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Define irony - 'World peace' hitcher is murdered

news.bbc.co.uk — She "wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people", so she set out to hitchhike to the Middle East. End result: she gets murdered in Turkey at the start of her journey.

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  • vertinox, on 04/13/2008, -11/+545This is why we can't have nice things... like world peace.
    • Adamande, on 04/13/2008, -62/+28I don't agree with your conclusion. A single murder in Turkey isn't a measurement of world peace. Every country in the world has murderers, but not every country puts them in charge of an army. If people manage to keep enough psychopaths out of government, we might very well be able to avoid a few wars. Murders on the other hand, will probably never be eradicated.
      • Croecop, on 04/13/2008, -27/+49Shut up you hippie
        • Jimbob200, on 04/13/2008, -15/+7Hear hear!
        • Adamande, on 04/13/2008, -17/+6Oh, very clever. But you left out "commie" and "leftist" :-)
        • theone3, on 04/13/2008, -8/+8Ah,I take it you support putting psychopaths in places of power? Voted Bush did we?
          • Nitesmoke, on 04/13/2008, -4/+8This has nothing to do with people in power, but with hippies that think that americans invent boogeymen to blame war on and to prove it they stick their head into the mouth of the lion. People are not basically good. Trying to prove it with your life will get you killed.
          • anonymiau, on 04/13/2008, -10/+9How ***** stupid are you people? Adamande is right on the money here. The question is so simple a monkey should be able to answer it: if you don't elect a psycho to govern, perhaps you won't be getting psycho politics. But no, the people who elected Bush can't wrap their small brains around that idea, so they mouth off about hippies and other childish nonsense. Nobody in this thread was even blaming Americans until you came along with your oversized ego.

            But hey, preaching peace to yanks is like preaching quantum physics to roaches. They have no understanding of it.
          • Marta313, on 04/13/2008, -7/+7Please don't lump all of "us Yanks" in with the Bushies. Please remember that in 2000, George Bush actually LOST the popular vote. Many of "us Yanks" did not vote for him and many of us do not agree with the war in Iraq.
        • slave1, on 04/13/2008, -3/+0Spoken like a true hippie wannabe
        • PaulOwen, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Mo' The Travelling Bear met the same fateful end:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BInorf2nZU
      • hauntedchippy, on 04/13/2008, -1/+7Blimey, seems that comment doesn't sit well with the diggers. I think your right, there will always be bad people and the best we can ever hope to do is try to keep them at bay.
        • Rjordan, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2there will always be devils roaming as lions, read the history books please.
          • hauntedchippy, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1yeah thats kinda the point I'm making, but thanks for pointing it out in a more superior way just in case others like you don't get it.
        • buadach, on 04/13/2008, -2/+3"I think you're right"

          /grammar nazi
      • jordanmac, on 04/13/2008, -2/+5i don't think world peace extends only to fighting between countries, it should also include murders within countries. i'd say that any murders that go on definitely count against world peace, even if it isn't actually considered a war
      • jp12380, on 04/13/2008, -3/+3No, you are wrong murders will end when pre crime goes into action.
      • kaelyiesta, on 04/13/2008, -0/+9I despise myself for using a good womans death as an example to talk about political issues, but this is the evidence to show how misguided some of us are in how we work for peace. It cannot be achieved by words alone. Not everyone will listen to even the most rational arguments for peace. Humans are simply not all good.

        Be peaceful to others but be prepared to defend yourself.
    • MortalynFlux, on 04/13/2008, -15/+54Psychopaths are lured by power. Many of them become police officers, politicians, lawyers, corporate executives, and religious leaders. Often psychopathic behavior is rewarded in these fields, it is just interpreted differently.
      • lotsa1s, on 04/13/2008, -5/+26While in contrast, genuinely good people shy away from the easily corrupting pursuit of power.
        • anonymiau, on 04/13/2008, -8/+9What a bunch of speculative BS. So i guess Ghandi was a rotten apple then, cause he sure didn't shy away from power. Neither did Jesus, Mother Theresa or any of the other great do-gooders throughout history. What's a "good" person by the way, and what's a "bad"? The world isn't the Disney Channel you know....
          • Smills, on 04/13/2008, -2/+10Yeah, but there is a lot of skepticism surrounding mother Teresa and we have no idea what Jesus was like if he even existed because anything written about a suspected messiah would have been heavily enhanced 'truth'.
          • KayIslandDrunk, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2I was with you until "Jesus". I'm sorry, but I just can't take anything one says as credible if they also believe in things such as "Jesus".
          • jayfehr, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Whether or not you believe in his divinity Jesus was a real person who tried to help others. Islam views him as a prophet, and Judaism sees him as a man who did not fulfill the Messianic prophecies and therefore was not the Messiah. Having religious nut jobs invoke his name for greed and hate does not change the fact that he was a good man trying to change the world during a difficult time. If nothing else he should be held in the same regards as Gandhi, Mother Teresa, or Nelson Mandela (each of whom had some failings, nobody's perfect).

