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Did The Church of Scientology lie on CNN?

newsblaze.com — L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology wrote:' The only way you can control people is to lie to them'. Tommy Davis's interview with CNN, which is currently making the rounds on YouTube, shows that this strategy only works when people have no relevant information. The entire world can now see that Scientology cannot tell the truth on any topic.

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  • DavidMiscaviage, on 05/14/2008, -11/+241the cult must die
    • Plups, on 05/14/2008, -0/+37I'm sure you mean that only in an organisational sense and not as a threat. I'm 100% sure of it and that's how I shall interpret your comment. It's good to be careful about these things because - baddies in Scientology like to deliberately misinterpret things to make critics look bad and - goodies in Scientology may innocently misinterpret (or be told the misinterpretation by the baddies).
      • zerodaysoon, on 05/14/2008, -3/+16nicely said...

        "the beliefs of the cult must die" sounds better..
        • se1zure, on 05/14/2008, -16/+3so we live in a country where we are free to believe whatever we want and you want to take those beliefs away? It is one thing to get rid of their tax exempt status, but to say you want to deystroy their beliefs and religion is rediculous.
          • Mejari, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5It's not ridiculous to want to destroy Scientology's belief that disconnecting members of families is ok, or to destroy their policy of Fair Game, or any of the other evils that they commit and believe are true and righteous.
          • willy1234x1, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Uneducated people like se1zure are funny huh? /sarcasm
        • jstone, on 05/15/2008, -0/+10Here's a better one:

          Those in charge of the so-called Church of Scientology should be brought to justice in a court of law for their crimes against their own church members and humanity as a whole.
        • Tiak, on 05/15/2008, -0/+6The point has never been, "The beliefs of the cult must die." It always was, "The abusive practices of the corporation must be stopped."
      • trickyt, on 05/14/2008, -0/+9how about the cultiness must die
        • roblie, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4That's exactly how they thrived. The secretive cultiness and lies.
    • Duggan360, on 05/14/2008, -20/+5You meant to use 'n' instead of 'l'.....right? =]
    • ICSU, on 05/14/2008, -7/+20Religion spreading lies?
      Unheard of!
      • known, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Every religion now is a form of socio-economic Collusion.
    • MrObjectional, on 05/14/2008, -14/+1Why? Who are you to condemn anyone to death?
    • rentmitchum, on 05/15/2008, -0/+8Wow.. The website with the article against it has an advertisement that links to scientology.org.
      • nitesoulja, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2yea that GET THE FACTS ad thats even on youtube
      • Tiak, on 05/15/2008, -4/+1I recommend giving it a click... Google deserves the money.
      • heystoopid, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1It's googles unwanted extras
    • sanman, on 05/15/2008, -1/+7I think Hubbard was pretty honest and frank when he wrote those things. He said that the best way to make a lot of money was to start a church. He said that the best way to control people was to lie to them. As an atheist, I can pretty much agree with these things. It's no different than saying that religion is the opiate of the masses.
    • GDOG5, on 05/15/2008, -0/+10Tommy Davis. Anyone remember him from the BBC Panorama episode on Scientology? Search it in to you tube and you'll see the real Tommy Davis. An Arrogant *****!
    • Calle1620, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Tommy Davis aka. Grima Wormtounge
    • jer2eydevil88, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Legion
    • jesusx, on 05/15/2008, -4/+3Why is everyone hatin' on Scientology? I understand it's a bogus religion...but who cares? Don't practice it if you don't want to and leave the crazies be.
      • JoelGertner, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1It's their methods.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywk2UdsW9I0 amongst other things.

        Get educated.
      • avatarroku1, on 05/15/2008, -1/+4Umm... how about because they have gone so far as to murder people who get in their way?
      • Zerkave, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2we can't leave them be, they are censoring the internet and interfering with the distribution of free information, along with harming innocents and lashing out at their critics even when the critics are speaking out in a peaceful manner.
  • Relyt22, on 05/14/2008, -4/+138Why do they even bother lying anymore? No one takes them seriously. Also, they're very bad at it. It's time to give up the game, Scientology.
    • jsd8cc, on 05/14/2008, -5/+14How do you prosecute Anonymous? Send out a subpoena via Youtube?

