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Edited Photo Proves China Faked Tibet Violence

chinaview.wordpress.com — A photo that shows a Chinese policeman pretending to be a rampaging Tibetan monk during violence in Lhasa was Photoshopped, and the policeman edited out.

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  • aki009, on 04/04/2008, -2/+65Hey, they have taken a page from Goebbel's book. The bigger the lie, the easier it's to accept.
    • digf, on 04/04/2008, -19/+3The second picture is photoshopped.
      http://avoidbeingfooled.blogspot.com/2008/04/truth ... The Truth Behind "Chinese posed as monks to stage riots"
    • matrixbandit, on 04/04/2008, -9/+9We (The US) aren't allowed to be TOO mad at the Chinese, after all, we'll probably need them to finance another war for us before too long.
      • WNW3, on 04/04/2008, -6/+13Plus there is the matter of the pot calling the kettle black
    • alkajazz, on 04/04/2008, -1/+5Why would the Chinese government want to stage these protests so close to the Olympics? It doesn't make sense to me. But maybe that was their plan all along.
      • MacEnvy, on 04/04/2008, -1/+14They aren't staging the protests, they're staging the "violence" to try to justify their own horrible actions in the face of the protests. The protests themselves are very real.
      • alkajazz, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2Ah thanks for setting the record straight. China would of caught flak even if the protests weren't staged. Doesn't change the fact that Tibet has a legitimate reason to revolt.
      • Beijing08Facade, on 04/04/2008, -1/+3Because There has been many tension growing in Tibet for few months (before the March 10) as Chinese Gov't Pushes many policies to REGULATE Tibetan Buddhist ceremonies, Many Lay Tibetans have lay Tibetans have also been showing frustration for many years now because of all the jobs going towards Han Chinese who has moved in Tibet to make Much better money than if they had stayed in their own Provinces or other Chinese cities.
        Also important to note is because of the Train now linked to Lhasa, Tibet, more and more Chinese are coming in, (Beijing's exact plan to dilute/marginalize and further eliminate Tibetan Identity).

        So you see, because of all these Tensions, and i'm not just talking of past few yrs, i'm talking about ever since the Brutal Invasion of Tibet, China has taken every step necessary to radically remove Tibetan "IDENTITY" (culture, language, religion, tradition, livelihood).
        I say Livelihood because Tibetan Nomads have been forced to move to City, thus destroying their way of life as they fail to compete in City w/ Han Chinese.

        More of what has been and still is going on in Tibet:
        http://www.feer.com/features/2008/march/chinas-tib ...
        • Mcdz, on 04/05/2008, -1/+0"Also important to note is because of the Train now linked to Lhasa, Tibet, more and more Chinese are coming in, (Beijing's exact plan to dilute/marginalize and further eliminate Tibetan Identity)."
          Another way to look at it is...modernization. How do you expect a civilizatoin to improve and advance without changing? Or maybe, the tibetan's just want their IDENTITY to remain as backwarded nomads? Oh wait, I forgot, the Western countries have a tendency to wish eastern countries to remain poor and weak, as can be seen in the 1800s, with the opium war and the eight-nation alliance which destroyed and pillaged many of China's relics, just to secure their position as superpowers. I'm pretty sure you've heard of the saying "the only constant is change"...
          "I say Livelihood because Tibetan Nomads have been forced to move to City, thus destroying their way of life as they fail to compete in City w/ Han Chinese."
          ...Competition is what drives development in our society. How do you think capitalism works? It's so amazing how one-sided ppl's arguments are on digg. I understand the Chinese government might not be perfect, but please don't write such outrageously slanderous comments--turning even a good thing bad.
    • Beijing08Facade, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2Because There has been many tension growing in Tibet for few months (before the March 10) as Chinese Gov't Pushes many policies to REGULATE Tibetan Buddhist ceremonies, Many Lay Tibetans have lay Tibetans have also been showing frustration for many years now because of all the jobs going towards Han Chinese who has moved in Tibet to make Much better money than if they had stayed in their own Provinces or other Chinese cities.
      Also important to note is because of the Train now linked to Lhasa, Tibet, more and more Chinese are coming in, (Beijing's exact plan to dilute/marginalize and further eliminate Tibetan Identity).

      So you see, because of all these Tensions, and i'm not just talking of past few yrs, i'm talking about ever since the Brutal Invasion of Tibet, China has taken every step necessary to radically remove Tibetan "IDENTITY" (culture, language, religion, tradition, livelihood).
      I say Livelihood because Tibetan Nomads have been forced to move to City, thus destroying their way of life as they fail to compete in City w/ Han Chinese.

      More of what has been and still is going on in Tibet:
      http://www.feer.com/features/2008/march/chinas-tib ...
    • shortcircuit13, on 04/04/2008, -4/+5"The bigger the lie, the easier it's to accept."
      Especially if it plays into trendy hatred of China.

      How else would we explain invoking Godwin's Law based on an "article" in China's version of the National Enquirer?
    • Frnnkdlxx, on 04/04/2008, -5/+1Oooh! Nazi quote! Time for a quick "9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!" plug!
    • krizzle, on 04/05/2008, -3/+0Someone needs to alert the library about one of their books missing a page!!
    • bluezinc, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1They're copying us, again! Pshh, typical China.
  • SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/04/2008, -2/+154In Toronto last weekend, there were demonstrations among the Tibetans living in Canada... And they were heckled by the Chinese living in Toronto. Turns out, the Chinese language newspapers printed in Canada has been regurgitating the mainland's propaganda almost word for word.
    • CheeseburgerBro, on 04/04/2008, -3/+39My Chinese-Canadian sister-in-law has been convinced (by watching one documentary on a Chinese government channel) that the Dalai Lama is a two-faced terrorist, that Tibetans are beating one another senseless for no good reason, and richest of all, that Chinese police are not allowed to carry weapons within Lhasa (which may or may not be a law on paper, but it isn't a fact in the streets) and thus cannot be responsible for any troublemaking.
      • flashback99, on 04/04/2008, -18/+5The Lama isnt a terrorist, but he is full of *****. I'm against any kind of violence, but the buddism that the Lama and his followers teach as universal truth consists of homophobia and various other religious *****.

