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- airwalkery2k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+78I am slightly surprised they didn't demand a box of cookies and a pony while they were at it.
- vroom101, on 10/11/2007, -7/+65Q1: Who taught them about kidnapping (assuming that's what happened)?
Q2: How did they come up with the US $200,000 dollar figure?
Q3: Did they understand the seriousness of what they were doing?
Q4: Are they sorry?
Q5: How is the U.S. justice system going to handle this?
Q6: Are our kids today really this messed up? Again, assuming this story is as bad as it currently reads and sounds. - ZZZin, on 10/11/2007, -2/+48$200,000? Damn. At least they didn't ask for McDonald's.
- AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -0/+38Are our kids today really this messed up?
Yes... Myspace is all you need to look at for proof of that. - ToadLeg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27Probable answer to all questions: The girls saw a kidnapping on TV and, for some reason, thought, "o, I want money, what a cool way to make money." Then, being 12 and probably pretty immature and somewhat sociopathic, ignored the feelings of the baby and its mother, that the mother probably does not have $200,000 to hand out, that they had no way to hide the baby, that kidnapping is highly punishable, and that, in general, people who are not very sick do not normally kidnap people. They gave a $200,000 figure because they wanted to appear "real" and not "the teenage girls next door." They thought they would return the next day and retrieve their ransom, leave the child, each be $100,000 richer, and nobody would care.
TV may have given them the idea, but it would take a certain unusual lack of empathy, intelligence, and understanding of consequences to do what they did. Other preteens who see the same kidnapping on TV probably think "I should try to make this not happen to me" not "This looks like something I should do to other people" - Asianwaste, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22This goes for really uncomfortable driveway small talk between the parents from here on.
- schrutefan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19According to Tony Snow, two Al Qaeda operatives involved in a ransom plot to finance the destruction of America were apprehended by local police. They have been released into the custody of the Department of Homeland Security who are in the process of transferring them to Guantanamo Bay. Film at 11.
- smurf22, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22Sadly todays kids are really this ***** up (im still in high school) and I can tell you they really are retarded.
- Asianwaste, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16I bet they did 9-11. Two girls? Two towers! 10 and 12? What's between that? 11!
- sanman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12The worst were those 2 British kids who killed the little baby toddler. Anyone remember them? They didn't even display any remorse during the trial. Little bastards.
- snapya, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Well obviously they have played gta so we must blame GTA also they probably played the terrorists in counter strike.
- hellotyler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9This is nothing....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070707/ap_on_re_us/gang_rape_teens;_ylt=AhRjDHlOTyiIdYl0axuXad3MWM0F
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Two teenagers were accused of gang raping a woman and forcing her 12-year-old son to join in the attack, then beating him and pouring cleaning solution into his eyes.
Authorities allege Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, were among a group of about 10 masked suspects who forced their way into the woman's apartment in a crime-ridden housing project the night of June 18.
The two were being held without bail Friday on suspicion of armed sexual battery by multiple perpetrators, sexual performance by a child, armed home invasion and aggravated battery. Both were arrested this week, but formal charges had not been filed. Authorities said the two would be charged as adults.
"Any rape case is horrible but this takes it to another level, something you can't think of even in your worst dreams," police spokesman Ted White said.
According to the police report, a man knocked on the woman's door at about 9 p.m. and told her he had a flat tire. The mother and son, whom police have not identified, went outside and were ambushed by a group of gun-wielding suspects.
The victims told police they were forced back into their home and beaten and sexually assaulted. According to authorities, the men raped, sodomized and beat the woman, then forced her son to participate in the assault at gunpoint, making him have sex with his mother in front of them.
The boy was then beaten and had numerous household cleaning liquids poured into his eyes, according to the police report. - kingkilr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Jesus, I thought people knew kidnapping for money doesn't work anymore...
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6That turns my stomach.
- Esuzumy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5TV's not the problem, games aren't the problem, it's just... not to shift all the blame on parents, but yeah -- they're the most important factor. Morals are usually developed while kids are growing up, after all.
