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- autitastic, on 08/17/2008, -17/+72What has to be remembered is that Georgia is not blameless in this. Russia was mediating talks between the Georgian government and South Ossetian Separatists who had observed a ceasefire during such talks. Georgia then ignored the ceasefire and carried out pre-emptive attacks on the region (a rather base attack which targeted civilians also, leading to South Ossetians largely regarding the Russians as saviours).
The fact that Russia has pushed beyond any legitimacy that they might have had in protecting the South Ossetians (as mediators they could claim such a role) undermines any righteousness that they might hold in the conflict. As such they are not without blame. But to say that Russia is re-engaging the gears of military conquest to target Eastern Europe is absurd and largely impossible. - atomicpoet, on 08/16/2008, -34/+76Time for a controversial statement that will get me dugg down.
The cold war was never over. We were simply lulled into a sense of triumphalism. In reality, Russia was merely waiting for time to retool it's economy so it *could* afford further sway in its "sphere of influence". And pretty much that's all the cold war ever was: two competing economies trying to hold sway over their respective spheres of influence.
If you really want the cold war to end, *somebody* has to disarm. And last I checked, somebody's still polishing their big stick. - Ramenhood, on 08/18/2008, -2/+44You knew you weren't going to get dugg down the second you typed "Time for a controversial statement that will get me dugg down."
- mshtml, on 08/17/2008, -30/+62NATO propaganda. Buried.
- borez, on 08/17/2008, -30/+56"Russia's attack on Georgia has sparked fears across the young democracies of Eastern Europe that Moscow is once again hungry for conquest"
Should read: Russians leap to the defense of the Ossetian people after a US backed Georgia attempts an ethnic cleansing operation in South Ossetia. Young democracies of Eastern Europe wanting Russian Communist 40 year pay-back then agree to back crooked media false propaganda story line. - inactive, on 08/17/2008, -11/+35Trust me its not just the Eastern European countries.. Scandinavian countries are also concerned. Russia has been showing increased military power in the Barents Sea as well as on Spitsbergen / Svalbard, which they haven't done since the 1980s - none of which they have legal right or claim to. Russia is still stuck in the age of imperialism, as shown by planting their flag under the pole. No matter who initiated the South Ossetian war, it clearly shows that Russia went far beyond the line of Peace Keeping. They kept rolling until they were 50km from Georgia's capital. That should be a cause for concern...
- Godwhacker, on 08/17/2008, -24/+47The big question is, 'who started it?'
The big answer is George. As long as the rest of Eastern Europe isn't so stupid as to provoke Russia, then they should be safe. Also, putting a 'missal shield' in Poland is the hight of provocation and stupidity. It was the legacy of Ronald Reagan that he ended the Cold War. It seems Bush is determined that his legacy should be to restart it. - madzor, on 08/18/2008, -0/+17Holy *****! He just reverse psychologyed our asses!
- DaDrake, on 08/17/2008, -22/+37Anyone surprised by this? After all, Russia has billboards in Georgia with the picture of Putin saying "you're beloved leader". Then you have Russian leaders (the majority being from the KGB or the FSB .... basically the same thing) saying Russia will rebuild and regain its formal glory.
Yes Russia is dead-set on expansion of power. The question wasn't ever if but when. - orbitalia, on 08/17/2008, -2/+16So wrong. History is littered with examples of countries that underestimated Russia.
- orlyfactor, on 08/17/2008, -6/+18Do the Russians have the equivalent grammar mistake of using "you're" when they should have used "your", too? Otherwise, it's telling me that *I'm* the beloved leader! Woo hoo!
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -4/+16George Costanza?
- mikelieman, on 08/18/2008, -2/+13You were there?
- jlhoben, on 08/17/2008, -5/+16To paraphrase Gandhi: Western democracy is a great idea, we should try it here.
- lucy22, on 08/16/2008, -28/+38The countries there have to protect each other by sticking together or Russia will get ideas.
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -4/+13Justice101, the USA has military advisers and trainers on the ground in Georgia.
And it is hilarious that I am being dug down above for telling the truth. Any stupid ***** could go back over the past two days worth of front page stories and SEE with their own eyes the support that dumb ***** liberals who run the Digg boards have given to Russia. Russia has no reason to go into Georgia and even on the signing of the recent declaration they blew up a bridge that was very important to Georgia. - inactive, on 08/18/2008, -7/+16"Since fighting broke out more than a week ago between Russia and Georgia, the crisis has dominated headlines and sparked pro-Georgia rallies across Eastern Europe."
