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Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US
afp.google.com — "We are no longer citizens of the United States of America" - Native American state of 72,000 people declares independence from the US - 'claim legal under treaties with Government'. The new country would issue its own passports and driving licenses, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship
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- jquipp, on 12/20/2007, -69/+238Didn't family Guy try this once?
- dumpyhumpy, on 12/20/2007, -40/+49Thats so inappropriate to joke about such a sad chronic abuse of humanity.
..And I think you're referring to Petoria.- thcobbs, on 12/20/2007, -9/+33Just hope they don't try to annex a pool....
- pauldy, on 12/20/2007, -13/+5Said the man with the fragile eggshell skin.
- fyngyrz, on 12/20/2007, -1/+27Humor is rarely inappropriate; it eases the pain without pretending to solve anything. Political correctness, however, is almost always inappropriate, almost always masks the real issues underneath ***** issues, and typically wastes everyone's time.
- ObeseSnake, on 12/20/2007, -6/+6Well sir you haven't spent too much time here at Digg now have you?
- chaostheoryd, on 12/22/2007, -0/+1America will not allow an independent nation to be formed within our borders.
- glasnostic, on 12/20/2007, -8/+21so did Mr Show.
- treesun, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3The Mr. Show one is perhaps the best 24 min ever aired on the tele.
- thatcrazycommie, on 12/20/2007, -0/+5Mr. Show was totally the first thing I thought of, beat Family Guy to the punch by about ten years.
- unicornography, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2com tata mi miata
- therightclique, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1newfreeland...... a friendly robit counted it up.
- Nitesmoke, on 12/21/2007, -2/+9Why are Americans constantly to blame for everything, We didn't invent the concept of taking land. Every single nation on Earth was once inhabited by indiginous people. Look at how many peoples the British, the Spainish, and French almost wiped out. it may be a bad trade-off, but we treat Native-Americans pretty good compared to other indiginous peoples. The Aztecs and Mayans were completey wiped out, no reservations for them. Hell the entire Mexican race is a combination of the Spainish canquistadors and Native Mexicans. Hell, look at the Phillipines. The people are a hybrid of Spainish/Asian thats why they all have names like "Sanchez Namaruto" or "Yoshi Gonzalez," I'm not saying that what we did to them was right, be for the time it was completely normal. I just find it silly that Americans are the only ones who get beat up for doing the same thing the rest of civilization did. All land on Earth was acquired by 2 means: buying it or conquering it. The natives didn't use money, so guess what? Stop wallowing in "white guilt" It was done by our ancestors, we are not guilty, and now we bend over backwards to help them. Why is it Ok to be proud of your ancestry unless you're a white American. If you look in the art section of "lowrider" magazine half the pics say "Brown Pride." Now what would happen if the art section of "Truckin," had "White Pride" art. Its Ok to let the sins of our fathers go, we didn't do it, stop putting yourself down for what you didn't do.
- Rabbittt, on 12/21/2007, -3/+1It's about respect for life and human beings.. It's about doing the right thing: Justice.
- Nitesmoke, on 12/21/2007, -2/+9Why are Americans constantly to blame for everything, We didn't invent the concept of taking land. Every single nation on Earth was once inhabited by indiginous people. Look at how many peoples the British, the Spainish, and French almost wiped out. it may be a bad trade-off, but we treat Native-Americans pretty good compared to other indiginous peoples. The Aztecs and Mayans were completey wiped out, no reservations for them. Hell the entire Mexican race is a combination of the Spainish canquistadors and Native Mexicans. Hell, look at the Phillipines. The people are a hybrid of Spainish/Asian thats why they all have names like "Sanchez Namaruto" or "Yoshi Gonzalez," I'm not saying that what we did to them was right, be for the time it was completely normal. I just find it silly that Americans are the only ones who get beat up for doing the same thing the rest of civilization did. All land on Earth was acquired by 2 means: buying it or conquering it. The natives didn't use money, so guess what? Stop wallowing in "white guilt" It was done by our ancestors, we are not guilty, and now we bend over backwards to help them. Why is it Ok to be proud of your ancestry unless you're a white American. If you look in the art section of "lowrider" magazine half the pics say "Brown Pride." Now what would happen if the art section of "Truckin," had "White Pride" art. Its Ok to let the sins of our fathers go, we didn't do it, stop putting yourself down for what you didn't do.
- vofuse, on 12/20/2007, -0/+17Simpsons didn't do it?
- Thuktun, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4It'll probably end up the same way, sadly.
- OwdenBowden, on 12/20/2007, -5/+3This was tried with the 5 Nations as well with other in the 1800's but it was not allowed because there can be no other sovereign nation withing the boarders of the United States of America. I understand why they are doing it but I do not understand why they would choses now (seeing as they do make a lot of money in relation to the Reservation system and gaming).
- Waiting2awake, on 12/21/2007, -2/+4Maybe they don't value life by monetary means? Maybe they have a few more things in store? It sounds like they have been planning this for a bit.
- TxAggie08, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Lol. The Indians lost that war a long, long time ago. Its about as likely as the Confederacy trying to come back.
- chaostheoryd, on 12/22/2007, -0/+1yup, wont happen :P
- Waiting2awake, on 12/21/2007, -2/+4Maybe they don't value life by monetary means? Maybe they have a few more things in store? It sounds like they have been planning this for a bit.
- LukasSmith, on 12/20/2007, -26/+11Well we can all laugh about this. Some nutjob who IS NOT the leader of the tribe claims independence without any support from his tribe. Basically he is wasting his time. why would the indians want to give up treaties that give them free education and healthcare. The fact that they only live to 44 etc is thier own FAULT. Ha. Imagine if we cut off thier alcohol supply. They would surrender in 1 week. Besides a nation is only as real as its ability to repel invaders. European countries borders have changed countless times in the last hundred years mainly because the owner couldnt protect it. Thats why its important we get a grip on our southern border. The few hundred thousand people who flood across that border almost freely threaten our sovreignty. Some parts of the US border area are so heavily populated with spanish speaking peoples illegal and otherwise that if Mexico were ever to become a world power stronger then the US(fat chance), those people would defect with the land to mexico. Unchecked illegal immigration could create a whole southwest similar to los angeles with little allegiance to the USA. Didnt take Texas long to defect from Mexico. We have been too soft. I think we need to send a clear message of dominance to Mexico and latin America. I think a few land mine fields and machine gun turrets would do it. By making a few examples we could pretty much end illigal immigration and confirm our countries right to exist.
- UnoriginalMind, on 12/20/2007, -5/+11Sick bastard. Killing them? ***** you.
- Schneckehaus, on 12/21/2007, -3/+4I truly and honestly hope you get scalped in the next Indian-American War.
- mrgreenjeans, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1You need a hug.
- trevah, on 12/21/2007, -4/+3I don't really think our countries right to exist is being questioned. Our tax-sponsored bombs and bullets worldwide does that well enough... A little too well.
- n0t0kayipr0mis3, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Petoria will rise again :D
- jaymzdean, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3FREEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!
- dumpyhumpy, on 12/20/2007, -40/+49Thats so inappropriate to joke about such a sad chronic abuse of humanity.
- zeroherok, on 12/20/2007, -112/+574GOOD! The United States has been mistreating the Native Americans for a very long time now and it's about time that Native people are asserting their sovereign rights to better their situation. Trusting the United States has been disastrous for Native people. Viva la Revolución!
- kgmurray, on 12/20/2007, -109/+30I hope this means that they will send back the bi-weekly cheques as well. Is there any way we can get our Canadian indians to do the same thing!!!
We will see very soon how serious they are, as soon as they cash next weeks mother day cheque.- felchdonkey, on 12/20/2007, -30/+134Yeah, those horrible Native Americans, getting a poverty-level welfare check for nothing, and all they had to do was endure systematic genocide and the theft of their entire nation.
I'm sure you'd trade places with them in a minute, huh?- kgmurray, on 12/20/2007, -83/+41I wouldn't trade places with a lot of groups. The Japanese internees, the Ukrainian internees, and the the thousand other groups that were treated poorly. But at some point, you pick yourself up, get off your ass, and get a job!
Theft of a nation?? What "nation" are you referring to?? Small groups of nomadic tribes sustaining their own existence and fighting with the neighbouring tribe. The myth of a large nation is finished.- feebie, on 12/20/2007, -8/+13You're an ass. Read up on some ***** history.
- xsuite, on 12/20/2007, -5/+5Read "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn.
- siphre, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2Many of the First Nations of North American were not nomadic. They had their own systems of government, economies and religion within an established boundary. They met every prerequisite of self-determined nation of people. Look at the Algonquinm, Cree, Cherokee, Inuit, Nuu-chah-nulth, etc.
Even if you stand by your argument that First Nations were nomadic. Does that justify the Nazi-like genocide of these people?
- Plato, on 12/20/2007, -79/+24lol, poor KGMurray.. Only on digg (and no where else on Earth) can you post "Get off your ass and get a job.." and be dugg down for it.
the leftist mental illness here is amazing. Pathetic entitlement mentality.- GreyICE, on 12/20/2007, -31/+17Well yeah. Because no other website has a "Digg Down" feature. Its pretty ***** safe to say that this is the only website where you can get dugg up or down. Dumbass *****.
- KirbyMeister, on 12/20/2007, -7/+23Well I'm going to digg you down right now. Plus there are other synonyms for dugg down / bury... Voted down, voted 0, blammed, saged, etc.
P.S. Ron Paul is a Republican, so Digg has no Leftist bias :D - nihilite, on 12/20/2007, -3/+15I think you are missing the real tragedy here. IMHO the saddest thing about this is that the noble instinct to return to their heritage, it sounds like they want to live as a primitive culture.
FTA: "The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means."
I don't know how many people have been to these reservations, but the ones i've seen look more like run down trailer parks and it's not pretty. any change would be a good one, but hopefully they will join the modern world and engage with the 21st century instead of withdrawing from it. - nihilite, on 12/20/2007, -3/+2whoops - meant to say "despite the noble instinct"
- Pherdnut, on 12/20/2007, -2/+8No, I get the impression a sizable portion of the GOP crowd here isn't impressed with ignorant drivel either. As for, "get a job you stupid slackers," I rarely see anybody say this in public.
