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Don't forget Darfur. People are dying.
savedarfur.org — "Every day, the 2.5 million people chased from their homes in Darfur face the threat of starvation, disease, and rape, while the few lucky enough to remain in their homes risk displacement, torture and murder." I donate, I blog do everything I can to help, but please, please help.
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- cafzal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Very inspiring zaibatsu. I agree!
- Monolith2, on 10/12/2007, -44/+7But darfur is full of BLACK people. They dont count!
- hypnotizd, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12@Monolith2
Take your racist remarks somewhere else. - levi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@hypnotizd
He forgot the /sarcasm - Rezzy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm so happy to finally see this being embraced by digg. A good day indeed.
- corporate70, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Does anyone feel like pointing out that it is the Muslim rulers killing the non-believers?
- corporate70, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7When I mean non-believers, I am referring to moderate muslims that don't agree with the radicals (i.e. the majority of muslims in the middle east):
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/shea200406300855.asp
(5th paragraph down)
Though the tribes of Darfur are Muslim, they are not of the hardline Salafist movement favored by Khartoum's National Islamic Front government, an offshoot of the radical Muslim Brotherhood (now is based in Saudi Arabia after being crushed in Egypt, its birthplace). The Darfur Muslims do not speak Arabic, their women wear colorful African garb, and they do not follow the strict criminal code of Khartoum's Wahhabi-style sharia, which calls for the flogging of those who drink alcohol, the body-part-amputation of thieves, the stoning of adulterers, and the execution of blasphemers. - ashlvsya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Our politicians in the Western world are hoping that this problem will just fix itself...
- Rodzirra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Yes, what Darfur needs is the laying-on of the healing hands of the US military...
- bloqmon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3corporate70, why is there always someone like you who has to say "its because they're Muslim!!!!!111"?
- Guncrazy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Said corporate70, "Does anyone feel like pointing out that it is the Muslim rulers killing the non-believers?"
SHHH! This is why people aren't supposed to talk about Darfur. It makes Moslems look violent. Besides, you might get your head cut off for pointing out that Moslems are responsible for the vast majority of armed conflicts in the world today. - malorkus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Charities active in the region:
http://www.interaction.org/sudan/index.html
Please consider donating to one. These refugees are really ***** right now. - thisnode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@corporate70
You and the article you linked conflate the conflict in Darfur (western Sudan) with the old civil war in southern Sudan. The Darfur conflict is not a religious one.
http://www.slate.com/id/2104210
- killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36This tragic situation just illustrates how completely impotent the UN really is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -14/+15The only thing the UN is good at is weakening the US and fractionating our support.
- PowerCow, on 10/12/2007, -14/+13
ANd in case you missed it the UN is getting swiftboated for not supporting the iraq war, just like everyone else who didnt. Also the iraq war is illegal under UN charter. Because we have the most influence at the UN, we can make them seem very impotent.
I do agree that changes must be made to the UN, we also let in to many former enemies to appease them and it bites us often. But this current swiftboating has nothing to do with any of that, it is all the iraq war.
I guess you wouldnt admit bosnia shows how effective the UN can be, of course we are blocking the renewed UN effort in bosnia because it included renewed support for the international war crimes act, something we helped create, something Bush has withdrawn our signature on(hmm wonder why, can you actually swift boat the international court, have they ever tried and american or isreali?) and have joined libya as the only countries against the act. - Nosferax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Maybe the UN would be more effective if those 5 veto country of which the US is part of would stop being so anal and let them do their job. The UN was doing it's best in Rwanda but when things deteriorate and gen. DeChastelain asked for more troop and transport plane they vetoed it. Same thing is appening in Darfur. What we have is 5 kids playing a game of Risk with real human lives and country.
- killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9@purplecow
Iraq... wow talk about a one track mind.
Darfur has nothing to do with Iraq.
UN inaction in Darfur has nothing to do with Iraq.
Guess what, if we went into Darfur with troops, the UN would bitch and moan.
- mcdvda, on 10/12/2007, -18/+1submitted by Debby Downer
- neutrascrub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You forgot Poland
- qaddafi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you forgot the palestinians
- mortsahl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Sudan is the People's Republic of China's largest foreign oil importer. China has spent billions upgrading pipelines, oil fields, transportation, etc, in Sudan. China is a permanent member of the U.N. Security counsel. There will be no changes to the status quo in Darfur.