      "If you happen to be a member of Anonymous, please show up so we can arrest you."
      • CryRightardCry, on 05/14/2008, -0/+13WHY would you prosecute?
        On what basis? Prosecuted for telling the truth?
        Prosecuted for embarrassing a cult?
        • se1zure, on 05/14/2008, -9/+4telling the truth isn't illegal, but bomb threats, death threats, and drive by shootings sure are.
          • ArielMT, on 05/14/2008, -1/+10As host John Roberts reported, "The FBI, which is looking into it, says it has found nothing to connect this group Anonymous with what you're talking about or death threats against members of the church."
    • Stavrosian, on 05/14/2008, -0/+11The problem is, lots of people worldwide DO take them seriously. Not every vulnerable person in the world will have heard about their lies and scare tactics before some smiley, innocuous-looking creature comes up and politely asks them if they would like to take a free personality test.

      Keep making noise, eventually we might get rid of these parasites.
    • Games4Life, on 05/14/2008, -3/+5I Just Lost.
    • bignerd, on 05/15/2008, -9/+2I see you are singling out Scientology but you may as well add Christianity, Islam, or any other religion. Scientology is lying the folks they cater to, while Christianity, Islam, and lie to the rest!
      • theviceroy, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2angsty internet tough guy hates religion --- film at 11!
      • bignerd, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Don't hate religion at all (it actually seems to do a good job of scaring people enough to keep their dumb ass in line), but I just think it's idiotic when people who believe in "magic" make fun of or talk down on people who believe in "magic"... If you know what I mean!
    • lynnjoines, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/arts_culture/Scientology_You_ll_Pa ...

      Did you see this story?
  • no12u, on 05/14/2008, -3/+112Yes, of course Tommy Davis lied and he just repeated the same non-information Scientologists always do when they are before a large audience. I wish a real journalist who had done their research would confront Tommy Davis (the Mouth Of Sauron). Better yet, I still want my Tom Cruise vs Jason Beghe debate.

    Peaceful Protest = End Of Cult

    PS: Great article
  • peggyamm, on 05/14/2008, -2/+114a bigger story might be when DON'T they lie
    • prisoner24601, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4The worst part is that the entire culture of scientology facilitates lying by eliminating any meaningful concept of truth. If you watch THEIR OWN "What Scientologists say about Scientology" video (an astonishingly vacuous and vapid piece of propaganda I might add) about 2 minutes into it they show their true colors in blazing neon. They have a very polished looking young man (wearing a lab coat of all things just to push a pathetic "hey even scientific and rational professional people believe this stuff" assumption into people's minds that only the truly mentally feeble would fall for or fail to notice) who makes the statement:

      "Whatever is true for you is true for you."

      What utter garbage and total intellectual suicide! What a pathetic excuse for a worldview!

      They don't even grasp the depth of their lies because their first mission is to cut the anchor their followers might have had to the idea of ANY absolute truth.

      It's on their YouTube channel and it's like watching a train wreck as these poor duped young people spew the nonsense that's they've allowed to infect their minds and is now rotting their brains.
      http://www.youtube.com/user/ChurchofScientology
    • Mejari, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4hasn't happened yet, but we'll keep you posted.
    • lynnjoines, on 05/16/2008, -1/+1http://digg.com/arts_culture/Scientology_You_ll_Pa ...

      Did you see this story?
  • Meatz, on 05/14/2008, -1/+35Finally someone dares to openly criticize Davis' blatant lies!
  • Berkana, on 05/14/2008, -2/+52Tommy Davis can go "Out-2D" himself.
    (Out-2D = masturbating in Scientology lingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btAcg62CF8A )
    • ausfahrt, on 05/14/2008, -0/+8Is that a punishment ... cause If you think it is then you must be doing something wrong ;-)
      • Berkana, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5No, but it is considered a crime against Scientology because it allegedly causes other Scienos to go "down-stat."
        OGC.
    • GDOG5, on 05/15/2008, -3/+5Tommy Davis. Anyone remember him from the BBC Panorama episode on Scientology? Search it in to you tube and you'll see the real Tommy Davis. An Arrogant *****!
  • hendrixiloveyou, on 05/14/2008, -3/+40lol did they lie?
    offcourse they did its scientology!
  • crystalblue69, on 05/14/2008, -2/+43lies? in my criminally master-minded pyramid scheme?
    it's more likely than you think.
  • suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -73/+13as a member of the Church of Scientology, I find this article offensive and biast.
    • RealmDown, on 05/14/2008, -2/+47Good.
    • Nhmarine, on 05/14/2008, -2/+43You are probably a scientologist because you are too stupid to spell biased and your gullible mind was easily trapped by their idiocy
    • Sol07, on 05/14/2008, -2/+29LOL WUT