- BlackBob, on 12/20/2007, -3/+15I digg these comments down because the person making them always has an "I'm better than you" attitude, and usually don't know what they're talking about.
- TheLoneHoot, on 12/20/2007, -6/+8Entitlement is ***** right, bitch! Having your land stolen from you, having your people exterminated, your culture forcibly supressed, and being marginalized to the worst levels of the population's poor, ENTITLES you to some compensation. If the government came and took your house and land and said, "We're going to do what ever with want with it, ***** off.", you'd feel you would be entitled to something from them too. Now imagine that coupled with having your family murdered and you forced to live in a poverty ridden neighborhood. Yeah, ***** entitled is right, dick.
- dshPls, on 12/20/2007, -19/+51I'm not trying to excuse our treatment of Native Americans, but I say the same thing about them as I do to the NAACP when they want me to apologize for how my ancestors treated theirs. I'm truly not sorry.
- thcobbs, on 12/20/2007, -11/+32The Native Americans in my area are doing quite well for themselves.... Casinos are a major money-maker.
- jcm267, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4Are you from Connecticut???? One of the tribes here, the very tribe that opened the floodgates for Indian gaming, isn't even comprised of real Indians! A corrupt Senator that diggers seem to love (Chris Dodd) was instrumental in the rise of the Mashantucket Pequots.
http://www.amazon.com/Without-Reservation-Controve ...
- jcm267, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4Are you from Connecticut???? One of the tribes here, the very tribe that opened the floodgates for Indian gaming, isn't even comprised of real Indians! A corrupt Senator that diggers seem to love (Chris Dodd) was instrumental in the rise of the Mashantucket Pequots.
- card51short, on 12/20/2007, -19/+14"I'm not trying to excuse our treatment of Native Americans, but I say the same thing about them as I do to the NAACP when they want me to apologize for how my ancestors treated theirs. I'm truly not sorry."
Really? It's so unlike you to be so hateful.
How can you not be sorry? I'm not saying you owe anyone anything because you didn't do anything....don't feel guilty...but sorry? You're not sorry it happened?- theaceoffire, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3If it hadn't happened, then we wouldn't exist.
I am glad to exist. - metric7, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4How can you feel guilty for something you never did? Paleface act strange sometimes
- gh0st3000, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Ok. I'm sorry my great, great, great, great, great grandfather, whom I don't even know the name of, took their land and committed genocide against their people. Is that better?
- theaceoffire, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3If it hadn't happened, then we wouldn't exist.
- venom8599, on 12/20/2007, -4/+9@card51short
I'm not sorry either. If not for those things, I probably wouldn't exist. I know they were terrible things, but they happened, and I had no say or control over it. And I'm not going to feel sorry for something that wasn't my fault and which without I probably wouldn't exist.- niczar, on 12/20/2007, -4/+3Do you feel sorry about the holocaust? Serious question. Not sorry as in, "sorry it's my fault", but "I feel sorry for your pain even though I couldn't anything about it"? In other words, are you a fsckin' sociopath or a decent human being?
- Chompy, on 12/20/2007, -4/+9@card51short
How could he be sorry? *He* didn't commit those atrocities.- niczar, on 12/20/2007, -7/+6Chompy: hey buddy, what's up?
Buddy: Well, my parent's car crashed, they and my baby brother died this morning.
Chompy: Well, I'm NOT sorry. You see, I didn't commit this accident, and I'm a psychopath, so tough *****.
- niczar, on 12/20/2007, -7/+6Chompy: hey buddy, what's up?
- archiesteel, on 12/20/2007, -5/+6You may not be responsible for the atrocities, that doesn't mean you can't support their *current* demands of reparation.
- dshPls, on 12/20/2007, -1/+8Reparation should be issued to my ancestors then, oh crap... they're all dead.
- jcm267, on 12/20/2007, -2/+7My ancestors are Irish and Polish. I think I deserve reparations. The Americans can pay me for my Irish ancestors and the German government can pay me for killing my Polish relatives. And this is just scratching the surface....
- Dibou, on 12/21/2007, -3/+2Aren't welfare checks for decades reparations?
- bryceman111, on 12/20/2007, -3/+6Umm...we did nothing to the currently living Native Americans. All of that stuff happened to their ancestors... They are getting benefits for nothing. Let the past be the past. If I killed you grandfather and stole his land, should the government then give you money?
- gh0st3000, on 12/21/2007, -1/+0If the government killed your grandfather and stole his land, should the government then give you money? ...Probably.
- kgmurray, on 12/20/2007, -83/+41I wouldn't trade places with a lot of groups. The Japanese internees, the Ukrainian internees, and the the thousand other groups that were treated poorly. But at some point, you pick yourself up, get off your ass, and get a job!
- yikiad, on 12/20/2007, -18/+8you heartless *****. why don't you do everyone a favor and learn a little something before you post you ignorant comments.
- RedNeckerson, on 12/20/2007, -16/+25I need money. Can you send me some or are you going to be heartless?
- BassCadet, on 12/20/2007, -9/+7Your avatar icon is bound to get you lots of sympathy in here. LOL. I dugg you up anyway.
- Wartyboskfapped, on 12/20/2007, -6/+3You need brain cells more.
- CATSCEO, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2Why don't you get a job you dumb redneck.
- RedNeckerson, on 12/20/2007, -16/+25I need money. Can you send me some or are you going to be heartless?
- GhengisKhan, on 12/20/2007, -16/+10I agree with kgmurray. Indian tribes/casinos need the white man's money to sustain themselves. If they want to become truly sovereign they'll need to create industry and establish a monetary system. Fat chance.
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -5/+10Yeah, like that's never happened before... oh, wait.
- marm0lade, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3Yea, it happened hundreds of years ago on land that was undeveloped and only settled by the Indians, which represented a relatively very small number. Any 3rd world country that tries to create industry and its own monetary system today relies on the help of other developed countries.
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -5/+10Yeah, like that's never happened before... oh, wait.
- felchdonkey, on 12/20/2007, -30/+134Yeah, those horrible Native Americans, getting a poverty-level welfare check for nothing, and all they had to do was endure systematic genocide and the theft of their entire nation.
- ThomasPaine23, on 12/20/2007, -4/+14I'm sure they will, and I'm sure this means that instead of the BIA collecting royalties for them (and losing umpteen billions of dollars somewhere in the system) they will charge market rates and collect it themselves.....
- Nudar, on 12/20/2007, -26/+61Yeah allowing them all those casino monopolies has been disastrous to the Indians.
- JMitch42, on 12/20/2007, -2/+18Not every Native American owns a casino...
- marm0lade, on 12/20/2007, -7/+3No they don't, but when an Indian gets a casino. He only hires other indians. For the restaurant, cleaning, poker tables, security, etc....all Indians. Why? Since they are building these casinos on land given to them by the county or state, they do not have to follow the same laws the rest of us do. Its a double standard, and its BS.
- AntonLee, on 12/20/2007, -0/+10who the ___ are you to ALLOW anyone else to do anything? It's a free bleepin world buddy, and if they want prostitution, pot, gambling, whatever, they should be damn well allowed to.
- marm0lade, on 12/20/2007, -2/+1He used bad wording on that comment. The Indians are allowed to do as they please. But in some areas, like where I live (WNY), the citizens didn't want a casino and it was voted down numerous times. The greedy, scumbag politicians, deciding they can do whatever they want, regardless of what the people say, decided to give the indians their own "reservation" if you will on the exact area they want to casino. The indians get the land, build the casino. The politicians get thier casino which they think will bring more jobs and people to the city (which is hasen't) The indians do not get taxed one cent on any of the restaurants or shops they also built on that property. So the politicians get to look good for "helping" the community, the indians get filthy rich, and the community deteriorates.
The lesson: not all the indians have it as bad as you think.
- marm0lade, on 12/20/2007, -2/+1He used bad wording on that comment. The Indians are allowed to do as they please. But in some areas, like where I live (WNY), the citizens didn't want a casino and it was voted down numerous times. The greedy, scumbag politicians, deciding they can do whatever they want, regardless of what the people say, decided to give the indians their own "reservation" if you will on the exact area they want to casino. The indians get the land, build the casino. The politicians get thier casino which they think will bring more jobs and people to the city (which is hasen't) The indians do not get taxed one cent on any of the restaurants or shops they also built on that property. So the politicians get to look good for "helping" the community, the indians get filthy rich, and the community deteriorates.
- bryceman111, on 12/20/2007, -5/+3What pisses me off, is that only Indians can have casinos. That is SO racist. I thought we were trying to move away from that? It is reverse racism.
- gh0st3000, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1The reason they have casinos is because in most places, gambling is illegal and the only way to get a casino built is to deal with the indians.
- bxblox, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2if its built on their reservation they get a piece of the action...
- hollowex, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1not always true...
- gh0st3000, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0If they weren't getting a piece, they wouldn't agree to it. They don't have to let just anyone build a casino on their reservation.
- JMitch42, on 12/20/2007, -2/+18Not every Native American owns a casino...
- Aroundtown27, on 12/20/2007, -9/+22Being from Canada. I know what a disaster really is for the natives.... From what I understand the US has it pretty good with their native population.
- reedatschool, on 12/20/2007, -18/+17If you call planned genocide good then yes, the United States has done an excellent job in killing off the American Indians
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -3/+13Umm... have we kept that up recently? There are Natives with enough business sense, real estate prowess, and understanding of US law that they should be able to fend for themselves in regards to the continuing seizure of their lands, if it is still happening. At this point, they can negotiate a price that's worth the land that they might give up. No more beads and bottles of wine, they can get hundreds of millions for their land. They don't want to do that, then that's fine.
