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- Napoleone, on 10/10/2007, -6/+57Why is this administration so keen on seeing that our Rights under the Constitution are made null and void? Why does congressional leadership not move to impeach this apparently criminal President and Vice President? Are they being threatened, are they being blackmailed? Are they in cahoots?
Something strange is going on in Washington D.C. The GOP turn on one of their own in an instant simply because the man tapped his foot in a men's room (is the bar for probable cause that low now?), yet they don't bat an eye as this Administration tears the Constitution to shreds. Why is that? Why did Democrats grant the President broader illegal wiretapping powers than what he was asking for? Is it because they believe those powers might come in useful when they get into the White House?
It's hard not to be a cynic, not to believe in fringe conspiracies, when by and large our elected representatives behave like dictatorial misfits. I'm willing to bet what little I got that not even 10% of them have even a casual familiarity with the Constitution, much less a deep understanding of it. I am not a constitutional scholar, but I know that James Madison, and Ben Franklin, and Jefferson, and Hamilton, George Washington, and Adams.. and the whole lot of the founders -- imperfect men as they were -- worked hard to ensure that the Constitution would make us less subject to the whims and vices of imperfect men. Yet there we are again. - EntropyMan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+23It wasn't clear to me if Addington was hoping for another attack on civilians or bombing the FISA court itself. It sickens me that there's even room to wonder.
- Tabou, on 10/10/2007, -6/+24I'd like to thank all the idiots who not only voted for Bushco in 2000 but did it again in 2004 -- just out of spite. I hope you got a chance to have that beer with Bush. That was why you voted for him, right? And I hope you're happy!
- hiphoc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16Isnt the meaning of terror the use of fear of violence to get your way? Then isnt this guy a terrorist? My bad he has an R next to his name. So he is a patriot, and I am just a left wing nutter. /sarcasm
Oh, and let me say this before some CentCom troll does, but but but Clinton....(insert cliche here) - pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15please let it be in his proximity.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10America today...how will you tell your grandchildren about it???
- Subvexer, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Are all nutter attorneys called Jack?
- SpencerMc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Revolution.
Today. 3 o'clock.
Behind the monkey bars.
Be there. - Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10An attack on civilians. They didn't give a ***** about the FISA court per se, since they ignored it, but they were hoping for a pretext to push through legalization of their lawbreaking, since it's easier to get things done when you don't have to "compartmentalize", as they say.
- rarson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Your first paragraph can be answered by the fact that they're a bunch of globalist ***** trying to erode our national sovereignty so that they can create a global government and usher in a "new feudalism" (their words, not mine). This is evidenced by the fact that many of them (Republicans and Democrats) are members of the CFR. If you don't realize how ***** up it is that Americans can spout the ***** that comes out of the CFR, Americans who live in a country entirely based on freedom and sovereignty, then just go to their website and read some of the articles the CFR has made available.
Anyone who is a member of the CFR should be considered a traitor because the CFR stands for everything the US isn't. And guess what? They include many big corporations and prominent news people. - Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Well son, we used to have this thing called the **whispers** Constitution **whispers**. With it came **whispers** Rights **whispers**. And real Americans question those who were in power to keep them in check, even when those individuals seemed to be on our side.
Then came Bush, and all that changed son. That's why we're still in Iraq, 30 years later.
Grandchild: Help, help, my grandfather's a traitor!!!!!! - Subvexer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6They learned not to get caught again after Nixon. That's all.
- 2reflective, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Exactly. All the mainstream candidates on both sides are CFR members - i.e. they protect the interests of wealthy individuals and corporations first and the people second.
- natedouglas, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I would like to thank all the idiots on both sides who think their duty in a democratic society ends at voting for a presidential candidate and who don't fight the government tooth or nail for their self-determination.
- mjb02, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5For myself, I am quit skeptical of their being any real choice from the perspective of Democrat or Republican. I have voted for individuals from each party at one time or another. I have done my best to keep my shades from becoming polarized. And what I mean by polarized, it's not that I avoid having a firm stance on a topic, but I avoid not listening to an opposing argument.
True civil discourse has been replaced with contempt.
We exist today in an environment that conveniently has the plebes nearly perfectly polarized. I would think this creates a very nice situation in which little persuasion is need to achieve any end that the elite may desire or need. Unfortunately, and perhaps more disturbing, is that actual popular consensus is no longer needed. A near even split is all that is required. When we simple plebes are so perfectly polarized, how is anybody to know what "most Americans" truly think they want? All the elite have to say is that it was so.