      also of course its biased, but the fact remains; tommy did lie on CNN.
    • Marinium, on 05/14/2008, -2/+18We think you're lying........
    • anon93752, on 05/14/2008, -2/+15You can't spell either. Obviously, Scientology makes you lose grammar skills. It's spelled B-I-A-S-E-D, M-O-R-O-N!
    • bluntphallus, on 05/14/2008, -13/+12As a member of the Church of Scientology, I'm a ***** idiot.
    • unicronband, on 05/14/2008, -1/+35suzywang is a huge troll, not a Scientologist. Nothing to see here, move it along.
    • EarlOfLade, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8And I find you to be an insult to intelligent life..
    • cambob76, on 05/14/2008, -8/+1I love you Suzy.
    • gottarockit, on 05/15/2008, -1/+5Oh you poor poor thing...
    • Fordi, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2What a damned shame.

      (Nice Poe by the by)
    • heystoopid, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Traveling in a fried-out combie
      On a hippie trail, head full of zombie
      I met a strange lady, she made me nervous
      Where women glow and men plunder?
      Cant you hear, cant you hear the thunder?
      You better run, you better take cover.
  • Anonakitty, on 05/14/2008, -1/+40Of course they lie ,they lied about infiltrating the american government and Operation Freakout , they lied about kidnapping Martine Boubill last year , they lie all the time .they are a dangerous mafia like criminal cult interested only in grabbing the cash of their victims at any cost.
    and
    the good news it......

    they are going DOWN
  • Nhmarine, on 05/14/2008, -13/+26Think of scientology, with the extremely stupid premise of its religion, and its corruption as a metaphor for all religions, especially christianity. No, don't digg me down just because you are religious, actually think about it....
    • SquigglyP, on 05/14/2008, -6/+12It's true. Most people seem to think that the beliefs of Scientologists are crazy, what with the aliens and volcanoes and what not, but the beliefs of every religion I've ever heard of are pretty much the exact same level of crazy. The only difference is that most people were introduced to their religion by their parents, and children will simply believe whatever their parents tell them is the truth. Christianity, Islam... pick a religion and it's just a big pyramid-like control scheme, but old enough that most of the people involved - even those at the highest level of the religion - aren't aware of it anymore. The major religions are just cults that were so successful that people forgot they were cults.
    • ElAssoWipo, on 05/14/2008, -5/+7The only difference is that they sell a "service" while the other religions just beg while pretending that God needs money.

      I don't think they've done anything christianity has never done.

      But hey, we'll get to the others eventually. A scam is a scam, no matter how old.
      • StarlessKnight, on 05/14/2008, -3/+7God doesn't need money, but the Church does. Putting aside the greed of some leaders, in order for the Church to function, in order to teach its members, reach out to communities, and retain ownership of a place of assembly a Church needs money. No money, no funds to do X, Y, or Z. Donating to the church is honoring what it stands for; in Christianity's case it's honoring that God is worth that 10%. I'm not arguing whether religion is right, but the assertion that all religions are scams is nonsense.
        • ElAssoWipo, on 05/15/2008, -1/+5It's not an assertion, study the history of religions instead of studying religions and it's obvious.

          Christianity, for instance, was pretty much used to give the fear of god to peasants and the title of near god to kings. Popes named kings.

          Confession was a paid service, introduced at the same time as hell. Leo the Great, a pope, funded his armies with it.

          There's absolutely nothing in christianity that didn't originate as a scam to control people and take their money. Well, the Old Testament is excluded from this, but that's pretty much judaism.

          And Judaism is the same.

          The fact that they are accepted right now and that they changed their ways to actually fit the scam doesn't mean it wasn't originally a scam. And the premise for taking money is... an unfounded claim that some entity wants you to do something for him: that's a ***** scam.
          • oldhick, on 05/15/2008, -2/+1Thats a huge load of *****. First, you're starting with the Catholic church... Believe it or not the church was around before then... Also, Hell was introduced as bibilcal concept in the bible looooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnggggg before the Catholic church existed.
            Good try though!
          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_I
          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Weird, my comment's not there but the link is.