However, if they stay on a reservation with the intention of staying there forever, then yeah, it's going to suck, suicide rates will go up, and alcoholism will rise. Conditions of those places are like flat projects with less gang warfare, right? If their affluent members want to improve them, then they can funnel money into industry in the area, provide jobs to their brothers, and slowly build up to the point where it's like the suburbs.
Or am I wrong in thinking that they can work themselves out of the hole we dug for them? Sure, they will and they do hate me for being white, but I didn't do it, I wasn't born until 1987 and spent no time on the battlefield in the mid-1800s, killing Blackhawks and Cherokee and Navajo, moving them into the places where they are now. Which, incidentally, they are allowed to leave. - betterth, on 12/20/2007, -3/+5To approach your question from a historical level (as I can't tell if you're referring to the USA now, or the USA of centuries ago)
Planned genocide? You give our ancestors far too much credit. Over 95% of native populations were killed off by diseases that Europeans had long since developed immunity for but still brought with them unintentionally. The change of biological/cultural material from the "old" world to the "new" was referred to as the "Columbian exchange". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbian_Exchange
As germ theory was still three to four centuries away, I seriously doubt you could call the deaths "intentional". The settlers believed that god himself was killing natives to make way for the "obviously" superior Europeans. You can find evidence here " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of ... ".
To call it intentional is silly, though. - card51short, on 12/20/2007, -2/+7Ahhh so God put the smallpox in the blankets...thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Denial.
- TheMidnight, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Rub the SARS deep into the blankets...now we have shock and awe.
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -3/+13Umm... have we kept that up recently? There are Natives with enough business sense, real estate prowess, and understanding of US law that they should be able to fend for themselves in regards to the continuing seizure of their lands, if it is still happening. At this point, they can negotiate a price that's worth the land that they might give up. No more beads and bottles of wine, they can get hundreds of millions for their land. They don't want to do that, then that's fine.
- GhostFreeman, on 12/20/2007, -4/+2Yeah, we only give them tainted blankets every 200 years now. That's called progress.
- IEatHamburgers, on 12/20/2007, -2/+3That depends where the tribe is. I belong to a tribe that's getting loads of money off you Canadians coming over to gamble. But many, if not most, tribes in the States really have no good way of earning a living - what good is a casino if your reservation is a hundred or more miles away from the nearest source of customers? And government handouts can only do so much.
- leahcim, on 12/20/2007, -1/+7How did the native Americans survive 200 years ago?
Do you want to be a citizen of the US with all the rights and responsibilities there of or have a reservation and do what your ancestors did?- IEatHamburgers, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4My tribe got lucky - they got put on a reservation, but the reservation was in the same place they'd been living forever, and they got to do all the hunting and fishing they wanted, so little actually changed. Nobody seemed to want to live in northern Michigan at the time - 12 feet of snowfall per year, average - and it seemed quite a worthless place, unless you were fishing or hunting. So the government didn't mind keeping its treaties for once, and the tribes still get much more relaxed hunting and fishing privileges. The tribe didn't quite get fleeced by America.
The same doesn't go for pretty much all the other tribes, though, and that's the tragedy. - elhaf, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2Yes, and the Hopi are still on their ancestral homelands, because the world will end if they are forced from it. Of course Bush is hastening that day...
- IEatHamburgers, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4My tribe got lucky - they got put on a reservation, but the reservation was in the same place they'd been living forever, and they got to do all the hunting and fishing they wanted, so little actually changed. Nobody seemed to want to live in northern Michigan at the time - 12 feet of snowfall per year, average - and it seemed quite a worthless place, unless you were fishing or hunting. So the government didn't mind keeping its treaties for once, and the tribes still get much more relaxed hunting and fishing privileges. The tribe didn't quite get fleeced by America.
- leahcim, on 12/20/2007, -1/+7How did the native Americans survive 200 years ago?
- skyshock1, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1How so?
- ChileanGoD, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1On the bright side.... they are one hell of a cigarette providers :).
- reedatschool, on 12/20/2007, -18/+17If you call planned genocide good then yes, the United States has done an excellent job in killing off the American Indians
- BoneheadFarker, on 12/20/2007, -8/+148It's rather ironic that you call on Indians to join the revolution using a Spanish phrase...
- BigW, on 12/20/2007, -2/+15Not just rather, but unbelievably ironic!!
- TheHydrogens, on 12/20/2007, -25/+2LEARN WHAT IRONY IS FOR *****'S SAKE.
- BoneheadFarker, on 12/20/2007, -0/+33An example of irony is when you call for Indians to join an uprising in the language of a people that brutally supressed Indians. I know what irony is, and I used it correctly. I'd suggest that you brush up on the definition of irony. And please...stop yelling...
- lvflashguru, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2While you are there, you might want to look up pwnt as well.
- Armando57, on 12/20/2007, -8/+2Hardly ironic, because we'll be next. It's time to reclaim the land that was stolen from us.
- AntonLee, on 12/20/2007, -9/+0I'm white, and I agree, I never signed into this constitution. . .and even if I did, the politicians use it for toilet paper anyways. I'm a free man in a free nation. Come try and stop me. lol
- metric7, on 12/21/2007, -0/+5You retards can't even sort out your own country
- BassCadet, on 12/20/2007, -7/+50I completely support the Lakota tribe's wishes to separate. The spirit of the treaties we've signed with them should allow them to do this. But with this independence must come complete independence...no more financial ties to the US federal government. Their borders will be secured by our tax dollars, that's about as much assistance they should receive from us.
It will be interesting if they will have their own airspace. Would the US allow someone like Chavez to come fly to Wyoming to meet with the Lakota chiefs?- BigW, on 12/20/2007, -1/+13Probably not, he'd have to get to Wyoming without flying over US airspace, and thats kind hard.
And again Means is not a representative of the Lakota, he just is one. What he's doing is akin to Al Gore going around saying the U.S. is going to abide by the Kyoto treaty just because he says so. - mclumber1, on 12/20/2007, -0/+8Chavez is free to fly to America, so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to fly Lacota.
- notthemama, on 12/20/2007, -7/+5Well, with some existing states already talking about leaving the union, this might not be a problem. The US is too big really, and incredibly top-heavy with government. Breaking into smaller pieces might be just what we need.
- xsuite, on 12/20/2007, -4/+6We should bring back the articles of confederation.
- LucianSolaris, on 12/20/2007, -3/+2@xsuite: I agree
(wrong reply link) - PhantomBantam, on 12/20/2007, -2/+7Ah yes, the articles of confederation. You can say you prefer it to the constitution, and almost every American will tell you what they've been told in school: "But the federal government was too weak!"
To which I reply:
That's the point. - lacronicus, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3the point is that the federal government would be so weak, it would eventually cease to exist. Our size has greatly benefited us in the past, due to our ability to acquire resources from across the country and distribute them accordingly. The inability to do that would leave us very vulnerable.
Not to mention the fact that by eliminating the federal government, you require each state to manage itself completely, leaving you no better off than before, but with that many more countries to compete with in the world economy. You're going to give your rights to someone, and I'd rather the person I give them to be powerful enough to protect them. I may not like my government much, but I'd take a separated state and federal system over a state only system any day.- xsuite, on 12/24/2007, -0/+1Hmm good point. Perhaps the Jeffersonian Democracy (as opposed to the surrent style which is Hamiltonian) would be better.
- fuzzmeister, on 12/20/2007, -0/+8Chavez can already come to New York to go to the UN, so why not Wyoming?
- djphatjive, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1I just want to know if I need a passport to drive through there land on my way to a strip club on the other side.
- BigW, on 12/20/2007, -1/+13Probably not, he'd have to get to Wyoming without flying over US airspace, and thats kind hard.
- stfucupcake, on 12/20/2007, -14/+8lol. Let their own tribe start funding free the college education and free health care for their own that the US government now foots the bill for..
- notthemama, on 12/20/2007, -4/+6Yeah, their free health care that the US provides which gives them a 44 year life span?
- nimbleprune, on 12/20/2007, -4/+8you can only keep someone alive so long if they are not willing to help themselves...no matter how good your health care is
- SoulRebel23, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3I know people who have worked at health centers on reservations, and even on wealthier reservations, they are underfunded, and have barely any resources to devote to prevention (as opposed to only treating people who are already sick.) The low life expectancy of Native Americans has deep roots (obesity, depression, poverty, which are all related to each other) but the healthcare provided to them certainly doesn't help much.
- Misesean, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Unfortunately, they probably will try to go the socialist route (Russell Means is a Libertarian, but not the rest of his group...)
- notthemama, on 12/20/2007, -4/+6Yeah, their free health care that the US provides which gives them a 44 year life span?
- colonelbuckshot, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4The Indians have their own culture, ethnic heritage, history. These things are the raison-d'etre of nationhood.
I wonder how many people would apply the same standard to the 'racist' White Boer Nationalists in South Africa. - insomniac8400, on 12/20/2007, -29/+5You joking? They are in the middle of our country, I hope we send in the army and kill all of them. Or if you prefer the economic route. Tax all imports and exports crossing US soil by 90% and deny travel to all of this "country's" citizens. They will starve to death. I still don't understand why we allow this reservation crap to continue. There is no reason for it.
- hextic, on 12/20/2007, -4/+8Because we quite simply don't have the right or reason to usurp their land. Period. Legally, any U.S. presence in Lakota land is an occupying force. Remind you of anything? The Palestinians at least fight tooth and nail for what's theirs.
- saunders45, on 12/20/2007, -3/+4By suicide bombing school busses...
- felchdonkey, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3I dugg you up for the first part of your comment, should have read the rest.
Why do you feel the need to inject your opinion about a conflict on the other side of the globe, when we're talking about the Lakota? The Native Americans were the victims of attempted genocide. So were the Jews. The only time the Palestinians were involved in genocide was when they were helping support it during WWII.
