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End death by stoning, Iran urged

news.bbc.co.uk — Amnesty International has urged Iran to drop from its penal code the punishment of death by stoning, a fate awaiting 11 convicted criminals, the group says. The majority sentenced to death by stoning are women, Amnesty says.

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  • yellowcakewalk, on 01/16/2008, -14/+27Iran has a horrific human rights record. Is it better or worse NOW than it was under the USA puppet government of the Shah? I don't know. See Operation Ajax, 1953.
    • RuffRidr, on 01/16/2008, -10/+24Does it matter? Move forward, not look backward.
      • dshPls, on 01/16/2008, -15/+17But we can't blame the US if we look at things logically!
        • Tilon, on 01/16/2008, -4/+8We don't have to blame the US if we always look forward! (Ignoring the flaming wreckage behind us!)
      • makkaveli19, on 01/16/2008, -2/+10move forward not backwards, upwards not forward, and always twirling twirling twirling towards freedom
        • Devotia, on 01/16/2008, -5/+1But, there's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going!
        • Lixnig, on 01/16/2008, -3/+8I look forward to an orderly election which will eliminate the need for a violent bloodbath...
      • eclipse007, on 01/16/2008, -1/+5Not look backward? So what happened to learn from your past?!!!
    • kooft, on 01/16/2008, -8/+22"Does it matter?"

      Sure it matters. ycw not only expressed his disapproval of Iran's human rights record, but was merely indicating that the US could care less what type of inhuman punishment you inflict on people, so long as you behave according to US desires. Iran was well on the path to having a full fledged democracy, until the CIA came along and installed a dictator. This did _not_ help out the human rights situation in the least.


      "Move forward, not look backward."

      If you don't know where you've been, you won't know when you're walking in circles...
      • slicerace, on 01/16/2008, -10/+7To me, it sounds like ycw just wanted to do some US bashing, but I liked your post, so I dugg it up. :)
    • DigDugDigger, on 01/16/2008, -2/+9Did somebody say AJAX?
    • alanr19, on 01/16/2008, -5/+11US has been urged to stop executions too, but seeing as this is an anti-Iran propaganda piece we'll just let that go.


    • IglooBurner, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1you guys should watch Persepolis, its a great movie on Iran and their political system
    • IdevInull, on 01/16/2008, -2/+1I would say capitol punishment for murderers, rapists, and the like should land them a good human rights record. Since they are providing justice to the victim and punishing the criminal. And as far as stoning goes. Why stop using it? It is very effective.

      Now Iran is my enemy -- but at the same time you have to give them credit where they deserve it. And in how they deal with criminals they get an A+.
  • dumpyhumpy, on 01/16/2008, -9/+34Mother ***** barbaric.
    • greenlight2001, on 01/16/2008, -7/+12I'm sick of these *****' Iranians, stoning their *****' women.
      • dumpyhumpy, on 01/16/2008, -4/+12Sheiks on a Plane?
      • eclipse007, on 01/16/2008, -5/+6Your statement is very sexist, they stone both men and women who commit adultery equally! ;)
        • dumpyhumpy, on 01/16/2008, -2/+6I don't know if I'd call it "equally"...
          "The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women, who suffer disproportionately from such punishment, Amnesty says."
    • tuxerware, on 01/16/2008, -9/+15Yeah it's not like.. wait the US does have capital punishment?? What?? They strap people in a chair and run electricity in their bodies till they die? That's ***** sick!
      • jamiroquai, on 01/16/2008, -4/+4Yah, especially since the people in the chair brutally raped, murdered or tortured innocent victims! How dare they pay the ultimate price after killing someone else?
        • yahoofrom, on 01/17/2008, -0/+1what if one of them is innocent?
          • jamiroquai, on 01/17/2008, -0/+0Yah, everyone who's incarcerated is innocent. Just ask them.
    • Rossoneri22, on 01/16/2008, -7/+12You fail to see the point that the person ends up dead either way. Whether a bunch of chemicals are used or stones, does it really matter? The whole idea of capital punishment is *****.
      • Chordonblue, on 01/16/2008, -3/+4"The whole idea of capital punishment is *****..." Until someone close to you is a victim of a soulless sick bastard. Sorry, I have NO mercy for some of these people. And if the death penalty doesn't serve as a deterrent, that's fine. All I know is that if it was my son who was tortured and killed, I'd want the bastards responsible for it to pay - slowly...
        • ghuytro, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Yeah but we're talking about being executed for having an affair not murder!!!
      • jamiroquai, on 01/16/2008, -3/+3Let's see you say that after you/your wife/husband/brother/sister/mother/father/relative are murdered/raped by someone else.
      • dumpyhumpy, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Yes, although I oppose capitol punishment in general, a low torturous death as opposed to a quick painless one, are not comparable.
  • stonebear, on 01/16/2008, -6/+19Yeah, Iran really needs to see the light on this capital punishment thing, as do many of the United States and Saudi Arabia. The no usury thing is very enlightened though, they definitely need to keep that part going. The suffering it prevents outweighs that caused by the executions a millionfold.
  • jphicks, on 01/16/2008, -14/+23And lethal injection is being considered as too cruel here in the U.S.. The disconnect between the fundamentalist Islamic culture and western culture seems to be a divide just too great to bridge. Western society may be morally corrupt but stoning, suicide bombers and beheading.....jeez.
    • OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 01/16/2008, -8/+18death penalty is death penalty. Are we kidding ourselves by making it less painful? maybe if we always acknowledged how horrible and violent it is and required the judge to actually carry out the execution, then we wouldn't just hand out trips to the happy fun electric chair left and right (I'm from texas).