        To put what's happening in China into perspective (and without using an Islam analogy), imagine a religion became so popular in a country that it's followers demanded land and independent laws from it's host country. How would you tackle the situation? China thinks force is necessary, I don't completely agree.
        • ahughes, on 04/04/2008, -3/+5"imagine a religion became so popular in a country that it's followers demanded land and independent laws from it's host country."
          Reminiscent of the Catholic Church some hundreds of years ago.
        • parax, on 04/04/2008, -2/+13I can't think of something more potentially inflammatory than to say the Dalai Lama is "full of *****". To have a constructive dialog you might want to experiment with phrases like "I disagree with.." or "I don't understand his point of view.."

          I don't think you understand what Tibet wants. The Dalai Lama, long ago, stopped asking for its complete freedom from China. Tibetans are not followers who demand land and independent laws. They do, however, think it would be nice if the Chinese would not use their religious temples as target practice for bombs and rockets. They would be less resistant to Chinese rule if they weren't treated as second class citizens. China even makes ridiculous laws against their religion. Like creating a law saying that you can't reincarnate without filing the proper notification papers (like that makes any sense).

          The violence that China uses against the Tibetan people is only the capstone of the issue. Even without the violence, China oppresses the Tibetan people in every conceivable manner.
          • flashback99, on 04/06/2008, -1/+2This is digg not wikipedia.

            "Like creating a law saying that you can't reincarnate without filing the proper notification papers (like that makes any sense)."

            This is an excellent law. What better way to convince buddists that they are here for life and they should get a real job that contributes to the chinese economy? Yes, that's a controversial statement.
    • compucomp2, on 04/04/2008, -12/+3Good for them. They know what's really going on. You see, not every Chinese living in the West is a traitor.
      • thecoolestguy, on 04/04/2008, -2/+4I would say you're a traitor to the west.
      • thecoolestguy, on 04/05/2008, -2/+7You should be deported.
        • compucomp2, on 04/06/2008, -2/+1They contribute more to Western society by actually supplying technical expertise rather than being a glob of grease in their mother's basement playing WoW all day.
    • shortcircuit13, on 04/04/2008, -4/+8Talking about propaganda when you're all so eager to take the Epoch Times (China's Falungong-run National Enquirer) as gospel truth is really quite pitiful. Then again, your minds have already been made up, and it's easy to believe something if it reinforces personal bigotries.
      • atact88, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2You're right, everyone knows western media is the true Gospel
    • thailand1972, on 04/05/2008, -2/+2Why do so many Chinese emigrate from China?
      • Mcdz, on 04/05/2008, -0/+2I dunno, same reason why so many Italians, thais, vietnamese, korean, japanese, german, irish, etc. emigrate?
  • digf, on 04/04/2008, -64/+2http://rjones2818.blogspot.com/2008/04/q-on-tibet. ... Q&A on Tibet
    http://www.tibetinfor.com/tibetzt/tibet50-en/talk/ ... Talk about Tibet
    http://www.tibettravel.info/tibet-history/ - A Brief History of Tibet
    http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html - Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
    journeyeast.tripod.com/western_scholars.html Tortures in old Tibet
    http://www.trimondi.de/EN/deba02.html - I WAS A TANTRIC SEX SLAVE FOR A SENIOR TIBETAN BUDDHIST MONK
    http://www.trimondi.de/EN/links.htm#SEXABUSE
    http://www.newspiritualbible.com/index2 The Secret Truth about The Dalai Lama (Hitler and the Dalai
    Lama)
    • wTheOnew, on 04/04/2008, -1/+17Elitist Chinese?
    • seraph582, on 04/04/2008, -0/+3>.>

    • ralphthemagi, on 04/04/2008, -2/+18Are you ***** KIDDING me?

      I've seen my fair share of conspiracy theories, but this is on the order of those having to do with time travel in order to get Bush elected as President.
      • nathanChoi, on 04/04/2008, -4/+1It's not really a conspiracy theory that the Dali Llama is only concerned with getting the Llama (priest) class back into power in Tibet. Did you know that they advocated the use of, and used themselves, slavery? There was widespread poverty in Tibet before the Chinese ever came in. Now I'm not saying that the Chinese themselves are perfect - to me it's like picking your poison. But the Dali Llama and the whole peace movement isn't what it's cracked up to be. Watch Penn and Teller's *****! episode called Holier than thou, it pretty much goes into the whole thing.
    • anillop, on 04/04/2008, -1/+13Oh god that is some of the funniest ***** I have seen in a while. How stupid do you have to be to actually believe that blatant Chinese propaganda. I actually feel sorry for the backward simpletons who would believe that crap.
      • sougly, on 04/04/2008, -0/+5There's a lot of Chinese Americans who believe it.
        • ShrimpCrackers, on 04/05/2008, -0/+4A lot of Chinese Americans will also tell you...
          1) Democracy may not help or be compatible with China
          2) Taiwan, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Uyghur, Korea, have always been a part of China since ancient times.

          What? Don't believe? Check out the local Chinese Students and Scholars Association. They're in many colleges. They've been implicated for spying and if you've ever been to any of their meetings as I have, its regular at first, but after you get involved you start seeing some rather interesting things on US soil.

          http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=of ...
    • InfamousAtheist, on 04/05/2008, -0/+3I can't believe you haven't been banned yet. You paste the same comment into EVERY Tibet story.
      Loser.
    • wangjiaji, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1bitch
  • ssn697, on 04/04/2008, -5/+188Giving the Olympics to China is going EXACTLY as expected...
    • MWeather, on 04/04/2008, -3/+25If we let Hitler host it, it's hard to come up with a good reason to exclude China. Pity Tibet doesn't have it's own Olympic team, so they can pull a Jesse Owens on China.
      • Zegarek, on 04/04/2008, -3/+7“The sportive, knightly battle awakens the best human characteristics. It doesn't separate, but unites the combatants in understanding and respect. He also helps to connect the countries in the spirit of peace. That's why the Olympic Flame should never die.” Adolf Hitler- 1936