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually, Angola just overtook Saudia Arabia as China's largest oil supplier.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/4277514.html
Your point remains valid, though. About 30% of all of China's imported oil comes from Africa.
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually, Angola just overtook Saudia Arabia as China's largest oil supplier.
- Spineshanked, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4How about let's not forget about EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Seriously, let's look to internal problems rather than focus on outer. Sorry darfur, but you were never forgotten about, we just don't care.
- technique, on 10/12/2007, -11/+11What about Mordor?
- Highborn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10I agree, The unity of the two towers brough great peril to middle earth.
- CAvenger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Many people are dying, so now's the perfect time to make references to pop-culture!
- Cerealkillr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20In other words this is the next Holocaust
In my opinion this more important than the war in Iraq- sardon1c, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2More than a free Tibet?
- Spineshanked, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What?
- cpuenvy, on 10/12/2007, -19/+15Why?
There are plenty of problems here at home that I would much rather donate money and time to, and I do.
Africa? How about home?- kevinmotel, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16africa is kinda everyone's home, if you go back far enough
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Your President would disagree with you. How many billions has he spent on Iraq so far?
- winberrym, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Why is cpuenvy being dugg down? He's right, rather than playing policeman to the rest of the world, we should pay attention to the fact that our next generation is rapidly becoming a crop of consumers with no productive talent. Our education system is a shambles, we have millions with no health insurance, millions of children living below the poverty line and hunger existing in our own inner cities. Our Congress can't be bothered to increase our federal minimum wage by less than a dollar while regularly voting pay increases for themselves, and our President raises funds by telling billionaires "They call you the elite. I call you my base." If we don't focus on our own internal sociopolitical and economic struggles, we will continue to crumble from within while the rest of the world does nothing but watch.
- cpuenvy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5The answer is simple: Because the libs here on Digg would much rather throw their money at a place which has proven to not benefit from our money, instead of doing things here at home that need to be done. This country is in no position to help anyone at this time, because we have so many issues that need to be taken care of here, at home.
We are taxed so as to help others, and I am 100% against that. I do not think that my money, money I earn for my family, should be taken from me and given to someone else who can't seem to straighten their own ***** out. If we go to help Darfur, why not just take everything we have and throw it at the rest of Africa? Because obviously some of you here think that by sending them some cash, you are contributing to a cause that will benefit these people, when in fact you are making it much worse.
This welfare that we pay to countries needs to stop now. It is not helping, it is hurting. The side effects, just like welfare here in the US, are enough to convince me that it does not work. As long as I can remember, there is always a cause in Africa that needs our welfare... Where do we draw the line? Or, do we just throw cash at the situation and appease our own souls?
I think that it is sad that some arse has to come here and start the "It's Bushs fault" crap... Africa has been the armpit of the world long before Bush.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The more time I spend in Africa the more I am convinced that the only thing that can save Africa is Africa... that and the rest of the world stopping in the profiting in their misery.
- night141, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Exactly, all the money that is funneled in through charities and aid programs is sent to the corrupt government where it remains in their pockets and the people get zilch.
- Guncrazy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The only thing that can save Africa is Capitalism.
And no, a strongman dictator and his cronies selling their country's resources and their countrymen's labor, is NOT Capitalism.
- ontain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11No one's going to do anything because there's no oil or ppl that you know in Darfur. sad but true.
- thecmgeek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Sudan does have oil, and has uranium as well, the reason for the instigation of the current violence.
Sudan is on the list of several countries put out by the cryptofascist Project for a New American Century to be targeted for invasion: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan. The goal would be to increase US dominance in the middle east, with Israel acting as front man in some cases (as in Lebanon this past summer).
Rushing a UN-backed peacekeeping mission into Darfur almost certainly means that the PNAC can cross another nation off its list.
- thecmgeek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Sudan does have oil, and has uranium as well, the reason for the instigation of the current violence.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6If these people had guns no one would rape them. Aren't AK-47s cheap on the black market? People should buy lots of AK-47s and send them these people's way right away.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Yeah, less rape, more killing. Thats makes sense.
- mrselfdistruct, on 03/21/2008, -0/+0The ones doing the raping and killing would likely think twice if the unarmed farmers suddenly had bullets to shoot back!
- Guncrazy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Killing people who want to rape you DOES make sense.
