoring that he doesn't have evidence to back up his claims. Just keep proving you don't actually care to know the truth.
Thanks! - Gratefuldead, on 12/04/2007, -4/+8His OPINION, based on his level of INVOLVEMENT IN POLITICS , leads him to the CONCLUSION it was an inside job. Tell me herk, do you believe in god? B/c your going to have a hell of a job proving that with peer reviewed scientific papers.....what about evolution, b/c as far as i can tell, can't prove that with "EVIDENCE" either. So what do they call these ideas, presented by experts opinions back by evidence?
Theory's - he has a theory. he is qualified to make this assertion, get used to it, they're going to become more frequent. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+9you mean he didn't just randomly shout out 911 was an inside job without looking into it and drawing conclusions from the evidence?
- NonServium, on 12/04/2007, -2/+4"Yeah, I'm sure that the *Italian* president would have a 'need to know' about the plot to demolish the WTC."
I believe there's a certain etiquette among spooks, much like there is in crime families. To do something like 9-11, everyone's gotta know about it ahead of time. If the towers come down and Italy is surprised by it, they might panic. It won't take them long to figure out who did it, and then they'll wonder why they weren't warned ahead of time; and what else they haven't been warned about. And if Italy's got some operatives in the towers on the day, they might think retaliate through their influence on the press to bring down the whole house, (of cards). Far safer to just tell the Italian spooks in advance and trust that your secrets about them will be insurance enough; it's not like they care what you do to the American people. Besides, their intelligence likely figured it out well before it happened. When they asked the CIA goons about it, were they supposed to say no and do it anyway? - Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -5/+6Yeah, I'm sure the CIA called up their Italian counterparts just to let them know that they were planning on murdering several thousand people in a false flag attack on the WTC. Do you ever realize how paranoid and dumb you sound when you post illogical garbage like that?
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+22Herkimer you're right...poor gullible ex president of italy.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -22/+7He's not an engineer and he offers no evidence to back up his accusations. Why should anyone believe anything he says on the subject except for those gullible, deluded souls out there that want to believe him?
- rdougherty, on 12/04/2007, -1/+76Another crazy conspiracy theorist, huh? Either the whole world is becoming insane, or there's actually some truth to what the truth movement has been saying. Thing is, debunkers like to cling to the most outrageous claims and forget to research or fail to debunk the saudi and pakistani connection, which is literally only one degree of influence away from CIA etc...
Debunkers, tell us, when did al-cia-duh cease to be a U.S. asset and become an enemy? Who made that decision. Are you 100% sure that things are as you think they are? Do you honestly believe everything you are told? - rdougherty, on 12/04/2007, -2/+57they don't need to bury it. Digg will censor it for them... willingly.
- cococooky, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3I think you're right, 490 diggs in 10 hours, and not made popular.
- gerthymcgee, on 12/04/2007, -2/+42People who live in their willed ignorance-Knowledge cave will continue to deny reality no matter how much evidence comes out. They will lie to their selves in order to not have to admit to their selves that the world as they know it is a lie.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+25i don't understand why people are like this...I know it took me a while to really come around (I was for bush and the wars 4 years ago) but once I found out the truth I couldn't just deny it. I had to believe the truth no matter how much it hurt and no matter how much it shifted my entire belief system.
I just couldn't picture knowing the truth in my heart but blocking it out of my brain.
Then again I couldn't picture spending your whole day and night trying to bury stories you don't like, either.- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -8/+4But you do spend hours every day burying stories and comments that you don't like.
- artemus, on 12/04/2007, -1/+7Pot... meet kettle. Kettle... pot. Hello in there?
- brad3378, on 12/04/2007, -5/+1Artemus has a point. Why do you bother spending so much time to post comments that just end up getting buried? Do you guys secretly work for Alex Jones trying to rile up the crowd a little?
- Hortnon, on 12/05/2007, -4/+3Brad, why do you bother spending so much time and money to support a candidate that won't get elected?
- brad3378, on 12/05/2007, -1/+2I reached the bottom of this thread, so I'll leave my response to Hortnon here instead since you guys are friends.
Hortnon, please let me know that you read this.
For me, my wake up call happened while I was working for a Military contractor. I couldn't believe the waste going on. They were basically paying me $2500 a week to sit around my computer to surf the Internet while occasionally doing some productive work. I had a pretty good thing going on - earning triple what I'd be earning back in the Auto Industry. But it just didn't seem right. In fact to most of my coworkers it was all a big game. The game was all about billable hours. The more hours clocked, the more we would bill out to the DOD. I was literally getting sick to my stomach seeing what was going on.
At around the same time I ran into this website: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
The website says that our national debt is approximately $30,000 per citizen. Stop for a moment and think about that - $30K per Citizen translates to about $50,000 per tax payer! Now stop & think about the 80 Million Baby Boomers that will soon quit paying income taxes when they retire and will start drawing social security benefits. The debt burden will soon be divvied up amongst many fewer taxpayers. Unfortunately, I happen to be one of them.
My point is that both major parties of our government have been on a spending spree. The Democrats want to spend our money on Health Care and social programs. The Republicans want to spend our money on a war. Personally, I would prefer to spend my tax money on paying down our national debt. Is it a bad thing to ask to for a government that doesn't put me into as much debt as my car payment? I'll be the first Ron Paul supporter to admit that he is not perfect, however I strongly believe that he is the most likely candidate to bring our spending under control. If you know of a candidate who will spend less tax money than he does, I'm willing to listen. In fact, I insist that you please prove me wrong and ease my fears because I'm quite worried about the financial future of our country.- brad3378, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1Correction - my take home pay (after taxes) was $2500 per week.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -8/+4But you do spend hours every day burying stories and comments that you don't like.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+25i don't understand why people are like this...I know it took me a while to really come around (I was for bush and the wars 4 years ago) but once I found out the truth I couldn't just deny it. I had to believe the truth no matter how much it hurt and no matter how much it shifted my entire belief system.
- HughManBeing, on 12/04/2007, -1/+53The suffering in this world is really getting to me. From poverty to hunger. I really hope we can confront this greed and nasty corruption and effectively bring justice to these guys. We all deserve better. They killed JFK. They kill our peaceful leaders and innocent civilians. We can't go on like that. Let's expose the people and organizations behind these crimes and try to turn this ship around.
- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -1/+24As long as Americans have their guns (and this whether you like guns or not), and have the right our founding fathers gave us - thank God! - this administration, the congress, the elites ruling out of the UN and the EU can't easily touch us at all. there's 300,000,000 of us and if only 10% had their various assortment of guns - that's a damn big army; and would be a damn mean overly zealous army because this army would be protecting their homes, their families, there way of life...no army in their right mind would attack America as it is today (not that there are not a tremendous effort behind closed doors to kill our 2nd amendment); and having served honorably in the military - I'm very good with M-16s, M-60s, M-203s, 50 cals. and there's military personnel who are serving just like I had, who took an oath as the one I did about domestic enemies as well, who'll add to our ranks quickly when push comes to shove...
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -1/+15America: The world's best trained and best armed insurgency!
- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -1/+24As long as Americans have their guns (and this whether you like guns or not), and have the right our founding fathers gave us - thank God! - this administration, the congress, the elites ruling out of the UN and the EU can't easily touch us at all. there's 300,000,000 of us and if only 10% had their various assortment of guns - that's a damn big army; and would be a damn mean overly zealous army because this army would be protecting their homes, their families, there way of life...no army in their right mind would attack America as it is today (not that there are not a tremendous effort behind closed doors to kill our 2nd amendment); and having served honorably in the military - I'm very good with M-16s, M-60s, M-203s, 50 cals. and there's military personnel who are serving just like I had, who took an oath as the one I did about domestic enemies as well, who'll add to our ranks quickly when push comes to shove...
- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -2/+42I knew it! I knew it just like I now know that King Jorge - big 'W' Bush is appearing to do an about-face on Iran while they're still building up with warships in the persian gulf. http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4825.
Just like I know CAIR, while congress and this president's whole administration look the other way, is using our legal processes (legal processes having been neutered by political correct double-speak and the thought police) to impose sharia law here in the United States of America.
Our government, from both parties, are so evil that the only thing standing in the way of this government destroying the whole world with its global agenda is the American people with their 2nd amendment guaranteeing our rights to carry our guns that they can't infringe upon; thank God for our founding fathers - they understood things 21st century Americans just don't get because the Big Gov out of DC don't want them to.
Now that confirmation of the truth is getting out - I fear for my America. The same group that brought us 9/11 will not fail to do it again to get emotionally driven Americans back in the corral...- ringelman5, on 12/04/2007, -0/+7Methinks you overlook the LOSTreaty, which will among other nice things cede authority to the U.N. which will permit firearms confiscation. Which is what has been their goal all along.
The 2nd Amendment will only matter to those of us to whom the Constitution is the only fundamental law of the land -- bogus treaties notwithstanding -- and of course to those who will have gained a new appreciation for the reason it exists.
- ringelman5, on 12/04/2007, -0/+7Methinks you overlook the LOSTreaty, which will among other nice things cede authority to the U.N. which will permit firearms confiscation. Which is what has been their goal all along.
- BruceDeuce, on 12/04/2007, -5/+32I really wish he had some evidence to give us other than his opinion, otherwise this will just fade away in the night like so many other statements from government officials regarding 9/11.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -25/+49/11 Truthers don't need evidence to be convinced. They just need Alex Jones to drag out a few crackpots.
- Jockdoe, on 12/04/2007, -13/+6Oh my, another "crackpot" former leader of a country. These are the only people you believe normally, politicians? Unless of course their name is Ron Paul.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+22crackpots to JCM = ex italian presidents...german foreign defense ministers...CIA agents...M16 agents...Michael Moore...Gore Vidal and many others.
experts to JCM = Movie critics...magicians....mark roberts- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -19/+4How about scientists from top schools like Cambridge, Perdue, and MIT? How about the fact that every investigation contradicts your silly little theories? Why do you trust government officials and intelligence agency agents only when it advances your twisted agenda? It's hard to take anything you say seriously, especially when you keep listing Michael Moore as someone who is anything but a crackpot.
Who claims that James Meigs and Mark Roberts are experts? They are what Alex Jones claims to be; they actually look into what the experts have written and said.- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -19/+3It's funny. When he's mocking the people that don't believe his theory, he always leaves the scientists out.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -17/+3I'm sure he's wishing that I will forget about them.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -0/+16www.patriotsquestion911.com
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -13/+3How many times do we have to go over this?
I'm starting to think you're on their marketing team, I've never seen ANYONE promote that site so much.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -19/+4How about scientists from top schools like Cambridge, Perdue, and MIT? How about the fact that every investigation contradicts your silly little theories? Why do you trust government officials and intelligence agency agents only when it advances your twisted agenda? It's hard to take anything you say seriously, especially when you keep listing Michael Moore as someone who is anything but a crackpot.
- markvand, on 12/04/2007, -1/+6Basement trolls don't need evidence to be convinced. They just need Fox news to show a fat guy dressed up like bin Laden to know those conspiracy guys are lying. Or a big fat paycheck from www.rentatroll.com of course.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -22/+4You make a great point: namely, this is one man's opinion, unsupported by any actual evidence.
Why is this newsworthy? It isn't. If there was proof that 9/11 was an "inside job", then truthers wouldn't have to trot out every ex-politician and Hollywood has-been that subscribes to their "movement". - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+25^^^ I can actually sense the frustration and anger in their posts.
You're right, theblueprint...I'm sure the ex-Italian president is just saying this without any evidence, research or logical conclusions. He just simply wanted to cause a splash and get his name back in the headlines.
Because, in politics, it's common practice just to spout off at the mouth and say whatever you feel. Especially controversial topics like this. I'm sure his career is going to get jump started by this.- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -16/+5"I'm sure the ex-Italian president is just saying this without any evidence..."
That's exactly what he's doing... Do you have links to the evidence he's provided?- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+18so...are you calling an ex president a liar? Keep in mind that he was once part of the establishment before making your answer...
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -16/+5Yes, card... I'm calling him a liar.
I don't love the establishment. That's just a ***** truther tactic to dismiss people who disagree. I'm actually much more skeptical than you are; if you were as skeptical as me, you would recognize that you're championing allegations that aren't supported by facts. - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -16/+5Yes. That is exactly what we're doing.
If Nixon (yes I realize he's dead) came out and said it was an inside job, would you believe him just because he's an ex-President? - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+14Hortnon I wouldn't "believe" anyone. I would take it into account, though. Actually, Nixon announcing 911 was an inside job would be huge news.
Of course, if any one person comes out and says something, I'm not going to just believe him.
But when it becomes a trend for people in high position to speak out about 911, then I'm going to listen. For someone in power to say 911 was an inside job, they are obviously risking a lot and gaining little...i wonder why they would say it...it's obviously much easier to tow the official line. - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -13/+5Attention. That's what they gain. That's what any truther gains. Being in the spotlight.
If he had announced he thought Al-Qaeda did it, do you think he would've frontpaged Digg today? - theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -11/+5"But when it becomes a trend for people in high position to speak out about 911, then I'm going to listen"
When have any of these people in "high positions" ever provided a shed of proof? If they have access to all of their country's intelligence offices, wouldn't they be able to provide some form of evidence to prove their allegation? - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+9"Attention. That's what they gain. That's what any truther gains. Being in the spotlight.
If he had announced he thought Al-Qaeda did it, do you think he would've frontpaged Digg today?"
So you think the ex Italian president is just looking for the spotlight on digg? Never mind the hit his image is going to take around the mainstream...he just wants to be popular on digg!
hahahahaa you guys are something else - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -9/+4Well, to be fair, not JUST Digg. It's getting reported elsewhere.
But, yeah, I think that's all he's in it for. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+9but horty if we're the fringe lunatics whom no one believes...then how would this gain him positive exposure? Most Americans (and people outside of Italy) don't even know who this guy is so how is it helping him?