      the "disconnect" is in your imperialist mind. What makes you think you're better? because you numb someone's pain before you execute them? give me a break. if you support any kind of death penalty, you can't talk.
      • pintomp3, on 01/16/2008, -12/+2"death penalty is death penalty" so i take it you approve of the use of stoning.
      • mGARANDEUR1, on 01/16/2008, -7/+11What a moron. Painlessly killing someone is equivalent to stoning them? You sir, are a dumb *****.
        • Onyxblaze, on 01/16/2008, -1/+71. You are a dumbass
          2. Lethal injection is NOT painless. The only reason they do leathal injection is so that the people watching don't have to see blood and stuff.
          3. Would you rather be killed in a period of almost 30 minutes, not being able to move, yet feeling immense amounts of pain while your friends and family watch, or have a couple rocks hit your head before you are knocked out? Even better would be a bullet in the base of the skull. Sure it is messy, but you won't feel a thing.
        • ProducedRaw, on 01/16/2008, -0/+4Not to mention how long deathrow inmates actually spend on deathrow. Imagine the emotional distress of being locked up for a few years knowing that you're going to be killed by your society at the end of it. The anticipation would drive me crazy. Give me a quick death over such a prolonged one any day.
      • mancat, on 01/16/2008, -2/+1Horrible and violent? I call it cost cutting.
    • Azerael, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3Personally, I'd prefer the firing squad over an injection.

      Nothing worse than lying there with all these people watching you while you're waiting to die.
      • nicepants, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Nah...tie me to a LARGE explosive. I'd be dead before I heard it go off.
    • ZenMojo, on 01/16/2008, -1/+6Yeah, uh, lethal injection isn't PAINLESS. It's actually incredibly painful, which is why it was banned in so many states. Actually, lethal injection's probably as painful as stoning.
      • BriscoeJr, on 01/16/2008, -1/+1Yeah, this buddy of mine got lethal in injection, and he said it SUCKED. Way worse than death by stoning. Seriously, if I had a choice I'd choose the stoning. Do they tie you up, or are you free to run around and try and dodge the stones, rocks, w/e? Maybe I could throw a few back there way.
        • abuelos84, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1That's where games like "Wonder Boy" or "Adventure Island" took their ideas from.
        • nicepants, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Article says you're buried up to your waist. I suppose your arms would be free to try to block them, but if they keep throwing till your dead, that would only be delaying the inevitable...which would probably make it worse. I'd rather just be tied to a nuclear warhead...that's got to be the quickest way to go.
  • blindhammer, on 01/16/2008, -2/+61Yet nothing is mentioned about Saudi Arabia.
    • CesarSolomon, on 01/16/2008, -1/+24Yet nothing is mentioned about USA.
    • Alix7, on 01/16/2008, -1/+16Shh... I have investments in that country.
    • makkaveli19, on 01/16/2008, -0/+14ok not being apologetic for iran and their actions, but saudi's womens rights is just ***** up. in iran a woman can basically do anything that a man can in their lives also they have women in congress and political places. i don't even think its comparable. the main cultural difference is that before the islamic republic a woman could walk around in a bikini in the street and there were bars disco's blah blah.so iran's population is separated between the religious and the free-thinkers.
      also iran doesn't do the beheading and suicide bomb thing. it's just the stoning:P
    • DesertDude, on 01/16/2008, -5/+3I'm from Saudi Arabia blindhammer. I've never heard or seen a stoning here in a long time. Care to enlighten us? Thanks.

      P.S. Not that I'm against stoning, but I hate to see those who run their mouths without proof to back it up.
      • anewname, on 01/16/2008, -1/+10"Not that I'm against stoning..."

        Wait, so you're pro-stoning?
      • DesertDude, on 01/16/2008, -1/+2I'd like to see blindhammer respond first to my question and show me the last stoning the took place in SA.
        • blindhammer, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1My response was meant to show how idiotic it is to single-out Iran for its human-rights violations while Saudi Arabia, according to western standards, is one of the most oppressive regimes in the world, especially towards women.