            Anywho, Hell was not part of catholicism until leo the great.
            http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm

            And which Bible? The oldest one we know of is the Masoretic text. It existed before the old testament, which was added.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_text

            The christian bible, in it's current versions (i.e. translations), is not older than a few hundred years. It's all made up.
    • oldhick, on 05/14/2008, -5/+19I have thought about it... Here are some major difference I thought about.
      1 - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism don't require investment for salvation or to learn about their faith and their histories
      2 - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism all hold honesty to be a virtue. There is no effort to hide or mislead folks about elements of the faith
      3 - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism are all extremely ancient faiths with historical relevance and in many instances are the historical records for entire groups of people.
      I can go on and on and on but whats the point. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
      Its always easy to lump faiths together and to claim that they are scams. In certain cases that is 100% correct. Have people made money and profited by taking advantage of peoples faith, yes? Is that a fundamental principle of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or Hinduism? No.
      Love, peace, charity, and service are the foundations of these religions. But people can ***** up anything they can get their hands on.
      • staffa, on 05/15/2008, -4/+3I will only speak of Christianity here as I am not familiar enough with the other religions.

        1. Yea, the church never asks for money, heck the church has a long history of demanding money for forgiveness.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence
        2.
        Scientology also holds honesty as a virtue, just because they are dishonest to the core of their being's doesn't mean they don't call it a virtue when they talk to you. Scientology's practices are tame compared to the Spanish Inquisition.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
        Or the 4Th crusade where they sacked Constantinople, a very Christian city, for loot.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade

        3. Scientology will be ancient in a thousand years and with digital media the record will be far more verbose. I guess that will make it OK.
        • oldhick, on 05/15/2008, -1/+6I was waiting on this... What you're referring to our people. Christianity never taught any of the things you refer to. Christianity is the belief in Jesus and his teachings. The spanish inquisition, the crusades, and indulgence are all specific to the Catholic faith and have no basis in the teachings of Christ.
          1.) When Jesus says the only way to heaven is through the belief in me, he never mentioned money. He mentions faith. When he speaks of forgiveness he asks that people pray for forgiveness. The Catholic church brought money into it and that conflicts with the teachings of Christ.
          2.) Jesus said the most important thing in the world anyone can do is to love thy neighbor as thy self. To turn the other cheek, to forgive. The Spanish Inquisition is obviously in complete conflict with these teachings. I could bring up the historical context of the Spanish Inquisition and how religion was just an excuse to justify a political movement, but that would be lost on you.
          3.) Certainly Scientology will be ancient in thousands of years. But it won't be one of the ONLY sources of history that we have on an entire race of people and time period.

          People will always bastardize things. The neat thing about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology is that he didn't wait for people to twist his statements, he flat out ***** people over from the get go.
          Good try though!
          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Only one problem: Jesus never started a religion.

            People started a religion based on the history of Jesus.
          • oldhick, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1How do you define a religion? He asked people to believe in him. He asked people to gather together in his name. He asked people to spread his message to others... So certainly, he never started a specific church, but he certainly started Christianity. I personally am not a fan of any of the Christian denominations because I don't think they are very biblical or true to Jesus' teachings.
            But that being said, how do you define a religion? If Jesus didn't start a religion, he started something very similar. I guess you could say he created a philosophy much like Budda... Thoughts???
          • ElAssoWipo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Prove it.

            According to history, Jesus was just a judaic reformist who got killed. That's all manuscripts of the time have to say about him.

            Most of what you read in the bible has nothing to do with the actual jesus and is mostly based on the pagan religion. Historical evidence pretty much contradicts the entire biblical story of jesus, even the places he's been.

            http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullvi ...
        • staffa, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Christianity is a religion, it does not act, people act in its name and if the Pope can't be considered the actor for Christianity then I dunno what to do in talking to you. Christianity has a long history of taking money, supporting immoral acts and perpetuating a long series of events that would now be considered crimes against humanity.

          Christ may have taught different things, but Christ is a person, he is not a religion.

          Stop comparing apples to oranges, you want to compare Christ to L Ron. Hubbard, fine

          But we were comparing Christianity with Scientology.

          And regardless of how much better one person might have been then the other. Both religions are pretty much the same, one is just older then the other and has had more practice at it.

