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- psycobrat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+192good man.
saves allot of tax payer monies while stopping the jerks from commiting more crimes. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -4/+190If the police are authorised to shoot when shot at... I don't have any qualms with the average Joe (who isn't wearing a bullet-proof vest) who does the same.
- CrimsonBlur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+179@snakesonasam
Are you serious or are you joking? I really can't tell. He was shot at! The only reason he was alive to retaliate is because the robber had crappy aim and missed. You bet your ass you have the authority to kill someone that just shot at you! - timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+159Depends on local laws, but considering the guy was stopping a forceful felony, he probably won't be charged with anything. He was shot at, so it's self defense.
- jus1haz2, on 10/12/2007, -8/+162Thats so awesome that he shot them, less ***** morons wasting my tax dollars in prison w00t!
- Dimensio, on 10/12/2007, -19/+172Another sensless gun death. If people weren't legally allowed to own guns, then more criminals like this wouldn't have to fear for their lives when committing violent crimes.
Isn't that what the anti-gun groups want? - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -6/+109Nope, if guns were illegal you'd have a dead deli owner and two free scumbag killers.
- shifty2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+97*crosses off THAT store off list of stores to rob*
- RawShark, on 10/12/2007, -8/+102These two deaths will likely end up in the statistics used by gun grabbers to show that Philly and PA need stricter gun laws.
Some how, they will twist these raw numbers of a legitimate self-defense shooting into a call for 1 gun-a-month purchase limits. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+99"One of the robbers fired at Lee, but missed. Lee shot Toombs in the head and pumped two bullets into Williams -- one in the face and another in the back, according to police."
Damn, that ***** with that guy. He obviously know how to use a gun. In a gun class they taught you to use your gun as the last resort, but when you decide to use it you have to shoot to kill. - RuffRidr, on 10/12/2007, -11/+100And one of the robbers was 20. That will be classified as a child being killed by a gun.
- bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -10/+97This is a prime reason why our guns shouldn't be taken away
America ***** YEAH!!!! - wicketr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+76It doesn't matter who shot first. His, his wife's, and co-workers' lives were threatened with a deadly weapon and he has a right to protect himself with a deadly weapon. The same with the police. They can't use deadly force until their lives are threatened. If a guy has a gun and isn't pointing it at anyone they can't shoot him, but as soon as the guy starts looking to aim, the police can take him out.
- aspec, on 10/12/2007, -18/+88Yeah, but that's florida... black hole of intelligence
- novaculus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+65Instant Kharma
- JustinPM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+64No one will be robbing that store any time soon.
They should put "Now with more lead!" on the front of the shop. - Rockout, on 10/12/2007, -5/+64Right before they were shot, one of the robbers referred to the other as "Honey Bunny". Odd...
- wtfmx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+57wiketr: "It doesn't matter who shot first."
HAN SHOT FIRST - Dimensio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+60"Some how, they will twist these raw numbers of a legitimate self-defense shooting into a call for 1 gun-a-month purchase limits."
Don't forget the ban on "assault weapons". Clearly this shooting proves that we need to remove dangerous "assault weapons" -- weapons like the AR-15, the M1 Carbine an the M1 Garand -- from our streets, where criminals carry them openly every day. Right down Main Street and in front of City Hall. - Millenium, on 10/12/2007, -6/+57If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns.
- KingErroneous, on 10/12/2007, -3/+53"What kind of crap gun doesn't kill a guy when you shoot him in the face???"
The one Cheney used apparently. - merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -5/+54Jason Lee?
- biggbrother, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48He didn't get killed because of the robbery. He got killed because he was holding a gun in front of other people threatening to kill them.
- whoseroot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46This isn't his first time either. Back on August 15, 1993, Jason Lee's family grocery store (aka bodega) was held up in the East Oak Lane neighborhood of Philadelphia, about 5 blocks from this shooting. Then, his wife was being held by the throat and he shot and killed one man and shot another in the leg and back.
see: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/16874467.htm
I feel bad for his wife. She's the one caught up in his business ventures. - fastEE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44Mr. Lee and I support "Gun Control". Control your Gun to hit the target.
- Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+43Someone was trying out Vista's voice recognition feature.
- Dou6, on 10/12/2007, -4/+44Good on those stupid thiefs. Lee IS a hero IMO, because he has the balls to standup to criminals, and is the type of person everyone needs to be if our cities are to put any kind of dent in the rash of crime.
I feel bad for the people that live in states like Mass, NJ, CA where someone shoots an intruder attempting to rape their wife, and because they didn't renew their gun permit, they end up doing 20 years in jail for murder.
Luckily PA is still gun friendly, but I bet Philly is gonna cave eventually. As soon as these moron politicians are willing to give up their security detail, I am willing to give up my gun, but it ain't gonna happen. Out of touch hyprocrites is all it is in those states.
I fled the anti northeast for Texas...I couldn't be happier. - bassfanatik, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44That kid deserved what he got..It was not senseless...If someone threatened you with a gun, are you going to stand there and smile, or be the one to shoot first?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42"Another sensless gun death. If people weren't legally allowed to own guns..."
Then only the criminals would have guns, just ask the citizens of Australia what happened when their gun ban went into effect. I have many guns including an AK47 assault rifle. I also live in Florida where, thank God, we have the "Stand your ground law".
Sounds to me that not only was Mr. Lee a fine shot but he should be commended for garbage removal. - xcoastie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40This is exactly why I only rob/rape/kill in DC. I know I am safe as a criminal.