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -16/+5Yes, card... I'm calling him a liar.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+18so...are you calling an ex president a liar? Keep in mind that he was once part of the establishment before making your answer...
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -16/+5"I'm sure the ex-Italian president is just saying this without any evidence..."
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -18/+7How about an article in a professional engineering journal?
http://www.digg.com/politics/Structure_How_the_Fai ...- Jockdoe, on 12/04/2007, -3/+16lmao what 39 schmucks dugg that XD
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -17/+4Care to explain why those who dugg that submission are schmucks?
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -18/+4Yeah, those schmucks....facts and evidence, you don't need that, right?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -15/+4You have an article in an engineering journal refuting this article? I didn't think so. All you have is a disgraced former professor from BYU and an unpublished architect with a website.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+13"You have an article in an engineering journal refuting this article?"
You guys have degrees in engineering to verify this article, or are you just believing it on faith?
One column brings down a whole building hahahahaaha...if it was so easy to point this out where's NIST's report, boys?- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -11/+5Cardism of the day, right here folks!
Paraphrase:
"You guys don't have degrees so you can't prove your claims! But I can talk about structural engineering!" - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+10so....without a degree i can't talk about it? hmmmmm
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -7/+4I didn't say that; You did.
You claimed we didn't have the expertise to comment, then you commented. Man, your comprehension is getting so bad you can't even understand what you've said. Sad.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -11/+5Cardism of the day, right here folks!
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -12/+4Faith has nothing to do with it, accreditation does:
The National Council of Structural Engineers Associations
The Council of American Structural Engineers
The Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers
- Jockdoe, on 12/04/2007, -3/+16lmao what 39 schmucks dugg that XD
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+25bohica i'm starting a new demolition company. To reduce cost drastically, instead of hooking up demolition charges to all the columns in a building, we're going to just knock out one.
You want to invest with me?- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+4Depends on how the building is constructed, of course. You took that into account, right?
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+16oh of course. Only 40+ story steel framed buildings.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+4What does the frame have to do with it?
- Herostratus, on 12/04/2007, -4/+10You're a real structural engineer aren't you...
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -12/+4No, I'm trying to prove card51 also doesn't have the expertise to comment. Thanks for pointing it out early.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+11horty i'ma do exactly what happened on 911.
a 40 + story steel skyscraper fell from one column failing...right? - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -9/+3I don't know, the report hasn't been finalized, and no conflicting studies have been done.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+16oh of course. Only 40+ story steel framed buildings.
- Look4Truth, on 12/04/2007, -1/+18I guess you're going to be my competition Card, I'm starting a company that utilizes waste basket fires to bring them down since they tell us that a few small fires melts the steel in a large building all at once. Maybe we can consolidate some of our information and bring them down even faster.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -14/+3Forget the melt *****, no one ever claimed that.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+12remember to have a few random generators lying around..they bring down buildings quick.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+4Depends on how the building is constructed, of course. You took that into account, right?
- ultrawave, on 01/18/2008, -0/+1wait a minute. you folks are claiming there is no evidence? that the former president of Italy is a crackpot? this is the man who exposed operation gladio - where the cia/mi6 was carrying out terror attacks throughout Italy. The same cia & mi6 that overthrew the democratic Iranian president via false flag terror attacks, the same cia who blew up the cuban plane and claimed it was cuban radicals. the same guys who are now funding sadaams former henchmen (who have killed our troops), the same guys who created al-queda to fight the Russians, the same guys who flew al-queda to Kosovo and called them the KLA (the Kosovo Liberation Army) the same guys who just shredded all of the evidence of torture, the same guys who killed and lied about Pat Tillman, the same ones who lied about Jessica Lynch, the same ones who provided us the bogus tapes of Iranian terror boats and of course the same ones who dropped pallet loads of US dollars into Iraq (to be "lost"), the same ones in the early days of the Iraq war allowed huge depots of weapons to stand unprotected - thus allowing "insurgents" to arm/re-arm and kill our guys...
But yes of course, the former president of italy is a nut. "Our guys" who consistently lie to us are correct. They would have never conducted a false flag op like they have consistently done in the past.
If any of you can stick to the topic, we can talk evidence and it has nothing to do with how the towers were brought down or missiles that hit the Pentagon. If you have even a fundamental understanding of military and faa standard operating procedure - you will quickly understand that insiders had to provide the means for the attacks to occur. Further you have ignore the findings & history of able danger, not to mention the numbers of fbi guys who came forward - including John Oneil who had the sights on Bin Laden & 911, only to be chastised, run out of the agency - to get a job at world trade with Kroll - to then get blown up on 911 in the towers - his first day on the job.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -25/+49/11 Truthers don't need evidence to be convinced. They just need Alex Jones to drag out a few crackpots.
- yellowbox98, on 12/04/2007, -38/+3I disagree with Alex, when he says Global Warming is not real. Look at the hottest years on record, the last 5 were in the last 10 years. Do a google search.
Also The bible Predicts the future, and has always been accurate. and this is what the bible says:
Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days."
So then sun is getting hotter, and will continue to get hotter, until it is 7 times hotter during the tribulation period, and then go completely out.- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -2/+16Just because there's evidence the sun is getting hotter doesn't mean that that means global warming is real.
The whole global warming bunk is a huge power grab - kind of like prohibition was but only now on a global scale.
The powerful ruling elite (the Bush compound in Paraguay comes to mind) our going to push global warming as a pretext to produce some population control - not because earth can't sustain more billions of people, but because the super rich fear the masses catching on to their ill-gotten-gains over the years... - Jrogan, on 12/04/2007, -18/+4The Bible is a book written by Jews............................Nothing More
All religion is about control..................One the biggest problems I have with Alex Jones is that he actually believes in that garbage- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -0/+15how does someone else's beliefs affect you?
- Jrogan, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4Are you kidding?
Let me think ....Morons believe the official government story........that affects me
Zealots believe Islam is out to destroy them......That affects me
Christian right fools believe the End of Days and Israel needs to be in Jewish hands so Christ can come again.....
IT ALL AFFECTS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Jrogan, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4Are you kidding?
- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -2/+8Jrogan, you need to wake up and drink some coffee or something...
My G-d man, "All religion is about control..." Perhaps had you had some coffee you'd have included an exception to your rant.
Fact, One religion is an exception - and it's not even a religion, but a relationship - and this relationship, the end result that says in a person's heart "there is a Holy God, and I'm not Him..." among other things - is the very thing that is required for a Constitutional Republic such as the one our founding fathers gave us, in that in a Constitutional Representative Republic, we have self control and police ourselves; wherein, without this personal relationship with the Creator of the universe, and this relationship in sufficient numbers, society will spiral into chaos such as we have today in America, and will require the state do what the masses can not do for themselves, because in and of themselves they do not have self control.- Jrogan, on 12/04/2007, -3/+4Garbage........Religion poison's everything! It is responsible for the worst behavior mankind has to offer. To assume we have no innate ability to tell good from bad or exhibit self-control without religion is ridiculous and false. we would not have evolved over thousands or years before Religion if that was the case.