            See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_christ
          • lotsa1s, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0Indeed. Jesus liked to ***** party!
      • SeventhSon, on 04/13/2008, -1/+18The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it.
        - H.L. Mencken
      • masterm1nd, on 04/13/2008, -12/+13Do you actually have any numbers? Because I think there are psychopaths everywhere and you just don't like police officers, politicians, lawyers, corporate executives, and religious leaders.
        • lotsa1s, on 04/13/2008, -4/+10People who want power over other people are generally bad.

          Power also corrupts.

          Those things lead there to be a very obvious bias towards bad people being in power.
          • fkr3, on 04/13/2008, -8/+4Those aren't numbers those are generalizations and opinion.
          • notoneofus, on 04/13/2008, -2/+7I'm pretty sure that's why lotsa1s used the words "many" and "often" because those ARE generalizations. Asking for numbers makes no sense in that case.

            How would you seek to prove 65.4 percent of people of become police officers are psychopaths?
          • jamdogg, on 04/13/2008, -2/+4Here's a number fkr3: ONE.
            The self serving psychopathic slime that the USA voted as their president.
        • MortalynFlux, on 04/13/2008, -2/+3You would have to know me to make that judgment, and you don't. As it stands, I have or have had friends, relatives, and co-workers in all of those fields. Sociopaths, in general, are very sociable, likable people. That's known to be one of their key traits.
        • BriscoeJr, on 04/13/2008, -1/+3@MortalynFlux
          (so·cio·path) (so´se-o-path”) a previously used term for a person exhibiting antisocial personality disorder.
          someone with a sociopathic personality; a person with an antisocial personality disorder (`psychopath' was once widely used but has now been superseded by `sociopath')

          Sociopaths in general are NOT sociable people.
          • MortalynFlux, on 04/13/2008, -1/+3I'll give you the first one. But not the second one. Sociopaths are, at least superficially, sociable and charming.
      • Adamande, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2Yes, a lot of people who are less empathic seek power. But they are not the only ones who do. Actually, most of the leaders in the world practice peaceful trade and diplomacy among each other. Only a few wage wars. And if you avoid voting for the worst psychos, you'll avoid the worst international policies. That's just basic logic as I see it, so I'm not sure why I'm getting dugg down for saying that.
      • LokitheComplex, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1I agree power attracts the worst. But sometimes a competent psychopath can make a better leader than incompetent empathic leader.
    • dizilbdog, on 04/13/2008, -10/+4Nobody has ever seen peace so society and people can't emulate it...
      • CaLeDee, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4Peace happens on a small scale every single day. People find ways to come to agreements without resorting to violence. It's just the larger scale that has to implement the same methods, which is easier said than done.
        • dizilbdog, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Well then we all need to work on the larger scale method...
    • qwertydvorak, on 04/13/2008, -6/+2http://www.gotwavs.com/0058536645/MP3S/TV_Shows/Si ...
      • bethehammer, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2if only I could go to your house, steal your computer and say 'yoink' =D
        • qwertydvorak, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1she should be a darwin award winner.
    • mewho, on 04/13/2008, -2/+20And people wonder why I'm cynical.
    • NightVortez, on 04/13/2008, -4/+6I don't even see how world peace would work, unless it's a Communism type of thing, in which case, I stand by my statement.
      • anonymiau, on 04/13/2008, -15/+1Easy. Just get rid of USrael. They're the only ones waging wars on others. No communism needed.
        • sonofblacula, on 04/13/2008, -1/+8Right, because South America, Africa, and Asia are so totally peaceful right now. Yep. No one getting riddled with rounds from AK-47s in those regions...
          • anonymiau, on 04/13/2008, -9/+1Correct. (I'll just ignore your petty strawman) Not one country in those regions are waging wars on other countries. What domestic problems different countries have is interesting, but it's not quite comparable to the rabid warmachine of the USA and Israel. Take them out of the equation, and war would pretty much be out too.
          • aywwts4, on 04/13/2008, -2/+4Your insightful views on history stretching back almost a hundred of years astounds me. Why did the US have to go and ruin our planet's centuries of peace and love.
          • anonymiau, on 04/13/2008, -6/+1Your meaningless babble disappoints me. I was hoping for an actual argument. If you can name other countries currently raising the same amount of hell as the US, then go ahead and ***** do it already...
          • anonymiau, on 04/13/2008, -5/+1Oh wait, now I see your "argument". It was so silly I totally overlooked it. I guess your whole case is that there have been wars before. Well guess what, there has been peace before as well. What are you trying to say?
        • CaptainZipTie, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4I think you need to do some more research on Israel, never before in world history has one single nation been so unanimously hated by the Arabs before it even became a nation, there is reason behind Israel's madness self defense.
          Oh the poor Palestinians you might say, they are copping a raw deal here. Go punch the biggest guy at a bar, chances are he will retaliate. The Palestinians have been deliberately provoking Israel for years, and all of a sudden its Israel's fault when they defend themselves.
          That is not to say that I think the violence in the middle east is warranted, its just that in this case it cuts both ways.
          Unfortunately since neither side is willing to back down I foresee no peace in the middle east.
          • anonymiau, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Yeah, like, who would have thought it would become a problem when imperialist power Britain gave away a bunch of land that didn't belong to them in the first place without consulting ANY of the arab neighbors and just planted Israel on the map. Who would have thought the crazy religious regime of Israel waging non stop war on all their neighbors ever since would create resentment

