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- Okina, on 01/05/2009, -21/+77wtf is going on with you?
Children are being killed in Gaza. And not just this week, children have been killed in Gaza for the last 40 years. This is not about religion anymore. There are economic interests playing a role in Israel right now, and all this is being powered by american privates who need to keep at least one territory in Middle East. It's no different than the conflict at Iraq, only this time it's under a Jihad costume.
I'm jew. But my grandparents came to South America just before WWII. And I know for certain that arab and jew cultures are, in pretty much every aspect, sister cultures. This is not about two different cultures fighting because they can't get along, but about the powerful people stomping on Palestinians. Sionist jews are SOB's. As a matter of fact, I feel shame of being a jew when I watch the news, and I feel shame of being human as a read some of you justifying the murder of children because Hamas is a violent organization. It's a ***** violent organization, but it's violent because people needs to do something when they are being opressed and abused like sionists are doing.
As a jew, I do feel Israel is my homeland. But I also feel it is the homeland of arabs, and I think of them as my brothers and sisters. And as well as I don't think the resistance of Hamas is going to lead to anything good, I totally understand them. For I would do the same if somebody kicked me out of my land. - hamobu, on 01/04/2009, -55/+102The whole conflict is framed wrong in the US media. Here is the truth:
1. Gaza is not an independent territory. It is a jail for Palestinian population. It is small territory surrounded by high walls and Israel controls all the entrances and exits. Egypt controls border with Gaza on one side, but it is obligated to listen to Israels objectives. In the past Israel would controll the movement of population inside of Gaza, but Hamas effectively kicked them out.
2. Hamas was Originally created by Israel to introduce discord among Palestinians and to give Palestinian resistance a religious, rather than national character.
3. In media, Hamas is Always provoking and Israel is always responding. That framing of events does not pass the straight face test.
4. Situation is framed as a conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. This obfuscates the issue by hiding the realities of what is happening to individuals. Civil rights and property rights of Individual Palestinians are being violated. At the same time, terrorism is a criminal offense and subject of Criminal justice system. You don't fights gangs in the LA by dropping bombs on Compton.
I could go on and on, but at the end of the what is happening is that Palestinian individuals are being oppressed, and their life is being made unbearable to decrese their percentage and make territory more jewish. - 140Suffolk, on 01/04/2009, -28/+72Everybody knows why:
1- Muslim nations want to keep the grievance alive so they can have an excuse to continue to work towards Israel's demise. If you think it's only Arab Muslims that resent Israel, try talking to Pakistani Muslims. Or any other nationality. Virtually every Muslim everywhere considers tiny Israel their biggest problem.
2- The Egyptian government doesn't want more crazy Islamic terrorists in their borders. They've been fighting them in the form of the seminal Muslim Brotherhood for decades. - lilamae, on 01/04/2009, -37/+81Egypt could solve this by simply opening a back door and welcoming the Palestinians into their country as refugees. Palestinians could then be given the choice of becoming Egyptians or move to another refuge in the Arab world. Why are the Arabs not opening welcoming arms to these downtrodden "victims"? Kinda makes you wonder what they know that we don't.
- thaprinze, on 01/05/2009, -25/+66I posted this in another digg article too, but it seems that anything that isn't pro "one side" is miraculously vanishing. Go figure...
My $0.02 that will probably get me banned from digg.
$0.01. For those who claim the Palestinians brought this onto themselves by randomly shooting rockets into Israel and injuring civilians... I'm sure that if some country provided billions of dollars each year in state of the art arms to the Palestinian people, their strikes against Israel would be much more precise and would not target civilians at all. No matter where you're from or what your message, attacking civilians does absolutely nothing to improve your message and, in fact, has the exact opposite effect. The reason Israel is being pounded by randomly fired missiles is because that's as high-tech a weapon the Palestinians have. Launch a missile towards Israel on a prayer and hope that it hits one of the many tanks that have destroyed countless homes and lives.
People & the media love to make it seem like the Palestinians are cowards for randomly shooting rockets, but honestly, what other choice do they have? I'm not here to support Hamas or any other terrorist organization, I'm just calling it how I see it. If a group feels oppressed and is fighting the most one-sided war in the history of man kind, it doesn't really leave them many options. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying it's desperation. It's the only thing they can do.
$0.02. Again, people and the media constantly claim that the Israeli bombings and attacks are targeted only at the “terrorists.” News reports come out each day stating a terrorist leader’s house was bombed or a terrorist stronghold was bombed and 15 terrorists were killed.