Look up Grand Mufti Al-Hussaini, leader of the Palestinians during those years, and his involvement with the Nazis. - source1984, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1felch.. You're right, its quite different. If the zionists could get away with genocide, they would. But now a days, thats hard to do. So they oppress, occupy, humiliate the Palestinians on ILLEGALLY held land. Find out what its like to have a gun purposefully shoved in your face for no reason other than intimidation when being asked for "I.D. PLEASE??". Find out what its like to have your economy devastated because what a 10 minute walk takes 1 hour.
Yes, there are pictures of the mufti of jerusalem meeting with Hitler. Do you honestly think he knew of the concentration camps?? Hitler let VERY FEW people know about it. He kept that stuff top secret. He probably met with the mufti because they had a shared enemy -- BRITAIN. Yes, in times of war, that happens -- you know, the enemy's enemy is my friend (what we did with saddam vs. iran). He probably thought he was siding with the winning side -- foolish on his part.
Anyway, both sides commit violence against civilians, with Israel being the military superpower who is the aggressor. Don't forget they illegally expanded on land that was never theirs before you talk about Arab armies invading Israel.- felchdonkey, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Actually, he didn't just know of the camps, he visited them in person. He actively supported the genocide, and even directed the Germans to send several thousand Jewish children to the gas chambers because he discovered they were going to be sent, in a rare case of Nazi mercy, to Palestine.
I'd be happy to send you a shout with sources and evidence.
- felchdonkey, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Actually, he didn't just know of the camps, he visited them in person. He actively supported the genocide, and even directed the Germans to send several thousand Jewish children to the gas chambers because he discovered they were going to be sent, in a rare case of Nazi mercy, to Palestine.
- hextic, on 12/20/2007, -4/+8Because we quite simply don't have the right or reason to usurp their land. Period. Legally, any U.S. presence in Lakota land is an occupying force. Remind you of anything? The Palestinians at least fight tooth and nail for what's theirs.
- saunders45, on 12/20/2007, -10/+3I lost respect for the "downtrodden" indians when the Seminoles of Florida flew into Tampa on 4 Gulfstream jets, and then had a 1.25 million dollar Sikorsky helicopter flown up from Miami to fly them 1 MILE to the Hard Rock casino.
- notthemama, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5Yes, because one tribe of indians is exactly the same as every other tribe of indians.
- zaibatsu, on 12/20/2007, -2/+5What Indians can't make money?
- saunders45, on 12/20/2007, -3/+1There is a difference between making money, and wasting it on crap. Stop spending it on ***** crap, and help your people.
- TheLoneHoot, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1Do you know that it was them that paid for that? Someone else may have flown them in ya know.
- SoulRebel23, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2I'm tired of all these racist asshats who don't understand that "Native American" is not a group of people, but a blanket term that is used to describe members of a large number of different cultures, all with their own way of life and traditions. Is it the Seminoles who are seceding? No. Then why the hell are you bringing that up?
- postalblowfish7, on 12/20/2007, -15/+7"Native Americans" is ***** insulting. They didn't call this place America...
- RedNeckerson, on 12/20/2007, -2/+10And how about those of us of other races who are native to America? My family has been on this continent for 400 years.
*****. How long does it take to get accepted in this neighborhood?- felchdonkey, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1My ancestors have lived on pretty much every continent there is over the last 400 years, except Antarctica and Australia. Does that make me a native Earthling? That sounds way cooler than just being a native American.
- brainster31, on 12/20/2007, -0/+10then what the ***** should we say?
- bdlang, on 12/20/2007, -2/+6"indigenous people" - which really doesn't fit either since we know tribes traveled across the land bridge to get here.
- shoerob, on 12/20/2007, -1/+12Earthlings.
- postalblowfish7, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1how about by their ***** tribe - that's how they designated themselves.
- jdaniel284, on 12/20/2007, -2/+1They didn't speak English. They didn't call anything any names in English. Just translate it to whatever they called it. Some people are just looking to be insulted.
- hollowex, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Most nations called themselves the people.
- RedNeckerson, on 12/20/2007, -2/+10And how about those of us of other races who are native to America? My family has been on this continent for 400 years.
- wireframework, on 12/20/2007, -1/+6Oh man. I get the feeling a whole lot of people are going to get "disappeared" in the coming months.
- Samsong, on 12/20/2007, -10/+5People like you make me want to commit genocide.
- Mesmorize, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Seconded.
- scottdudeman, on 12/21/2007, -1/+0thirds!
- lukas88, on 12/20/2007, -5/+16Actually we have been bending over backwards for them for decades now. There is only so much that people can do to make up for the mistakes their grandfathers made.
Hands down, the native american peoples have more economic opportunity than anyone other group in this country. A guaranteed free college education is nothing to sneeze at. Why so many live in squalor has a lot to do with choices they have made, not how they have been treated.
I also like how the united states is the only country that gets blamed for a pattern of settlement that has been happening ever since the neolithic era. Agricultural societies have been "taking" land from hunter/gatherer societies ever since the first people came out of the forests and decided to build a house and grow food. It is really hard to respect borders when there are none. Hell yes, the US government made some horrible decisions in how they treated native americans, but even if they hadn't, the map of the US would look the very same right now as it does today. To think anything different just shows how out of touch with history/reality you are.- TheLoneHoot, on 12/20/2007, -6/+2"Hands down, the native american peoples have more economic opportunity than anyone other group in this country."
Yes, because wealthy white folk have had it so rough over the years by comparison, what with the stealing of the Indians' land and exploiting every other class of people.
"Why so many live in squalor has a lot to do with choices they have made, not how they have been treated."
Yes, because so many high school kids that want to go to college or get jobs have chosen instead to live in squalor.
"I also like how the united states is the only country that gets blamed for a pattern of settlement that has been happening ever since the neolithic era."
Yes, because if everybody else has been doing it to other people for years, it's okay for us to have done it too.- CabesMojo, on 12/21/2007, -1/+4Good lord your hilariously moronic. OH NOES! NOT THE WHITE MAN WATCH OUT!
You realize they can get their education for free right? Hell my mom part blackfoot, she got college costs waved for her and was able to go to school coming from a family of 7 kids.
You know we are the only country that still beats itself up over it. ***** the Spanish more or less completely whiped out the Mayans and took their land. I really doubt they are over there in Spain guilt tripping over it. As far as hostile take overs go, they got out pretty well.- CabesMojo, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Oh alright I'm a dumbass because I have family who did it, and because everyone Native American I know has got their education for free. Really stupid of me. Of course there are basics standards to be met but they are minimal.
- metric7, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1End yourself
- CabesMojo, on 12/21/2007, -1/+4Good lord your hilariously moronic. OH NOES! NOT THE WHITE MAN WATCH OUT!
- MoosaofND, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1With average male life expectancy 44 years, and teen suicide 150% above the national average (FTA), that's really a group that's got it made, huh?
I honestly don't know where the free college myth comes from, but I can tell you secondhand from my (Native American) friend, getting deployed to Afghanistan by the army to pay off her student loans, that it is a load of BS. She did get about 1/10th our yearly tuition in scholarships from her tribe, which our school automatically deducted from the need-based aid they were providing. Gee, that helps a lot.
- TheLoneHoot, on 12/20/2007, -6/+2"Hands down, the native american peoples have more economic opportunity than anyone other group in this country."
- shellacked, on 12/20/2007, -0/+16BREAKING: Russel Means, Lakota Chief, is declared a terrorist and shipped to Guantanamo Bay for interrogation.
- superkendall, on 12/20/2007, -2/+5I wish the best of luck to them, but the United States government is not forcing people on reservations to drink themselves and the community to death.
I don't know it what way withdrawing from the US will help them as a people, but hopefully they will find a good path. It'll be interesting to see who joins them and what the ramifications of this are.- CabesMojo, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3Well if they do it, it will mean a huge financial loss for them, tribes are hugely supported by the US goverment.
- snapcase, on 12/21/2007, -2/+11I agree, good for them. Now they will only have themselves to blame for their living conditions. One thing most people don't realize about some of these Indian reservations is how much of their conditions they bring upon themselves as it is. Go head on out to Pine Ridge, South Dakota and see what I mean. See how most of the money the Government does give them gets wasted. One thing of particular note is the medical care. They only have a clinic on the reservation, so when someone needs to get to a doctor they go to the clinic. The problem is that for everything they go to the clinic for they get sent to the hospital. And yeah I mean everything. However it's not like they actually drive out to the hospital. No they get a Life Flight for anything that's wrong with them. If you go there you will see that Life Flight helicopter in the air every single day, multiple times a day. And each one of those flights is payed for with taxpayer money. They also have a casino on the reservation. So you would think with an outsiders perspective that the casino would mean a lot of money would be distributed amongst members of the tribe. Sadly that's not what happens. By and large, the profit from the casino goes to a select handful of people. If you go there, you'll also find that a lot of people who are not members of the tribe are largely of the opinion that we just need to stop helping them. Stop trying to hand feed them and let them actually make their own livings otherwise their way of life will not improve.
I'm not saying that no fault at all lies with the Government. But I AM saying that not all of it does. I'm also not saying that all reservations are like Pine Ridge. But they also hold much responsibility for their current conditions.
I know that I'll probably get Dugg down because of my non-PC attitude, but unfortunately that's just the way it is.- Al3x, on 12/21/2007, -7/+2Too much to read. Dugg down
- lacronicus, on 12/21/2007, -2/+7Not enough to read, dugg down.
- ChimpFlix, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Goverment handouts have been the bane of Indian self-subsistence. This is a wise move, and should encourage many businesses to relocate to Indian lands.
- dareNmc, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Just to add, it seams the corrupt tribal leaders, that prevent a good life style no matter how much money you pump through them, the rest get f'd (by their own).
So truly breaking the special treatment, and forcing all to attend decent schooling, not some corrupt tribal non-regulated school meant to just hold them down.
(adminttedly uninformed opinion.)
- Al3x, on 12/21/2007, -7/+2Too much to read. Dugg down
- Trav3133, on 12/21/2007, -2/+4Good now they don't get to have all of their income handed to them and they can provide for themselves and not rely on the government that they dislike so much.