        Hitler was a dick, but at least he understood the true nature and meaning of the Olympic games.
        • Thuktun, on 04/04/2008, -1/+7un.der.state.ment (noun) - "Hitler was a dick"
        • aki009, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2I can not believe that anyone would take anything that Hitler said as a reflection of what he really believed. Everything he did and said, all the way to his end, was a show. Quoting any of the crap he uttered along the way simply shows that you have no concept of who this monster was.
      • mrSt1klBak, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1That true meaning being to showcase Aryan superiority, right? That worked out well
    • nazsco, on 04/04/2008, -1/+5No one 'gives' the olympic games. You buy it. you know, with money.
    • FutureGuy, on 04/04/2008, -2/+4And how about giving all of the world manufacturing and technology? Its a sad irony that almost everything in my house including the pc I am using to type this is made in China. At this point they can pretty much do whatever they want, they control most of worlds manufacturing they can bring the world including US to a grinding halt, sure it would effect their economy but that's the beauty of being a communist government, they don't really care. China worries me.
    • Spoomeister, on 04/04/2008, -0/+2And if it doesn't go alright, we can use photoshop to add or remove athletes or protesters later.
    • GliTCH82, on 04/05/2008, -1/+1This is just one thing that made it to the surface, people, imagine what else must go on that we won't even get to know about. Makes you wonder if some of those same tactics are used right here by some elements of our government and media at home.
    • shtailor88, on 04/12/2008, -0/+0It's not true,tibet has been part of china since yuan dynasty 700 years before.In 1959,chinese troop crack down the dalai lama group revolt,it's not regard as "invade".Dalai lama's troop have to escape china and reside in abroad.Of course,their offspring still want to monoply tibet now,they of course feel no human right. Up to now,even us president bush admit tibet is part of china,the world gov all admit this truth.If someone say tibet is a country,do you think american native indian should seperation from u.s.?california and new mexico was belong to mexico 2 century before,do they need seperation from u.s?

      Boycott olympic is shameful,they break human beautiful dream just because brain washed by western media biased report on tibetan problem.They said china kill tibetan peace protester,in fact,they kill han people and loot and burn han people store.They said china ruined their culture,in fact,chinese respect and reserve their culture in any area,even to the mordern mobile phone system,chinese developed tibetan words sms system.such miniority ethnic folk has their own version sms system.Tibetan has no industry,but china invest billions of rmb to construct tibet every year.Tibetan people has more franchise than common han people in education and employment.Do you tebitan hasn't human right?
  • fr0ng, on 04/04/2008, -3/+10That's a pretty good chop.
  • cdemi, on 04/04/2008, -4/+93PHOTOSHOPPED!!!11
  • iirrkk, on 04/04/2008, -2/+17That's ***** up.
  • glasnostic, on 04/04/2008, -9/+3nevermind
  • johnlm89, on 04/04/2008, -20/+3Pics or it di--- oh, I see what you did there.
  • laserblazer, on 04/04/2008, -1/+9Revisionism and agent provocateurs? What peaceful people could hope to endure?
    • gavinonymous, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2at the SPP summit in Canada last year, agent provocateurs also had green markings to identify them to police - like this guy does!
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
      all I can say is markyourself with flourescent green before going to a protest to protect yourself like the agents trying to incite a riot.
  • ucdesemuscles, on 04/04/2008, -23/+2Maybe the guy with the knife was already there to begin with and they photoshopped his image out.
    • jhuebel, on 04/04/2008, -0/+9RTFA. He was there. They photoshopped him out after it was revealed that he was a plant.
    • Dibou, on 04/04/2008, -0/+6That was the whole point of the article. The guy photoshopped out is supposedly a chinese police officer.
      • CedEx, on 04/04/2008, -2/+0How can we verify that he's a Chinese police officer? Right now, all we have is one person's word vs another person's word.
        • buckrogers1965, on 04/04/2008, -0/+3Why would the Chinese government photoshop out a knife wielding protester when it supports their own case to leave him in? Unless he is a cop and they are trying to hide evidence.
    • Clobbersaurus, on 04/04/2008, -2/+2Dugg for being an idiot.
    • SkippyDoorknob, on 04/04/2008, -0/+3Did you actually read the article? The guy really was there originally and the photo was used by the Chinese to show that the Tibetan protested were crazy and violent. But then it was discovered that the guy was actually a Chinese police officer who was "undercover" to make things look more violent. So then the Chinese edited the photo to remove the guy to try and hide what they had done.
    • Smokersroom, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1Nice one centurian...
  • PussInBoots, on 04/04/2008, -22/+20Those Chinese sons of the bitches are going down...
    • Benno, on 04/04/2008, -0/+25fire ze missles
    • shtailor88, on 04/12/2008, -0/+0If you civilized and respect freedom of speech,never alway roar "son of bitch".Saying "son of bitch" is son of bitch too.We have same human right before the free world.thanks for your opinion
  • debowne, on 04/04/2008, -15/+3BOYCOTT Ramen noodles
    • rficwizard, on 04/04/2008, -0/+5Nong Shim Ramen (my personal favorite) is made in the U.S.A.
      • Y0tsuya, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1Not to mention it's a Korean company.
    • Sabazou, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1Never!
    • madpie, on 04/04/2008, -0/+3I'm on sort of a ramen boycott these days, but only because it has too much sodium. Some ramen brands literally have 100% of your sodium for a day in one bowl of soup, but they try to make it look reasonable by saying that there are 2 servings in the bowl. It's saltastic.
      • Wrangler76, on 04/05/2008, -0/+0The nutritional labels are actually misleading unless you drink the soup base. I hope you don't. Also, you don't have to put the whole MSG/seasoning in. Nong Shim is smoking hot with even 3/4 a packet.
    • BESTenemy, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1Boycott the internet. More than half of your computer's components are made in China... oh, and don't forget to throw away your cell phone as well.
      / Sarcasm
    • blagoaw, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1The name 'ramen' is a Japanese transliteration of the Chinese 'la mian'. Worldwide, the name 'ramen' typically refers to instant noodles. In Japan however, ramen is often a fresh noodle. It's one of the cheaper street foods available in Japan and it's very popular. The 'la mian' served in China is also typically a fresh noodle. The Chinese call their instant noodles 'fangbian mian' (or, "convenience noodle"). According to many Chinese, the Japanese invented the instant noodle.. but you can take that with a pack of salty flavoring.