Religion is a lie, meant to control and keep mankind in bondage....very similar to the 9/11 lie....It is based on fear
Time to grow up! - ringelman5, on 12/04/2007, -0/+3Jrogan, I wonder if you've ever read "Lord of the Flies". Good example of just how much 'inate ability' exists in the heart of Man.
I have to say that I agree with your last statement but only to the extent of **organized** religion, which also serves as a conduit of wealth to the head preacher.
- Jrogan, on 12/04/2007, -3/+4Garbage........Religion poison's everything! It is responsible for the worst behavior mankind has to offer. To assume we have no innate ability to tell good from bad or exhibit self-control without religion is ridiculous and false. we would not have evolved over thousands or years before Religion if that was the case.
- yellowbox98, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4Jrogan:
I respect your beliefs, but i was not talking about relgion, i was simply saying the accuracy of the bible predictions. the bible has told the future and so far 300 things came true, so i am saying what the bible says next will happen. and i believe it, The bible talks about the New Wolrd Order takeover in Revelation and Daniel.- Jrogan, on 12/04/2007, -3/+2Oh really 300 eh?....name them.....
You can interpret things like the bible 1000 different ways......Give me one specific Example that is easily linked to something that has happened? - cococooky, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2That's because the Illuminati are using the bible as a blueprint for world domination. Their plan is to kill off 90% of the world's population, and make the remainder their slaves. Perfect. they will create a fake anticrist and christ...you wait and see.
- Jrogan, on 12/04/2007, -3/+2Oh really 300 eh?....name them.....
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -0/+15how does someone else's beliefs affect you?
- tman84, on 12/04/2007, -2/+14well thats because the sun is getting larger every day, about 10% larger every billion years. in 4 billion years it will be almost 50% larger than it is today, 500,000 million years after that it will be a dwarf star.
the moon also drifts away from the earth at a rate of 1/2 inch a year
but these naturally occurring fluxes that have been going on for trillions of years mean absolutely nothing, in mankind's greatest feat of narcissism we have decided that we are the cause of global warming, and the only way to fix it is to tax people - 790RobotHead, on 12/04/2007, -1/+15Alex does NOT say that Global warming is not real. He says MAN MADE global warming is not real. Get the facts correct before you disagree. Thank you.W
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -0/+14yellowbox do you listen to Alex? Of course global warming is real human's just aren't adding to it. Of course the sun is heating up that's why the ice caps on Jupiter's moons are melting. He says this all the time.
It was 15 degrees hotter world wide in the bronze age. There was an ice age...in the 1980's all the top scientists were saying we're heading into another ice age...look it up.- yellowbox98, on 12/04/2007, -1/+7okay, i see, well its the sun thats getting hotter. i can see that.
- maxtangent, on 12/04/2007, -1/+6The notion that the last five years have been the hottest on record has been debunked. The hottest years were in the 1930's. Look that up too.
- yellowbox98, on 12/04/2007, -1/+5I did, it was america was the hottest since the 1930's i agree. however globally, the world, has been the hottest in the past 10 years.
- maxtangent, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2No, there were many issues with data. Check out this site and the links it provides:http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/revise ...
This has no effect on your biblical predictions, however. They may be quite valid in any case, for all I know.
- maxtangent, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2No, there were many issues with data. Check out this site and the links it provides:http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/revise ...
- yellowbox98, on 12/04/2007, -1/+5I did, it was america was the hottest since the 1930's i agree. however globally, the world, has been the hottest in the past 10 years.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 12/05/2007, -1/+2You know nothing about the phases of a stars lifespan. lol. You're like a bible thumper who says the earth was created in 6 days. "the sun will go completely out"... what? in 2 years? looool. My god... these are the people we're debating with.
- wilde1studio, on 10/30/2008, -0/+0Canada's last winter was the coldest in 12 years, as it was for many other parts of the world. It looks like we're heading for another nasty one here with heavy snowfall already reported in many regions. Taxing CO2 emissions is akin to taxing the air you exhale. Life as we know it would not exist without CO2. Global Warming my ass ... it's a Global Ripoff!
- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -2/+16Just because there's evidence the sun is getting hotter doesn't mean that that means global warming is real.
- biggD, on 12/04/2007, -1/+34viva italia
- alittlebrookie, on 12/04/2007, -0/+33This is a big story -- can someone source the original italian newspaper article? There is no link in the story.
- alittlebrookie, on 12/04/2007, -0/+16Found it -- but need a good translation of the entire article:
http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osa ...
- alittlebrookie, on 12/04/2007, -0/+16Found it -- but need a good translation of the entire article:
- icyhot, on 12/04/2007, -4/+46CRRRRAAACK!!!
That's the sound of the dam of lies breaking. Only the scared sheeple in the US are the ones who still think bin Laden did it.- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -24/+6He said that he was going to get us, he said that the did this. I'm sorry if the methods of communications among these terrorist groups make it hard to find more evidence, but I think an admission of guilt is enough.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -5/+19so you trust the most wanted terrorist at his word? Wouldn't he want to claim credit for it? Makes him look like a hero to his followers.
John Mark Karr admitted to killing Jon Benoit earlier this year.- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -21/+5Please prove government complicity in the attacks, Grandmaster B.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -6/+19i can't do that in a digg comment jcm...you see, there's no letter signed by the administration saying "WE DID IT".
You have to connect the dots...if you can't do that, don't get mad at us. We can see it clear as day...you know all our evidence, anyways. If it doesn't convince you then fine. You're way too intelligent for us anyways.- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+6Sorry, playing a child's game doesn't work in actual legal proceedings. It's time you truthers learned this.
If you want any legal accountability for any of this, you MUST have documents and proof saying 'WE DID IT'. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+17^^^ yeah because all cases brought to court have a document signed by the defendant detailing the exact crime
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -14/+6Well, a murder weapon with their finger prints is like signing a document saying they did it. Or leaving DNA behind.
You know...evidence?
It's impossible to convict someone based on circumstantial evidence alone. - Herostratus, on 12/04/2007, -2/+10If the WMD fits you must acquit
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -13/+5Well, I just familiarized myself with the Peterson trial. That thing was a joke and a media circus. You really want to equate that to your goal in 9/11 truth-seeking?
Further, having something to hide and planning to demolish the buildings are two things that have no direct correlation with each other. - artemus, on 12/04/2007, -0/+7No, Hork, he is equating your sophistry to the Scott Pederson trial.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -17/+6Sorry, playing a child's game doesn't work in actual legal proceedings. It's time you truthers learned this.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -19/+6You can't do it at all, card. I've been asking you and others to provide any kind of credible evidence of any kind for weeks now and you haven't produced anything. I've been researching this for a very long time and I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe that our government was involved in the attacks. If you have evidence that proves otherwise then you need to post it sooner rather than later. Let's see what you've got.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+8lemme get this straight...you've asked me for weeks for evidence and supposedly i haven't given you anything adequate and you're still here every day asking me for evidence?