- max420, on 12/21/2007, -3/+7They should not have any sovereign rights.... we came in a long time ago, conquered them and took over.
The land is now ours, fair and square.- lacronicus, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2You idiot, get over yourself. Was it you that took up a rifle? Was it you that went up to their chief and said "GTFO we want your land"? NO, so quit saying "we". It had nothing to do with you, you were not a part of it. People like you are the reason they still believe that "we" are the ones that did this to them. "we" didn't; our ancestors did this to theirs, that's the end of it. The sooner people grasp that idea, the sooner we can get over this.
- moracity, on 12/21/2007, -2/+5Get over yourself, you mongrel. WE are citizens of the United States of America...THAT is why it is WE. That's why we still are still blamed for slavery in America. Don't you find it odd that the black people in England don't whine about slavery? England had slaves far longer than the U.S ever did. The fact is, the English came to these shores and took the land. End of story. That is how it works. They didn't owe anything to the native people.
Did the Angles and Saxons owe anything to all the Britons they destroyed. The only original Britons left are the Welsh. Did the Romans setup special funds for all the lands they conquered? Of course not, the whole idea is absurd.
Screw the native Americans. They've been given everything they've ever asked for even though they didn't deserve it. If they want their own country, they can go find some other people/land to conquer...just like the English did when they came here. - BCRazgriz, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Apparently you've never heard of the word diplomacy.
- moracity, on 12/21/2007, -2/+5Get over yourself, you mongrel. WE are citizens of the United States of America...THAT is why it is WE. That's why we still are still blamed for slavery in America. Don't you find it odd that the black people in England don't whine about slavery? England had slaves far longer than the U.S ever did. The fact is, the English came to these shores and took the land. End of story. That is how it works. They didn't owe anything to the native people.
- lacronicus, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2You idiot, get over yourself. Was it you that took up a rifle? Was it you that went up to their chief and said "GTFO we want your land"? NO, so quit saying "we". It had nothing to do with you, you were not a part of it. People like you are the reason they still believe that "we" are the ones that did this to them. "we" didn't; our ancestors did this to theirs, that's the end of it. The sooner people grasp that idea, the sooner we can get over this.
- ChileanGoD, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1And if they get to have their own country... they will discover what the rest of us already know... that global market economy is the weapon that is used by US imperialism to destroy and mutate other cultures. They will not be safe unless they put some "***** and stay away from my country" policies.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Now, it's black people's turn.
But then again, the U.S does commit Genocide, past and present. I'll wait to see how this metes out.- tsotha, on 12/21/2007, -2/+0I agree. Now that Indians have declared independence in their ancestral homeland, blacks should go and do the same. I hope they don't let the door hit them in the ass.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1We'll try and make sure it doesn't. Thanks for the concern.
- tsotha, on 12/21/2007, -2/+0I agree. Now that Indians have declared independence in their ancestral homeland, blacks should go and do the same. I hope they don't let the door hit them in the ass.
- catbeller, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Now we'll see how all those new toys they've been feverishly making will be used. Microwave pain rays, Faraday cannon, drones, remotely controlled guns on tracks, loogie guns, super-armored storm troopers, laser blinders, sound cannon. All new weaponry the US is obsessed with is designed to control insurgent unarmed people. The Indians get to be the guinea pigs. Don't expect to see anything on the six o'clock news other than reports about how the US is saving the Indians from terrorist inciters and drooling over getting Britney's underage sister pregnant with s-e-x.
- clickwir, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1*****. If there was a war for the US instead of "treaties" then no one would have a problem with calling this land ours and saying ***** off to anyone else.
- kgmurray, on 12/20/2007, -109/+30I hope this means that they will send back the bi-weekly cheques as well. Is there any way we can get our Canadian indians to do the same thing!!!
- Ferre1, on 12/20/2007, -37/+140Good. And it's about time.
- PorchSong, on 12/20/2007, -19/+11Agreed. Now since they will break away and become their own sovereign nation, that would invalidate the treaties with the US and the protections warranted therein.
And that means . . . .
That we can conquer their ASSES again--and do it proper this time.- kageki, on 12/20/2007, -5/+3Are you for real? You are saying that not only you approve of genocide and murder in the name of territorial conquest, but are actively seeking it?
This is for real. I actually want to kill you.- leahcim, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2Genocide and murder in the name of territorial conquest, has been the way of the human race for 150,000 years, you really think we as a people are any different now than we were at any other point in our history?
- Xanadude, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5So... you want to kill him because of his opinion. This makes you better than him, how?
- PorchSong, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3No, I am not for real. Take a deep breath and chill out. If you can not pick out sarcasm when you see it, then you are far, far, too serious a person--especially for Digg. I am actually a 1/8 Indian, with lines that arguably go back to Pocahontas. But, it is interesting how I say conquer and you say kill.
- kageki, on 12/20/2007, -5/+3Are you for real? You are saying that not only you approve of genocide and murder in the name of territorial conquest, but are actively seeking it?
- Zera, on 12/20/2007, -1/+12Comment Abuse: Title is Inaccurate, neither Sitting Bull, nor Crazy Horse had any children survive childhood, therefore, they have no descendants.
- catbeller, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R
- chaostheoryd, on 12/22/2007, -1/+1S-T-U-P-I-D
- catbeller, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R
- kevinwiz, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1If only California would do the same
- PorchSong, on 12/20/2007, -19/+11Agreed. Now since they will break away and become their own sovereign nation, that would invalidate the treaties with the US and the protections warranted therein.
- ruest, on 12/20/2007, -33/+5Russell Means!
- tattva, on 12/20/2007, -32/+59power to the people!
- uberlit, on 12/20/2007, -14/+5How....? See what i did there?
- clarionhaze, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1'cause the power of the people don't stop!
- felchdonkey, on 12/20/2007, -43/+270If they pull this off, I'm emigrating to the Lakota Nation.
- scooterbaga, on 12/20/2007, -21/+78Count me in. This government frightens me...
oh... and native american chicks are hot... ;)- BassCadet, on 12/20/2007, -14/+32Yes, I'm sure they'll want white seed diluting their race even further..
- sodypop77, on 12/20/2007, -2/+30And how do you know scooterbaga is white?
- scooterbaga, on 12/20/2007, -21/+9***** ya! You're my hero for the day.
... and I prefer 'well endowed Caucasian'
- scooterbaga, on 12/20/2007, -21/+9***** ya! You're my hero for the day.
- Antwan718, on 12/20/2007, -5/+22Last time i checked they were still human succumbing to sexual desires just like everyone else, and if your smart and use a rubber you wont dilute their race, you just get to have some fun.
- abuelos84, on 12/20/2007, -10/+25Race? I'ts been proven that there are no such things as several "human races", there is ONLY ONE Human Race, we just have different "outfits"
- Solis, on 12/20/2007, -7/+3You can believe that all you want, won't make it true.
- ordig, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3you've never been a minority have you?
- Vincent21212, on 12/21/2007, -3/+2Just because we can all successfully procreate with eachother, doesn't mean we aren't different. Some breeds of dogs are smarter, more tempermental, or lazier than others. It's the same with humans. Behaviours and attributes can be bred into a specific group, therefore making many (not all) stereotypes true and justifying the concept of human races.
- Syphon8, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Sorry-subspecies. Happy?
- ErrorS, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I think Vincent just called black people lazy...
- cawpin, on 12/20/2007, -6/+11No, there is one human SPECIES, not race. Race in humans is the same as breed in dogs.
- archiesteel, on 12/20/2007, -0/+13Race is no longer a scientific term. As a designation of collections of visible phenotypes, it is by definition fuzzy and rather meaningless.
- CabesMojo, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2More like its just not as PC to say anymore, haha
- sodypop77, on 12/20/2007, -2/+30And how do you know scooterbaga is white?
- alarion, on 12/20/2007, -10/+5Yeah about as much as we whites want black seed diluting our race even further.
- elscorcho717, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Speak for yourself
- SETPeterM, on 12/21/2007, -1/+0One of the reasons race is such a hazy idea in the first place is it's impossible for black seed to dilute the white race, since any offspring wouldn't be considered white (one drop rule and all that).
- alarion, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1It can dilute it just the same as white seed can dilute the black race. I personally like having separate cultures and identities in the world. I like my race, much as blacks like theirs and Native Americans like theirs.
- xsuite, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2MMmmmhhhhh Yeah. Good think they are all fat. It gets prettty cold in Montana.
- lotuseater, on 12/20/2007, -0/+11Native American chicks in movies are hot, but Native American chicks in real life are not so much...
- scooterbaga, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1You mean movies and TV has lied to me yet again?
...someday I'll dump those lying whores...
- scooterbaga, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1You mean movies and TV has lied to me yet again?
- kgmurray, on 12/21/2007, -1/+0Native girls are hot? Whoaa ...the girls may get prettier at closing time, but not if they have more to drink than you do.
- BassCadet, on 12/20/2007, -14/+32Yes, I'm sure they'll want white seed diluting their race even further..
- kgmurray, on 12/20/2007, -43/+44In Canada we have already dealt with the Quebecois and their ridiculous demenads to separate. Separate without taking their share of the national debt, keeping our unit of currency, keeping the Canadian pension plan, keeping service from our military, etc, etc. In other words, independent, but keep the cheques coming.
If the Indians want to separate, they need to agree to make it permanent and complete. Let go of the public teat they have nursed from for 100 years.
In fact, we would pay them to go.- felchdonkey, on 12/20/2007, -23/+25You sure have a lot of anger issues, don't you?
- Antwan718, on 12/20/2007, -7/+13No he is right why should i pay for somone else to live for free, its the same thing in America with Pueto Rico they pay no taxes and are entitled to all the same benifits as any other citizen.
- thatcrazycommie, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4Uh, except for all of Puerto Rico is dirt poor, they have no representation in government, we used half of one of their islands as a nuclear testing range without asking anybody and now thousands of people have cancer, and they basically get ***** on by the rest of the country every day of the year.
- silveravnt, on 12/20/2007, -2/+1I didnt read that as angry at all.