- gpmidi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6MySpace is just proof that most of todays kids and pedos should never be allowed to design a web page.
- inspecality, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Yeah, usually when someone suggests a 10 and 12 year old are hardcore republicans I totally believe them.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The ransom note written in curly-cue letters should have been the first clue.
- thydzik, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Mr. Ten questions?
- aboyd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3It's unknown whether they have a history of delinquency, which would be something for the police to say, but they do seem to have a history of getting in trouble with the mother of the kidnapped baby, at least. The article says that the 10 year-old kidnapper had already previously been "banned" from the baby's home. The article doesn't say what the 10 year-old did, but I have to say as a parent that it would have to be something pretty serious for me to tell a kid that she is banned from my house. For me, that might involve hurting my baby, or being callous/reckless with the treatment of my baby, etc. If that is the case, then as a parent I would NOT be inclined to drop charges.
(When I was a new father, I was trying to make a life for my family, and I found our first house in a not-so-hot neighborhood. At least I could afford it. But about 5 months in, I found written in my driveway one morning, "I will kill you tonight." I was feeling VERY protective of my kid, and I called the cops. I took it seriously. Officers came out and interviewed a lot of neighbors, eventually finding an 8 year-old girl who admitted she was just fooling around. She didn't seem to have ANY idea of how serious a death threat in a bad neighborhood was. She was FREAKED by having 2 big cops standing over her, interrogating her. I didn't press any charges, but I did notice one thing -- the father of the girl stood aimlessly by the door to his house. He owned none of it. He didn't ask the cops to stop with the high-pressure tactics on his 8 year-old daughter, and he didn't go the other way either -- no reaction like "I cannot believe what you did young lady, this was very wrong!" Instead he just stood there, passively allowing the world to wash right over him. I eventually had to ask the cops to cut her some slack myself. I got the strong feeling that the girl was less to blame than the passive, mindless parents raising her.) - nilsko, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I think people overreact some, I especially think the neighbours and community where those girls live will really overreact. Do the US Department of Justice really need to do anything? They are 10 and 12, its not like they where ever going to get away with it. They just heard it somewhere, probably on the news, and just did it as a game. They should be thaught that it was wrong, by their parents and the police, not be punished by law. When you are a child, if you do something wrong and the police tell you what you have done wrong and the consequences for it, you dont do it again. Thats my opinion.
- brianbb98, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6im guessing the problem is that their mother doesnt handle anything with them in the first place.. thats how this probably happened ...
- mlawrence, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Because the mother has clearly done a remarkable job thus far...
- slundal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3well at least in Sweden you are legally responsible for your actions after you turn 15 and can be punished to the full extent of the law.
- dasutin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"If you want to see your son again then you won't call police and report him missing and you will leave $200,000 on the sofa tonight and we will return your son back safe" Yes leave the money on the sofa and your baby will magically appear and you won't see us take the money either, I would like to have seen them pull that one off...
- gpmidi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You would have to be really paranoid to go far enough to stop a determined professional kidnapper.
- plaztikrhino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Capt. Dean Grassino lives on the same street as I do. I thought this was a joke when my friend told me about it this morning, damn kids in this city are bored as hell I guess.
- steveoco, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6I honestly believe that the minimum punishable age needs to be lowered. Kids are growing up much faster these days and you can;t tell me a 16 year old kid doesn't know what hes doing if he robs a store or mugs someone. Shoots etc.
Minors should not get off so easy. I propose 15 as a new minimum age of punishment. - milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Right. Did you watch the video of that stepfather?
- Esuzumy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Dugg for Chaser's reference.
- simplejoe79, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Upbringing counts
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Nope. Most of the time the ransom is paid and the hostage is freed.