Here's my question. Obviously there are no Israeli officials available at these sites that they target and destroy. The Israeli's don't even allow international human rights organizations to enter the Palestinian territories to provide medical care to the hundreds of innocent men, women and children critically wounded in the attacks. How exactly can they report how many “terrorists” were killed vs civilians in each attack? Do they roll dice? Do they just pick a number? Do they just assume that a certain percentage of people killed are terrorists? We see from the pictures that the buildings that they're attacking aren't exactly single family homes.
Again, I'm not here to fight for a cause or ideology. These are just two glaring issues that I never see or hear anyone address. - getoffmybridge, on 05/05/2009, -10/+35People really lob the term "anti-semitism" around too much these days.
- 140Suffolk, on 01/04/2009, -11/+32You call the rabid death-to-the-Jews 1967 attack "Israel's wars"? Egypt was at the forefront of that attack. Plus, Gaza was controlled by Egypt at the time, as you well know.
You can't do anything with Palestinians in "good faith". Hamas was launching rockets, digging weapon-smuggling-tunnels and sneaking in weapons during the so-called cease-fire, as you well know.
And you certainly can't negotiate with an entity whose mission-statement calls for the destruction of Israel. What's to compromise? Saying it's okay to destroy HALF of Israel? - w3ber, on 01/05/2009, -4/+25"The millions of dollars of aid to feed and clothe the poor and oppressed seldom get to the people. Philanthropy buys weapons and means to attack Israel."
Hamas Rockets and Capabilities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZsvUur5t7M&fea ...
fighting cluster bombs with big fireworks.
war is retarded (both ways) - BillE3, on 01/04/2009, -31/+50France must have forgotten that there was a "cease fire" in place; all the while Hamas continued to ignore the cease fire by sending rockets into Israel.
When Hamas had stockpiled (via tunnels to Egypt) enough longer range rockets; the rocket attacks increased by nearly ten fold. As soon as Hamas exhausts their current supply of rockets and mortars they will ask for a "cease fire"; which to them is only asking Israel to stop so it is easier for Hamas to re arm.
Israel has been offering "cease fire" agreements before; each time it was rewarded with increased attacks. - da_bradler, on 01/05/2009, -8/+26Am I alone in hating both sides? I think Hamas is a despicable organization committed to violence and hate and I think the exact same thing about Isreal. They are both religious fundamentalists that make all their decisions based off fear and hate.
Personally I could care less about picking a side, I don't think either side is ever going to win or stop. So as long as their fighting doesn't spill over into important(as defined by the wests needs) parts of the world I say have fun with your bombs and rockets. - hamobu, on 01/04/2009, -12/+30140Suffold: Muslims are not responsible for each other. Muslim individuals have rights with a state same as any other religious group. You would not want to be responsible for crimes committed by your religious grou, would you?
DrDreyfus: Gaza is a territory where Palestinians from all over historic Palestine are herded into, it is surrounded by high walls and Israel controls what goes into and out of Gaza. Even on Egypt side of the border, Egypt is obligated to enforce Israeli Blockade. Gaza is very much Israeli controlled territory. - 140Suffolk, on 01/04/2009, -14/+31Non-Muslims are discriminated against and persecuted in every Muslim majority state, as you well know.
And what "discriminatory practices" can you possibly be referring to? Israel backed all its people and troops out of Gaza three years ago.
Since then, Gaza was free to go its own way. And the way it chose was rocket attacks and war. - hamobu, on 01/04/2009, -10/+26Google is your friend:
from American Conservative:"But there is something bitterly ironic in Israel’s support for Fatah against Hamas—and it should be a lesson to governments everywhere that meddle in other states’ affairs. In the past, Israel supported Hamas against Fatah. Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence in the belief that such an Islamist group might help rupture support for the mass nationalist movement of Fatah. "
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2007/feb/12/00017/
Globalresearch.ca: "Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html
etc. - Roundbadge, on 01/05/2009, -6/+20" Since then, Gaza was free to go its own way "
Yes - inside the wall built around them. Imagine this happening anywhere else in the world? - Waiting2awake, on 01/04/2009, -13/+27Actually it has less to do with digg and more to do with megaphone...
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
Commissioner Pravin Lal
"U.N. Declaration of Rights" - inactive, on 01/04/2009, -19/+32The real world. Not the Zionist fantasy that predominates in the US.
