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- THETEH, on 07/14/2009, -4/+40We prosecuted Japanese people who'd used waterboarding as war criminals after WWII. Now, it's been used by American agents and loads of American neocons defend it. Torture is disgusting, and it's sad that it has been endorsed by some Americans.
- bigp3rm, on 07/14/2009, -3/+27Can we set the charges, have these criminals arrested and put on trial already? Enough talk.
- silicagrrl, on 07/14/2009, -3/+24I have a question. Does the fact that TORTURE IS EVIL deal a major blow to the Bush administration's defenses of torture? Which evil acts are defensible, and which ones aren't? It's just so confusing.
- MiddleAmerica, on 07/14/2009, -10/+27
Another Republican crime, a war crime this time.
- pegothejerk, on 07/14/2009, -2/+15I thank my lucky stars you aren't in charge, but for vastly different, extremely more logical reasons.
- tommythetomcat, on 07/14/2009, -2/+13This isn't an episode of 24, torturing someone who you have not even proven to be a perpetrator of a crime is not only idiotic but pointless. What happens when someone gets bad intel and they pick up and torture an innocent man? Is that okay with you?
- kemp34, on 07/14/2009, -2/+11Well the BBC is reporting on it too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8144625.stm
It is even linked in the Raw Story page. - MiddleAmerica, on 07/14/2009, -5/+14
If Cheney is Darth Vader, who does that make Luke?
But clearly Jabba the Hut is Rush Limbaugh.
- Hetman, on 07/14/2009, -2/+10It is not really that confusing. Torture is illegal. Anyone who knew about it should be charged with war crimes. See it is very simple.
- lohphat, on 07/14/2009, -1/+9Waterboarding isn't "simulated"drowning, it *is* drowning.
- inactive, on 07/14/2009, -0/+6Hypocrisy is a tenet of the neocons.
- offspring06, on 07/14/2009, -1/+7I'm glad you are not in charge too or you sound like you could be the next Hitler.
- mrcoderga, on 07/15/2009, -0/+6Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . .
I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require.
Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause…
For by such conduct they bring
shame,
disgrace
and ruin
to themselves
and their country.
George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775 - cybersaur, on 07/14/2009, -0/+5From The Convention Against Torture:
Torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. - buckrogers1965, on 07/15/2009, -0/+5Torture is wrong. Torture is illegal by any United States citizens or employees anywhere in the world. It is even illegal for us to knowing give someone to another group if we know they are going to be tortured. Water boarding someone is torture. Spin it how you like, but you know you are wrong if you try to justify torture.
Anyone that participated in torture, anyone that ordered torture, anyone that passed torture orders down the chain, should be given a fair trial. If they are convicted by that court they should be hung from the neck until they are dead.
Period.
Until we punish the evil doers in our own ranks we have no standing in the world to tell anyone else what to do. We look like the worst hypocrites that ever lived right now. - obliviousfool, on 07/14/2009, -0/+5Approved and approving in the headline should be in quotation marks. Nothing that is written down by the DoJ can change the fact that torture is illegal. That's like me granting you the ability to fly. Sure, I like you and all, but I just don't have that kind of power.
- tommythetomcat, on 07/14/2009, -1/+6Read it again, still crazy. If I was imprisoned in a foreign country I would say "***** you" also because in civilized nations I don't have to have the fear of being tortured for a confession or information. I guess America is so civilized anymore if thats how you feel we should interrogate prisoners.
- kemp34, on 07/14/2009, -2/+6Doing evil to fight the evil doers? SYNTAX ERROR
- No1Dad, on 07/14/2009, -3/+7Is this a bad time to remind Diggers that Obama has not explicitly rejected "harsh interrogation techniques" either? Or should I just shut up and let everyone get back to pretending we got real Change™?
Hurry up! Bury me! Bury me! - Kyzzyxx, on 07/14/2009, -1/+4Generalized statements = ***** propoganda
Buried - Alabaster1234, on 07/14/2009, -2/+5George Bush is an ewok (really really stupid, kind of gullible but seemingly wants to be good), or maybe Jar Jar (partially or primarily retarded).
- enantiodromia, on 07/14/2009, -1/+4why is it that when there is actual change, you people simply ignore it? if you think nothing has changed since Obama took office, then I have to question your contact with the outside world.
- phydeaux70, on 07/15/2009, -0/+3Daniel Pearl was a journalist, not a mercenary. He was an innocent victim of a beheading at the hands of KSM. He was in no way a part of the war on terror or any other conflict.
- blazingbiz, on 07/14/2009, -1/+4The US isn't full of good people, don't buy into this myth that the US is some factory of honesty and good nature - criminals get away with whatever they want as long as they are in power. We are passed time that we need a revolution in this country, not to protect wealthy people who don't want to pay taxes but to have a social justice movement that doesn't value money above people and doing the right thing. All these things are done for greed and power control, and many ignorant thugs in the military and in civil positions support it because it means more power and abuse they can have on others - this is human nature and it doesn't matter where you were born. They do this because they know they can count on the meat heads to support it and us to not take it to a level of over throwing them.
- youareretarded, on 07/15/2009, -0/+3The issue here is not torture, torture has already been declared illegal, there is no question about that whether you believe waterboarding is torture doesn't matter either, it's already been declared illegal as well.
The real issue here is whether or not the US government (Cheney and friends) used torture to manufacture information to backup or support their agenda to invade Iraq. - enantiodromia, on 07/14/2009, -0/+3except when raw story has a piece critical of Obama, then you guys can't get enough...