- d3lta, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4good neighbors build good fences... hopes it a wake up call to that dumb woman, if two kids could kidnap her baby, what would stop a professional kidnapper?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2What do you think would stop a professional kidnapper?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2That version of what happened on 9-11 is almost as ridiculous as the official government story. (I say almost because you didn't actually blatantly violate the laws of physics in your version)
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2So does all the violence and lack of morality in modern TV, music, and video games. Even if you don't let your kids watch/listen/play them, all the other kids in their school do and they've been influenced by them.
- TheWorm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2q7 what gave them the idea their neighbor would possibly have 200k lying around.
p8 What did they think their parents would say when all of a sudden they had 200k (and that's assuming that the neighbor DID have that much money)
What a couple of knuckleheaded crooks. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Well, I would disagree with that thought for the following reasons.
1. White girls have done "*****" like this. In fact, these girls are white.
2. Even if a larger percentage of the black female child population has committed kidnappings than of the white female child population, that would only be correlation not causation. There is always correlation between any set of multiple instances. There is a correlation between how often I eat a hamburger for lunch in a month and how many people die of leukemia that month. Either the number of deaths is higher on months I've eaten more hamburgers or lower, but it isn't actually caused by my diet.
3. Even if the correlation exists in the manner that statistically a higher percentage of black children have kidnapped, the overwhelming majority of have never kidnapped anyone. Thus even if that skin color could be shown to be a causative factor, (which I doubt it is), at best it would be only one small causative factor among several larger ones. Occam's razor advises us to start our search for what caused this elsewhere.
4. Again even if you had evidence of correlation, to apply it to this case before looking is the logical fallacy of "accident". As in, "members of group X [child kidnappers in this case] tend to have trait Y [dark skin], therefore this particular member of group X has trait Y." This fallacy can happen in reverse, in which case it's known as "converse accident". As in, "This particular member of group X [people named Charlie] has trait Y [a beard], therefore all or a significant percentage of group X have trait Y." These two fallacies along with the similar fallacy of ambiguous use of subsets within larger groups are the foundation of all arguments for bigotry I've ever encountered. - CopyNinja, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1ahhaahahahhahahahahaahahhahah
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Say what? I was being sarcastic. Where do you come off accusing me of saying parents have no responsibility? You bad :).
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1FTA: "Wells said she knew the girls and had banned the 10-year-old girl from her home a few weeks ago, but did not say why."
Whatever reason the 10 yr old was banned for is probably the motive for kidnapping the baby, well, other than the 200k. This seems like a children's game that just went too far. - Waterrat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1 This is as lame as the woman in China who tried to steal a neighbor's TV by putting it on a blanket and pulling it out her door..
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I bet you're a Republican in drag.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There are many factors though. It's easy to individually point at TV or other contributors and say "that isn't the problem". But when you try to do it all at once... "Violence and poor morality glorified in TV, movies, music, the social culture they create among kids at school, being bullied by other students, living in poverty, and parents without enough free time outside of work to give their kids the time they needed weren't the problem."... then it's not so convincing. Of course, not all those factors apply in every case of child wrongdoing, and I don't know which ones apply to this case, but I think we'd do well to try and eliminate as much of those as we can. Ignoring the influences outside of the parents is not a formula for successfully preventing future child crimes.
- gpmidi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2What kind of WMDs did they have but the gov't is unable to find?
- steveoco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1sounds good to me!
- Markus123, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1C) You call in Jack Bauer and he kills everyone. Including the hostage.
- clacka, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@MrLeEx
Get out more. Read a little. It's good for you. Yeah, in America kids kidnap, in England they kill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger
Oh yeah, Canada too: http://mikeoncrime.com/article/2897/record-number-of-manitoba-youths-facing-homicide-charges
Let's try to solve this problem, but let's start with the facts. - Asianwaste, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Gotta start somewhere
- Tarl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh, the man that said kids will be kids?? LOL. Kids always kidnap each other and leave ransom notes where i grew up. Pu-leeze.
And of course the parents never have any responsibilities according to people like yourself. Did I say they should be charged? No. And sometimes just maybe sometimes the crime is on the person who committed it. Yet, they have an obligation to raise the kids. Liek, omg! What a ***** concept!! -
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