- rkuel, on 01/05/2009, -5/+18Several sources, including the Israeli military, have noted that the Israeli military has begun calling Palestinians to warn them to leave before their house would be bombed.
On ABC's coverage of the conflict the other night, Palestinians have described this as the "phone call from hell." On the broadcast, even after acknowledging this was taking place, Hamas officials recovered 4 babies from the rubble of the destroyed house. Thankfully all 4 were still alive, but this begs the question: Why would there be 4 babies in a house when they had just been warned the house was to be bombed?
It makes sense though. The only way to stop the Israeli army would be in the form of international pressure. And what better way to stir up some Israel bashing than a few dead babies for the cameras. And to an organization like Hamas whats a few dead babies in the interest of preserving their organization? Not a whole lot apparently.
Any thoughts on this? - JohnReb, on 01/04/2009, -8/+21When have terrorists ever demanded the complete destruction of a European nation?
There is a major difference between terrorist activities in Europe and in the Middle East. - pintomp3, on 01/05/2009, -2/+15The worst part is the hard-liners on both sides are ensuring that their stated goals will not be met. Their ambitions are not peace, but to galvanize the public around a radical agenda in order to maintain power. It is no accident there is a tough, right-ward shift among the politicians right before an election.
- absurdist, on 01/05/2009, -4/+16Let's see...
The U.S. gives $2.4 Billion* in foreign aid every year to Israel. The bulk of which is in turn used to buy weapons from the U.S.
And you're giving the Palestinians ***** about diverting a few million for arms?
Israel seems to have this idea that they can impose their will on the Palestinians by use of arms and aggression. Meanwhile, the Palestinians have shown that if the only weapons they have are ***** rocks, they'll throw them at armed Israelis.
Of course, I guess it's only genocide if you're Jewish, right? - BillE3, on 01/04/2009, -11/+22You seem to miss the media reports of Israel loading trucks with food and medical supplies and sending them into Gaza. They did this themselves so that terrorists could not put bombs in the trucks.
You seem to miss the lack of action of Hamas to bring in food and medical supplies; only rockets, mortars, rpg's, ak-47's and homicide bomb making materials.
You seem to miss the cnn story of Israelis calling the houses of the Hamas leaders prior to attacking them; asking them to send the women and children away.
You seem to miss the fact that Hamas does not issue any warnings before targeting homes and schools for the rockets and mortars.
That scarf over your face with the little holes in it does restrict the view. - vault, on 01/04/2009, -7/+171. You need to learn the definition of ad-hominem because it has nothing to do with pointing out bias. Not every attack on a source is an ad-hom.
2. Your exact words were, "Hamas was Originally created by Israel." I have shown you this is not true...don't backpedal and pretend you meant something else.
You and your ultra-biased sources were trying to suggest that Hamas was a Mossad creation. I have shown you that it was not. You're now attempting to say "well yeah but they allowed them to grow wahhhh."
Not interfering because they preferred to deal with Hamas over Arafat is NOT the same as creating it. Allow it to grow because they wanted to weaken Fatah is NOT the same as creating it. Infiltrating it with your own security forces is NOT creating it.
Next time don't run your mouth and pass conspiracy theory off as fact. - Dumbledorito, on 01/05/2009, -7/+17Too often, it's a fall-back position that's a close cousin to Godwin's Law. If you criticize Israel and the person responding can't come up with anything to counter it, then YOU must be an anti-semite and the argument is over.
- jamesotis, on 01/05/2009, -1/+10The definition for any other (legitimate, non-"Palestinian") refugees is three generations, or 60 years.
- tjex, on 01/05/2009, -0/+8Amen to that. That land is the birthplace of the three major religious. It should be shared equally and be a beacon of hope. Instead, it's got turned into a living hell.
- ThePastafarian, on 01/05/2009, -5/+13This is just my viewpoint as an observer as well, so who knows what the reality is. First, if the Palestinians had state of the art arms, what (or who) do you believe they would target? Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the state of Israel, so do you really believe that they would responsibly use the weapons with any sort of strategic goals, against only the Israeli military? You also fail to take into account the countless Hamas-backed suicide attacks on Israel, which openly target the civilian population in densely populated areas such as buses or restaurants.
- 140Suffolk, on 01/04/2009, -8/+16Palestinians are not to be trusted? Individual people? I have no opinion. But their governments? That's self-evident.