          When you couple Bush's visit to the Middle East (Saudi Arabia) with the release of this article, it seems comical.
      • JCPahl, on 01/16/2008, -2/+6I recommend you have some of your fellow desertdudes stone you before you take that a pro-stoning stance. *****.
    • Caeili, on 01/16/2008, -5/+4"Yet nothing is mentioned about Saudi Arabia."
      Maybe because this is a report on Iran?
  • buzmcg, on 01/16/2008, -9/+41I'm against all capital punishment.
    • Fracture98, on 01/16/2008, -2/+10I think you should get life and then be able to volunteer for death-matches.
      "Hello, this is Killian. Give me the Justice Department, Entertainment Division."
      • IdevInull, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1That would be cool..but you should have to be forced into the death matches.
    • DesertDude, on 01/16/2008, -8/+2against death penalty = weak
      • shaelen, on 01/16/2008, -1/+5Says the weakest link.
      • DesertDude, on 01/16/2008, -1/+2Yeah you're right. I'm the only in the entire world who has this opinion.
        • IglooBurner, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0thats a pretty ***** argument. murder as a form of punishment should never be an option, regardless of what the criminal did.
    • computergod, on 01/16/2008, -1/+5I like eggs.

      I also like making pointless statements that add nothing to the discussion.
      • abuelos84, on 01/16/2008, -0/+5EXACTLY! That's the Digg Spirit!
        You are a fine American, Sir!
  • pehpsi, on 01/16/2008, -2/+31They should stop stoning, and the U.S. and others should stop frying/injecting people... And most of them believe in God? How does that work?

    It's ALL wrong! I'm an atheist, but common sense and morals tell me this.
    • IndigoMoss, on 01/16/2008, -1/+6I've always wondered that myself.
    • Tyrghast, on 01/16/2008, -1/+6god endorsed capital punishment and mass murder. read the old testament sometime. then skip to the part about homosexuals in the new testament.
      • nicepants, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1haven't seen any biblical passages in which God has endorsed mass murder.
      • IdevInull, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1When God does it, or it is done by his command it is not mruder.

        In any case -- when will you people learn that some people -- like murderers, rapists, people who kill their babies (the people that God had ordered annihilated sacrificed their children), etc need to be killed.
    • DigDugDigger, on 01/16/2008, -0/+10We teach people that killing is wrong, by killing people. Simple!
      • ProducedRaw, on 01/16/2008, -0/+5Its like reverse psychology - lead by contradiction!
    • jabberwolf, on 01/16/2008, -2/+3injection while they are chemically asleep is humane
      Stoning someone wrapping in a white sheet, until they are a quivering bloody stump.... not so much.

      And injecting is reserved for the worst of the worst criminals.
      Stoning is reserved for someone that got married outside of their religion... considered adultery. And it usually is reserved for women.
    • CressCrowbits, on 01/16/2008, -1/+4The American Right love UNBORN people - as soon as you are born, however, then they want to kill you as soon as possible.
  • dankyphil, on 01/16/2008, -1/+32Did Yoda write this headline?
    • madm0nk, on 01/16/2008, -2/+16When a criminal convicted is he, stone him you must.
      • TH3W1R3D, on 01/16/2008, -3/+3When a criminal is convicted, stone him you must.
    • DigDugDigger, on 01/16/2008, -1/+11Comments like this is why I come to Digg. The stories are only a convenience.
    • Curlz31, on 01/16/2008, -2/+2The (US Air) Force is with you.
  • CannedMango, on 01/16/2008, -7/+4What? They stone people? That's the magic ticket! Attttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!
  • Unclickable, on 01/16/2008, -2/+5help Amnesty International to help you http://yuxt.com/idea/Amnesty_International
  • picsectionpleez, on 01/16/2008, -11/+2Do you really think this is real or do you think the Bush administration is trying to poison your attitude towards Iran? Get real.
    • jmpeagle, on 01/16/2008, -0/+6Iran doesn't deny that it stones people...the only thing they deny is that they have homosexuals
    • Billaeon, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1[grabs tin-foil hat, places on head, looks around suspiciously] Really?
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3most of the diggers arent big fans of bush, but iran does have plenty of barbaric practices that they're holding onto. Dont blind yourself by thinking everything negative said about the middle east is just propaganda, there are problems there. The thing that needs to stop is the usa is not the police/knight in shining armor of the world. People need to fix their own problems, if we come in and fix them people will hate us for it and reject any leaders that we support.
      • darklights, on 01/16/2008, -2/+0If by "fix" you mean change things to suit the USA's viewpoint, and never realise that this may not suit the "fixed" nation or its population, then your comment is 100% truth.
        • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2umm, thats exactly what i meant, i thought it was pretty obvious though.
    • ukfoole, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0Sorry, I've had a very negative attitude towards Iran since long before Bush. I'm thinking the time I started was when your president Carter was in power.
  • MindTrigger, on 01/16/2008, -5/+5Ok, not that this subject doesn't deserve some international attention, but what the hell are we talking about here? Isn't this just another arm of the propaganda program to give Americans a bit more justification for blowing Iran to shreds?
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -1/+1you would be making a big mistake to confuse the USA's government/military views/actions with the views/actions supported by the american public. George bush was re-elected almost entirely by the strong emotions that people felt after 9-11. They are regretting this election more than any other. Bush currently has one of the lowest approval ratings of any USA president in the USA's history. Very few people in the united states wish to start another war in the middle east.