- NEWNHLISLAME, on 12/20/2007, -9/+16Nut job Murray doesn't represent the ideas of all Canadians. So many Canadians believe and agree that the native people were treated at least as poorly as black people in history. White men came to take the land. Invented booze and killed a raped their women, shot all their live stock, not to mention bringing infectious diseases killing many unsuspecting people of their civilization. Aside from all of the tragedy in all countries through history, ours is a young history, which means that these problems existed not long ago. Sterilization programs were also used to keep native populations to a minimum. If they can come up with a free standing government on their land good for them. I 'm not sure how this will turn out but most Canadians do not have their heads up there asses as you would assume. I my self am both French and native metis I believe its called.Another poorly treated part of society in history. Why must we not realize there was a culture here before us and it will continue in some way. Good luck to them I would say. If they can do it better why not. Its not Like the Current system we live in now is all flowers and honey.
- oldhick, on 12/20/2007, -3/+6Lots of ***** happened to lots of people a long time ago. We can all come up with lists about past aggressions have hurt people.
You buck up and move forward which is what they are trying to do. I say let 'em. All they've been doing is living off our tax dollars. Lets put an end to the subsidies and let them make it on their own. - CC440, on 12/20/2007, -2/+7Yes... the white man invented booze just to kill indians, not that alchohol has existed for 3000 years.
- thomashauk, on 12/20/2007, -0/+5Try about 8000 and probably more,
- BigW, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3I'll just riff on your opening statement.....
Nut job Means doesn't represent all Lakota. It pisses me off that everyone is treating him like he does. - Sethbacca, on 12/20/2007, -2/+5Invented booze? You realize that alcohol has been around for about 4 or 5000 years right?
- kgmurray, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Wow .. "nut job" ... I am truly crushed by your wit.
In our province, we are so short of employees willing to work, we are importing WORKERS from China, Mexico, S. America. At the same time, Indian reserves sit within a 30 minute drive with 90% unemployment rates. Transportation was offered from the reserve to the work site at no cost. Still, they sit at home collecting cheques from us.
So yes, we are fed up. - kgmurray, on 12/22/2007, -0/+1What fantasy world do you live in? It appears you have retained every myth promoted by the left wing. Livestock?? Do you mean to infer ownership over all the wildlife as well? Invented booze? *****. Thats like whites blaming Indians for inventing tobacco.
It still comes down to what happens Monday mornings. Get up, and get a job! If you are a student, trying attending classes! Quit using past injustices for tomorrows defeatist behaviours. We have paid for the damn residential school experience, we have paid for health services, housing, social services, infrastructure. The rest of us are tired of carrying you.
- oldhick, on 12/20/2007, -3/+6Lots of ***** happened to lots of people a long time ago. We can all come up with lists about past aggressions have hurt people.
- reedatschool, on 12/20/2007, -3/+11The "public teat" was forced on them and we did a very poor job taking care of them. So many Indians died from starvation under our care it isn't funny. Your comments reek of ethnocentrism and bigotry.
- ChimpFlix, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1Stupid French Canadian! ;)
- buckrogers1965, on 12/20/2007, -2/+5Sure, they will accept their share of the national debt, if you pay full current market value for all the land you took from them. Downtown areas of all the metropolitan areas should be worth billions.
- BigW, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4You realize that these same Sioux that you are talking about took some of the land they are claiming from tribes that were there before them. But we can't give the land back to those tribes because they wiped them out.
- kgmurray, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I though all of these traditional cultures were considerate, wise, and environmentally friendly!
- jstevewhite, on 12/20/2007, -0/+8Sure, that sort of thing goes on in history. What we're talking about HERE is that the United States made treaties and failed to honor them, and CONTINUES to fail to honor them. The United States is still a going concern, and the plaintiffs are still here, so this is a CURRENT CASE. And we here in the US like to pretend like we're the GOOD GUYS, so we need to pony up and act like it. That's what differentiates this from, say, what the Romans did to the Celts; the Romans never pretended to be some pious "good guy" - they were imperial and unabashedly so - and both ROME and the Celtic tribes are long gone as functional organizations.
- BigW, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4You realize that these same Sioux that you are talking about took some of the land they are claiming from tribes that were there before them. But we can't give the land back to those tribes because they wiped them out.
- archiesteel, on 12/20/2007, -0/+5"In Canada we have already dealt with the Quebecois and their ridiculous demenads to separate."
No, you haven't. You guys are still reeling from the 50/50 vote in 1995...Quebec will take its share of the debt *as long* as it gets its share of the assets. As for the currency, do you realize it's to *your* advantage for Quebec to keep the Canadian dollar? What do you think would happen if Quebec was to switch, say, to the Euro and sell all of their dollars? Can you say massive devaluation?
As for territorial concessions to the First Nations, there's actually a good portion of Quebecois who are not opposed to them in principle, as long as they are reasonable and would not threaten the viability of the new state. The French and the members of the First Nation got along great before the Brits showed up, there's no reason to think they couldn't negotiate in good faith.- kgmurray, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0You lost the vote. Get over it. We won, I think.
- felchdonkey, on 12/20/2007, -23/+25You sure have a lot of anger issues, don't you?
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -4/+15Does anyone know what land or how much we're talking about here and whether or not people will have to be displaced for it? I'm assuming it is an area of reservations so I doubt many people will be moved but I'm curious about the size of our new neighbour.
I'm also very curious to see what happens next, if they manage to pull this off, and I think they will, we could see a domino effect of other tribes laying claim to their own nations. Honestly I will fight for my home the way they fought for theirs, but I can't blame them for wanting to right some of the wrongs against them.- oldhick, on 12/20/2007, -5/+12This has been tried numerous times already. Nothing will happen.
- BigW, on 12/20/2007, -0/+8The reservations were laid out by the treaties they are invalidating. However, many of the reservations have shrunk considerably from their original size. But there are still large tracks of land in the plains controlled by tribal governments. Each reservation has its own tribal government. As far as I know Means is involved in NO tribal governments at any capacity, so really, hes speaking only for himself and his little band of followers.
- Heni905, on 12/20/2007, -5/+1tchnically since its a country wouldnt you be immigrating?
- AriaStar, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3Emigrating if going there. Immigrating is incoming.
- tEhKewleSt, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1Hope you're already older than 44...did you read thier life expectancy in that article?
- nimbleprune, on 12/20/2007, -2/+1I don't recommend it I have made many trips to the Lakota areas in North Dakota. the areas are ***** wholes the free housing and schools and other infrastructure built for them is just left to deteriorate. Most cities are crime ridden...I saw a car left outside one day...drove by it the next day and the windows where broken....drove by it the next day and the car had been torched.
- silveravnt, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2Where will the Lakota nation be? I guess they could buy land in Mexico on the cheap.
- kgmurray, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Canada will consider selling Quebec to them.
- chaostheoryd, on 12/22/2007, -1/+1They can't pull this off :P
- scooterbaga, on 12/20/2007, -21/+78Count me in. This government frightens me...
- 01l0, on 12/20/2007, -43/+265Dugg in solidarity with the Lakota Nation
- nuncei, on 12/20/2007, -5/+9Power to the Lakota
- Pillage, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4They should invest in banking servers, legalize drugs and sell tax free cigarettes. That would start a nice income, then they should build up an industry.
- Wholekernalcorn, on 12/20/2007, -85/+16I believe every person of European decent in North America and South America should go back to their home countries!!!!
- Nudar, on 12/20/2007, -5/+34You do realize 99% of Hispanics have some White ancestry and a good portion of Indians do as well? So this would basically leave the continents empty.
- kageki, on 12/20/2007, -5/+1Are referring to the fact that white people came here and massacred indigenous people and also raping them and then consequently absorbing the people and their culture into theirs? This is the reason you are talking about when supposedly 99% of hispanics have some white ancestry?
- mclumber1, on 12/20/2007, -0/+7...And Indians raped and massacred each other for thousands of years before the white man came to the Americas. There were literally thousands of different native groups constantly fighting each other for access and ownership of land and resources. Native Americans are just as guilty as the whites for killing and taking land from other peoples.
- xsuite, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1Read the book called Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Tribal societies are much MUCH MUCH more peaceful than any western 'democracy.'
- leahcim, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Wow, history happened.
- mclumber1, on 12/20/2007, -0/+7...And Indians raped and massacred each other for thousands of years before the white man came to the Americas. There were literally thousands of different native groups constantly fighting each other for access and ownership of land and resources. Native Americans are just as guilty as the whites for killing and taking land from other peoples.
- kageki, on 12/20/2007, -5/+1Are referring to the fact that white people came here and massacred indigenous people and also raping them and then consequently absorbing the people and their culture into theirs? This is the reason you are talking about when supposedly 99% of hispanics have some white ancestry?
- fractalman, on 12/20/2007, -8/+31My ancestors paid for their little piece of land, Manhattan, I ain't leaving.
- jonshipman, on 12/20/2007, -6/+1but noone can own land!
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Then no one can form a new country? Borders imply ownership...
- xsuite, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1or protection.
- jonshipman, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1True, but didn't some native americans not have borders?
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Then no one can form a new country? Borders imply ownership...
- jonshipman, on 12/20/2007, -6/+1but noone can own land!
- tid242, on 12/20/2007, -6/+24And all the people whose lines can be traced back to those who crossed the Baring Straight should go back to Russia.
- yeti22, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1Heh, good point.
- DrMonkeyLove, on 12/20/2007, -2/+26By this logic, the only continent that would have any people at all would be Africa.
- DavidtheDuke, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4actually, the ocean, or, if you're really stingy, the sun, OR if you're really REALLY stingy, the essence of reality!
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1*swims in the Lifestream?*
- DavidtheDuke, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4actually, the ocean, or, if you're really stingy, the sun, OR if you're really REALLY stingy, the essence of reality!
- MarkusBlair, on 12/20/2007, -2/+21I think everyone should return to their ancestors place of origin.