Of course, you'd be opposed to that, if indeed you enjoyed being raped.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Yeah, less rape, more killing. Thats makes sense.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Surely this can't be more important that liberating the Iraqis?
- Daedalus17, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8So what do people on Digg propose we do? Use our imperial influence to end conflict in the region? Destroy the current regime and build a liberal democracy in its place? Saddam killed lots of his own people too but people on Digg think that he should be put back in place and that we should not meddle in other peoples affairs. So which is it Digg? Is America evil for getting involved in other people's problems or for not getting involved in other peoples problems?
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"So what do people on Digg propose we do? Use our imperial influence to end conflict in the region? "
No. Just spread the the word. - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I can't answer that, but I can remind you that Europe didn't seem to mind our meddling too much in Bosnia and Serbia. They were more than happy to have us come clean the ***** out of their backyard. It was threatening to move into their house and they couldn't or wouldn't deal with it on their own.
- sixspeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I propose doing what the poster asks:
* Strengthen the understaffed and overwhelmed African Union peackeeping force already in Darfur.
* Push for the deployment of a strong UN peacekeeping force.
* Increase humanitarian aid and ensure access for aid delivery.
* Establish a no-fly zone. - CarryOrchid, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4The solution is simple. Leave them alone and let evolution/intelligent design/ or whatever you want to call it, work. There is nothing to gain or lose in this. Money sent to Africa is money thrown away. You would be better of burning it and using the waste heat for something useful. Not even the mighty USA has enough power to fix this. The genocide in Darfur has not caused anyone outside of that region any problem at all, and it never will. The culture and traditions of the people in that region include killing each other. Who are we to interfere with culture?
Do you really think that "free" elections, rule of law, human rights, and cable tv are going to help this situation? Keep dreaming. Or better yet, immigrate there and try to change the world. If that doesn't work, start up a support group for people grieving over Darfur. Then you can all cry on each others shoulders and quit bugging those of us with realistic expectations of the world.
I was about to suggest focus sing on something that can be fixed, like car crashes (over 2000 dead and over 200,000 injured every year in Canada). But once again, I see that as Darwin's theories in their greatest glory.
The other option is to save all these people. Over-crowd the planet and spur off planet exploration and settlement. I would like to work in the mines on Luna.
No matter how badly we pollute and corrupt this planet, and no matter how much effort we put into cleaning it up and protecting everything and everyone, Mother Earth is much more powerful than anything we mortals can do. The Earth will take care of itself, even if that means culling us human critters down to a more manageable number.
I could go on and on about this but I think somewhere in this rant I have made my point. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here is an example of the wonderful things the UN does for the world...
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/UnitedNations/story?id=489306&page=1 - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Digg as a whole is pretty strong, but like everything else we are side tracked by the petty things and refuse to agree.. :/
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"So what do people on Digg propose we do? Use our imperial influence to end conflict in the region? "
- Conwaysb0718, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Damned if we do, damned if we dont.
- CarryOrchid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Actually its just the opposite. Nothing to gain or lose.
America will be criticised no matter what. Get used to it and forget about it. Getting pissed off about criticism will just lead to more criticism, no matter how much superior firepower comes into play.
- CarryOrchid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Actually its just the opposite. Nothing to gain or lose.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Who has time for Darfur when there are PS3 and Wii pre-orders to track down?
- santacruzach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Am I wrong in remembering another episode in which genocide was occuring, and the United Nations did nothing? I seem to remember a private military operation going in with about 500 guys and taking down an armed force of 10,000 or so. The UN got all up in these guys' hizzy for doing this, even though they were happy they could stop stalling and 'debating' whether or not to call atrocities in crappy African "countries" genocide. The UN is composed of a bunch of money-grubbing, ineffectual, cowardly little pussies who serve no purpose but to talk big and act small.
I found this on the internet about Executive Outcomes, the mercenary company which disbanded after the UN made some ***** laws against PMCs.
"EO was the prototype private military corporation. Set up by veterans of the Apartheid era special forces it established a reputation for effective counter-insurgency when hired by the Angolan government. The rebel UNITA movement was so badly hamstrung by EO operations that it was forced to sign the Lusaka Peace Accords.
EO then moved on to Sierra Leone, where the government had been driven to the brink of collapse by a sadistic rebel movement dubbed the RUE EO turned that situation completely around, and when the company pulled out Sierra Leone enjoyed relative peace and a democratic election."