- mrcoderga, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2prosecute torture
- CosmicSurfer, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2You will find that ANYONE that us openly and actively working on this issue is NOT enamored with OBAMA on this issue. In fact most of us are continually criticizing his lack of action since he IS forcing the American people into the role of War Criminal by complicity.
IF YOU KNEW anything about the movement for justice you would know that we are unable to tolerate the inaction here to for - we do not see Obama as the great liberal leader. He is far from liberal. In fact he is to the right of center but considering the Neo-con ***** from before, he appears to BE left....of them.
One looks at the matters individually - no man or woman is perfect and OBAMA is far from perfect but the alternatives were PURELY COMICAL
TORTURE is illegal....Not all torture is waterboarding but ALL WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE. The torture noted at the 100+++ black sites that are STILL running (no matter what ANYONE SAYS, THEY ARE STILL RUNNING, as long as Bagram and Gitmo are open since they ARE BLACK SITES!) includes rape, beatings, stress positions, sl;eep deprivation, pepper spray, freezing, roasting, whipping, sensory deprivation, genital slicing, whipping, twisting, extreme noise and liquid diets then force feeding impossible to digest roughage creating ruptures and ulcers, hanging by the wrists from a postion in which the arms are secured BEHIND the BACK; dog attacks, gang beatings....I can get more graphic if you want.
NO OBAMA is far from perfect and on the issue of torture and accountability...He is too close to sweeping it under his $60,000 Oval office rug inherited from Bush baby but he is light years better than any of those other idiots on the matter JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH and still needing to try each and every one of the perpetratotrs from BUSH and his baby boys of the WH through the CIA, PENTAGON, FBI, MI5, ARMY,. NAVY and medical staff as well as the mercenary sadists they hired to do the interogations...
NO PARDONS; NO IMMUNITY, NO REPRIEVES - enantiodromia, on 07/14/2009, -1/+3it's funny that when RawStory has an article critical of Obama, you guys are all "OM NOM NOM!!" over it, but every other time, they are just a bunch of lying liars.
- govtdoesnotwork, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2When Republicans on my idiot box make that "it worked right away" argument, I have this response (and I have YET to see any response to my response, but TVs are like that, and hopefully you can enlighten me). My question is rather simple.
If waterboarding worked so well to break this badguy's will in so-few seconds, then how come they had to do it to him so-goddam-many times?? - Hetman, on 07/14/2009, -2/+4Jabba the hut may look like Rush Limbaugh but at least he was honest about his criminal ways. That is more than I can say about mr oxycotin pusher over there.
- SmokenJoe, on 07/14/2009, -2/+4Only the loosing side gets prosicuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Bad guys are going to protect bad guys even if it is another party.
- No1Dad, on 07/14/2009, -0/+2Obama has not explicitly rejected the use of harsh interrogation techniques. Period.
Deflect all you want but it will not change the facts. - lohphat, on 07/14/2009, -0/+2You mean torture. As per the Navy SEAL definition.
Drowning = asphyxiation by water entering the lungs. Waterboarding causes water to enter the lungs.
Neotard. - youareretarded, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2How does torture protect people and save lives? Information gathered from torture has proven to be false and any confession given is only given to stop the torture.
- appleofdischord, on 07/14/2009, -3/+4Yeah, simulated drowning is definitely not torture.
There's no way anyone would have thought that. - buckrogers1965, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1It also gives examples of how specifically to treat prisoners. The positive examples are give them exercise, food, medical care. Water torturing them is not any of the positive examples either.
- Gareth321, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1You have it all wrong. Torture is only immoral/illegal when the Republicans aren't doing it.
- skissors, on 07/14/2009, -2/+3George Bush is Chewey.
- atroxodisse, on 07/14/2009, -1/+2And how many more future attacks will be planned and carried out because we torture people?
- buckrogers1965, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1You do realize that United States forces have brutally murdered hundreds of journalists in Iraq and Afghanistan right? Where is the indignation over their deaths?
- NiftyG, on 07/14/2009, -1/+2I hate to inform you, but drowning is lethal.
- Wargala, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1Flattery will get you nowhere. :)
- XZanatos, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1It is psychological torture, it leaves psychological scars. RAPING people doesn't leave any marks either as long as it is done carefully. I often wonder if all the people who support waterboarding because it doesn't physically harm them would support raping people as well?
Would you care to answer me on that elcalrissian? Do you support RAPING prisoners as well as long as it doesn't make them bleed or leave scars? - Wargala, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1You're welcome buddy! :)
- PopcornDave, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1@NiftyG - how much more can the people that hate us with such a passion do than they already do?
Is there anything, short of a total conversion to Islam, that would make the fanatical wing of Islamic religion like us? - JohnnySoftware, on 07/25/2009, -0/+1Fool, you think that nobody ever dies during torture?
- buckrogers1965, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1It is torture. Torturers should be hung from the neck until they are dead. No matter who the torturer is.
This is pretty strait forward. - buckrogers1965, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1The end justifies the means?
As far as other people hating us? If we weren't constantly ***** with them they wouldn't hate us so much. - buckrogers1965, on 07/14/2009, -0/+1It is common for people to actually drown during water boarding. It is common for them to actually break their own bones or rip loose muscles from struggling so hard to get away. It is common for them to have massive heart attacks during the event.
Afterwards it is common for them to have horrible anxiety attacks a dozen times a day for the rest of their lives. To wake up a dozen times a night from dreams where they are drowning.
But to you it is just a few drops of water on the face. -
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