      as usmarinestanker said, the USA government already has plenty of things to throw at the american public to try to get them to support attacking iran if they really wanted that, i doubt any more military action will be approved before the next election.
  • bethehammer, on 01/16/2008, -6/+4how else are you expected to execute women, hanging? electrocution? drowning? cancer? No, only stoning involves the whole community =D
  • heuranit, on 01/16/2008, -3/+1It's terribly frustrating these things still happen in this century (although death penalty is still present in many so-called 'developed' countries too) and we are all letting Amnesty International or other organizations deal with that. I don't believe the US is the right country to fight those things either but...it's terribly frustrating.
  • ianzu, on 01/16/2008, -1/+18The very concept of stoning is not only barbaric, it's cowardly. "Men" who sentence women to die like this for the crime of being raped aren't men at all. They're pussies and cowards.
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+5honestly, men and women should be treated equally, and if execution is approved by the government of a country, i think women should be executed just like a man would be. However i dont think stoning is a humane way to execute people, even if the people support executions.
      • ProducedRaw, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2Theres a humane way to murder people? Thats news to me...
        • abuelos84, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2Ssh, don't tell him, otherwise he wont sleep anymore...
  • nphase, on 01/16/2008, -3/+12Yet nothing is mentioned about Texas.
    • madm0nk, on 01/16/2008, -4/+4Probably because they use lethal injection and not bludgeoning people to death with big ***** rocks.
    • Tyrghast, on 01/16/2008, -4/+4We'd rather kill our criminals than let them be a drag on our budget by sitting in prison for 20-50 years.
    • CondoleezzaRice, on 01/16/2008, -2/+2Execution by Electric Chair just isn't as sexy.
  • sexysadie86, on 01/16/2008, -2/+7http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

    If you watch this video, you'll lose hope in humanity.
    • macbookpromat, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3Haven't lost hope in humanity, seeing as how I've seen much worse. But I have to admit the dude having a seizure was pretty disturbing.
  • computergod, on 01/16/2008, -6/+4Where are some good stoning videos? I know it's morbid, but you just know they must be out there somewhere. Links anyone?
    • NeverReturnKid, on 01/16/2008, -4/+4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
      • chaosium, on 01/16/2008, -3/+4That's terrible, i hope someone gets that guy's account banned. ***** sick.
      • mCanada, on 01/16/2008, -3/+2*****:) well done. like ninja!
      • computergod, on 01/16/2008, -3/+4Thanks man, how did you find that? All I could find was some crappy cell phone footage of some girl getting kicked.
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+6what the hell is wrong with you...
      • computergod, on 01/16/2008, -3/+4What's wrong with you? Morbid curiosity is part of human nature. Don't tell me you never take a look when driving by an accident scene or look out the window if an ambulance pulls up to the neighbors house.
  • Tarale, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Original article at Amnesty International's web site.
    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/ ...
  • CaptainLando, on 01/16/2008, -2/+5Personally I would put more emphasis on getting these people fair trials rather than changing the punishment. What good does it do to kill a person in a "more humane" way who is actually innocent?
  • OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 01/16/2008, -5/+4as an aside, under Islamic law, to punish someone by stoning, the crime must be adultery. To prove adultery, there must be four witnesses to the actual act of penetration. All four witnesses must be known as trustworthy (they have never told a lie, given false testimony, committed major sin, etc.), and their testimonies must corroborate each others 100%. Failure to meet this extremely burdensome evidentiary standard results in all accusers (including the insufficient witnesses) being lashed 80 times each and their testimony is never accepted for the rest of their lives. So you see, theoretically, there is a huge incentive to leave someone alone and not accuse them of adultery. I've heard it claimed that nobody in the history of Islamic law has ever been convicted of adultery under this standard.