      The more you know.. [shooting star with music]
  • studdenfadden, on 04/04/2008, -11/+4Chinaview is run by the Falun Gong a cult that encourages its members to soak themselves in gas and then light themselves on fire as a form of protest. If there isn't a more reliable source for these pictures it is reasonable to assume that the website did the shopping, not the Chinese government.
    • JointVenture, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2pics or it didnt happen, oh wait, you'll just photoshop them.

      nevermind.
    • fuzzyshrapnel, on 04/05/2008, -1/+1I like how they have an article about how 80 million Chinese have died since the Communist party took over in 1949. How dare they allow people to age!
  • chrisinsocalif, on 04/04/2008, -14/+7Was this story told by "Fox News China?"
    • JointVenture, on 04/04/2008, -2/+3lil sensitive chinabot, get used to it, its part of being a big boy country.
  • NCSUspoon, on 04/04/2008, -6/+39What the hell is China's problem. If they ever want to join up with the rest of the civilized world, and they do, they are going to have to knock this ***** off.
    • aethelberga, on 04/04/2008, -0/+11You'd think so. But as long they have the world's largest consumer market, the rest of the world will continue to look the other way on their political, social and enviromental records.
    • RazDakarn, on 04/04/2008, -1/+6"If they ever want to join up with the rest of the civilized world, and they do, they are going to have to knock this ***** off."

      You think the West hasn't given itself in to secrecy and Doublethink?
    • Daiken, on 04/04/2008, -3/+23lol, the way I see it, China seems to be doing exactly the same things the rest of the western world has been doing for year. If you think your government has never lied to its people, then you're living in a fairy tale world.
    • gavinonymous, on 04/04/2008, -1/+10uh yeah, cos in civilized countries like Canada police don't go around inciting riots as agent provocateurs.
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
    • Mrlncognito, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1America and the Western World are not going to say *****. China is rich and the west wants good relations. Thats the bottom line.
    • JasonMath, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1Sorry, but the U.S. is more addicted to cheap Chinese products than oil. The weakening of the dollar could be beneficial towards reducing this addiction, as it makes imported products from any country that doesn't use the dollar more expensive. Unfortunately, the Chinese yuan is tied to the dollar, so you probably won't be seeing Chinese-made goods get more expensive anytime soon.
    • error792, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1I thought the idea wasn't peaceful integration but economic takeover.
  • ijacker, on 04/04/2008, -3/+52you call that a knife?

    ...now THIS is a knife!
    • leerayIG88, on 04/04/2008, -0/+9*shows a spoon*
    • SierraAlpha, on 04/04/2008, -2/+1*holds up spork*
    • bossgalaga, on 04/04/2008, -0/+3okay, okay...i see you've played knifey-spooney before...
    • JonHs, on 04/05/2008, -0/+4[Dundee is threatened by a mugger with a switchblade]
      Sue Charlton: Mick, give him your wallet.
      Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: What for?
      Sue Charlton: He's got a knife.
      Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: [chuckling] That's not a knife.
      Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: [Dundee draws a large Bowie knife]
      Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: *That's* a knife.
      [Dundee slashes the teen mugger's jacket. He and his friends run away]
      Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: Just kids having fun. You alright?
      Sue Charlton: I'm always all right when I'm with you Dundee.
  • HeavySausage, on 04/04/2008, -0/+125I wonder if they used a pirated copy of Photoshop.
    • lukasz007, on 04/04/2008, -0/+35No, they used a Chinese Knock off Version of Photoshop - "Photochop"
  • unclesam5, on 04/04/2008, -0/+9Great place to hold the Olympics.
    • Groovemaster, on 04/05/2008, -0/+2Yeah, they should hold the Olympics in the USA where they government doesn't just ***** up their own country, but as many other countries as they can get away with too!
  • hokie47, on 04/04/2008, -13/+12Hey China. Do you want to stay as a fascist country or do you want to embrace personal freedoms and democracy and become a truly great country? What will it be?

    (I know most people call them communist but I think fascist best describes them now days)
    • Corrosionx, on 04/04/2008, -0/+4Type-A Evil or Type-B Evil is still evil.
    • JointheArmy, on 04/04/2008, -4/+6"(I know most people call them communist but I think fascist best describes them now days)"

      Jesus Christ, why are you getting dugg up? Do people even know what fascism and communism are? They are complete opposites -- fascism on the extreme right, communism being on the extreme left. Fascism simply means the nation above the individual.

      You cannot call governments fascist everytime they censor or photoshop a photo. Otherwise you might as well label Communist Russia fascist, since they were photoshopping pictures way before your grandfather was born.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd ...
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd ...
      • WNW3, on 04/04/2008, -0/+2Nikolai Yezhov fell out of favor in April 10, 1939. My grandfather was about 18 at the time.
      • TekTrixter, on 04/04/2008, -1/+4I didn't know that Photoshop had been around that long
      • anonm, on 04/04/2008, -0/+3So actually China would be fascist, because they are very nationalistic and really don't care about their citizens...
      • hokie47, on 04/05/2008, -0/+4JointheArmy when you get to the far left and the far right of the political spectrum both sides are very much alike. Many professors use a circle instead of a line to describe the political spectrum.

        The reason why I say China is fascist is because they have a very nationalistic government and very powerful company leaders that control the masses.
        • Mcdz, on 04/05/2008, -2/+1"The reason why I say China is fascist is because they have a very nationalistic government and very powerful company leaders that control the masses"

          What is a "very nationalistic government"? Are you saying that other countries governments are NOT nationalistic?....