And yet liberal American Diggers are against Georgia and for Russia. - nirvanix, on 08/18/2008, -6/+15Well the difference is that Russia actually had a real reason to go in, and America's incursion was based on a series of lies.
- RedViper1999, on 08/18/2008, -1/+10Russia doesn't have a greater economic sway. The US still accounts for 24% of the World's GDP, which is higher than the next 4 largest economies combined. So unless Russia is also China, Japan, and Germany it doesn't have a greater economic sway.
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -13/+21The most interesting thing from this is seeing how much utter ***** is used to manufacture a lust for war.
Few seem to realize that Georgia is the ***** one who started the conflict with Russia, and you can stop with the fear mongering propaganda now. No, Russia isn't on a power hungry quest for expansionism, and no, we don't need to go to war to stop them, because there's nothing to stop. The neo-cons just want another war, please don't buy into the ***** yet again. PLEASE. - JohnP, on 08/18/2008, -3/+11Weird huh. Peoples attitudes are way too extreme. If russia isnt evil any more... they must be good!
Given russias assassination of a British citizen and military flights over europe, along with it claiming neutral land, im surprised the world isnt at their throats.
The problem is everyones been distracted by the complete ***** in charge of the USA. While the world has had to spend time trying to stop the USA ***** everything up, russia has been up to something.
With any other country you might conclude its all a pissing match, but russia is packed full of neo nazis and anti western youth. Thousands of nuclear warheads are falling into the hands of these people over time.
(Just want to add that like the USA russia has a lot to offer, but all the good is overshadowed by extreme nationalism. There are a lot of parallels between russia and the US in the eyes of europeans.) - ObamaWins08, on 08/18/2008, -1/+9Well, at least we have both sides of the story hitting the front page. It at least shows that there is one subject that doesn't have a bury brigade and the DIGG community is willing to have good discourse on the subject.
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -3/+11The Russian military is strong, but its a joke compared to its Soviet predecessor. You do realize their strategic bombers are turbo-props, right? And look at their tanks... Old-as-***** BMPs? Most unimpressive. I seem to recall an entire desert of burning T-72 chassis in '91... Also don't seem to see any of these supposedly advanced T-90 MBTs either. I guess they're saving them for special occasion... *rolls eyes*
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -2/+10Sorry noisey, your simplistic analogy is immature and flawed. This is global politics, not a Eugene O'Neill play. Where are South Ossetians -- the Scythian decsendants who've been issued Russian passports only in the past five years by the Russian Federation -- in your bar? Where are the ethnic Georgians living in South Ossetia in your bar? Where are Chechen special forces in your bar? Where are Ukranian mercenaries in your bar? Where are repressed Russian Federation media indexed #144 behind Sudan by Reporters without Borders in your bar? Get a clue, dude.
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -1/+8Maybe Russians didn't want to take out their new toys? Maybe primitive tanks and equipment were enough for the job? They did force the aggressors off South Ossetia, didn't they?
- noisey, on 08/18/2008, -8/+15It's because Russia isn't the aggressor, Georgia started this *****. Let me put it in simple terms for you:
Russia and America are sitting at opposite ends of the bar, having a few drinks. In comes Russia's little cousin named Georgia in to the bar. Russia and Georgia don't like each other much and America knows it. America takes Georgia aside and whispers in Gerogia's ear and points to Russia. Next thing you know Georgia walks up to Russia and sucker punches him in the ear. Russia stands up and kicks Georgia's ass.
Now we have Georgia, beaten and bruised, looking at America wondering why we aren't helping. - Telmarine, on 08/18/2008, -4/+10JOHN TITOR
- RusskiGuy, on 08/18/2008, -2/+8Ok dummy (and it's fine to call you that because you started it), do you realize who's putting the missile shield in Poland? U.S., which also happens to be a nuclear power.
Now, here's a simple scenario: U.S. initiates a nuclear strike against Russia, which tries to retaliate, but U.S. shield missiles intercept Russian nukes.
What this means: Russia loses power and U.S. gains it. This power can be used to bully the other country around. How's that not provoking?
Why: Currently, the most powerful tool of influence in global politics since WW II remains the nuclear bomb. No country would dare invade another country that has nuclear bombs and means of delivering them to enemy's soil. It's kind of the reason U.S. made such a big whoop about nukes in Korea, Iran, Iraq (as alleged at the time), India, etc.
This is as much as I'll bother to break it down, you twit! - Frozo, on 08/18/2008, -1/+6If a missile defense system negates the advantage Russia holds as a nuclear superpower (which it would to a substantial degree), than a defense suddenly becomes an offense. Can't you see that?