Although Sierra Leone soon sank back into civil war, this was more a failing of local and UN forces than of EO.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2242/is_1603_275/ai_55683933
The United Nations will stall, and they will debate, whether they are obliged to intervene. Meanwhile, people will die, and others will blame the US, or call upon the US to help, rather than those who SHOULD intervene, the UN.
This kind of stuff happens all the time, it's just that the media doesn't want to highlight just how ineffectual and inefficient and useless the United Nations really are. - thefangedrabbit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Has anyone on here heard what the people of Darfur actually want us to do? Do they even want our charity? I'm not saying they don't, just wondering if anyone knows.
- Conwaysb0718, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Holy ***** thats a great question.
- eddstar, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2No, that is actually a very stupid question... Anybody in their position would want to get any type of help, i.e. housing, food, medical, economic. They are humans just like you and I.
- Conwaysb0718, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's called pride. People dont want to be saved all the time in most cases regardless of the circumstances.
- malorkus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Its a stupid question because the victims are living in refugee camps fearing for their lives, living on the charity of nearby countries and foreign humanitarian groups. This is a *genocide*, not a civil war. They are taking all the help they can get.
- thisnode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@"Has anyone on here heard what the people of Darfur actually want us to do?"
Here is your answer:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1604/1864/1600/darfur1-afp.jpg
"We are not safe. Where is the international forces?" - thisnode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry, here:
http://quakeragitator.blogspot.com/2006/08/just-in-case-you-missed-it.html - cafzal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They don't have a voice, that's one of the major problems.
- mitsyforest, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"Every day, the 2.5 million people chased from their homes in Darfur face the threat of starvation, disease, and rape, while the few lucky enough to remain in their homes risk displacement, torture and murder." I donate, I blog do everything I can to help, but please, please help."
At that rate, the entire population of the conuntry (approx. 41M) would be out of the county in about 17 days. Does that make sense to anyone? Honestly, these are the poorest of the poor, where are they going?- garg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"the 2.5 million people chased from their homes"
It does not say every day 2.5 million are chased from their homes. It says "THE 2.5 million chased from their homes face starvation, disease and rape...."
- garg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"the 2.5 million people chased from their homes"
- eteyemd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Nothing happens is Darfur because China continues to block any UN action. This is in China's best interest as they are the recipient of 70% of the oil production from this region. They want to keep things as they are, hence, no UN action will be taken. This is an awful tragedy but to be honest I'm getting sick of trying to save the worlds problems. Its time for a little bit of "looking inward" on the part of the US and I'm looking forward to it.
- shiftless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Too bad. I don't want a single American soldier involved in this BS. It simply isn't worth it.
- derekknight, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Want to do something about it? Vote Democratic on Nov. 7.
The party currently in power of both houses of Congress and the executive branch have done little to nothing about the genocide. Time to change teams in Washington.- cpuenvy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Correct, vote for the other party that has no problem taking your money from you and giving it to other people. Democrats are the party of no ideas, and Republicans are the party of bad ideas... Great solution!
- CarryOrchid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You actually think there is a difference between the two parties? Whoever cons the most people, gets into power. By default, the other party has to be constantly pissed off at the people with the majority. A politician is a politician, a political party doesn't change that.
Whatever happened to "By the people and for the people"? Politicians are trained monkeys. You are a person. You deserve a seat in government, not a politician. - Nitron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Holy Hypocrisy, Batman!
The same Democratic party that made a big deal about Iraq being "unjustified" and "none of our business"? Makes perfect sense.
I'm not saying that nothing should be done about Darfur, or even that the democratic party won't do anything about it. Only that it's somewhat hypocritical to believe that the situation there is so different from the pre-war situation in Iraq that one is justified and the other is not. - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How about we vote for Libertarian candidates who would rather stay home and ***** our country before rushing off to “save” the world. Republicans + Democrats = two blind men in a ditch.
- FelixdaaHack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The politically correct warm fuzzy cause of the month.
- gravytop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Yeah. Not wanting to see generations of families run out of their homes and shot or starved. Boy, that's political correctness run amok.
- DooDooFace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm commenting on Digg, that is helping the world more than mere money can.
- patc6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I am sorry to say this but who cares. If the people are so scared, then why do they not rise up and fight the oppressors? Until these nations rise up and put together some form of government for the people...they get no love from me. Not my problem.