    In all cases where Islamic law is not violated, it has been because the adulterer confesses to their crime and asks to be punished (as an expiation for their sin in this life instead of the hereafter). However, in practice, most criminal justice systems in the world today are not so idealistic and employ much lower standards of evidence before convicting and sentencing someone for adultery.
    • ZenMojo, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3Like, hypothetically, placing an assumption of innocence and burden of proof on a 12 person jury of one's peers seems like a reasonable standard for the death penalty. Of course, turn the convicted into a young black man and those peers into middle aged white southerners and all it takes is one geriatric witness to put a man to death.
      This is why I'm against the death penalty universally.
    • CondoleezzaRice, on 01/16/2008, -1/+3Do they keep tapes of the penetration? Post them online, possibly? I need them because I am... studying Islamic law. Yeah.
    • ukfoole, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Actually, I quite believe there is the definition of proving adultery if the perpatrator is a man. If it is a woman, simple accusation is more than enough proof to head off to the stoning field.
      • OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0100% false under Islamic law. I can't speak for however fascist countries attempt to implement islamic law though because I don't know
  • hillkiwi, on 01/16/2008, -1/+8Am I the only one that thinks these people are just a couple hundred years behind us? Didn't we burn people alive for being witches a few hundred years back? I'm not saying it's right, but keep in mind they're just like us in another time.
  • bryceman111, on 01/16/2008, -3/+2oops, i messed up.
  • Yage2006, on 01/16/2008, -0/+4How will stoning IRAN end death ?
  • there, on 01/16/2008, -2/+3I slam Bush fundys all the time for being such violent vengeful hypocrites (definitely not Jesus-like) but that does not mean stoning isn't barbaric and sadistic. Shame on Iranians for continuing such savage practices. I seriously doubt if Mohammed was a man of peace and love he would approve.
    • ardalan89, on 01/16/2008, -0/+4Its not the Iranians who have control on whether there should be stoning or not....its a tyranny over there...the people do not have any rights.
      most of the population doesn't believe in Islam anymore....the Islamic republic has made them detest it with its super corrupt filled government.
      its just like our issue with the bush administration but at a far far worse scale. ps : i lived there for 14 years
      • there, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3I know what your saying here bro but the people need to at least try to stand up to their government. We can't do everything for them.

        It's tough enough trying to keep the local fundies from rolling back the clock to the good old days of 500 AD..

        ")
    • tsotha, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2Dude, you need to seriously brush up on your history. Mohammed was the furthest thing from a man of peace and love.
  • orion2013, on 01/16/2008, -5/+2Barbarians
    • cambob76, on 01/16/2008, -1/+3No. They're in their own land.
      • there, on 01/16/2008, -2/+1I don't agree dude. You can't support evil actions no matter if they are in America or in Iran.

        We can't be afraid to criticize one another because if we start thinking like that nothing ever improves.
      • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1uhh...so hitler was "just doing his own thing"? and we shouldnt have done anything because he was in his own country torturing, beating, raping and evicting jews without mercy while building up an army to take on the world?

        i think you need to reword your comment, i dont think thats really what you meant.

        I think we need to respect different cultures ideals and ways of doing things, but where does that end? There has to be a point where other countries should step in, mass genocide is one of them in my opinion. Only in extremes like that should we enter another country and correct something they are doing, but i do think in certain instances its necessary to avoid undue suffering of innocents.

        it should definitely not be done for political, economical, or geographical gain however. Which is where it gets skewed, because governments can claim they are trying to stop a genocide, but are really going in for oil or something similar.
  • SemiSarcastic, on 01/16/2008, -4/+9I think we're all missing the point here: We should all be accepting of other cultures and how they operate. As an avid promoter of multi-cultural understandings it shouldn't be our business to say what they should and shouldn't do. I say if we can still use lethal injection they can continue to stone people, even if we ban the death penalty outright they can still use the method of stoning because we as Westerners shouldn't come off as being intolerant.
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -1/+5saying something seems wrong from our perspective is not the same as going in there, dominating the country, and forcing them to stop. We're just having a discussion about morality here.

    • CaptainLando, on 01/16/2008, -3/+3NIcely put.
      The realization of our own ethnocentrism is a must before we even begin to criticize another culture's practices.
      • tsotha, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Eh, you realize that was sarcasm, right?
        • CaptainLando, on 01/16/2008, -1/+1Their name is only "semisarcastic"... it was not sarcasm this time.
      • SemiSarcastic, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1lol I think I'm being dugg up for the wrong reasons here.
  • rhcp123, on 01/16/2008, -9/+6Amazing. A fact such as Iranians stone women to death for adultery is somehow blamed on the United States and an MSM conspiracy to control the world. Yet, when Christians argue for monogamy or not having sex before marriage they're called backwards simple-minded conservative folk. When Iranians stone women to death for adultery, they're just pawns in a US game for global domination and completely innocent of any wrongdoing. Amazing.
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+4you're leaning against a man made of straw and arguing with him.
    • xXxShadowfoxXx, on 01/16/2008, -2/+2Yeah, but to most Christian bashers, they live next to us. Islam is something that's far away, and something they don't have to deal with every day.
    • tsotha, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2This is Digg, my friend. George Bush is responsible for everything bad in the world.

      Is this your first day here?
    • ukfoole, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2Digg politics - Leave your logic at the door and step up to a nice cup of American-bashing piss.
  • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -6/+1Sad, very sad that things like this still go on in the world. Not any more/less sad than bombing of civilians or starving people all over the world that could be bought food with the military budgets of the world. We're way ahead technologically, but very far behind socially.
    • hillkiwi, on 01/16/2008, -1/+2Bringing food to those people is the worst thing you could do. The ones that feed/survive will produce 10 more with the same problems. It sounds harsh, but the only way to fix that problem is to decrease their population by 90%.
      • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -2/+1mass genocide eh? im assuming you're the one who dugg me down too, please kill yourself or at least die without reproducing, your food/water/oxygen can be given to someone who actually deserves to live and wants to help their fellow man/woman/child.