          Though I would still submit that if in 2000 years there was a country where 90% of the people believed in Scientology. L Ron Hubbard would be considered in as much esteem as Christ is today. The years have a way of removing the dirt and adding shine to these things and that is a lot of years for the leaders of the church to polish up their 'Christ'


    • shinythingy, on 05/14/2008, -2/+10funny. i don't remember having to pay to believe in God. Way to lump all religions together
      • EarlOfLade, on 05/14/2008, -6/+6Really?
        I seem to remember many religious cults requiring tithing and other forms of monetary and vocational contributions.

        Most religions requires quite a bit of financial sacrifice.
        • StarlessKnight, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Require or strongly encourage? I don't remember being fleeced at the door because I didn't put any money in the plate/envelope.
        • oldhick, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Cults certainly require payment. I'm not aware of any Catholic or Protestant churches that require it.
    • wyndl, on 05/14/2008, -6/+3anyone that says something about other mainstream religions not 'requiring money' needs to research the worth 'tithe', especially the part about "In fact the earliest groups sold everything they had and held it in common to be used for the furtherance of the Gospel (Acts 2:44-47)." Which is almost exactly what scientology does.
      If anyone EVER does any REAL research into religions, you will find that 99.9% (sorry, I often resort to hyperbole for effect) of them were started as political movements established due to some dissatisfaction with some other political group/religion. This is true even further back then Christianity, with all of the religions we conveniently call "mythology" these days.
      • Fordi, on 05/15/2008, -2/+2It's my hope that atheism will displace most religion within my lifetime. I don't see it as likely, but it's good to hope for rationality.
      • oldhick, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Tithing isn't a requirement. And Tithing doesn't mean your money has to go to the Church. Tithing simply means you should give away a percentage of your money to Gods service. That could be the church, charity, missionaries, etc... But keep up the research!
  • yodaj007, on 05/14/2008, -1/+17This was on Digg a while back, but in case people missed it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y
    • gottarockit, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OD HUBBARD!!! LOL!!!
  • grinningsadist, on 05/14/2008, -2/+44"Did The Church of Scientology lie on CNN?"

    They lie everywhere else, what's one more venue?

    If Tommy Davis told me the sky was blue, frankly I'd feel a need to look out the window and check. That boy needs some serious psychiatric care.
    • Mejari, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5Or to be locked in a room, not fed and bitten by cockroaches. Wait, that already happened to someone, didn't it?
  • cyranthus, on 05/14/2008, -3/+33you can totally tell hes lying throughout the entire video.. anybody familiar with body language will find it completely obvious. he blinks and shifts his eyes constantly. what a dousche.
  • Sol07, on 05/14/2008, -1/+23looks like someones going back to RPF~
  • lhbaker, on 05/14/2008, -2/+12In other news: Dog Bites Man
  • Enochulator, on 05/14/2008, -1/+24"So what is Scientology?" "Go to the website to see for yourself." Huh?
    • StarlessKnight, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10"Don't believe what other people are saying, see for your self!" -- If everyone applied that thinking to everything in life humanity, as a whole, would never move forward; we're be too busy doing everything that everyone else had done because we didn't communicate lessons or knowledge we learned individually to the rest of the community--a failure to delegate.

      Scientology should explain why the beliefs on the internet are wrong. They had a chance right there. "Does that sound silly?" + 'because we don't believe alien parasites are infesting your body, we believe X Y Z; which is all much more reasonable. You can see why we think so, right, even if you don't agree?' Nope, nah, easier to deflect and ask people to visit your website that only lightly touches on what you "stand" for; it's like someone walking up to your door to tell you about Jesus and that being enough then and there to make a life commitment (when, in fact, there is so much more you don't talk about you should be aware of before making that decision).