            Oh poor little atomic power Israel backed by the entire western world and governed by a bunch of endtime-lunatics. I feel so ***** sorry for them not getting their land God-chosen land without a fight.

            The "Israel is just defending itself" crowd are a bunch of idiots. Israel has been expanding its territory for 60 years and they still do. But American morons don't understand this. No wonder, they think they are just "defending themselves" in ***** Iraq.

            The US and Israel are a couple of nasty religious bullies trying to control the world. Everyone else is just defending themselves.
          • CaptainZipTie, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1You are still so so wrong, PALESTINE, JORDAN, SYRIA, and LEBANON. All declared war on Israel some days after they were declared an independent nation, their aim, to push Israel into the sea. Israel were clearly the lesser power in that situation. Despite the best efforts of the surrounding nations Israel has continued to thrive. I guess they did have to fight to obtain their "God-chosen land". Instead of laying down and taking it they made the best of their situation (again sometimes not in the ways they should have I will agree).
            As for Imperialist Britain owning the land, I think you will find that yes they did own some small tracts of land in Palestine, and hence were able to give it to Israel for the formation of their new nation.
            I call BS on Israel still expanding their territory, I recall a few years back a huge celebration in Palestine when a section of the Gaza strip was given back to the Palestinians. Israel had to fight its own people to give that land back.
            Religious war? Well the closest the world ever came to Nuclear war was during the Yom Kippur war, where the same few nations as mentioned above this time including Egypt attacked Israel on a holy day, for the Palestinians and other surrounding Arab nations this is just as much about Religion as it is for Israel, so that point is moot.
            And onto the personal insults, well I guess I am an idiot that I don't take the media bias on the whole situation and can stand back and look at the situation as a whole, making my own decisions as I go. I do NOT agree with everything that Israel has done, and continues to do, but I do feel that they are being unfairly slammed for things that clearly are not what the media paint them to be.

            and some articles to back up my claims:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel's_unilateral_d ...
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_of_indepe ...
            Thank you and goodnight
          • anonymiau, on 04/15/2008, -1/+0Of course they did. If the Chinese decided to give Louisiana to Arabs, and several hundred thousand arabs started pouring in under Chinese protection and threats of war, do you think Americans in the area would stay peaceful and welcome their new arab overlords? Like hell they would. The place would be a nuclear holocaust in a matter of minutes. Like I said, the Brits through the UN gave away the entire state of Israel without consulting ANY neighbors. They stole it. Plain and simple. Things like that have a tendency to annoy people.
          • CaptainZipTie, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1So it was never Israels decision in the first place. They were just happy to have been given some land, just as Arabs would no doubt be happy to be given a piece of America.

            With that I think this discussion has run its course, lets just agree to disagree.
    • e36wheelman, on 04/13/2008, -8/+1Best

      Comment

      EVAR!!11!!!
    • GhengisKhan, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2DUH!!!
  • Schleiden, on 04/13/2008, -15/+67The chilling irony of it... May justice bring peace to her family, and deal swiftly with the scum responsible.
    • daRoach, on 04/13/2008, -12/+81It's not very ironic, as seen throughout history. Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered.
      • mali1, on 04/13/2008, -34/+9Are you comparing a hitchhiker to those great people (with the exception of Lennon)?
        • Chachuka, on 04/13/2008, -5/+18You look for one thing. That is why you suffer. (and get buried, bitch!)
          • mali1, on 04/13/2008, -3/+8Why is Lennon so goddamn historically important? He was only a rockstar. You just can't compare Lennon to Jesus, MLK and Ghandi.
          • emjaymj, on 04/13/2008, -9/+4Why is Jesus so important? He wasn't even real.
        • Chachuka, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Well, I wasn't even talking about John Lennon. But damn, he definitely suffered less delusion than you.