        Feeding starving people all over the world and helping them get their countries back in order so they can feed themselves is something that everyone needs to help with. Leaving them to die is wrong and a cruel form of laziness.
        • hillkiwi, on 01/16/2008, -1/+2First off, I didn't digg you up or down - since I agreed with the first part of your post. Secondly, I'll probably reproduce, but my race reproduces less than 2 offspring per couple, meaning my decreasing people won't overrun my country like cain toads.

          I'll admit 90% may have been an exaggeration, but many regions in Africa are over populated and all the food in the world is just going to make that worse.

          It's a sad reality but nature is a bitch.

          As for the "please kill yourself" comment, Digg is a place for adults and the intelligent to congregate. If you're unable meet this standard I'm sure we can find somewhere else on the web more appropriate for your limitations.
          • hillkiwi, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2PS: I dugg you up for your last comment.
        • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+2A) digg is full of idiots, if you cant admit that you need to take another look through the average comments on this site.

          B) if you're talking about white people, there are quite a lot of families(catholics , mormons, for instance) that have very very large families. We are going to overrun our country someday, not soon because we had a small starting population, we killed off all the original inhabitants of the country, and we have a large amount of land compared to our current population, but it will happen. Race has nothing to do with it, religions that tell people that contraception is a sin is. Africa is very uneducated on this matter as well, giving them condoms and explaining their use would help with the rampant AIDS epidemic and their out of control birth rate.

          C) Saying we shouldnt feed people that are starving makes you the worst kind of person. Saying we should let them die so we dont have to worry about them breeding even more is even worse. Teaching them about contraception, rebuilding their countries, giving them food/clothing/shelter/water, and then leaving them alone, is exactly what we should be doing, and is the responsibility of everyone in the world, mostly because the world had their hands in destabilizing that area.

          Also, i wasnt saying you should kill yourself just to be an evil prick, i was saying you should kill yourself based on your own statement that people are a burden on the world and should die so that we dont burden her anymore.

          if you didnt digg me down i guess i was dugg down by 3 random idiots like yourself that would rather be lazy than solve a problem with a fairly simple solution.
        • hillkiwi, on 01/16/2008, -1/+2A) You might have a point, maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part

          B) The white people (along with some other races) are decreasing in numbers. Here in Canada: it's about 1.5 kids per couple (source below). As for the religion comment, you are absolutely right. In my opinion religion has done far more damage to Africa than the original colonists.

          C) Alright, there might be other solutions than genocide, how about mass sterilization? We could do it by airplane (add something to their water). I will concede there are other options. Yes, I am evil, but those who think my way get things done.

          Also, calling people idiots at random doesn't help your cause. But do it if you must.

          http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050712/d050712 ...
          • mancat, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3I like your style. Let me know when you start putting an army together.
          • abuelos84, on 01/16/2008, -1/+1"Yes, I am evil, but those who think my way get things done." --> That statement sounded pretty mediocre and cinical, dude...
          • hillkiwi, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1mancat: All due things in all due time.
    • BriscoeJr, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0Does it ever get lonely on that pedestal all by yourself?
    • ukfoole, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0Didn't you already try that. All those donations that were made in the 80's and 90's to African didn't seem to perk that place up one bit. Isn't there like 2 countries down there not engaged in bitter clan conflicts and attempted genocides?

      Besides, a military presence is required to deploy the food or else it ends up in the stockpiles of the controlling political party. Give the wikipedia article on Mogadishu during Clinton's reign a good read and you will soon come to realize that just handing over supplies like that isn't really helpful.
  • Mikhail101, on 01/16/2008, -2/+11Wow thats ***** horrible but America should have no say, they get away with ***** like what they do to the inmates in abu ghuraib and waterboarding and stuff we dont know about. Even Mitt said how he does not want to disclose torture to the people.

    Im probably gonna get buried...
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -2/+1im going to respond to anyone saying things like this, it seems some people dont understand simple things.

      Americans =/= american government/military.

      Everyone in america is not responsible for the prisons they're keeping those so-called "terrorists" in without telling them what they did, or giving them a trial. Everyone in america is not responsible for attacking iraq, or bombing of civilians, or anything else the government has ordered. Almost half of america did not vote for george bush or dick cheney, and he did not ask the rest of the government if he could start the war in iraq, he just did it. We're currently pushing to impeach him, but he'll probably be out of office anyway because of the upcoming election first. Also, half of the people that DID vote for him are now against him with his 20-30% approval rating in the USA.