          And.. "very powerful company leaders that control the masses"? wtf?
      • Zettabyte, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1No it isn't get you facts right. quote from poltical compass:

        "....despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy)"
      • Corrosionx, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Both are total state and corporate control. They are not opposite. Their opposite is a truely free society.
  • SickDrummerJ, on 04/04/2008, -7/+6Boycott China in general!!!!
    • GliTCH82, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1Yeah, that's never gonna work. There are probably 100 different things right in front of you that are made in China. It probably wouldn't even have worked if you were Ted Kaczynski himself.
  • webefools, on 04/04/2008, -6/+24Boycott China! Free Tibet!
    • aadsm, on 04/04/2008, -1/+4Stop buying things made in china then, start with your computer, video games, general electronics, etc.
    • WNW3, on 04/04/2008, -3/+4And free Hawaii while you're at it. Freehawaii.org
    • madcat1212, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1I would rather a free timbit.
  • haobaba1, on 04/04/2008, -8/+6Americans must boycott everything chinese if we are to remain a super power.
    • elfster, on 04/04/2008, -2/+2We'd love to, but have your looked around lately; checked the label of your clothes, shoes, textiles, electronics, etc, etc, etc, etc????

      They are all made in China. I'd opt for going naked and shoeless to work in order to not buy China's crap, but I'm sure my employer would frown upon it :)
      • ashleegirl, on 04/04/2008, -1/+1tank top and shorts I am wearing- India; underwear- Czech Republic; crayons on my desk- USA; vitamins- USA; gloves- Malaysia; glue stick- Korea; camera, watch, computer- China; everything else- I can't find it.
        Not everything is made in China, you certainly wouldn't have to go around naked.
        • GliTCH82, on 04/05/2008, -0/+3Just in case, though, we should all just go commando anyway.
  • Corrosionx, on 04/04/2008, -3/+17How is this news? Is anyone surprised? It's not just happening in China or Tibet either, governments ALWAYS do this.
    • tiberone, on 04/04/2008, -2/+3Yeah those terrorist hijackers are all really American cops in disguise...
      • Peko, on 04/05/2008, -1/+2I don't know about you, but I noticed that the US invaded: Afghanistan, Iraq. Notably not invaded: Saudi Arabia
  • GenNove, on 04/04/2008, -6/+0BOY CHINA IS UNDER FIRE LATELY.


    i feel a war brewign and economical problems ahead for both the u.s and china.
  • wageslaven, on 04/04/2008, -13/+9Ok. Please help me out.

    Why "free tibet"? I would _never_ apologize for the assault and oppression in China, the point is it happens everywhere in China.

    But why should the province of Tibet be "freed"?

    The way I see it is this: People wish to restore a Theocracy in Tibet -- why? Why is this good?

    I wish _all_ of China's people could participate in the Social Democracy that they deserve, not this oppressive fascist nightmare they currently endure.

    I just cannot support a "Free Tibet" simply because of the religion in Tibet. I think a religion-free state in China is a better alternative to the backslide of religious fundamentalism that is involved in the "Free Tibet" effort.

    Someone explain this to me - dont just digg it down please.
    • neognostic, on 04/04/2008, -1/+10Then let the Tibetans vote on what they want, is that a simple and good enough explanation for you?
    • Bhima, on 04/04/2008, -0/+7His Holiness the Dali Lama has said flat out that there will not be a return to any form of absolute or totalitarian rule if he had any say in the matter. He is a very, very smart and caring person. He is also practically the embodiment of anti- religious fundamentalism... this religious fundamentalism about Tibet is just Chinese Agitprop.

      Also this comment:"I just cannot support a "Free Tibet" simply because of the religion in Tibet." is offensive. As it is suggestive that a theocracy in Israel is OK because their religion is Judaic or it OK in Saudi Arabia because they are Islamic. Thus I dug your comment down.
      • friday81, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1Israel is a democracy, not a theocracy, their leaders are elected by people, not religious elite. The Dalai Lama, on the other hand, is elected because of some divine enlightenment, that is the definition of theocracy. Not saying one is better than the other, but they are certainly not the same
      • barius, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1I didn't get that 'suggestion' from his comment, but it is offensive in that he is judging a people by their past theocratic rulers. There is no reason Tibet could not be a healthy democratic state, and still have a majority Buddhist belief.

        Further, a better example of your point would be the Pope/Vatican which can be truly called a theocracy.
      • Pinkertinkle, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1Do you really trust his holiness the Dalai lama who is a reincarnation of all the evil Dalai lama's that put in the theocracy slave system. He's the SAME guy!
        • barius, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Well, he's only the same guy if you happen to be a Buddhist believer. To the rest of us, he's just another human being in a position of religious authority. If he does what is right today then that is all that matters. Currently, however, it is China that is oppressing a people and they are the ones that should be working towards correcting the mistakes of their forefathers. Until China has absolved itself of its' own evils it has no moral authority to condemn anyone else.
    • bingobongony, on 04/04/2008, -0/+4So, countries should do what YOU think is best, rather than what they want?
    • mecharabbit, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1Hasn't the Dalai Lama said that he wants Tibet to be democratic? I've never heard him say anything about theocracy.
      • Bhima, on 04/04/2008, -0/+1Yes. I have heard him say this more than once. Several times he has said that *all* people should have the right to govern themselves in a representative government. And several times I have heard him say the same about the Tibetan people specifically. This sort of self determination is very important.
  • R1b4z01d, on 04/04/2008, -2/+13I wish the world would boycott the Olympics. This if ***** bull *****. Let the peaceful Tibetans live free.
    • bingobongony, on 04/04/2008, -3/+6Explain to me how an Olympic boycott would free Tibet.
      • chatzimcfee, on 04/04/2008, -1/+4:(
      • Mimer, on 04/04/2008, -1/+4An Olympic boycott will not in itself free Tibet or the Chinese people for that sake. But if you take the case of South Africa, then a continuously policy of boycott and criticism was instrumental to the collapse of the Apartheid regime. So a boycott could be a sensible political instrument with which to pressure China into changing their regime.
        • orangedude, on 04/05/2008, -1/+1South Africa =/ China

          Unless you want the world economy to collapse, then nothing in the world is going to change.
        • bingobongony, on 04/05/2008, -1/+1Did you just try to compare China's economy to South Africa's economy? Wow.
          • orca94, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1He never mentioned economics whatsoever in his comment.
          • bingobongony, on 04/05/2008, -4/+1orca...he didn't have to you stupid ***** idiot. By suggesting that a boycott would work on China because it worked on South Africa, it is CLEARLY implied. I mean, at least to anyone with a 1st grdae or higher reaing comprehension.