Seriously man...get a life. - Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -7/+4You're still here every day making your false accusations and spreading your lies. All I'm asking you to do is provide credible, verifiable evidence that any one of your theories is correct and you've never been able or willing to do it. Why? What's keeping you from proving all of us wrong with irrefutable information? You could put an end to all of this by simply showing us that you're right. You'd be a hero among the brain dead and easily led, card. Think about it. Show us the evidence that you have that proves us wrong. Or tell us honestly why you can't. No smart ass answers or sarcasm, just the evidence. Can you do it?
- keithgplayer, on 12/04/2007, -4/+20Wow, I'm amazed. All you need is a confession from OBL, (and a bad fake OBL I might add)but when it comes to the truthers side, you need peer- reviewed documentation, actual steel from the trade centers, and for them to dismantle the entire 9-11 commission report with proof. I see you have absolutely no bias on this subject whatsoever.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -15/+7Actually, we have peer-reviewed papers on our side, and that's what we believe. That's the extent of the argument; That the towers collapsed as a result of the fires started when commercial airliners crashed into them. The other stuff about terrorists then becomes very likely, but still not 100% proven. Someone taking responsiblity, of course, lends credence.
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -5/+15
We have peer reviewed papers AND steel from WTC AND the analyses and squib footage
AND the testimony of those who were there, but it's still not enough for those who work from
'scripted talking points'!- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -13/+7No, you don't have peer-reviewed papers.
Also, your testimony shows two things, one of which is proof of nothing, and one of which compeltely contradicts your overall theory:
Explosions were heard at WTC.
A commerciial airliner hit the Pentagon. - theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -13/+7"We have peer reviewed papers..."
I don't need to quote any further to prove you're completely full of *****. Where is this peer reviewed paper? - Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -8/+4"We have peer reviewed papers AND steel from WTC AND the analyses and squib footage"
There are no peer reviewed papers that support any of the truther theories.
If you're talking about the piece of metal that Steven Jones has, it's completely undocumented and nobody knows where it came from.
The only analysis that I've seen has been the analysis that Steven Jones did on that piece of undocumented metal he claims came from the WTC. All that analysis did was prove that there was no thermate present in the WTC.
I've seen every piece of footage of the collapse that I have been able to find and and there are no squibs visible in any of them.
You fail. You fail on a monumental level. In the Hall of Failures your statue will be given a prominent position. If failure were money you'd be the next Bill Gates. Now begone, troll. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+6really? we fail? is that why you are dugg dowwwwwwwwn and we go uuuuuuuuuuuuuup?!
haha
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -13/+7No, you don't have peer-reviewed papers.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+9"Actually, we have peer-reviewed papers on our side"
You mean peer-reviewed paper...that just came out.- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -11/+5You think that's the only one? Heh, now I know you don't give a ***** about the truth. Well done, card, you have, in one comment, discredited every claim about wanting to to know the truth that you will ever make.
Man, I wish I could save this comment. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+10Yeah, you're right..i don't give a ***** about any paper that claims that one column could take down a building...do you realize how insane of a theory that is?
I guarantee, if we said that 3 months ago you'd be laughing so hard. - Look4Truth, on 12/04/2007, -3/+10It doesn't matter what the government tells them, they'll believe it. If you want a pure definition of how brainwashing works, just look at the bashers and the insane theories they believe in. First it was fire. Then debris. Then it was fire and debris. Then it was generators exploding (that one makes me laugh, the building imploded not exploded). And now their new conspiracy theory is that one column in a building with many can be taken out causing the entire structure to fail at once.
Heh, it would be laughable if it weren't so painful to watch these people slumber around in ignorance. - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -9/+5Go ahead, deflect, card. You wouldn't want anyone to know you're absolutely full of *****, right? I mean, I knew it, but I'm surprised it took this long for you to admit it openly.
@look
I really wish you'd stop making things up about what I believe in and why. It makes you look like an idiot. Well, so does every comment you make, but that's beside the point...
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -11/+5You think that's the only one? Heh, now I know you don't give a ***** about the truth. Well done, card, you have, in one comment, discredited every claim about wanting to to know the truth that you will ever make.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -5/+19so you trust the most wanted terrorist at his word? Wouldn't he want to claim credit for it? Makes him look like a hero to his followers.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -24/+6He said that he was going to get us, he said that the did this. I'm sorry if the methods of communications among these terrorist groups make it hard to find more evidence, but I think an admission of guilt is enough.
- HughManBeing, on 12/04/2007, -1/+28http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/12/forme ... Original Blog Post with full Links to Italian Paper etc.
- WTC7WasPulled, on 12/04/2007, -4/+48Absolutely HUGE! How can anyone deny a former President of Italy? We all know, its time more people speak out!
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -22/+6Again, how can you deny what 99% of the world's leaders say?
- Jockdoe, on 12/04/2007, -4/+18You are the one here who is entertaining 'double-think' saying the Bush administration doesn't lie, but any other leader, former or present, that doesn't agree with your own mindset does? Wow :S
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -18/+7Please list the world leaders who disagree with the "9/11 was carried out by a bunch of crazy Muslims" theory.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -20/+7Who said that the Bush administration doesn't lie? Why are you so willing to believe the unsupported word of an Italian politician and refuse to believe the results of dozens of independent studies which prove that NIST got it right? I think that this speaks to your mindset, Jocko.
- seanoz, on 12/04/2007, -2/+5Herkimer, show me the independent studies that prove NIST got it right?
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -3/+5http://www.luxinzheng.net/publications/english_WTC ...
http://www.hera.org.nz/PDF%20Files/Elaboration%20o ...
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServ ...
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/
http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-3/D-Spot ...
There are plenty of others. Just hang around a bit. I'm sure that someone will post more. - ringelman5, on 12/05/2007, -1/+2Herky forgot Popular Mechanix.........
LMAO
- Jockdoe, on 12/04/2007, -3/+15So its true, your beliefs are those of a person who is, by no fault of their own, unable to face reality. Most of us this side of the fence challenged our beliefs and had the courage to come to the unsavory truth. However it seems that a certain percentile of the populous is unable to literally, change their mind, they've become 'set in their ways'. We know its not your fault, but if you want to be open to the truth then i would recommend looking inward, and not just after you finish reading this sentence but for a while to try to come to terms with the way things are, as opposed to the way we would wish them to be.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -4/+5Stare in to your belly button all day, jocko, but it's not going to change the facts. Self-reflection does not change the laws of physics nor does it allow you to simply disregard all evidence that does not support your silly beliefs. Either you understand the science of this or you do not. Clearly you do not.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+18you've spoken to to all the other world leaders? How do you know what they think?
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -18/+8I don't know what they think and neither do you. I know what they say publicly. If the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job was so overwhelming you would see countries that don't like us (especially Russia, since they have the world class military and clandestine community) showing the evidence to the world.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+15no you wouldn't because then they would lose their stranglehold over the people. People would no longer trust government and the false flag, one of the most influential tools government has, would be moot.
Plus, the minute they would start coming out with it, we would either make them look like crazies or start building up for a war against them.