      please get your terms straight and stop blaming everyone in a country for the actions of a few crazed individuals.
      -----------------------------------------------------
      to respond to your comment:
      saying something is wrong, and going in there and doing something about it is entirely different. Its perfectly fine to have a discussion about how we think something another country or group of people is doing is immoral.
    • Tarale, on 01/16/2008, -1/+0Where does the article mention America? The article I read mentioned Amnesty International, but it did not mention America. In fact, they seem to be referencing the UK branch of Amnesty International.
    • tsotha, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0Buried? For bashing America on Digg? That's a joke, right?
  • nicksauce, on 01/16/2008, -2/+7The author of this article was later stoned to death for, quote, "questioning the will of Allah".
  • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -1/+3The thing thats bothering me about this i can't imagine who they would get to do the stoning? police? volunteers?. Maybe they get police to draw lots and the losers have to stone them? if its done by volunteer...thats very scary.
  • rhcp123, on 01/16/2008, -2/+4That's right...though I disagree with waterboarding by the US government...to say that it is as worse/worse than stoning women to death is just a complete lapse in competent judgement...and Amnesty International is not the same thing as America, please learn to read.
    • ZenMojo, on 01/16/2008, -0/+4Why is stoning women so much worse than men? The real problem is stoning adulterers and innocent people regardless of gender.
      • CondoleezzaRice, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3Simple, Diggers are sexist.
        • yahoofrom, on 01/17/2008, -0/+1Of course diggers are the sexist people in the world and they get laid every minute.
  • Tarale, on 01/16/2008, -3/+2How is everybody getting "America" out of an article about Amnesty International?
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -2/+2america is responsible for everything wrong in the world!duh =P

      no one is responsible for their own situations, they point their fingers everywhere but their own hearts.

      now...the USA is definitely meddling with things that we shouldnt be, but the above still holds true.
    • Caeili, on 01/16/2008, -2/+2It's because this is Digg and on Digg you are required to shift blame for all things bad to the US.
      It's the hip thing to do.
      • abuelos84, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1yeah right, it's because it's "hip", totally unfunded accusations...
  • SpykerSpeed, on 01/16/2008, -1/+2WTF is the point of noting that the majority of people executed by stoning are women? Stoning itself is barbaric, whether it's a man or a woman. It's pitiful they feel like they have to emphasize the sexist nature of Iran's justice system in order to get the world to pay attention.
    • BriscoeJr, on 01/16/2008, -2/+0What if she's a really hot woman, and all she did was cheat on her husband. haha j/k

      If I could be serious for a moment I would like to make a valid point. Ask yourself THIS. What would upset you more as a child, your mom dying, or your dad?
  • rxbudian, on 01/16/2008, -2/+3Agreed with CaptainLando on focusing more on getting fair trials. But in my opinion punishment is used to deter crime. The more horrific the punishment is, the more people will start thinking twice before committing the crime.
    Plus, it's their country, they should be able to do whatever they want without other countries imposing their morals and values. What if some other country starts insisting that America not jail convicts because it's inhumane to confine anyone, how about protecting Registered Sex Offender from being thrown out of your community?
  • rinaus, on 01/16/2008, -3/+2sad... but it works in some how...
  • knodi, on 01/16/2008, -3/+3Is this really worst then locking someone up for there whole life?
    • BriscoeJr, on 01/16/2008, -1/+0Is it worse on society? A lot of people in Texas might say, No.
  • anewname, on 01/16/2008, -5/+1http://www.digg.com/odd_stuff/10_year_old_girl_has ...

    We're talkin' India here. Yeah, stoning is really bad. Just put it in perspective, please. Please don't go rushing into war in Iran because of the glaring human rights violations. They're all over the place.

    Stop all the atrocities, or start reeling in the empire. It's hard to pick and choose and still maintain credibility in my books.
    • Caeili, on 01/16/2008, -2/+1"Please don't go rushing into war in Iran because of the glaring human rights violations."
      What? Who is calling for war over this? Near as I can tell this report was not even prepaired by the US. Can you Diggers even comprehend what you read?
    • ukfoole, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0I really don't think Amnesty International is going to rush in gung ho with rifles ablaze.