            Don't worry, with some tutoring, you will get there some day.
          • kfedZ, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Bingobongony_Trolls_all_ ...
            HHHAAAA - Bingo shoots you down Jovensdesciple - everybody knows that the Branch Davidians deverved to die a violent death for peacefully resisting a search warrant - go USA and bingobongony!!!!!!!!
            We are united by 1 thing, our dislike for Ron Paul & Co.
            Bingo is smart enough to know that Ron Paul is an undervocer scientology proest!!!
    • charyon, on 04/04/2008, -2/+2Also, the whole "peaceful Tibetans" thing is ***** bull *****.
    • Pinkertinkle, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1China cares many times more about its territorial integrity than the two week show its putting on. Boycotting the Olympics wouldn't help solve anything.
  • snotrokit, on 04/04/2008, -5/+3I wonder if the copy of Photoshop they used was licensed?
  • bobangitanov2, on 04/04/2008, -9/+4y'all look alike!
    • mandarin, on 04/04/2008, -1/+1Was your name John, Tom or Bob?
      • mrSt1klBak, on 04/04/2008, -1/+0Oh, c'mon...haven't you seen Mad Tv's CSI China?
  • Kelpesh, on 04/04/2008, -2/+1free free set them free, If you love some one......
  • kb29, on 04/04/2008, -1/+4In other news....China continues to own itself.
  • JointVenture, on 04/04/2008, -6/+7I cant wait for the Olympics. It will be fun to see he reaction of Black people when they watch TV and see comercials where a girl losing a tennis match goes in during the middle of a match to put FACE WHITENING cream on comes back out and WINS!

    Some of the most racist people on the planet.
    • barius, on 04/04/2008, -2/+5You're going to get dugg down for that comment, but I agree with you. The problem isn't so much that they're all racist, as that they (as a culture) don't believe themselves to be capable of racism. Thus they don't notice it when they offend someone or they brush it aside as though it was the other persons' fault for taking it as an offense. I am told, by some of the more enlightened immigrant friends of mine, that the common belief in Asia is that racism is a problem unique to white people. How they manage to cope with the incredible hypocrisy in that belief I don't know.
      • shortcircuit13, on 04/04/2008, -3/+6The Chinese do believe themselves capable of racism. Heck, many are quite openly racist about the Japanese, after what happened in WW2.

        "Thus they don't notice it when they offend someone or they brush it aside as though it was the other persons' fault for taking it as an offense."
        Flagrant bulls---.

        "I am told, by some of the more enlightened immigrant friends of mine, that the common belief in Asia is that racism is a problem unique to white people."
        Ah yes, those special enlightened Chinese who conveniently tell you exactly what you want to hear. Isn't enlightenment awesome?

        'How they manage to cope with the incredible hypocrisy in that belief I don't know."
        Look in the mirror.
        • barius, on 04/04/2008, -2/+5"Look in the mirror."
          Pointing out the racism of someone else does not make me racist. I will, however, admit that I'm as fallible as the next human being.

          "Heck, many are quite openly racist about the Japanese, after what happened in WW2."
          I don't think the Chinese are 'racist' towards the Japanese because of WW2. They are openly angry and suspicious, but race has little to do with it. They would be just as angry and suspicious if it had been the Koreans or the Russians. Further, when there is a reason for the hatred it is not called 'racism'. Racism is when there is an irrational hatred that comes purely from our human nature of distrust. Thus, I can be racist against purple aliens despite never having met one, but hating one for abducting and torturing me would not be called racism.

          "Ah yes, those special enlightened Chinese who conveniently tell you exactly what you want to hear. Isn't enlightenment awesome?"
          I tells it like I hears it. BTW, I said Asians, they're not all Chinese.
        • Mcdz, on 04/05/2008, -1/+0"You're going to get dugg down for that comment, but I agree with you" ... "I tells it like I hears it"
          Do you agree with everything you hear?
      • JointVenture, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1Good point.

        But they do hate black people, in fact they despise dark skin on anyone.
    • ceraphin, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1Asians in general tend to be quite homogeneous and find anything different from what they're used to undesirable, don't just say it's all chinese, when i visited China, Japan, and Korea I got the most "pointing at the foreigner" in Japan, although the country people in China tended to stare the most, later i learned that was just the way they were.
      • JointVenture, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1It wasnt the finger pointed that offended me, but the picking nose goblins in mid sentence.
  • NEWNHLISLAME, on 04/04/2008, -4/+11Boycott the Olympics. What exactly does china stand for? Why would we condone such actions by looking the other way for two weeks.
    • Heavypettingzoo, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1because they have all the US's money?
  • jetblackz4, on 04/04/2008, -3/+6And we are having the Olympics there?
    If we want to make a non violent statement the competitors should boycott the Olympics.
  • JoshChan, on 04/04/2008, -4/+2Except the economy, China is such a ***** up country
  • NBK87, on 04/04/2008, -4/+8I neither believe nor disbelieve this. It is difficult to believe a blog report that uses the Epoch Times as its exclusive source. ET is a free newspaper funded and published by Falungong, the religious organization, banned by the PRC as "heretical." Its chief goal is inciting people to denounce the CCP worldwide. See their web page, and the counter midpage:

    http://en.epochtimes.com/index10.html

    The Chinese page is even more radical.
    • friday81, on 04/04/2008, -0/+5i find equally probable that the image was photoshoped by the chinese embassy or the EPOCH times, unless you can present links for the real and official photos distributions, or at least the two photos on Reuters, EFE, AP or another international press distributors, this doesn't "prove" anything...
      buried as inaccurate
  • pukiman, on 04/04/2008, -1/+1Photoshoped!
    • nmcphee, on 04/05/2008, -1/+1did you dig the other 'photoshopped' comment before you posted, or did you just want to waste people's time by regurgitating something that's already been said?
  • digjam, on 04/04/2008, -2/+2"The lower portion, the edited version of the same scene distributed by the Chinese Embassy after the man’s identity was revealed at a rally in Darmasala/ "