Both Fatah and Hamas have broken agreements before the ink was dry and have committed war crimes constantly. This pattern has happened enough that there is no point in even discussing deals with them. - NidStyles, on 01/05/2009, -1/+9*COUGH* "Arabs" are Semitic too. *COUGH*
- rkuel, on 01/05/2009, -0/+8I never said that it was right or wrong. Israel says it is targeting Hamas targets so you can take that for what its worth.
I just want to know why after having a 15 minute warning, why there were 4 babies in the house. During the segment, the others interviewed had no problem getting out.
It just raises a lot of questions. - dustbowl, on 01/05/2009, -14/+22Europe at odds? Obviously they haven't seen this video.
http://muslimtv.magnify.net/video/ISRAEL-CARNAGE-C ...
And of course, this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7809371.stm
People aren't acting on the right information. They are making bad decisions based on misinformation and propaganda. Some people compromise their integrity and ethics and can't be trusted to report the correct facts. - DreadPirate, on 01/05/2009, -6/+14"managed to resolve the issues"? That's why Spain still has terror bombings from the group ETA right up through the current day - doesn't sound too resolved to me.
And then there's the fact that Spain was attacked for its support of the Iraq war - what happened to them? They turned tail and gave the terrorists exactly what they wanted. That doesn't really sound like "resolving the issues" - flair1, on 01/05/2009, -0/+8Hamas puts their rocket launchers in civilian places like apartments and mosques, assuming the Israelis won't hurt civilians in order to destroy the launchers. Now the gloves are off and Israel is destroying the launchers anyway.
- 140Suffolk, on 01/04/2009, -6/+13I think that the 850,000+ Middle Eastern Jews that were persecuted for 1,300 years or more in the Muslim countries where they lived who then fled to Israel should be compensated for what they left behind.
- smokesteam, on 01/06/2009, -0/+7Its too bad that you got dug down by the digg terrorist apology brigade.
These people would suck the sweat from the balls of Hamas and call it the nectar of G-d. - doom777, on 01/05/2009, -3/+10You mean the one that was debunked even by rawstory by being from 2005, not 2009, and being the result of Hamas rocket carrying truck explosion?
- DrHoliday, on 01/05/2009, -0/+7Leaders like Okina should run the world.
- Pr0phecy88, on 01/05/2009, -4/+11You use more buzz words than a student fresh out of business school.
- Owwmykneecap, on 01/05/2009, -2/+9So the french are anti semite?
Well you are anti-Gallic.
As for me? I'm anti-alanocu - 140Suffolk, on 01/05/2009, -1/+8@martalli
Israelis are NOT "mostly just Europeans".
In 1948 some 850,000 Middle Eastern Jews that had been living as persecuted 4th class dhimmi citizens in Muslim lands fled the Muslim nations where they lived. And went to Israel. Currently, roughly half of Israelis Jewish population are these Middle Eastern Jews. Or their children. - inactive, on 01/04/2009, -14/+21"Egypt is obligated to enforce Israeli Blockade."
No they're not.
"Gaza is very much Israeli controlled territory."
Yeah except the people of Gaza have autonomy within that area.
Maybe if their government didn't launch rockets at the state adjacent to them, that state would be more inclined to open up the borders?
"Gaza is a territory where Palestinians from all over historic Palestine are herded into"
FYI: Historic Palestine encompasses Syria, Lebanon and Jordan
Also, there are over 1.5 million Arab-Israelis living in Israel. - 140Suffolk, on 01/05/2009, -4/+11Did you know that the UN refugee definition for "Palsestinian refugees" is differnet that the definition for any other kind of refugee?
A Palestinian refugee was any Arab who had lived in the area of 2 years. Two years!
Why? Cause they wanted to cover up the fact that many of the so-called refugees who had lost "ancestral lands" had just gotten there. They had just migrated in from Egypt or Syria.
And they should have just migrated back there.
Instead, they became permanent grievance-mongers. - DreamSpirit3, on 01/05/2009, -2/+8I am originally from Pakistan/India and I am also Muslim. I have in the past traveled to Israel and Find it to be a wonderful place as far as scenery, architecture and culture go. 90% of the Jewish people are peace loving people with logical views about the rest of the world. It is only a small percentage which have radical views. But most societies have a small group of people with radical view. I do not blindly hate Israel as you have stereotypically mentioned.