/s - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40- - loud applause - -
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39Time to get in my time machine and move to England circa 1997 then, because I can tell you, gun related crime in England is way higher in 2007.
- Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37libertao: "And just out of curiosity, do the people here cheering support changing the legal punishment for armed robbery to the death penalty?"
There is a difference between sentencing in court for armed robbery, and self hyphen defense where your life is in direct danger. - bassfanatik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Count one robber down..he got exactly what he deserved, I have no sympathy for the guy.
- jabberwonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35This is actually about 2 miles from my house - we saw all the hovering helicopters that morning on the way to work.
Lee has been robbed at least 2 other times at his dinner, and said that when these two robbed him he was afraid for his and his family's life, so he grabbed his gun and fired. He killed the one behind the counter that was closest to him. The other robber opened fire on him and he shot him in the face. That one then ran out the door and collapsed. Lee followed and the wounded robber attempted to get up and flee. Lee grabbed him and tacked him back to the grown and held him at gunpoint until police arrived. This is the video segment that someone captured with a cell phone.
This area (West Oak Lane, East Mount Airy) has been seeing an increase in violent crime in the last few years. Some speculate that it's because formerly low income areas of center city (Brewerytown, Northern Liberties) have become very expensive, trendy areas of town ($350k - $500k for small townhouses at minimum), the families (and criminals) that used to live there are forced into less expensive areas of the city - such as East Mount Airy, lower Northeast Philadelphia etc. - dbre2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35"Authorities said Lee would not be charged because he was acting in self hyphen defense."
wtf?
I mean
wtf question mark - SweetMercury, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34"Another sensless gun death. If people weren't legally allowed to own guns, then more criminals like this wouldn't have to fear for their lives when committing violent crimes.
Isn't that what the anti-gun groups want?"
Of COURSE!
Making guns illegal makes guns go away! Laws apparently work like magic. - tmessing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32FTA "Authorities said Lee would not be charged because he was acting in self hyphen defense"
I would call it a "self exclamation point defense" - Lockean, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35Having been robbed, twice, absolutely. Reckless disregard for the property of others is heinous enough, but for the safety of others is simply unacceptable. Why shouldn't someone be able to use the same amount of force threatened against them to defend themselves?
- Snokage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30@ devilspy
look closer... he didnt finsh anyone off.
it looks more like hes keeping the dude he shot TWICE from running off. - hukedonfonix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34Another little tidbit, "assault weapon" is nothing more but another term for a "scary looking gun" coined by politicians to push their own agenda.
Here's exactly what constitutes an "assault weapon":
* ability to accept a detachable magazine (imagine that, a rifle accepting ammunition)
* Folding or telescoping stock (oh ***** you can fold the gun in half?! EVIL!)
* Conspicuous pistol grip (so if i hold the rifle any other way, the bullet fired is any way less lethal?)
* Bayonet mount (drive-by bayoneting used to really be a problem back in the day)
* Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one (cause you know..flash suppressor = more damage)
* Grenade launcher (fine...maybe..)
Besides the grenade launcher, everything else is purely cosmetic. And why do you need a grenade launcher? Simple, people like ***** that goes boom. There are ranges for that, you go and blow ***** up, release some stress.
Why do you need a better car? That ***** you drive everyday gets you from point A to point B. Why do you need a better computer? The old one is perfectly capable of web browsing and word processing. Firearms are just like any other hobby, after awhile you want something bigger, badder and better. The point that these rifles end up on the street is moot, how many gang bangers do you see with an AR15 flung over their shoulders strolling through the hood? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32No. It didn't work, because the robber had an illegal gun. That is the definition of Gun Control not working... Criminals still owning guns.
Gun control prevents the law abiding from getting guns by making them jump through hoops to get one. - hukedonfonix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31@ oddmanout
The exponential jump in violent crime all over England once guns were banned has been ridiculous, you're going to tell me that has nothing to do with the ban? I'll take my chances with having a gun pulled on me thank you very much, i really don't fancy getting my head clobbered with a baseball bat just because i didn't have any reasonable way of defending myself.
Simple fact is that the uncertainty of a citizen packing heat is a very efficient way of dettering crime. - goldfenix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34A History of Violence anyone?
Edit: Digg down. At the exact moment I posted this, tokyomonster above posted the same thing, nearly word for word. Creepy... - BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28@libertao
""do the people here cheering support changing the legal punishment for armed robbery to the death penalty""
Not exactly but if you draw down on somone and you get killed it is justified. Might not be justice but justified. The old phrase "better you than me".
ANd if the story is true "The men demanded cash and threatened to open fire during the attempted robbery" if the not only brandished they threatened to use them. Phuck em feed em fishheads. - edebaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29He put the "die" in Diner
- doctorcaligari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27I think you are supposed to say what anyone would upon speaking the same sentence at the same time: JINX!
God I'm old... - MaynardJK, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31"And an assault rifle? what are you going to hunt with that? Wild Oklahoman Elephants?"
That statement right there shows that you don't know ***** about guns. My 7 mag or 30-06 will put a MUCH bigger hole in anything than most assault rifles, and both of them are legal. Assault rifles use the same ammo as other semi-automatic rifles. You are just like the rest of the anti-gun idiots that wants them banned because they look scary. - bodger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25Todays Special: Lead to go.
- Daedalus17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25Actually the ban got overturned in court this week. You might have to move if this holds.
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