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- kemp34, on 08/08/2008, -24/+125Georgia is at a tremendously critical strategic position for folks viewing the world from a conflict perspective (i.e. Neo-cons). Of course Bush and Co. would be active in Georgia.
- lazycat, on 08/09/2008, -8/+69"Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia": http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358
- inactive, on 08/09/2008, -4/+61Well.... not so much to fight Russia but to strengthen ties between the US and Georgia. For the US, empowering Georgia allows them to have an influence in the region and operate oil pipelines without making Russia or Iran more powerful. Since Iran and Russia already have relatively influential roles on the world stage (compared to georgia), any project involving them may be put at risk by political disagreements.
- TheMerky1, on 08/09/2008, -21/+70Russia has been trying to get Georgia to sign a treaty guaranteeing they would not use military force to solve the break-away region problems for over a month. It is obvious now why they wouldn't sign the treaty: they, with support from the US, were planning this incursion all along. Georgia is the one that bombarded the ***** out of what they call their own people. However, most South Ossetians consider themselves to be Russians and are, in fact, Russian citizens. The bombardment killed Russian citizens, including Russian peacekeepers there to prevent just such an incursion. So Georgia is the aggressor here. Russia has every right to retaliate.
- Rotzooi, on 08/09/2008, -8/+51After the US and UK, Georgia had the highest number of troops in Iraq (2,000). These are now quickly being withdrawn to fight at home. The surge must be working!!
- tommyredcoat, on 08/09/2008, -3/+44Georgian vs Russian Military
GEORGIA
Total personnel: 26,900
Main battle tanks (T-72): 82
Armoured personnel carriers: 139
Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven
Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95
RUSSIA
Total personnel: 641,000
Main battle tanks (various): 6,717
Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388
Combat aircraft (various): 1,206
Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550
Source: Jane's Sentinel Country Risk Assessments - Tangaroa, on 08/09/2008, -26/+65Is the headline writer kidding? If the US didn't prepare Georgia for a potential fight with Russia, then both the US and the Georgian governments would be derelict in their duties.
- swicken, on 08/09/2008, -3/+38Russia facing a US supplied country in conflict. Ahh it feels like history repeating itself.
- manergy, on 08/09/2008, -0/+35Since when do planes fly in the ocean?
- ASSASSYN360, on 08/09/2008, -15/+43Proxy wars are what we (U.S.) do!
- FlaG8r, on 08/09/2008, -61/+89WTF are you people complaining about? Georgia is on the verge of becoming a NATO member. Of course we helped prepare them to defend themselves. Russia is the aggressor here.
- Rotzooi, on 08/09/2008, -1/+28A mile a day for 200 years is over 73,000 miles. That is three times the circumference of the earth.
I'm going out on a limb here and say that you're incorrect. - pintomp3, on 08/09/2008, -7/+34why is that the US government's duty?
- DLRULZ, on 08/09/2008, -1/+28Well US did train Georgian soldiers and supply numerous weapons to their military, not to mention money. So i guess they did prep it, duhhhhhhh.
- moulin1, on 08/09/2008, -5/+30Saakashvili appears to be operating under the delusion that the US and Europe are going to intervene in the war on his behalf. There is no other explanation for his behavior. Georgia, a fraction of the size of Russia, has little chance in military conflict no matter how many guns the US sends them. More importantly they tried this last year and had to backtrack. Russia cut off their oil and transportation and cracked down on Georgian owned businesses in Russia. Georgia can only sustain this conflict for another 60 days or so. With no oil and cold weather coming their economy will collapse. And there is strong opposition to Saakashvili's rule in Georgia already.
- bromac, on 08/09/2008, -0/+21Conflict isn't partisan.
If you don't look at the world and see conflict from different perspectives, you're incredibly naive. - jwolcott, on 08/09/2008, -0/+20Grow up. If you're life is so boring that you need real - as in "not in a video game" - human loss of life, then you need to use your fingers less and the space between your ears more so that you can learn to enjoy things other than tragedy.
- cygnus2112, on 08/09/2008, -7/+26It would be similar to Quebecois separatists attacking Canadian interests inside Quebec, Canadian Forces responding to the violence and the France then invading Canada because some of the separatists hold French Citizenship.
Russia is in the wrong. Those who side with Russia in this conflict are also in the wrong. - sanman, on 08/09/2008, -10/+28Unfortunately, the Georgians are notorious for playing the game of catspaw in the region. They're the ones who helped sustain all the violence in Chechnya, in the hopes of keeping Russia on the ropes. US support to Georgia unfortunately helped to sustain this game.