Sadly, the only way for this country to move forward is to take a step backwards. It has to start at the local level, and work its way upward. If we as a people cannot once again understand and embrace the constitution on which this country was founded the Republic is doomed to become a tyranny. Too many of us have blinders on, needing to be on the winning side and never admitting that "our" side can do no wrong.
I believe that at some point in our Republics modern history a shift has occurred. There is no "Left", there is no "Right", there is only the ruling elite. I cannot convince myself that the two parties are not in cahoots, it seems so blindingly obvious at this point. We have been hoodwinked into believing that voting for anyone other than one of the two anointed options is "throwing your vote away". Both parties profess this dogma.
Freedom is a difficult thing, it requires a measure of bravery to accept and respect the liberties of your fellow countrymen. It requires work to pull up one’s own boot straps to take care of themselves, essentially maintaining your own freedoms and liberties. Can we keep it? Or are we realizing Mr. Franklin’s fears?
I ask you who is throwing their vote away, those who perpetuate the current power structure that is standing on two broken legs, or those who would prescribe an attempt at something that might serve as the opening salvo in an effort to reclaim this once magnificent Republic. - synthpop, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6if you've been paying attention this is a recurring theme with the Bush admin - "we need another terrorist attack". they can feel their power slowly being drained away and they need another shot of TERRA
- Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Oh no, it happens in real life too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods - curtisdead, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7talk about terror...
- ne0shell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Buried for being a complete moron. I'm glad sticking up for your "team" is more important than anything else. When a Republican takes away your God given liberties you bend right over? ***** you traitor.
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Yeah, Gtitian, wtf?
1) Impeachment is a political proceeding. There does not NEED to be a legal crime. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is intentionally vague, and you can look at various historical records if you don't belive me.
2) Bush has most certainly committed unconstitutional offenses. Since the Constitution is the "supreme law of the land", violation is breaking the law. One of my favorite examples is "Jose Padilla". US Citizen. Fifth amendment. Nabbed from US soil and held for years without due process, the Administration claiming the whole time that they didn't "need no stinkin process". - letsgopens2006, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This is where i have a problem, I mean everything that was told to me in school about this country is a damn lie.
I don't think we have ever been the country that we are told we were so sometimes I think why fight for a lie? - letsgopens2006, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4See you in the detention camps......
- megafauna, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6The Clinton Administration (the one that gets into power next) wants the same power that the present Bush admin currently possesses. That is why they are not stopping him, if they do, they will have to be law abiding when they get into power, if they don't, they will have as much a free hand as Bush.
IDK what to do about it, the system is now so utterly corrupt. - Bhima, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4What the hell is this CentCom stuff? Are you referring to the United States Military Central Command and their ongoing effort to 'engage' bloggers who posts differ from the accepted party line? Or is this something else entirely?
- letsgopens2006, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Ahh some truth, i love it.
We have nobody to blame for the way our government acts but ourselves and only we can fix it. If thats at all possible. - batshitcrazy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5we're doomed
also animal farm is a good book - lazerus9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Hey!! Has anyone else noticed that no right wing fascist, neo-con, zionist wack-jobs have joined the fray in this thread? I guess it's getting harder to defend the indefensible!
- Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No offense, but I think that ship has left a while ago. If the populace hasn't seen what this Admin is about - then they are part of the problem as well.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Do you really believe that, or are you just typing to get paid?
- letsgopens2006, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That man stays in office and we better have a revolution.
- letsgopens2006, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Damn session expired.
We live under a government that is willing to kill us to further their own political agenda when the hell are we going to start giving a ***** about our future and the future of our kids. - rarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Republicans and Democrats are the same ***** thing now. When are people going to realize that?
- rarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You people that keep saying this ***** need to grow some brains. As if it weren't OBVIOUSLY CLEAR by now that we cannot rely on the accuracy of our government's intelligence (both literally and figuratively). You're all for the government spying on whoever they think they need to, until they screw up and implicate you into some incredibly heinous scheme that you have nothing to do with.
What the ***** is wrong with Americans today? Why do they love their government and not their freedom? Why did they forget to not trust their government? ***** hell, a century of prosperity sure turns people into complacent sacks of *****. - rarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2A lot of people actually voted for Bush in the 2004 election (at least that's what we're told). So yeah, they're definitely part of the problem.