      Scientology could fill the Encyclopedia Britannica could it? Probably because it's such a winding and twisted maze of ideas that you inevitably get lost and accept a general premise as the truth when it's furthest from. Scientology should be able to explain its basic, fundamental belief in a paragraph. It won't be complete, it may not be pretty, but if everyone else can do it why not them?
  • sockpuppets, on 05/14/2008, -16/+3Alright, which one of you meddlin' kids is posting videos to the epileptic forums?
  • unicronband, on 05/14/2008, -2/+33Lie-entology
  • mark076h, on 05/14/2008, -3/+27Scientology is a lie!
    • DiggJunkie, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3so is the cake
    • absurdist, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Therefore, Scientology = the cake.
    • positron, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2.....o(you)..........................T(truth)..........................C(delicious scilontology).....
    • Games4Life, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Scientology? In my Delicious Cake?
  • neems25, on 05/14/2008, -0/+16We should totally get that drunk Darth Vader to pay a visit to THIS church....
  • LimerickMaster, on 05/14/2008, -24/+7There once was a crazy named Cruise
    Whose religion is so For the Lose
    They lied to CNN
    And if it happens again
    A gun to their head I will use
    • goodposter, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8that was terrible
      • LimerickMaster, on 05/14/2008, -0/+17Though my limerick has failed this time
        My talents will soon reach their prime
        While the poem does lack
        Please cut them some slack
        For they're correct in syntax and rhyme
        • underdog138, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Except for your subject/pronoun agreement.
        • Slices, on 05/14/2008, -7/+1Check out mr Rick, he's the master of lime,
          just watch get it on time and time again
          rhyming is no crime, but as matter of fact
          I'll go for far as to say lime's rhyme is kind of whack.
          his skills may be sub-prime, but his spirit is fat.
          so - Just check your flow and relax, guess what?
          You just suck a little, and scientology sucks big-ass!
        • IanPR, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Do you ever get bored of doing limericks?
          By the way... try limerick-ing a one word answer! haha
        • Gregbertt, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Clever though your premise and delivery may be, they do violate iambic pentameter. Every other syllable, every other syllable...
    • se1zure, on 05/14/2008, -3/+3tom cruise is not the head of Scientology, and fighting idiocy with idiocy is retarded
  • goodposter, on 05/14/2008, -24/+3***** the riaa
  • sylvok, on 05/14/2008, -2/+11It appears the cults bury squad is out. Can digg fix this already, we are at 231 diggs and somehow this isnt on the front page
  • dildoolielly, on 05/14/2008, -13/+24What a dumb question

    ALL religions are based on lies
    • cquinnd, on 05/14/2008, -6/+13Not true. You can argue that many religions are based on questionable beliefs, unsupported anecdote, and metaphors that are open to wide interpretation; but few seek to deliberately decieve their followers.
      • elcapitanp, on 05/15/2008, -1/+4Oh, I get it, if you really believe it then you aren't lying right?
        • Fordi, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Well, yeah. That, however, doesn't make a spoken mistruth any less a lie, though. At that point, you're not lying, you're repeating lies.
      • dildoolielly, on 05/15/2008, -4/+5----------You can argue that many religions are based on questionable beliefs, unsupported anecdote, and metaphors that are open to wide interpretation; but few seek to deliberately decieve their followers.------------------


        Do you get paid by the Church to post this sh*t?!

        Evolution is a real process whether you like it or not. No matter how many lies, mistruths, and non-sequiturs you spout here. Evolution is a real process even if you're offended by it. Evolution is a real process even if you feel it contradicts your religion. The fact of the matter is that evolution is a real process, a proven process - a real part of our objective universe. So, if Truth is something that matters to you, then you cannot 'disbelieve' in evolution or preach against it. Then again, if you don't care about lying, deceiving, and misleading others, then you can obviously do and say whatever you want - regardless of whether it's true or not.

        And why don't you present what you feel is the best piece of evidence for the biblical jesus? Actually, one of the main reasons I denounced my Christian faith is because of quite the opposite, I can't find one single shred of evidence for the jesus of the bible. Not one artifact or eyewitness account. Not even in the Bible

        No more debates filled with fancy symantics, just back up your statments with actual scientific evidence.

        Can you help?
        • sp3rmizoid, on 05/15/2008, -1/+5Troll.
        • Barclay1188, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3I think you missed what he was saying. Scientology 'deliberately' misleads its followers so they can cash in, with written proof that they should do so by the founder himself. How this got onto the basis of evolution is beyond me.
          Maybe you got led there by how the Catholic church controlled schooling way back when. They don't any more. That's why they got their own system that you have to opt in for.
          Maybe you think its because I.D. believers want their theories want to be heard. I.D. believers != Christians (not always) and they believe it, so it can't be deliberate deceitfulness.
          If you can't find any evidence for the anecdote of the Bible, it is then unsupported anecdote to you. Some people may still believe it. Thus, again, they don't try to deliberately deceive you because they themselves believe it.