    How did he get caught? Dont all Chinese look alike?
  • mistergoodburge, on 04/04/2008, -1/+1Is it just me or does that look really fake? bad photoshop
    • wordglue, on 04/05/2008, -1/+1See that tiny dot in the distance? That is the point. You missed it a couple miles back.
  • soccerbud, on 04/04/2008, -3/+12a few things things

    1) the news article cited epoch times, which is pretty much the Chinese version of national inquirer
    2) it offered no evidence that the picture was photo chopped by the Chinese government nor does it offer any evidence of it been used in Chinese media. As far as I am concerned, it could have very well being photo chopped by epoch times, so they can print out this sensationalist story. Jumping on the fake picture bandwagon where Chinese soldiers dressed up as Monks to incite violence in Tibet (although that picture has been vastly debunked, the picture was taken of a group of Chinese soldiers ready to play as extras on a movie set)
    3) Another point to consider, if the person was a policeman, he was most likely of han ethnicity. And how the hell did a Han standing by a group of rioting Tibetans and not get the crap beat out of him? No, not all chinese look a like.
    • atact88, on 04/04/2008, -0/+6Thank you for speaking up against the brainwashing! I've dugg you up, though it won't last for long.
  • TomDigg77, on 04/04/2008, -3/+20This is a story from Epoch Times. An Anti-China/Chinese newspaper.

    This original photo was send out by a backpack from Tibet. He later photoshoped out some of the rioter whom had their face showing in the picture. It Had nothing to do with the Chinese Government.

    Look at a deeper explaining from the link below:

    http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20080330_1.htm
    • chenyu768, on 04/04/2008, -3/+6Dude nobody cares, the bloody monk was from Nepal, the cops beating the Tibetan protesters were from France, Dude didn't you hear, Hating China is the New macarena, Everyone is doing it they just don't know why.
    • drspork, on 04/05/2008, -0/+2The Epoch Times is a ridiculous paper, I'll admit, and it's shoddy journalism, but it's not against China or the Chinese. It seems to be biased against the Chinese *government*, and there's a big difference between the Chinese *people* and the Chinese *government*.
      • chenyu768, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1yeah well tell that to the Americans
    • jimmyleeca, on 04/05/2008, -2/+0Any from Epoch Times is equal to = bull *****, on this issue, Cnn's creditability is 60, chinese government 80, Epoch Times is 0 on all issues
    • ShrimpCrackers, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1Oh yes, cite Zona Europa, himself pretty famous well known propagandist that has biased pro-China views. He's eloquent, but his conclusions are often twisted and often leaves out facts. For instance right here: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051113_1.htm ZonaEuropa claims to show both sides. However if you check the sources he uses, say for instance on Taiwan, he immediately rules out the only 2 media sources for one side, and toes UDN (owned by the KuoMinTang, responsible for the murder of 10 million Chinese), Apple Daily (A tabloid), and for television, TVBS (a television station owned by Hong Kong, board of directors whom are Chinese government linked).

      This time he implies the photographer erased the man from the photo.
      However the facts are the original photographer simply removed the images in order to not implicate anyone.
      In the end, China's own media chooses to use the photos that have that man photo-shopped out. One wonders why.
      • Wrangler76, on 04/05/2008, -0/+0Did you read the article? "Recently, the original man-with-the-knife photo has returned to these Web sites." Yes, one does wonder why, but it's most likely not a ***** conspiracy. Also, they say: "After the protests on March 14, she and other foreigners were sent to the police station where she saw a man with a knife in his hand walking in with some arrested Tibetans. The man later took off the Tibetan-style clothes and put on a police uniform." as their other line of reasoning for this conspiracy. Seriously? How stupid would the police have to be to ditch their TIbetan gear and switch back to a police uniform while foreigners are in plain sight? This whole article reeks of *****.
  • mrSt1klBak, on 04/04/2008, -2/+20Frankly It could have been photoshopped in either direction. Propoganda is a two way street.


    • orangedude, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1It's true. Remember the photo of Chinese soldiers dressing up as Tibetans, which appeared on Digg a few weeks ago? That was thoroughly debunked as a shot of extras for a movie. I just wish people weren't so easily deceived by propaganda, either by China or against China. Secondly there's no way that the Chinese government had any involvement in the shopping of those videos filmed by foreign tourists on YouTube. The Tibetans were clearly violent and that's a fact.
  • chenyu768, on 04/04/2008, -12/+5That's nice but how come nobody says anything about the photos that the Tibetans put out to get sympathy? You know the ones with the bloody monk marching and the others with cops beating down protesters. Well the monk was in Nepal and those photos of police brutality was in France, (hint, they were white, last time i checked China hasn't outsourced any police work to the white folks yet)
    And lets do a little history on the Tibet that the Tibetans wants to revert back too, well its basically a religious state with all it's people as slaves and Lamas and a few elitists have all the power. (Hence all the protesters especially outside of China and on the Internet are Lamas or Elitists, ask them, they won't answer you. In China we've known about this for a long time but Americans kind of have this thing about not getting all the facts straight. last time i checked a revolution of the people does not consist of a bunch of aristocrats, and also last time i checked peaceful means setting fire to yourself and not others.
    Call me elitist call me sympathetic call me what you will, but before you do, let me tell you this, I've been here for 16years, most of my childhood and went to grammar, middle, high, and college here, a citizen, married a Irish girl, have two kids, so the whole Chinese brainwash thing is out.
    But i did realize that while growing up I could not think of my home country without thinking of the words "Communist, Cheap, Godless, Heathens, Third World" thus in time i had the same view as most of you do about China. I was even hesitant in returning home for a vist. But shedding these meaningless terms such as democracy, freedom, communism, capitalism, totalitarian, which if we were to really think about, in it's purest form has absolutely no bearing when talking about China or America. So when we shed labels such as these and look on a situation with untainted thoughts we can get a clearer picture of the truth. Please my fellow Americans heed Orwell's warnings, it's not big brother that is going to ruin us, but the deprivation and the overly zealous vocabulary of the English language, which is forcing us into a We versus Them mentality, one that has permeated American society. When we remove these useless terms from our vocaublary and thoughts that will be the day that we are truly Free, both body and mind.