- Bhima, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I disagree. I am US citizen and the US government does not have the right to record my calls without judicial oversight... NO MATTER WHERE I CALL FROM.
My host country would never do that... I guess that's why it's so much further up the democracy list we saw yesterday. - Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Which makes a make believe war so interesting doesn't it? Sorry folks, you lost your rights! Why? Sorry, can't tell you that for national security, and btw only a terrorist would care about a terrorists rights - YOU must be a terrorists....
Imagine the fun some monkey could have.. - damnasteroids, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2odds are, they'll be too busy being shot at in the desert.
- Lylepalooza, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I think it is more likely that America won't bomb Iran. Instead, I think it is trying to provoke it through the media (reports of it preparing to attack Iran). If I was an Iranian and heard these reports, I'd likely want to defend my country before such an attack. Then, logical progression would follow. America would be attacked, and then have its (albeit flimsy) excuse to go to war. President Bush would also (from my understanding) have the right to stay in office longer than his set term (correct me if I am wrong).
It just seems like the safest bet. What are your thoughts? - 2reflective, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_fema_concentration_camps_locations_and_executive_orders.html
- pandira, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The rulers want the public to wax and wane on public opinion, but conveniently leave out the Constitution and it's principles. It matters not what public opinion is, what matters is what does the Constitution say on any given subject. My understanding is that if an issue isn't addressed in the Constitution, it is left to the States and the People. See the tenth amendment. Sadly, we lost our Republic long ago. The powers that be would rather we live in a Democracy because a Democracy bends to the public will, while a Republic cannot (lawfully) bend because of the mandate...the law...the Constitution. To believe that the Constitution was meant to bend to the will of the people is to believe what never was. It was created in a fashion that it was supposed to protect the individual from the mob, and keep the Federal government within the confines of certain limitations. Your final statement, here, is right on. "Reclaim this once magnificent Republic". It has been lost. Most people have no idea what the Constitution says, much less what it means, and in order to find what is lost, a person must know what he had to begin with.
- Osjpr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3"Are they in cahoots?"
You answered your own question. That is exactly the situation. - Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Blix is just bitter.
I mean, he put all that work into determining whether a country has or doesn't have WMDs, and look what happened: His work was totally ignored and the US invaded regardless. What use is the best WMD detector in the world if nobody cares? - rarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If you're willing to run away from the country and not stand up and fight for your freedom, and possibly even die for it, then you're not much better than them. Are you really so selfish that you would throw away all the sacrifices that the men and women of this country had to make just to become free? You've leeched off their freedom, and now it's disappearing so you're just going to jump ship and leech off someone else's?
But since you did offer the option of getting a gun, I won't digg you down. - pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2there is oversight, that's what FISA is for. they can already listen in on calls, they just need a warrant. they can even get the warrant up to 3 days after they've listened to a call. that's an amazing amount of latitude there, to be able to do something and then ask for permission. 97% of the warrants are granted. they want to remove what little oversight there is.
- pandira, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You spoke too soon....and I'm curious, if you are JGALT, you would know what the perpetual motion motor is....can you tell us?
- pandira, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1A fine example. Do you not realize that we were never supposed to even be a Democracy?
- bushesbitch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1how long will this stay on the front page !
- thecoolestguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1but at least the watchers of the watchers can be from an institution that has safeguards in place to ensure impartiality (i.e. the judicial system) rather than partisan politicians that become corporate lobbyists or CEO's 2 years after they leave office.
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1For the culprits behind the Government figureheads who are their toadies, including Bush & Co., aim higher at the people who are owner/stockholders of the Western World Corporate private banking cartels, like The Federal Reserve System of Banks hiding within the US government. Traceable beyond The Bank of England, The Rothschild Bank, and other "national" banks belonging to BSI/Switzerland. Their sinister plans for our destruction and domination of the survivors are right on track now. The phony food shortages they engineered; the rising oil prices; the planned attack on Iran to trigger World War III; all of it is their doing. The politicians and officials are just their puppets, whom they let get a little slice of the pie.
- benrey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well the thing is that no matter how we vote 95 percent (or more) of the time either a democrat or a republican is going to be in office so in my opinion its always either or. Until we elect more independents corporate america is going to target these parties. How many politicians in office didn't get some sort of contribution to their campaign even if they were already well off? who wants to spend their own money? I don't, why wouldn't' the rich? Our democracy has been run into the ground by corporations and banks.
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