It's games like that which can create the next AlQaeda or 9/11. I still remember that photo of Rumsfeld clasping hands with Saddam.
Let's all remember that Georgia was the birthplace of Stalin and Stalinism, one of the worst mass murderers the world has ever seen. The world doesn't need to see any more ***** coming out of Georgia, because it's already supplied us with more than a lifetime's worth in the past.
Saakashvili is an anti-democratic ruler who rigged the elections to keep himself in power. The guy doesn't have a democratic bone in his body. The US should stay away from crooks like that. Like I said, we have to learn from history, and stop playing these games over and over, because they're getting more expensive. - inactive, on 08/09/2008, -1/+18Don't they spy all the time?
- luke16, on 08/09/2008, -14/+30BREAKING: A russian spy plane was spotted off Okinawa.
Russian navy intelligence ship has been in the Pacific off Okinawa’s main island, possibly to monitor radio wave data from the U.S. forces in Okinawa, the Defense Ministry’s Joint Staff Office said Friday.
A Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyer found the 4,500-ton ship moving and stopping repeatedly in the high seas some 30 to 60 kilometers east of the island from around 2 p.m. Wednesday. The vessel stopped its engine and began floating at around 3 p.m. Thursday at a point some 70 km east of the southern tip of the island.
source: http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5629
World War 3, coming to a country near you! - gasoline, on 08/09/2008, -5/+19Russian news call all soldiers "peacekeepers". Was that shot down TU-22 bomber also on a "peacekeeping" mission?
- Clusterfrak, on 08/09/2008, -0/+13When I was in Air Intelligence command our line was" We don't spy spying is illegal, we monitor"
- sodade, on 08/09/2008, -1/+14Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled.
- OP100, on 08/09/2008, -12/+25The Russians back the separatists in Georgia and are itching for a fight to produce a demand to update their aging military equipment. There is no doubt that they have a grudge against the US backed Georgian government. The Georgian govt. although it appears that they started this mess, certainly have a right to protect their land from foreign influence or invasion.
- gasoline, on 08/09/2008, -3/+16Yup, as an European, I find it quite amusing and somewhat frightening how Russia provokes a conflict in Caucasia and Americans blame their government for it.
BTW, not everyone hates Americans. I live some 100 miles from Russian border (Tallinn, Estonia) and an American frigate will be making an unscheduled visit to my home town tomorrow and I DO feel more secure because of that. Thank you. - luke16, on 08/09/2008, -2/+15Russian spy ship.
Sorry my mistake. - shadowman99, on 08/09/2008, -13/+26Georgia invaded South Ossetia. Russia responded in South Ossetia's defense.
NATO would be foolish to invoke Article 5 in this matter, and I expect they won't. - RussianAndProud, on 08/08/2008, -3/+15Every country has it's own interests. Russia does. USA does.
- inactive, on 08/09/2008, -2/+14No ***** for Oil!
- uthreek, on 08/09/2008, -0/+11I'm ashamed and crushed to see those images of dead and injured Georgian people, peaceful civilians, hurt with no reason by our bombers. And I see almost nothing about it in our official media. But just recently I was reading blogs of Russian and Ossetian people who report right from the battle field or relay their conversations with those who are in South Ossetia now. And this is what they are saying: Tskhinvali - the SO capital - is leveled and lies in burning ruins, scattered bodies everywhere, wounded people are dying without medical help in the basements because they cannot leave the town which is under heavy fire of Georgian tanks and artillery. Survived witnesses talk about dreadful things: school that was shot with artillery and school kids were inside the building when the attack happened, Georgian infantry killing locals not taking even age into account, literally taking out whole families.
Right now it's like two hours since Georgian president announced publicly that he wants to stop this insanity and go for a pace talks, but it is reported that Georgina artillery is right now showering Tskhinvali along with GRAD missile systems not talking about snipers...
And this is what freaking dullards from CNN call 'DEFENSE FROM HOSTILE SEPARATISTS'...
I hate all this scaremongering and propaganda from both sides, but really there IS a massacre in South Ossetia happening right now.
We all, common people, here in Russia just want it to be stopped. We do not want that freaking oil transport or 'strong Caucasian Region dominance', and I hope our Dynamic Duo in power does not want this crap either, at east not that hard enough to blindly sacrifice human lives for it. Let's just stop Georgia from killing innocent people, and I'd prefer it to be done political way, because Saakashivili is threatening lives of his own compatriots for a dubious benefit of political exposure and NATO's war psychos acclaim - that is right now, and it may be the world peace next day, because you all know that it takes juts a single spark to unleash a devastating fire.