          Keep the post on topic. He wasn't saying they were right, just saying that Scientologists were wrong because the highest seats have written documents that state they should lie. No need to start a flame war. And its spelt S-H-I-T, there is no * in any word I've seen.
    • se1zure, on 05/14/2008, -2/+10Wrong.

      First of all unproven belief is not equal to a lie. This is why there is faith, people feel they don't need evidence. Second of all, there are small religious groups who often do no more than promote methods to leading a better life. Not every religion has a deity. For example I could make a religion right now which just focuses on being polite to others. Thats not a lie.

      Perhaps you meant every major religion is based on lies, wherein you are still not accurate. They are based on faith in currently unprovable concepts. Even if you were able to scientifically prove there is not such thing as a diety (and quoting scientific laws is not proof, because a scientific law is only a law until disproven), then they were not lies, they were incorrect guesses or judgments.
      • dildoolielly, on 05/15/2008, -4/+3----------"First of all unproven belief is not equal to a lie. This is why there is faith, people feel they don't need evidence......Even if you were able to scientifically prove there is not such thing as a diety (and quoting scientific laws is not proof, because a scientific law is only a law until disproven), then they were not lies, they were incorrect guesses or judgments"------------


        You would make an awful lawyer in court and I would feel sorry for any person you might represent. What you think is a logical way of thinking actually fringes on the psychotic.

        Let me put it this way, If one of your loved ones was on trial for a horrible crime and all the "evidence" the cops had was hearsay from what someone said someone else said, would you agree to 30 years hard labor or eternity in hellfire?

        I'm sure I'll get an intellectual answer

        • Barclay1188, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Reading your quote makes it seem illogical, but the whole post is actually right. His logic is not borderline psychotic because you don't agree with it. It is actually one of the most logic answers on this page, if you'd spend the time to read it and comprehend it.
          Case and point is your analogy. I can't even understand how you derived that from his statement.
    • sp3rmizoid, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4Troll.
  • RSMiller, on 05/14/2008, -2/+35I so want a Guy Fawkes mask now...
  • Lokishot, on 05/14/2008, -2/+6It's not like noboby lies on CNN.
  • Duggan360, on 05/14/2008, -3/+14Tee-hee, They should be called......The church of Lientology!!!! I crack myself up
  • cabdirazzaq, on 05/14/2008, -12/+4Who could of thought that churches could lie? Kudos to Islam for not having such corporate institutions.
  • unpolloloco, on 05/14/2008, -1/+11Whoa!!!! Wait a minute!!!!! Scientology lied ?!?!?!?!?!?!!? On CNN????
    It would be more newsworthy if scientology (or most anyone for that matter) didn't lie on CNN
  • Slices, on 05/14/2008, -22/+4I don't know why you guys get so upset with scientologists... don't you realize you're only empowering them with your anger?
    • cquinnd, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6That assumes everyone is actiing out of anger.
      • Slices, on 05/14/2008, -2/+5I was merely addressing the vast majority of diggers who consistently bash out scientology like it's the root of all evils.

        It's just a bunch of nutties... leave them be and they'll go away. Spread hype (either positive or negative) you'll only be throwing coals to the fire.
        • Mejari, on 05/15/2008, -1/+6Yeah, and we really should just leave Hitler alone, he's not hurting anyone. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
          I know it's an extreme example, but it fits: Large group of people following the every whim of a psycho leader, wants to take over the world.
          • sp3rmizoid, on 05/15/2008, -3/+1Uh Dude? Hitler died a long time ago.
          • Mejari, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1sp3rmizoid, point. point, sp3rmizoid. I guess you've never seen each other before, sp3rmizoid keeps missing you.
    • Fordi, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Empowering them in what way? Scientology sales and recruitment are way down, there's not a non-'clear' soul on earth left right now that isn't aware of the sham they are, and they're getting a bit desperate if they're trying to advertise during a CNN interview.

      Even so, your assertion that the 'nutties' will go away, not so much. The leadership of Scientology actively recruits and preys on ignorance to do so. They're not going to just go away. They're going to grow in numbers on the backs of the stupid - and I'm sorry, but we have more than enough combinations of strongly religious + stupid in this country.