Chavez and Admenijad have said 9/11 was an inside job because they aren't part of the global elite (still assholes, though)- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -17/+7"Start building up a war" against RUSSIA??? You are an idiot, Grandmaster B. BTW, haven't you ever wondered why Prisonplanet submissions NEVER make it to the front page? Even among digg's large population of moonbat users, you guys are considered to be nuts.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -3/+15"Even among digg's large population of moonbat users, you guys are considered to be nuts."
That must be why ron paul has double the friends on here then any other candidate. - jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -13/+6So you're saying that Ron Paul is a 9/11 Truther?
- artemus, on 12/04/2007, -2/+5No, he's saying that you are a liar.
- ringelman5, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2Hey, JCMengele267, if the damn Russkis "don't like us", why the hell have we been giving them GIVING THEM billions of dollars every frikkin year? Or the damn redchinks either, for that matter.......
Could this be just another version of Chamberlainism? Or maybe it's all just one big frikkin show for the sheeple as we plod along obliviously.........
BTW, the Cinese have pretty good intelligence, too. Didn't they manage to grab nuke secrets from Rocky Flats?
- Jockdoe, on 12/04/2007, -4/+18You are the one here who is entertaining 'double-think' saying the Bush administration doesn't lie, but any other leader, former or present, that doesn't agree with your own mindset does? Wow :S
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -19/+7"How can anyone deny a former President of Italy?"
Because he hasn't offered a shred of proof or new evidence to back up his allegations. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+17"How can anyone deny a former President of Italy?"
You have yet to witness denial as powerful as that on digg.- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -17/+6I'll be happy to Digg and make "My #1" this story if it comes with proof of the allegations he's making. Would you like to direct me to this proof so that we can "join forces"?
- Herostratus, on 12/04/2007, -3/+11google 9/11 mysteries or 9/11 the road to tyranny or Loose Change or any number of other similar videos. If you dont beleive what you are hearing and seeing look it up for yourself. Just stay away from any data that comes from a government agency or major corporation that has strong ties to the fed and you will find what you seek.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -12/+6"google 9/11 mysteries or 9/11 the road to tyranny or Loose Change or any number of other similar videos."
No, Hero. I'm asking for independent, verifiable evidence. Videos posted to the internet aren't evidence, they're entertainment. I want peer-reviewed papers published by relevant academics. I want a paper trail, or a money trail, or recorded conversations. I want foreign intelligence documents proving the allegations.
I don't trust the government. I don't trust major corporations (not even Apple). I do trust science and the peer-review process. I need a solid, complete version of EXACTLY what the "truth" movement alleges on 9/11... I need to see a uniform, agreed upon thesis supported by independent evidence.
Show me that instead of movies, and I'll join you. Until then, I am going to base my argument on the facts as they stand now... and those facts strongly indicate that there was no such "inside job". - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+9so theblueprint...you don't trust 150+ architects and engineers who say the building was blown up? Why not? What agenda do you think they have?
Is it because they didn't write a paper that some other guy you don't know approved?
Wouldn't you at least take them into account and demand a new investigation?
How can you discount almost 200 building experts who say 9/11 was a joke? - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -11/+5We might trust them if they would DO anything besides simply stating they think it's an inside job. Say, a detailed analysis. A published paper. Something.
- onetimer, on 12/04/2007, -11/+5Obviously, if 911 was an inside job, it would require hundreds of participants. All that would be needed for me to join the truthers is a forensically verifiable recording of US government officials planning the details of the attack. Or even documents that could be verified were pre-911 that described a plan for the attacks. Hell even if a couple of "participants" came out and provided collaborated testimony on how they carried out the attacks, as long as their stories were backed up by the evidence found in the remains, I would be at the very least quite interested.
Every other Scandal that can be attributed to the US government has had records surface which implicate government officials in their involvement. Watergate is a good example. Another would be the documents found that suggest the US was planing on framing cuba as a pre-text to invade in the early '60s.
My beliefs aren't set in stone about anything in this universe. If I see verifiable documents/records, hell, even an independently peer-reviewed scientific paper in a credible journal would get me interested. Until then, I'm going to have to side with the theory that has more evidence to support it. - theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -10/+5@card51
I realize that you're intentionally missing my point, so I'll repost the part of my comment relevant to any reply you might offer:
"I want peer-reviewed papers published by relevant academics. I want a paper trail, or a money trail, or recorded conversations. I want foreign intelligence documents proving the allegations."
Put up or shut up... show me the evidence. - card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+7"We might trust them if they would DO anything besides simply stating they think it's an inside job. Say, a detailed analysis. A published paper. Something."
We don't want you to TRUST anyone. Simply take them into account since they are all experts in the field and they all deny it. You expect every member of the group to come out with their own paper on the subject? Richard Gage has all his information in a video form which is 100 times better than paper. You can watch the movie then use your expertise to tell us why it is evil terrorist propaganda.
"Obviously, if 911 was an inside job, it would require hundreds of participants."
Who said that? How is that obvious?
"Or even documents that could be verified were pre-911 that described a plan for the attacks. Hell even if a couple of "participants" came out and provided collaborated testimony on how they carried out the attacks"
So you think people in the government signed a document saying "we are going to attack our own citizens" then stamped it and put it in their file folder?!
You think a participant of one of the most henious crimes in history is going to just suddenly come forward, with no motivation?
"Every other Scandal that can be attributed to the US government has had records surface which implicate government officials in their involvement."
Ummmm and how did you verify this? How do you know that there were scandals that haven't come out that had no trail of paperwork?
@theblueprint
So you think that 150+ architects and engineers isn't expert testimony?
Owned. - onetimer, on 12/04/2007, -8/+5Well for the inside job theory to be possible, one, the towers would have to be lined with explosives. And two, the tons (I mean weight) of physical evidence of explosives in the rubble would have to be systematically removed without those who were not "in on it" finding out. The cleanup crew consisted of hundreds of members, so at the very least you would have to have them "in on it" or otherwise someone finding just one blasting cap would ruin the whole thing.
Umm, yes, there would be a paper trail. Even to demolish the smallest buildings, demolition specialists working alongside ATF, Fire fighters, and other officials have to plan extensively to make sure everything goes according to plan. They have to figure out how much and what kind of explosives to use, and where/how much to place at particular points. Even small demolitions require somewhat extensive amount of documents containing the information on how they are going to execute the demolition. If it were an inside job, there would have to be Extensive planning to accomplish such a feat while hiding all the evidence for it. The necessary secrecy of the situation would make things magnitudes more complicated. Unless you're suggesting those who planned the attack did the whole thing verbally, committed it to memory (every intricate detail on where the explosives would go and how to connect them), and then executed in tandem without any kind of communication. That would truly be the greatest feat ever pulled, far beyond the scope of any existing human's cognitive ability. - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -8/+4card, you seem to have trouble with complicated terms, so let me lay it out for you.
First up,
tes·ti·mo·ny /ˈtɛstəˌmoʊni/
–noun, plural -nies.
1. Law. the statement or declaration of a witness under oath or affirmation, usually in court.
2. evidence in support of a fact or statement; proof.