And I hope that our Army will act responsibly, correctly and professionally and that it will let itself to be used as political tool
- there is a severe chance of it happening, as I do hear some lunatics in our press howling at the smell of a blood. - inactive, on 08/09/2008, -9/+20With as much "aid" as we give to other nations, we could be blamed for just about every conflict in the world. You sheeple will keep voting the two-headed monster in and will never vote in a third party candidate. It's your fault.
- x0epyon0x, on 08/09/2008, -2/+13You must not remember that one time when we spent taxpayer money to arm, support, and train Bin Laden's Mujahideen so that they could drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. We're quite adept at sticking our noses into situations that seem to benefit us at the time, only to come back and haunt us later, all at the expense of the American taxpayers.
- Swarms, on 08/09/2008, -10/+21Seriously? Somehow I suspect that this would have been on Digg no matter which way it went. If we helped Georgia, we're the bad guys, if we didn't help them, we're the bad guys.
- gasoline, on 08/09/2008, -1/+12People flee Georgia and it's separatists regions because of WAR. Only a madman would stay there.
I'm not an American (I'm not even on the same continent!), so keep that Serbian BS to yourself. Oh, and BBC is very balanced. I've watched it in the past and I certainly will watch it in the future. - sanman, on 08/09/2008, -10/+20what crap. Saakashvili is an undemocratic dictator, and it's wrong for the US to back him.
Washington would be better off spending US taxpayer money at home on US citizenry, rather than on stoking foreign conflicts which can only bite the US back in the butt one day.
But hey, when you have a Federal Reserve to lend out unlimited amounts of money, then you can pretend you're rich enough to afford as many foreign wars as you like. And you sell your own citizens into bonded slavery, for a bottomless debt that can never be repaid. - foolofatook, on 08/09/2008, -0/+10Don't forget Afghanistan in 1978. Though the Afgani's had a bit of help.... oh.
- RussianAndProud, on 08/09/2008, -3/+13And I hope he'll just tell Georgian president to stop, since everyone is already involved. Kicking someone's ass is a bad solution, when human lives are on take.
Unfortunately, world nations have missed the point of return. At least, until Bush decides to stop the georgian war machine he's been financing for several years. - MrAckbar, on 08/09/2008, -5/+15If your name wasn't a Soundgarden album, I'd e-kick your ass. Our armed forces have paid dearly for the ***** that Bush has created. It is downright disrespectful to "hope" for their death.
- Troy64, on 08/09/2008, -0/+9Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.
- ciaran036, on 08/09/2008, -2/+11Yes they do.
- inactive, on 08/09/2008, -0/+8Well the Georgians are claiming they have already shot down 10 Russian jets. Stingers?
Anyone notice the "U.S." on that one guy's canteen. - AeroMerde, on 08/09/2008, -0/+8Russian planes routinely get intercepted by US jets. Not a big deal.
- inactive, on 08/09/2008, -5/+13Here's an example of a tool (sochee) brainwashed by the leftists in his society.
Eff is absolutely correct. I'll add that Russia has been getting more belligerent without any sense of provocation. I wouldn't put it beyond them to have instigated or assisted with this "revolution" in that area so it would weaken Georgia. Think of how many of those breakaways ran off to the US for aid, I wonder why? If Russia had treated them so fairly as Russia says they did, why did they come to us? You guys need to think beyond your own nearsighted ways. The world isn't roses and peaceniks. - barfooz, on 08/09/2008, -0/+7You realize that any US administration is going to support NATO and Western-aligned countries, right? No matter who is in office, we're going to be rattling sabers with Russia on the world stage.
- Dozernotz, on 08/09/2008, -0/+7@sanman
I was totally with you until you started blaming Georgia for Stalinism. That seems like a bit of a stretch no? - Kewlduderules, on 08/09/2008, -8/+15I have a hard time believing that the US pushed for war in this situation. If anything, I think the US was preparing the Georgians for the inevitable war with Russia. The Russians have a vested interest in expanding their oil empire in the central Asian republics. They have threatened many nations that were friendly to the US with economic sanctions in the form of oil transactions if they opened their markets to the US. Moreover, if anyone has been paying attention the Russians have been strong arming western companies to leave Russia and other central Asian republics in the form of bogus legislation, fines, and penalties costing the western oil companies billions. This just another part of the grand strategy to expand their interests. If anything, the Russians pushed for this war. I am no fan of US foreign policy and detest our current administration. I only call it as I see it. If anything, the Russians are pulling the strings in this situation.
- kakwakas, on 08/09/2008, -3/+10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war
Don't underestimate the little guy! -
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