      I wouldn't mind so much if it were the Freezoners, who are a hell of a lot more egalitarian than Scientology proper, but the enforced disconnects, the fair gaming, the 'sec check' interrogation practices, and the systematic fleecing of their members is decidedly worth fighting against.
  • frenchi, on 05/14/2008, -16/+4People LIE on TV??? OH MY GOD! what has this world come to?
    • IanPR, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Everything except Jerry Springer. Damn those midgets really hate each other. ;D
  • bumblefoot, on 05/14/2008, -3/+12ok this has 300 diggs but is not on the front page yet, when there are 2 stories with under 100 on there?

    what is up with that?
    • CarnivalOfDust, on 05/15/2008, -0/+7The Digg algorithm is obviously an OT-III
  • thelimopit, on 05/14/2008, -6/+8Religion in hypocrisy shocker!
    • SaladCactusKing, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6Scientology isn't a religion.
  • and303, on 05/14/2008, -16/+4Who ***** cares?
    • infinitus64, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3the internet community, where have you been?
    • starblink, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Lisa McPherson's family cares Google her.
  • elbowman, on 05/14/2008, -10/+4So, Scientology is related to the Bush Administration in what way?
  • krnldmp, on 05/14/2008, -2/+6Whenever a church speaks.
  • umbrellainabin, on 05/14/2008, -14/+3***** SCIENTOLOGY
    ***** THE RIAA
    ***** THE MPAA
    ***** THE BFPI
    ***** THE BFI
  • djdingo, on 05/14/2008, -5/+23Scientology lied.
    The cake is a lie.
    Scientology is cake.
    Mmmmm...Scientology...
    • Drax0n, on 05/15/2008, -1/+4Best comment ever (to bad not many people seem to have gotten the joke)
      • Melancholiatic, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1No, some of us are just over the excessive "OMG XD THE CAEK IS A LIE".

        It's like if people still referred to things as "wicked sick" to this day.
    • BMANZZS, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I like your philosophy.
    • Fordi, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Does that mean.. does that mean that Soylent Green is Scientologists?
  • WaveRunningNakd, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4Cue the next YouTube press release from Anonymous.
  • bejayel, on 05/14/2008, -1/+15I think the real question is: "Does the church os scientology ever not lie?"
  • PhantomPhoenix, on 05/14/2008, -3/+10Of course they lied! They're a cult. What else do you expect? You act like this is news...
    • se1zure, on 05/14/2008, -4/+2since when is the definition of cult "a liar"?
      • elcapitanp, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3He isn't saying "They lied, therefore they are a cult," he is saying "They are a cult, therefore they lied." You should look up the term "syllogism."
  • flogistan, on 05/14/2008, -6/+4' The only way you can control people is to lie to them'.
    Sounds alot like the philosophy of leo strauss and the neoconservatives. Shouldn't we be paying more attention to that than scientology, since the straussians are using it to kill hundreds of thousands of people, and scientology has hardly killed anyone in comparison?
  • etx313, on 05/14/2008, -0/+7Is this a joke? Look at the banner... http://bayimg.com/AAJGJaabk
    • ArielMT, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3LOL, yay, Google Syndication! (Thanks for the screenie; NoScript hid that from me completely!)
  • mrogi, on 05/14/2008, -0/+14Why would anybody think Scientology would lie to its believers? It aint like the religion was started by a science fiction writer who used one of his storylines to sucker idiots out of their money.
    • sp3rmizoid, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5Hmmm. I don't recall anyone actually asking me to pay for a Bible. They're usually free for the taking in any hotel room that I've stayed in.
      • theviceroy, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2hey now the Guideans will gladly send you a free copy, no need to take one from a hotel!
      • solid12345, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1No you just drop money in the collection plate to fund those mega churches.
  • IphtashuFitz, on 05/14/2008, -0/+11Direct link to the CNN report mentioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vviGgURRLkM
  • andyd273, on 05/14/2008, -1/+12Did you see their lips moving?
    Yeah, that was a lie then...
  • thrashertm, on 05/14/2008, -3/+10Doesn't anyone claiming to know the "will of god" lie on CNN?
  • Falor42, on 05/14/2008, -2/+7All you damned suppressors, cant you see that I am trying to rid myself of alien thetans! Why dont you just leave my cul...church alone!
  • sdigroup, on 05/14/2008, -2/+11Co$ = EVIL
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