Well, they don't have any evidence or proof, so they can't make any statements of it. And of course, they aren't under oath.
So, that was easy. No, we don't have testimony of 150 experts.
ev·i·dence /ˈɛvɪdəns/
–noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
They have none of these; No data presented in court (too chicken to try, maybe?), they have nothing that is a sign of anything else, and they have nothing that proves anything.
Again, easy. In 2 word definitions, I have disproven you and the 150 experts. But I'm not done!
proof /pruf/
–noun
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
Self-explanatory, I hope. But, if you need help with the big words and concepts, send me a shout, and I promise to help you out, k?
Finally,
v. owned, 0wned, pwned, 0wn3d, pwn3d, own3d.
To be made a fool of; To make a fool of; To confound or prove wrong; embarrasing someone: Being embarrased.
Declaring this does not necessarily make it true. And, as I have shown, you and your so-called "experts" have proven nothing. - Herostratus, on 12/04/2007, -2/+3If you watch those 3 videos they will provide you with the documents themselves as well as the names of said documents for you to look up on your own. Conversations between first responders and HQ are also on there etc etc etc. The fact is that I am providing you with the means to educate yourself, whereas you want to be spoonfed. Well guess what. Rude awakening. I'm not your bitch and I have better things to do with my time then to help you learn to read and research. On the other hand I am working on a blog that will incorporate all info and documents that you are requesting when all is said and done. Meanwhile the first post is a few days behind and will take a couple more days. Patience
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -12/+6"google 9/11 mysteries or 9/11 the road to tyranny or Loose Change or any number of other similar videos."
- Herostratus, on 12/04/2007, -3/+11google 9/11 mysteries or 9/11 the road to tyranny or Loose Change or any number of other similar videos. If you dont beleive what you are hearing and seeing look it up for yourself. Just stay away from any data that comes from a government agency or major corporation that has strong ties to the fed and you will find what you seek.
- theblueprint, on 12/04/2007, -17/+6I'll be happy to Digg and make "My #1" this story if it comes with proof of the allegations he's making. Would you like to direct me to this proof so that we can "join forces"?
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -22/+6Again, how can you deny what 99% of the world's leaders say?
- HughManBeing, on 12/04/2007, -1/+37Original Italian Newspaper Article - http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osa ...
- LucidOne, on 12/04/2007, -1/+35The traitors who perpetrated this heinous act must be brought to justice! The United States cannot survive without it! We need to establish citizen courts to investigate and try the guilty parties!
- ljrow49, on 12/04/2007, -1/+35Truth is light. The cockroaches are frantic. We must act. Send this story to your local papers. 1 in 1000 might carry it.
- Cadmium77, on 12/04/2007, -3/+33I'll tell you what will happen to this story; nothing.
Go read Webster Tarpley's 911;Synthetic Terror. In it he quotes the highly respected former German Chancellor Helmut Schmit. Chancellor Schmit said that the NATO involvement in Afghanistan is illegal as the USA never proved that the attack of 911 came from an external enemy.
How many people picked up on this?
No one.
The fact is that there is a large percentage of Americans WHO DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. THEY WANT A HUGE WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THEY DON'T CARE HOW THEY GET IT.- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -1/+18Cadmium77 - the fact is, there's a huge percentage of Americans who hate lies, deception and secrets, many secrets by a corrupt Federal Government, to whom it is not beneath them to use the natural patriotic emotions of a huge percentage of Americans, and then, under false pretenses using that very real and natural patriotic emotion of this nation and steer that emotion to go and fight wars having absolutely nothing to do with some trumped up 'war on terror' banner (oil 18.00 dollars when King Jorge came into office - is now around 100.00, Bush a big oil man - as is Dick-boy) and everything to do with making a handful of people filthy rich.
You can't fault Americans for being wrong at the beginning in their having limited knowledge of what our ruling elites were up to. We may not have known about the secret evils at work at the beginning with 9/11; but more and more are catching up to the truth which does put us as a nation on a collision course with those ruling over us out of WDC; which might be a good time to pray for America, as we're most vulnerable the more Americans wake up to the secrets being withheld from them by this government in DC.- Cadmium77, on 12/04/2007, -1/+6I'm praying that the American people wake up and get hopping mad, damn, shooting angry every day.
- VinBea, on 12/04/2007, -1/+18Cadmium77 - the fact is, there's a huge percentage of Americans who hate lies, deception and secrets, many secrets by a corrupt Federal Government, to whom it is not beneath them to use the natural patriotic emotions of a huge percentage of Americans, and then, under false pretenses using that very real and natural patriotic emotion of this nation and steer that emotion to go and fight wars having absolutely nothing to do with some trumped up 'war on terror' banner (oil 18.00 dollars when King Jorge came into office - is now around 100.00, Bush a big oil man - as is Dick-boy) and everything to do with making a handful of people filthy rich.
- jackaleo, on 12/04/2007, -3/+25world cup champions
the best cars in the world
the best food in the world
the best clothes in the world
the best people in the world
we know the truth.
FORZA ITALIA!
take this to the bank.- AlexLibman, on 12/04/2007, -1/+17Best cars in the world, if you can afford your own mechanic that is. ;-)
Congradz again on the world cup win, and now this. Go Italy!- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -2/+6Ferraris are MUCH easier to maintain than Porsches!
- ringelman5, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2So is my Mercedes 300D
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -2/+6Ferraris are MUCH easier to maintain than Porsches!
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -15/+6n/m
- RoyLuhza, on 12/29/2007, -0/+1You all pay twelve and a half percent to the Mafia, and have not got the cojones to say no...
- AlexLibman, on 12/04/2007, -1/+17Best cars in the world, if you can afford your own mechanic that is. ;-)
- jackaleo, on 12/04/2007, -5/+17world cup champions
the best cars in the world
the best food in the world
the best clothes in the world
the best people in the world
we know the truth.
FORZA ITALIA!
take this to the bank.- jamiebenzy, on 12/04/2007, -1/+7Get me a job so I can move there. I'll learn the language.
- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -48/+5Another duplicate entry courtesy of the spammers over at Prisonplanet. Buried.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+29i was wondering where you guys were.
Why is the ex-Italian president brainwashed by Alex Jones? Is the ex-Italian president just trying to make Alex some extra cash? This is all a money making scheme, right?- jcm267, on 12/04/2007, -29/+4Keep it up, strawman.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+23jcm that's the only reasonable conclusion I can make. You've been saying anyone that thinks 9/11 is an inside job is an idiot brainwashed by alex jones.
I might be jumping to conclusions but i think alex either warped his brain with his brainwashing ray or just paid him some of the billions he has from his DVD sales.
Either way this ex Italian president should be sent to Gitmo for aiding Al Qaeda.
- TruthWillWin, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2You got serious issues man... you got bigger denial problems than any German ever had...
bless your uninformed, propagandized soul.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+29i was wondering where you guys were.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -43/+4I love the fact that this guy pulls this from his ass with absolutely nothing to back up his story and the truthers go berserk. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+22those crazy truthers! When will they learn that ex-president's don't have any pull or say about anything. They hardly understand how anything works.