Here in America, we have our own problems and we need to fix them before we go off to fix other nations problems. If America was to help now what would we model the nation after, our own misfortunes and corruption? No one needs that and neither does America. Fix the problems within and then we can help others.
As far as the UN is concerned, just as corrupt if not more corrupt then America. The UN is just like congress, take a vacation and steal the people blind, then take another vacation and argue about who has the better party. The UN is just a waste of flesh that is filled with bureaucratic *****.- malorkus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You are exactly wrong on this. This is GENOCIDE carried out by the Sudanese gov't against a relatively powerless and poor group of its citizens. Ironically enough it started BECAUSE they tried to revolt and failed- This is the payback. If you *really* want to encourage them to revolt you should be in favor of stopping this.
What stops ANY country from killing it's citizens if they try to revolt against an unjust ruler? Only the consequences with other nations that disapprove. Right now ignoring this is helping make dictators more powerful. They can "punish" whoever opposes than and suffer no consequences. Only if the world takes action does it empower those who would revolt against a dictator. - tempest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Amen Brother!
This is the same reason most 3rd world countries remain *****. People get the kind of goverment they deserve. It may sound harsh, but if your country is that bad of shape, make a change.
As for the crowd who always want to throw money at these type of problems, if these countries can not afford to feed themselves, how come they always seem to find money to buy AK-47's and grenade launchers?
- malorkus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You are exactly wrong on this. This is GENOCIDE carried out by the Sudanese gov't against a relatively powerless and poor group of its citizens. Ironically enough it started BECAUSE they tried to revolt and failed- This is the payback. If you *really* want to encourage them to revolt you should be in favor of stopping this.
- caliyankee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Waaaaaaaaaaaah!
- stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There are far too many people, and, as animals, we are due for a die off. Yes, we are merely animals which have overpopulated, and it doesn’t matter to nature how clever we are. Nature will balance itself, and there’s ultimately nothing we can do about it. Social inequity and war are programmed into us for exactly this reason. What is going on in Africa, rampant disease and genocide, is only a result of the acceleration of nature’s tried-and-true balance mechanism: The strong devouring the weak. At great expense we can slow the process down, but, because of the sheer weight of our excess population, we can’t hope to stop it. We are predators; it is not in our nature to stop it, it is in our nature to devour, and be indifferent to the suffering of others, until we ourselves suffer. What you see now in Africa will occur, is even now occurring with greater frequency, all over the world.
No, you don’t want to read that, you will digg it down. I don’t blame you; the reality of life on earth is often ugly and brutal. One likes to hope for something more, and, to realize that hope, one likes to think we humans are something more than our natural role. Sometimes we do seem to transcend it, but not very often. Unfortunately, something more (AKA civilization) is only ever an exception to the rule. Those fortunate enough to have it need to defend it with all their might. - JJsays, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1SORRY! Iraq was not good enough to help, so I would have to say these people are screwed.
- Aeiri, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Digg's login system sucks....
Wrong article. Digg down..
Why does the login form redirect to the last article you opened, and not the referer? It's very confusing when you use multiple tabs... - rightofcenter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Majority of comments reflect conservative opinion on Digg?
*shocked - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Microsoft guy in his super yacht doesn't gives a *****.
- cheekey_monkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A billion dollars contained in the assets of one man when millions are suffering does not really make sense. Do we really need a million dollars to live comfortably, It is just buying luxuries. It also buys a wall we can hide behind with an ego, and a nice car that is supposed to make up for our "short comings".
- cheekey_monkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A billion dollars contained in the assets of one man when millions are suffering does not really make sense. Do we really need a million dollars to live comfortably, It is just buying luxuries. It also buys a wall we can hide behind with an ego, and a nice car that is supposed to make up for our "short comings".
- charlie55, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7why exactly am i supposed to care about yet another war somewhere? i am not an actor or a politician, i dont have to pretend i give a damn.
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe because we're human beings.
- mrselfdistruct, on 03/20/2008, -0/+0Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- cafzal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Your apathy is disgusting. People are dying and you don't give a *****.
- mrselfdistruct, on 03/20/2008, -0/+0Oh finnally i find humanity some where in all the comments i have read so far.... Some of those other comments I have read made me sick!!
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe because we're human beings.
- mrselfdistruct, on 03/20/2008, -0/+0According to international law; we must try to PREVENT or STOP genocide. Many world leaders are quoted as saying "Never Again!" where are they now?
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