- cakesecret, on 08/18/2008, -12/+17Russia claimed the Georgian attacks on Tskhinvali were comparable to the siege on Stalingrad and called it a Holocaust. Hmm...the local hospital (the only one open during the battles) reported 40 deaths (where Russia claimed over 2000). Russian propaganda? Ya think??
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/48860.html - futureisours, on 08/17/2008, -3/+8There's little to fear from Russia apart from its nukes. Have you seen the primitive tanks and equipment used against Georgia? It's like 60's technology?
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -1/+6... in soviet Russia?
- roboneal, on 08/18/2008, -15/+20What is this fascination with defending Russia?
Putin is keenly interested in the resurgence of the grand "Soviet" empire responsible for the +actual+ death and repression of MILLIONS of people. The legacy of human misery left behind by Soviet-style communism is unmeasurable. - BillE3, on 08/17/2008, -5/+10Media Matters? Move On.org? Danny Glover? George Clooney? Jane Fonda? Tom Hayden?
- loki49152, on 08/18/2008, -1/+5Yes. Someone outside of the conflict watching t.v. most likely does have more information than a 12-year-old girl, even if she was there.
- luckless, on 08/18/2008, -3/+7I'm sure you know MUCH better than a 12yrs old girl who WAS THERE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ - acudoc, on 08/18/2008, -7/+11Georgia bombed Russian civilians in Tshinvali. Russia proceeded to pound the ***** out of the American and Israeli-backed Georgian military. Western press ***** up the story so we are all supposed to be hopping mad at Russia, justifying more spending on war-related industries. Who benefits? Not our sons and daughters who will be conscripted by the ruling class, abetted by state-loving journalists, to feed with blood and bone the insatiable appetite of the banking class. Wake up you stupid sheeple (so much for publicly-funded mass education)!
- obliviousfool, on 08/18/2008, -3/+7Are you seriously so retarded that you want war? With the Russians? And somebody dugg you up?
- SlavaKM, on 08/18/2008, -0/+4In war, you don't stop when you reach the border. Russia pushed in further to create a buffer zone.
It's what you call "S.O.P" - jzimo, on 08/18/2008, -0/+4Why is there a double standard? If the U.S. were attacked by Mexico and responded with force it would be without a doubt the U.S.'s fault for provoking Mexico.
Russia provoked Georgia to attack and unfortunately Georgia did. Russia has been preparing for this scenario for some time now and when it happened the response was instantaneous. Georgia is still at fault but Russia is far from blameless being the instigator.
I definitely would not be surprised to see the Ukraine or another former soviet satellite state attacked for some form of retaliation against Russia. - MetalliTooL, on 08/18/2008, -2/+6"What has to be remembered is that Georgia is not blameless in this."
That's a severe understatement. Georgia IS TO BLAME for this. - inactive, on 08/18/2008, -5/+9No they attacked Ossetia which is not apart of Russia it is a territory. By all means can anyone be on the Russians side. They signed a truce and are still attacking
- Grolsch, on 08/18/2008, -3/+7Lets see, NATO trying to expand, US supports Georgia in genocide, Poland gets some help from US, Ukraine is all worked up now and because of what? West needs to let them deal with Caucasus on its own, they have big history with that region for about 200 years and US stepping in now is not going to change anything. So why start another Cold War? Whats with NATO expansion since its Cold War is over? Do you guys really think Russia will just sit and watch all this? They see the threat themselves and this is why West getting such opposition from Russia. I just dont see why everyone is so surprised, maybe, just maybe Russia shouldnt be provoked because its going to be just another millitary or geopolitical race for nothing
- NerveBand, on 08/18/2008, -3/+7What the hell? Unsubstatiated evidence? Stop exaggerating seriously.
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -2/+6FESTIVUS FOR THE REST'OF'US
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -1/+4Russian "peace keeping" and "mediation" in South Ossetia is like when Bush calls a bill a "clean air act" (that involves removing all pollution regulation from factories!)
- DarkJesus, on 08/18/2008, -1/+4Buried as duplicate.
http://digg.com/world_news/East_Europe_tries_to_pr ... - Crowlos, on 08/18/2008, -0/+3Wow that made no sense at all don't attack him because he actually believes the truth.
- luckless, on 08/18/2008, -1/+4I wouldn't worry as much, all these countries hate the Soviet Union because of what Stalin did.
They forget that Stalin was born in Georgia, in Gori actually.
So because of all this ***** in Georgia, there is no need to worry that another Stalin will rule Russia for a long time. -
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