Herk...just keep on keeping on, man. The people will soon realize what an expert Digger you are and they'll come around to your side.
Don't give up!!! - Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -28/+4Did he provide any kind of documentation? Any recordings of meetings where he was given this information? All we have is the word of a facist and, frankly, that's not good enough.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+21no! he's a liar! Herkimer has the truth!
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -11/+4Sarcasm instead of rational thought. You must be completely out of arguments, card. Why would you refuse to believe some people without evidence to back up what they're saying but you're more than willing to believe this guy and he doesn't have to prove that anything he says is true? Your double standards are showing, card.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+7who has the evidence to back it up? I read the 911 commission report. It is wrong.
We need a new investigation.
I take your guys into account...I realize there are two sides to the argument and I'm ready to see a new investigation tackle the questions...but, unlike you, I don't refuse to see the opposition as having any valid points.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+7who has the evidence to back it up? I read the 911 commission report. It is wrong.
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -11/+4Sarcasm instead of rational thought. You must be completely out of arguments, card. Why would you refuse to believe some people without evidence to back up what they're saying but you're more than willing to believe this guy and he doesn't have to prove that anything he says is true? Your double standards are showing, card.
- Akufen, on 12/04/2007, -1/+16You've got the official version from a bunch of fascists too and that seemed to have convinced a lot of people.
- phenry50BMG, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3Just when I think there is a limit to idiocy, you show up and prove me wrong. Thank you.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -4/+21no! he's a liar! Herkimer has the truth!
- kayaker712, on 12/06/2007, -0/+2wow sounds just like you herkimer.
- TruthWillWin, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2denial is an extremely powerfull human response.. don't be to hard on yourself when the truth goes mainstream.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -2/+22those crazy truthers! When will they learn that ex-president's don't have any pull or say about anything. They hardly understand how anything works.
- Look4Truth, on 12/04/2007, -1/+32Add another one to the list. One by one...one by one...
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+41It was hilarious on good morning america the other day...they were interviewing a few 18-20 year olds in Afghanistan and Diane Sawyer asked them what they think about bin laden. They all replied "bin laden? He's a threat that America made up to go to war. Hardly anyone follows him (they later said 1%) and we all know he's with the Americans."
They quickly jumped to a new question.- Look4Truth, on 12/04/2007, -1/+13Where's your peer reviews journals! LIAR! TASE HIM!
- BravoLima, on 12/04/2007, -2/+12Her face fell like WTC7!
- brad3378, on 12/04/2007, -0/+5I'd LOVE to see footage of that on Youtube - do you know when it was on TV?
- cp833, on 12/04/2007, -5/+30OK.. there's something I need to say here which is kind of breaking the mould of these discussions a bit. But it needs to be said anyway.
Whether you think 9/11 was an inside job, or whether you think they let it happen, or whether you think it was in fact done by Al-Qaeda terrorists - IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!
Yes, I really did just say that. Please let me explain.
Regardless of whether they were actually behind it or not, the fact of the matter is (and I hope this is a point we can surely all agree on), the government have been consistently exploiting 9/11 ever since it happened to take away our liberties, bring in Orwellian new laws and acts and influence foreign policies/public opinion.
Believe it or not we are all actually on the same side here. All of us are affected by what the government are doing to us through the use of 9/11 as a political tool. Arguing over whether it was an inside job or not isn't really getting us anywhere because the government are still constantly destroying our freedoms on an almost daily basis and these arguments are doing nothing to stop that.
(If you don't think the government ARE using 9/11 as an excuse to destroy our liberties, just think of the amount of times you've heard 'everything changed since 9/11.. therefore we must do (new policy)'. And just look at Giuliani as an example of just how far politicians will go in exploiting this tragedy)
So instead of constantly bickering back and forth at each other about whether it was an inside job or not, what we need to be doing is working together to stop them doing this ***** to us any more. They are trampling over my and your rights, the Constitution, national sovereignty, etc etc.. all under the pretext of '9/11 happened, so we must do this'.
So long as we are fighting amongst ourselves we are not getting mad with the people we really should be getting mad with. It is the classic 'divide and conquer'. We really need to put our differences aside and focus on what is really important, which is putting our energies into stopping this dangerous trend of trampling over the rights of the people in the name of 'fighting terrorism' before it really is too late and we find ourselves and our children in a total Orwellian nightmare.
Do you agree?- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -24/+5I haven't lost any liberties and I suspect you haven't either.
- cp833, on 12/04/2007, -2/+18Bohica... no offence, really, but sometimes I am amazed at how blind some people choose to be. Do you really think nothing has changed since 9/11 that affects you?
There is too much for me to list right here but please, take a look at this.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/57689/- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -17/+4Its all slippery slope. I am going to venture a guess and say you are nowhere near being declared an enemy combatant. Not now and not 5 years from now in our "Orwellian nightmare" future.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -15/+4So, you've had police in your home and been declared a terrorist? There's a lot of 'can' in that article, and not 'has'.
Sorry, but Bohica's right. The potential for these things to happen in the worst case does mean that they ARE happening. - cp833, on 12/04/2007, -0/+11Not really. That's like someone saying to you 'there are terrorists who want to blow you up and kill you!' and you replying 'So, you've been blown up by a terrorist have you?'
Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't make the threat any less real. - Hortnon, on 12/04/2007, -10/+2I agree that those statements are similar. Don't mistake my calling ***** on 9/11 truth for an endorsement of Bush's tactics.
So, we can agree there is a threat of loss of rights. But that hasn't happened yet, has it?
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -20/+5So please give us one example of how your rights have been violated personally. What has been done to you that was in violation of your constitutional rights and for which you had no legal recourse? Please let us know.
- GwarBeast, on 12/04/2007, -2/+13I think you're missing the point. Just because your rights have not been violated, doesn't mean that the machinery being put in place right now is not going to be used down the road. Even if the next two presidents don't use these tools, the third one could, and you'll be sitting there wondering how the hell this all happened.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -13/+5"down the road" = slippery slope arugment
- artemus, on 12/04/2007, -2/+5Apparently, you fail at logic. What are you, a materialist, or something?
- Herkimer56, on 12/04/2007, -8/+3So nobody's rights have been violated but they might be someday? Is that your argument? If it is I have to tell you that I've been hearing that same argument for more than forty years and it hasn't happened yet.
- card51short, on 12/04/2007, -1/+7so you're over 40 herkimer?
Nice picture on your profile. Announcing the Birth of the New World Order lol. - ringelman5, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4Nothing wrong with being ov
- GwarBeast, on 12/04/2007, -2/+13I think you're missing the point. Just because your rights have not been violated, doesn't mean that the machinery being put in place right now is not going to be used down the road. Even if the next two presidents don't use these tools, the third one could, and you'll be sitting there wondering how the hell this all happened.
- cp833, on 12/04/2007, -2/+18Bohica... no offence, really, but sometimes I am amazed at how blind some people choose to be. Do you really think nothing has changed since 9/11 that affects you?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/04/2007, -24/+5I haven't lost any liberties and I suspect you haven't either.