Of course this will make some place in Africa or the Garden of Eden extremely crowded.- KirbyMeister, on 12/20/2007, -2/+16Dugg for appeasing both Creationists and Darwinists in the same sentence.
- ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/20/2007, -0/+6Dugg for on-point impersonation of Capt. Obvious.
- kageki, on 12/20/2007, -4/+2Off course some moron always makes such asinine example for comparison. Garden of Eden? This mythological place mentioned in the Bible? Are you serious?
You well understand what the original comment meant. White europeans came here and took it over. This is not unlike when some people tell black people to go back to Africa. I'm sorry it's hard to accept the simple fact of colonialism and imperialism by white europeans.- venom8599, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1oops, wrong place.
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1I don't tell blacks to go back to Africa, they generally say that that's where they want to go themselves. Y'know, the revolutionaries dressing like Ethiopians? If they want to go, they can go. If they want to stay, they can stay, just shut up about going. It doesn't cost much to go ANYWHERE anymore, just a couple months of saving.
Granted, you'd have to stop smoking that delicious crack for a couple months... and really, who wants to do that?! Ha, not me, no sir!
- KirbyMeister, on 12/20/2007, -2/+16Dugg for appeasing both Creationists and Darwinists in the same sentence.
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -2/+7Leading by example, I'm sure. You don't happen to have a house in Mountain Lake do you? I hope not, are you using any of the public facilities? You need to be careful with those hypocritical statements, you know.
You may want to turn your house over to a Sioux or Ojibwe - Gryffydd, on 12/20/2007, -0/+6Yeah, let me go ahead and split myself up into a bunch of little pieces. One can go to Wales, one to Ireland, and one can stay here.
- ImNotHuman, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3Wholekernalcorn, I have to digg you down for not knowing the difference between decent and descent.
- mushoo, on 12/20/2007, -4/+2Wow. How quickly does everyone pull out the Africa card.
I'm sure all the people digging whole down and making the Africa comments are all for open borders.
Oh I forgot, only they and whatever their ancestors did is right and legal. Their-imaginary-all-powerful-god forbid some other peoples would like to live in harmony and work hard without having to worry about some uppity douche-bags kill off your people for your land and forbid you and anyone else they want from sharing it because they think they own everything. - yeti22, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3Here's your prize for totally missing the point of the article. Nowhere did the Lakota hint that anyone should "go home," just that the Lakota would no longer honor the treaties they have with the U.S. Which the U.S. couldn't be bothered to honor pretty much from day one.
The one flaw in their plan is that they don't have a military force large enough (one assumes) to back up their assertion of independence. That's what brought down the South, too.- venom8599, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4At least the South had a military force, even if it was defeated. The Lakota have none.
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1They have hippie college kids ready to hit the blogs in the event of an invasion, though.
It's like Vietnam, but FASTER.
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1They have hippie college kids ready to hit the blogs in the event of an invasion, though.
- Albionshores, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2You assume that to be a flaw. Show me Gandhi's army....
- venom8599, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4At least the South had a military force, even if it was defeated. The Lakota have none.
- venom8599, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5I was born in North America. I've never been to Europe--not even for a visit. And if I were to go back to Europe--what country would I go back to? I'm part English, part German, part Irish. Hell, I'm part Cherokee too. So do I need to cut off an arm and mail it back to North America when I get there, or what?
- Misesean, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1How do you know your arm's the Cherokee part? And couldn't you cut it off first, to save on postage?
- venom8599, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2It seemed about right, based on proportions. I'd rather have the arm a little longer than save on postage.
- Misesean, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1How do you know your arm's the Cherokee part? And couldn't you cut it off first, to save on postage?
- jakk, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1As much as this comment irritated the masses, I do believe he has a point. Assuming he wasn't being literal, of course, this does bring up an interesting issue with Natives in the US. The fact is, they simply have no home country to return to, and are forced to live as second class citizens if they ever desire to maintain any shards of their culture.
As gloomy as the future appears for the Lakota Nation, I still applaud their efforts. - bryceman111, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1Maybe we should. It is "their" land. Maybe because they get benefits of what happened to their ancestors, we should get punished for what our ancestors did.
- Nudar, on 12/20/2007, -5/+34You do realize 99% of Hispanics have some White ancestry and a good portion of Indians do as well? So this would basically leave the continents empty.
- greendalek, on 12/20/2007, -15/+189While I applaud their convictions and agree that their Reasons Effecting The Separation are absolutely valid, do keep in mind that there were some pretty ugly consequences the LAST time someone tried to secede from the U.S.
- Elranzer, on 12/20/2007, -19/+37Yeah... the first Republican president.
- KirbyMeister, on 12/20/2007, -10/+9I lol'd.
- batdan, on 12/20/2007, -13/+22Well to be fair I think Indians are pretty unimportant to the future success of the country, unlike the south.
- reedatschool, on 12/20/2007, -14/+13How so? It is the great American genocide, how is that unimportant? I guess if you want to sweep it under the rug so we can go around killing more people as our primary goal then yes. They have nothing to add but the sad reality that we have continually ***** anyone we can get our hands on.
- Eallan, on 12/20/2007, -1/+18I didn't do ***** to them.
- redDC143C, on 12/21/2007, -3/+1But you are taking advantage of the steals your (our) previous generations have taken from them.
- venom8599, on 12/20/2007, -0/+15You're missing his point, which was that the Indian reservations aren't economically important to the success of the country, but the South was when those states tried to secede in 1860 and 1861.
- TxAggie08, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2I don't have any white guilt over this stuff. In a different time, we went to war and beat the ***** out of them. It happens. Civilizations fall. I am not ashamed of the country we built or the manner in which it was built.
- Eallan, on 12/20/2007, -1/+18I didn't do ***** to them.
- kittynipples, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1That's the history of the world. Better learn to accept it.
- reedatschool, on 12/20/2007, -14/+13How so? It is the great American genocide, how is that unimportant? I guess if you want to sweep it under the rug so we can go around killing more people as our primary goal then yes. They have nothing to add but the sad reality that we have continually ***** anyone we can get our hands on.
- Neiby, on 12/20/2007, -9/+23Yeah, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth trying again. It may be too late to fix the U.S. I hate to say that, but I'm really starting to think we're fighting a losing battle. The Lakota might have the right idea.
- TxAggie08, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Still the strongest country on Earth, and the country has always had things that needed to be fixed. But I really like ***** ups who contribute little always talking about how the country is screwed. What are you doing to help keep the United States strong?
- Scrappy1850, on 12/20/2007, -2/+9the last time? the Freemen? or do you mean the most important time someone tried to seceed?
- brokencode, on 12/20/2007, -1/+16Petoria did not end well.
- KirbyMeister, on 12/20/2007, -1/+14Operation Bomb The Crap Out Of Your House was a military success, which helped force the Petorians to pull back from Joehio.
- GhostFreeman, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5"And that's why we must take this fight to the native americans, before they take the fight to us, the...people...who...reside in this great country of ours. God Bless America."
- Wolfie351, on 12/20/2007, -7/+4Sometimes I wish that secession was successful
- PhantomBantam, on 12/20/2007, -0/+13In a hundred years, we'll be told we had to invade Lakota Nation because of gambling.
- Elranzer, on 12/20/2007, -19/+37Yeah... the first Republican president.
- SiNN4R, on 12/20/2007, -26/+238I wish there was a state with the balls to secede from the federal government.
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -24/+10And a good reason.
- abuelos84, on 12/20/2007, -4/+5Humanism?
- notque, on 12/20/2007, -3/+18War Crimes committed by the federal government.
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -6/+6alledged war crimes committed by individuals I have nothing to do with you mean?
- ghamal, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5@noahhoward - your taxes help pay for American war crimes. And they are not "alleged" They are well documented.
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -3/+3Until someone is convicted they are allegations. What pacifists think are war crimes are sometimes common parts of war. As far as well documented, alleged war crimes, a lot of what I have heard about, murder, rape, etc. are individuals not acting on orders those acts are not war crimes they are simple crimes.
- sinrtb, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Hate to break it to ya Noah but torture is a war crime and water boarding has precedent in previous war crime trials. Though there has not been a trial and it is true that technically they are still allegations, no one in the administration has denied the use of water boarding in "enhanced interrogations".
- active1x0, on 12/20/2007, -6/+2Reasons and logic are overrated here; where the hell do you think you are?
- Neiby, on 12/20/2007, -4/+22Me, too. Maybe New Hampshire after all the FSP people move there?
- doshindude, on 12/20/2007, -1/+6NH wouldn't.
Vermont, However, might.- holzp, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5Perhaps both, the countries of Left Nutjob and Right Nutjob. The geography works out!
- ramallama, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3The Second Vermont Republic!!
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/
- doshindude, on 12/20/2007, -1/+6NH wouldn't.
- gn0stik, on 12/20/2007, -5/+22How about the fed. govt. just observing the constitution. A grass roots movement like the Free State Project in multiple states would be a better solution IMO. Secession would be a nightmare.
- cactus476, on 12/20/2007, -4/+15I say Vermont should take a stab at it.
- diggdanoles, on 12/20/2007, -4/+3So should PA.
- DSai, on 12/20/2007, -1/+7There's a group in VT that's actually trying
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/ - maz2331, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1No, PA just needs to give the Philly area to New Jersey since they fit in better with each other than Philly does with the rest of the state.
- TxAggie08, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I wish Vermont would. They seem to be mostly left-wing loonies, but then most of the people on this thread are.
Digg me down-Let it rain down on me.
- HesNikke, on 12/20/2007, -3/+18http://freestateproject.org/
not quite secession, but it's something! - slvrbullet87, on 12/20/2007, -15/+3As a delegate for the US we will trade all of you who think this country sucks NH and Maine. In exchange you all have to go. Try it your socialist commie ways.
- mapez, on 12/20/2007, -2/+5It works in Canada.
- Ndiggnation, on 12/20/2007, -1/+6People still call other people commies? You watch alot of Red Dawn or something?
- Memitim, on 12/20/2007, -1/+5Neocons always pine for the days of the Cold War, hence the makeup of this current administration.