    Those of you who are not ready digg me down please, but read Orwell's 1946 essay, "Politics and the English Language" http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm
    • familynight, on 04/04/2008, -3/+3chenyu768, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
      • chenyu768, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1it's obviously over your head buddy. Movies are not realities, mr Maddison.
    • Mimer, on 04/04/2008, -0/+2I digg your way of thinking. And I would rather read more about how - in your less tainted view - you perceive the situation in China and Tibet, than Orwells essay (although he is one of my top writers). Do the Dalai Lama and the other Lamas intent to revert the Tibetan-society to the pre-China invasion status if by some incredible unforeseen miracle they should regain control of the country? And btw it is not completely unprecedented that Elitists and aristocracy get involved in a revolution.
      "The "point" of these kinds of comparisons is to help us realize that both the French and Russian revolutions were violent upheavals aimed not just at tearing down an old political system, but actually at destroying a monarchy and, in the case of France (and later Stalin's Russia), an entire social class. Japan, in this sense, was different, for as Thomas Smith's article argues, the revolutonary impetus in Japan was not necessarily only from below, but came from within the lower echelons of the aristircratic or ruling class itself. As Smith notes: "How different the story must have been had the warriors behaved as one would expect of an aristocracy, if they had used their monopoly of political and military power to defend rather than change the existing order." (381) Therefore, the aristocratic revolutionaries in Japan had different objectives from revolutionists in France and Russia. Do we see a ruling class destroyed in Japan? Were elites being systematically eliminated?" - from this site: http://www.willamette.edu/~rloftus/jhistrevol.html
      You should apply the same 'untainted' view on the Tibetan elitists and not categorize them by labels, but by action and intention.
      • chenyu768, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1well let's look at action and intention. What is Dali Lama's intent? He said that he wants to be part of CHina, then what's with "Free Tibet" shouldn't it be more like "Reunite Tibet" or "Take bavk Tibet" I'm not sure what Labels you mean Lama or Elitest? Well Lama is what they call themselves, and i guess i should use the term Land Owners for the Elitests. Considering for the first time ever in Tibetan history, the Tibetan people can own land.
        I'm not sure what you mean by tainted? For i only wrote a paragraph about Tibet, in which i state "well its basically a religious state with all it's people as slaves and Lamas and a few elitists have all the power" which is a fact and also i stated that the Tibetans outside of CHina are Elitests and Lamas, which i don't think by calling them that is tainted. For since the cost of leaving the country is great and since 95% of the population owned nothing and only Land Owners and Lamas had ANY type of monetary means to leave then i have to conclude that most if not all Tibetans outside of China are Elitests or Lamas. If that's tainted then I'm sorry.
        In fact most of my comment revolves around the usage of Labels being attached to People and Governments. Example Tibet, we think Freedom, Oppressed, Peaceful, Holy, Wise and whatever, and i know it's hard to ft Slavery, Oppresser, Elitest into those frames even when it is valid. Neither can we associate Free Press, Privatization, Capitalism, Good, with China.

        I'd be happy to talk more about it with you, just give me a shout and i'll give you my Email. I welcome talking to people who have differnt political ideals as me, cuz, the only way were gonna stop this Cold War is communication between people like you and me, in a civilized manner.
  • tehaeolus, on 04/04/2008, -7/+2That photo looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and having seen quite a few shops in my time
  • Yeknom, on 04/04/2008, -1/+11he was just training for the olympics and the government didn't want anyone to see their secret weapon.
    EVERYBODY runs faster with the knife!
  • ButtSmudge, on 04/04/2008, -3/+8Wow, people on Digg taking the Epoch Times seriously? The Epoch Times is run by the Falon Gong, the Scientology of China. They constantly spew out propaganda against China, evidence by what they do in here in NYC.

    This is kind of like that picture on Digg a week ago with the Chinese policemen getting handed monk robes, and the Buddist website that distributed the picture said it was Chinese army sabotaging a peaceful protest. Guess what, that picture was taken in 2004/05, 3 years before the protest. So understand where these propaganda are coming from, these stories submitted by the Buddist websites and Epoch Times are the most one sided story ever about the riots.
  • thanhuvic, on 04/04/2008, -3/+3Not enough evidence. period.
  • compucomp2, on 04/04/2008, -5/+4Not only is this blatant bullsh*t, this also makes absolutely no sense. Why would we want to disrupt our own Olympics?

    You American f*cktards will believe any bullsh*t as long as you agree with it.
    • Beijing08Facade, on 04/04/2008, -1/+3Because There has been many tension growing in Tibet for few months (before the March 10) as Chinese Gov't Pushes many policies to REGULATE Tibetan Buddhist ceremonies, Many Lay Tibetans have lay Tibetans have also been showing frustration for many years now because of all the jobs going towards Han Chinese who has moved in Tibet to make Much better money than if they had stayed in their own Provinces or other Chinese cities.
      Also important to note is because of the Train now linked to Lhasa, Tibet, more and more Chinese are coming in, (Beijing's exact plan to dilute/marginalize and further eliminate Tibetan Identity).

      So you see, because of all these Tensions, and i'm not just talking of past few yrs, i'm talking about ever since the Brutal Invasion of Tibet, China has taken every step necessary to radically remove Tibetan "IDENTITY" (culture, language, religion, tradition, livelihood).
      I say Livelihood because Tibetan Nomads have been forced to move to City, thus destroying their way of life as they fail to compete in City w/ Han Chinese.

      More of what has been and still is going on in Tibet:
      http://www.feer.com/features/2008/march/chinas-tib ...
    • shortcircuit13, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2*shrug* You get used to it, compucomp.
      After all, they've gotta find SOMETHING to lord over us, even if it means taking China's National Enquirer as gospel truth of the evil, evil chinks.
    • JointVenture, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1he will always have small man penis.

      But at least the BG's in Bangkok will digg him, they love the 3min 3inchers.
  • sfacets, on 04/04/2008, -1/+1This is one event. Can't you people see propaganda when it is right there in front of you? The same idiots proliferate on Youtube.
  • WallaceFreeman, on 04/04/2008, -1/+2it's just as easy to photoshop someone in, as is it to photoshop someone out...hmm questions questions
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