I may not completely agree with their government's policies but I do not blindly hate Israel. You speak as if most Muslims believe that Israel is a Huge problem. This is simply not the case. Out of the Hundreds of Muslims I have met in countries like Kazakhstan, India, Pakistan and Kashmir I have very rarely come across a Person that has hated Israel unless with a logical reason. For example, I met one man whose brother was unfortunately killed in an Israeli/Palestinian Dispute.
You seem to hold some narrow/stereotypical beliefs and I understand that it is hard to receive unfiltered news, but If you take the time to visit these different countries and actually talk to the people you will realize that the truth is very different. - FreeRepublic, on 01/06/2009, -1/+7What is never mentioned in the media is the reason why Hamas decided to not "renew" the 6-month cease fire with Israel. When Hamas won a democratic election in Gaza in Jan 2006 Israel placed an economic blockade on Gaza. (google: BBC Gaza Blockade). Even when the 6-month cease fire went into effect last July, the Israeli government did allow more imports to enter Gaza, but still Gaza hardly resembled anything close to a normal economy that could sustain a suitable living standard.
Now isn't a blockade recognized by most legal experts as an "act of war"?
Imagine that for the past two years the U.S. government had only allowed a minimum of humanitarian goods into Virginia, and had allowed NO exports whatsoever out of the State. Now, wouldn't there be some justification for the people of Virginia to rise up against the U.S.? - tavallai, on 01/05/2009, -3/+9Can anyone even name the Czech president? Its Prime Minister? The foreign minister named in the article?
The f***in' first lady of France has more influence than these US-brown-nosing assclowns who are 4 days into their rotating presidency of the EU. At odds? Sell your spin elsewhere. - fandyboy, on 01/05/2009, -1/+7That's cos France is full of Muslim North Africans, they need to appease their public.
- 140Suffolk, on 01/04/2009, -14/+20@hammy
The point that you are purposely ignoring is that you pretend to hold tiny, embattled Israel to a far higher standard than you hold all the Muslim majority nations.
The Muslim nations can forbid the sale of land to Jews. Can forbid the building of synagogues. Can forbid Jews from testifying in court against Muslims. Can forbid Jews from even entering their countries.
But teeny tiny embattled Israel can't separate itself from people who have sworn themselves to be deadly enemies. Or else the lefties will accuse them of "discriminatory practices". Treat them "equally" while they dedicate themselves to killing Jews? How stupid would that be? - InfamousAtheist, on 01/05/2009, -7/+13Whoever is burying hamobu for his suggestion that Israel should treat all people equally really needs to take a good hard look in the mirror. The implication that anyone is a second-class citizen due to their ethnicity or faith is disgusting, simpleminded, and immoral.
Falling back on the "they do it to us" argument simply highlights your ignorance. - janedoe401, on 01/05/2009, -2/+8Centuries ago, the word semites would include jews and arabs and a whole lot of other ancient races.
Today's modern use of the word would currently refer to semites as Jews. In the same way when a person would use the word "gay" it would mean a person using an alternative sexual lifestyle and not "happy" which it used to mean several decades ago.
But really, Jews and Arabs are brothers, technically speaking, since they both claim Abraham as their ancestor.
Both are blessed with wealth and power and while the Jews are hated worldwide, they are a hardy race and in spite of the odds against them and being constantly persecuted throughout history, they have not only survived but thrived as a people and a culture. And they will continue to do so even until the end of the world i suspect.
Also, the Arabs, though always at war with their neighbors and among themselves, are poised to conquer the whole world with their sheer numbers and rate of conversion. - Amnon, on 01/05/2009, -1/+7They fired rockets before, during, and after the ceasefire.
Get your facts straight. - 140Suffolk, on 01/05/2009, -3/+9@hamobu
Read my comment again. Jews that had to flee to Israel lost a lot. Some Palestinians that claim they left behind property may have lost a lot. I'd say, let's figure what was worth what. Then compensate those who are entitled. Either compensate both groups. Or none.
Let's keep in mind that some, perhaps most, of the so-called Palestinians had just emigrated to the area when the war broke out.
You will likely deny this and ignore the evidence. But it is provable that what we now call Israel was largely depopulated prior to the Zionist return. It wasn't until then that the Arabs moved back into the area from Syria, Jordan, Egypt and elsewhere.
Why? Because the great industry and visions of the Jews created jobs. Work. Business and opportunity. So the Arabs followed the work. -
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