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3WOLVERINES!
- Wartyboskfapped, on 12/20/2007, -2/+4Go back to 1950, you douchebag.
- hunnybee38, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3Dear Delegate for the US,
Give us back our constitution rights, Quit spying, Quit backing the large Corporations, Quit taxing us to death, just to mention a few... Quit QUIT QUIT... and I'm sure we would all be PROUD TO BE A USA CITIZEN AGAIN! - karel747, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2The fact that you use the words "socialist commie" as an insult alone shows me that you're an imbecile.
- GamerVer05, on 12/20/2007, -3/+12It's called South Carolina, read a book.
- mdcarso, on 12/20/2007, -3/+10Amen, and kudos to the great state of South Carolina -- long live the CSA and the honorable men who fought against the North in the War of Yankee Aggression!
- Ozymandias42, on 12/20/2007, -1/+10Come on, now. That's just unedjyicated. It's The War of NORTHERN Aggression.
- PBMainiac3, on 12/20/2007, -0/+3so many people think Lincoln wanted to free slaves. this was not the case at all, the South succeeded because of Northern oppression. If Hillary becomes president we'll leave again!
Se yall on the battlefield (from Charleston, South Carolina)- Metal_Hurlant, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4Well then, let's hope Obama becomes president.
That should keep the South happy.
- Metal_Hurlant, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4Well then, let's hope Obama becomes president.
- mdcarso, on 12/20/2007, -3/+10Amen, and kudos to the great state of South Carolina -- long live the CSA and the honorable men who fought against the North in the War of Yankee Aggression!
- jknevitt, on 12/20/2007, -1/+32It'll never happen. In Texas v. White (1869), the Supreme Court ruled that states have no rights to secede under the US Constitution. That said, they did make the concession that it would be legal if Congress permitted it (I'd rather wait for the sun to burn out -- it'll be a shorter wait).
- darkhand, on 12/20/2007, -0/+15I've always wondered about this. How is a supreme court ruling supposed to stop a state who is seceeding, thereby specifically refusing to recognize the validity of the supreme court?
- t3soro, on 12/20/2007, -1/+19we were going to revolt, but now that you tell is that it's illegal, we changed our minds.
- venom8599, on 12/20/2007, -0/+9Ultimately it doesn't and if a state were able to defend itself and it's independence then it wouldn't matter, but it gives the other states and the federal government grounds to confront the seceding state.
- maz2331, on 12/20/2007, -0/+11Because it allows the President to send in the Army, Air Force, and Marines to "suppress the rebellion."
- EmperorAwesome, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2That doesn't scare Michigan.
- catbeller, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2The U.S. would send the CIA in to arm the deer. The Committee to Liberate Michigan would be convened in the White House by Cheney the next day. After the smoke cleared, Cheney would bomb the deer, and his stock in Halliburton would rise another 30,000 percent.
- EmperorAwesome, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2That doesn't scare Michigan.
- wheninva1, on 12/20/2007, -1/+4Because Virginia is a commonwealth, I'm pretty sure it can legally succeed.
- darkhand, on 12/20/2007, -0/+15I've always wondered about this. How is a supreme court ruling supposed to stop a state who is seceeding, thereby specifically refusing to recognize the validity of the supreme court?
- robbob, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Louisiana is about as close as you get. They have their own commerce laws apart from the rest of the US
- TxAggie08, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Louisiana is a ***** of a state due to their own incompetence.
- MeMongo, on 12/20/2007, -12/+12I don't think that anyone would miss Alabama, Georgia, or Mississippi. Let them leave.
- Birdoftruth, on 12/20/2007, -6/+15Shut up, I am tired of Digg bigotry towards the South.
- EmperorAwesome, on 12/20/2007, -5/+5Lighten up guy, it's super humid down there. I wouldn't miss them just because they don't comfortably support human life.
- amk29j, on 12/20/2007, -5/+7And it's super cold in New England. I wouldn't miss them just because THEY don't comfortably support human life.
Humidity is much more livable, imo, than sub 25 degree weather ANY day. I can barely live in North Carolina's cold weather (and I was born and raised here).
Plus, Atlanta is a pretty major economic hub for the US, why wouldn't you miss it?- EmperorAwesome, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Who are you responding to, brosephina?
- ngnboone, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2Not as much as I'm tired of the South, and the people they send to Washington
- badarabdad, on 12/20/2007, -4/+2you forgot florida.
- CrimsonTide7199, on 12/21/2007, -1/+6I doubt anyone will miss you once you leave this earth. Bigot.
- catbeller, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1You can't be "bigoted" towards bigots. Semantic ju jitsu doesn't work against people with IQ's above room temperature.
- TxAggie08, on 12/21/2007, -2/+1I love the South, it has less left wing liberal idiots like the screw ups on digg most of the time.
- Birdoftruth, on 12/20/2007, -6/+15Shut up, I am tired of Digg bigotry towards the South.
- jakk, on 12/20/2007, -1/+3That didn't go so well last time..
- spancho, on 12/20/2007, -1/+6I support the californian independence movement!
- istumbler, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Let's get the bear flag revolution started: http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist6/toddflag.html
- Schneckehaus, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3I'd prefer an entire west coast secession.
Oregon, washington, and cali.
- operatingthetan, on 12/21/2007, -1/+0That's why I and my organization propose we take Florida out of the Union. We start anew as our own country and ban people from Missouri or Kentucky or Philadelphia or any of them fancy places from settin' foot on our soil!
- laserdog, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Lucky thing all our troops have been training in urban combat. =P
Now if only we had some of them stateside... - MauiMac, on 12/22/2007, -0/+1The people of Hawaii (Kanaka Maoli) is in the process of reinstating the illegally overthrown Kingdom Of Hawaii...
- noahhoward, on 12/20/2007, -24/+10And a good reason.
- gimlik, on 12/20/2007, -35/+16"The new country would issue its own passports and driving licenses, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship."
Uh huh... yeahhhhhhhh.........- jhendrix86, on 12/20/2007, -2/+6You should learn about most american indians. Most of them have chosen to live in poverty. The US has tried time and time again with many to offer them millions upon millions of dollars so they could basically forget the genocide tried on them. They turn it down..and one of the Lakota sections is the poorest in the country.
So tax free? I guarantee it would be tax free, they aren't a shallow people at ALL.- Arcesius, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Sorry, I dugg you down and didn't mean to.
- amk29j, on 12/20/2007, -3/+1Sorry, I dugg you down and I did mean to. Why would you publicize that?
- Arcesius, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Sorry, I dugg you down and didn't mean to.
- hixxy, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1Sounds like what Mexico did to Texans ages ago.
That worked out.
- jhendrix86, on 12/20/2007, -2/+6You should learn about most american indians. Most of them have chosen to live in poverty. The US has tried time and time again with many to offer them millions upon millions of dollars so they could basically forget the genocide tried on them. They turn it down..and one of the Lakota sections is the poorest in the country.
- jmpeagle, on 12/20/2007, -31/+172so now they are enemies of the state? Time to send some smallpox blankets.
- GamerVer05, on 12/20/2007, -15/+19Dugg for little known history reference.
- frostmonkey, on 12/20/2007, -2/+32you think thats little known? I think you hold your knowledge of history a little too highly.
- r00tus3r, on 12/20/2007, -1/+11I'm not even from the US, and even I know that. Seriously, that really doesn't qualify as "little known". It was also a bit mean, but I digress ...
- GamerVer05, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Maybe in this audience it is well known but pull someone off the streets and ask them what was the first biological weapon used by the United States or something along that line and I bet less then 20% will know.
- TxAggie08, on 12/23/2007, -0/+1If you ask it that way, yeah. People don't think about it in those terms, but they know we gave smallpox blankets to the indians.
- sinrtb, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1@ r00tus3r : I think because you do not live in the US is how you came to know this knowledge.
- BodomX, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I'm thinking a lot of people are confusing what hes talking about with the South Park episode.
- frostmonkey, on 12/20/2007, -2/+32you think thats little known? I think you hold your knowledge of history a little too highly.
- tEhKewleSt, on 12/20/2007, -1/+2Guns, Iron and Germs bitches!
- endersadvocate, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4i havent even read the book but i am pretty sure its guns germs and steel
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2My sister has that book. She says it sucks.
- jmpeagle, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2it does suck, his sequel Collapse is better
- TheDHC, on 12/20/2007, -0/+1guns germs and steel bored me to death
collapse on ther other hand, great book
- ordig, on 12/20/2007, -1/+1your sister is dumb.
- jon30041, on 12/20/2007, -2/+2My sister has that book. She says it sucks.
- endersadvocate, on 12/20/2007, -0/+4i havent even read the book but i am pretty sure its guns germs and steel
- jhendrix86, on 12/20/2007, -8/+6wow, someone else knows the US tried to send blankets infected with disease during the WWII era? i digg your comment, you know your history
- TxAggie08, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Eh, that was probably a reference to when we wiped out the Indians in the 1800's. If we tried it in WWII good for us.
- ordig, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2Actually they are probably all immune by now. They have been getting European pathogens for 600 years
- jmpeagle, on 12/20/2007, -0/+2immune to smallpox? then why do they still make the vaccines?
- chilipeppers4u, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Actually they stopped making the vaccine because smallpox has been eradicated. They don't vaccinate people anymore because only a handful of lab specimens exist (at the CDC and the Russian equivalent)
- catacuta, on 12/20/2007, -5/+6I am actually impressed that an American citizen is informed enough to know the disgusting act of sending smallpox blankets. That's is the foundation of Amerca, be proud.
- superkendall, on 12/20/2007, -0/+10Like you Euro wankers haven't done a thousand things worse over a far longer course of history...
There are skeletons in all our closets if you want to go there.
- superkendall, on 12/20/2007, -0/+10Like you Euro wankers haven't done a thousand things worse over a far longer course of history...
- GamerVer05, on 12/20/2007, -15/+19Dugg for little known history reference.