      Or, do you not realize how you are an Iranian appologist? Can no one point out things they take issue with if some country also has a major beef with them? Wow, that seems a great way to take over an area. Simply be an evil git and then say "Aww.. we may do this, but it is only being brought up because Venezuela wants to invade us. Boo-hoo."
  • ardalan89, on 01/16/2008, -2/+4The Islamic government of Iran should be nuked by its own people...god damn it...its a shame to see these barbaric mullah ***** taking over the country...there needs to be a diplomatic revolution to overthrow these *****...but its scary to even see how the majority of Iranians risk there lives protesting....very sad
  • zibox, on 01/16/2008, -4/+6*****.... As someone who is familiar with Iranian law, Iran has officially stopped stoning for a couple of years now. The head of the judiciary has issued a directive banning this as a corporal punishment and it has been enforced. What has not happened yet is that it has not been removed from criminal law statutes.
    • jabberwolf, on 01/16/2008, -3/+2HAHA you think the judiciary controls the right wind religious facists?!
      • zibox, on 01/16/2008, -0/+3do you even know what you're talking about?
      • Khyber00, on 01/16/2008, -1/+1I think all he sees are mullahs every where feed by Fox news or probably he is talking about america are you?
      • abuelos84, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1"right wind religious facists"
        Yeah, those pesky blowers...
  • ps1locyd3, on 01/16/2008, -2/+4This is a pretty good example of why I dispise religions in general... There is so much bias and intolerance veiled within them its appalling. You watch so called 'righteous' people do the most heinus and dispicable acts in the name of GOD, and other members of that religion praise there actions. Suicide bombers kill hundreds of people every year, and it seems there is always a connection to GOD or ALLAH... and people exault them as martyrs...doing the 'work' of the mighty one. I am appalled at the events scattered throughout history that 'christian' people have done in the name of their god to fellow men. The crusades, spanish inquisition, the conquering of the people of the New World, Salem Witch trials... I mean, the list is literally F'ing endless. I am proud to have atheistic views of the world because I have come to understand it through science and intellect.... faith in a God is just an excuse not to deal with the truth. You are a ***** Sapien, a highly evolved ape, and you are also a concious being, able to think and reason and learn....but for some reason we all found it easier to believe in intangible thoughts and ideas to explain the world around us...we just didn't want to take the time to understand because we are finite beings with limits. Limits that we just aren't interested in pushing or even understanding in the limited time we have here. People need to realize these truths before human society can continue to grow. For those who don't know, or understand, any of what I'm saying...go to your local community college or university and take a course in Anthropology or Physics (I know, askin alot there) or Philosophy. Just take that little bit of extra time to understand your world better and you will help more than just yourself, you'll help us all.
    • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0paragraphs, use em. also, it has a spell check built in, not a big deal but why fight something thats trying to help you?
    • BriscoeJr, on 01/16/2008, -0/+0"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - Verbal Kint.

      Oh!, you just got PWNED by Verbal Kint. Am I the only one who thought that quote was from the bible? My mom (Kerry) always throws that line at me when we talk about religion. Now I know, and when she says it again....POW RIGHT IN THE KISSER!

      What if the world ends before we get over this religion hurdle? Can you say irony? I can, in fact I just did, but not because god made me.
    • abuelos84, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1Great comment, man, you got my vote.
  • zhuk, on 01/16/2008, -3/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
  • Gemfinder, on 01/16/2008, -1/+2Y'know, I don't get why they do ***** like this and then get all huffy because they think we hate them.
    • alanr19, on 01/16/2008, -3/+3Yeah true, thank god we in the US would NEVER think about executing someone.
  • spanker, on 01/16/2008, -3/+2I seriously hope someone in this world has enough guts and will power to remove this sadistic,dictatorial and racist regime off this planet soon or we will be bowing down to their nuclear capabilities in the next few years.
    • alanr19, on 01/16/2008, -1/+4Which regime are you talking about? Ours or theirs. OR have you swallowed this propaganda piece too?
  • Halsfield, on 01/16/2008, -0/+1@ spanker - the problem is, governments would love to claim someone is doing something evil , genocidal, etc for political , economical, or geographical gain. Thats why groups like the UN need to be involved and a vote needs to be put to the question of whether or not to step in and do something about it. The UN seems to like to take its time and only intervene at the last minute in a lot of cases however. I think they could use a reorganization to make them more efficient and remove the 5 founding nations bs.

    We cant just go in and take over a country and force them to stop doing something for every immoral act, if we were going to do that, we would have WW3 on our hands as the nations being invaded fought back and joined forces to fight the nations trying to invade them. If the invaders won, we'd have a New World Order situation, and im not sure that would be a good thing.
  • eyal0, on 01/16/2008, -2/+3How dare you Westerners impose your morality on Iran! You Americans claim to be unbiased, a country where all religions, even Muslim, are accepted. But when the Muslim precepts demand the stoning of a dozen Iranian countrymen, your true, anti-Muslim, dare I say fascist, colors shine. Any American who is against the war in Iraq and waterboard torture of Muslims must be in favor of Muslim free will, including the Muslim right to throw rocks at people that have been convicted by kangaroo courts until they are dead-dead-dead.

    (I'm totally joking. The sarcasm has a point: If your religion causes you to stone people, I do NOT have to tolerate your religion. Let's STOP preaching blind religious/faith tolerance in the USA.)
  • alanr19, on 01/16/2008, -3/+3Why is it that when we talk about other countrys that we have a propaganda campaign against, we alway bang on about human rights, but ewhen it comes to talking about the US that goes out the window. We in the US execute more people than Iran, drop more ordnance on innocent people than Iran, destroy more countrys than Iran, but we're gonna give them a hard time about HUMAN ***** RIGHTS?

    Wake the ***** up diggers. the linked article is a propaganda piece.
  • Ferre1, on 01/16/2008, -1/+1Religion, anyone?
  • Multimeter, on 01/16/2008, -1/+1As far as Bush is concerned, each time they stone one of their own, it makes his job just a little easier
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