          I just compared you to John Lennon. (lol)
      • neuromachine, on 04/13/2008, -6/+65I don't think Malcolm X was very peaceful in his approach.
        • ElvenLemming, on 04/13/2008, -3/+43It was when he tried to become peaceful that he was murdered.
        • jmoh, on 04/13/2008, -4/+4He didn't try to become peaceful, by that time he already was. Sorry, seemed as though your were implying he was on the path to peace, but in reality, by that stage of his life his message had already manifested itself into one of nonviolence.
      • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -3/+14.... Mama Cass - murdered: ham sandwich.
      • MortalynFlux, on 04/13/2008, -8/+3Da hemp-loving Roach in my kitchen: murdered
        • MortalynFlux, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Really, you should see the Texas-sized roaches. They deserve a horrible death just for being so ugly (and in my kitchen).
      • mmortal03, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2You forgot about all the good, visionary people in history who weren't murdered.
      • LeonidasStokely, on 04/13/2008, -2/+13Lennon was a rock star with a vastly over inflated ego who thought because he was some kind of modern 'god' he could change the world, cf Bono, Bob Geldoff, Madonna and the rest of the patronising brigade. That's not to say that any small effort is not helpful, but these people do less than they are credited for, removing the spotlight from the real heroes; the people who are working tirelessly 'behind the scenes'.

        And they do my nut in. 'Give us your ***** money'. GET OFF MY ***** TELLY!
      • fusen, on 04/13/2008, -0/+8hahahahaha, you're joking right? you're comparing real people to Jesus...
        • UniverseJDJ, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3Thank you for making me laugh today.
        • danisth, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Do you really think that there was a book written about a totally fictional person? Because whether or not you believe jesus was really the son of god or not does not mean you shouldn't believe that he was a real person who did great things in his time (made mythical through time and retelling).
      • CharlesDance, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2.....Ronald Reagan, flesh wound.
        • Silentnite85, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1"Tear down this wall" *Headbutt*

          "Don't worry he'll tire himself out"
      • SuperWinner, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2jebus = myth, and a pagan myth at that. look it up if you don't believe me.
        http://www.bibleinterp.com/commentary/gandy_011701 ...
    • Lionhart, on 04/13/2008, -8/+3That's not ironic it's just coincidental!
      • LeonidasStokely, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1True but probably beside the point.
    • deadmann, on 04/13/2008, -8/+5You have to laugh. Almost as much as when George Clooney gets mugged in Africa.
    • Pillage, on 04/13/2008, -0/+14seems like her hypothesis turned out to be incorrect.
    • computergod, on 04/13/2008, -2/+5"She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people."

      The irony is deafening.
    • tdave365, on 04/13/2008, -3/+1-- Yet it doesn't demonstrate that we have to have dumb wars, like Iraq.
    • catacuta, on 04/13/2008, -3/+0don't worry. The animal who did this got caught and will get what he deserves
      • SuperWinner, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3Oh yeah all my worrying ceased the second you told me that, like there aren't 400 million other murderers out that who just haven't been caught yet...
    • robthom, on 04/13/2008, -6/+4She was asking for it. Watch you goddamn step in other peoples cultures. I dont want hippies marching through my neighborhood with their art/protests either.
    • Changa, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1We need to start a war to retaliate against his murder!
  • RavagesOfTime, on 04/13/2008, -10/+235The sad part is she probably had her loved ones telling her that this would happen. Hell, she may have known deep down herself.

    We're a sad species.
    • Alegoo92, on 04/13/2008, -0/+17Well she didn't pick one of those nice-little "depend on the kindness of strangers" places
    • haus34, on 04/13/2008, -0/+9more often than not, the only faith in humanity is that they will do the wrong thing the majority of the time
      its very sad how one person who has hopes for our species is proven wrong
      • drakke1, on 04/13/2008, -2/+0It's true, dysfunction to a lesser, or as in this case, greater, degree is rampant in the species. Kind people project the undeserved presence of kindness onto others automatically, i've noticed. Among other problems this type of projection creates is "voting" psychopaths into office in the US because they are such (seemingly) "good people".
      • ennwarenn, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Not true haus, IMHO. If it were, she would have been gone long before she left Italy. Violence gets the headline - but she made it work for 100% of the lead up to her death. Her plan might not have been realistic. But neither is your assumption that 'badness' is common place.
    • retawd, on 04/13/2008, -8/+12It's soooo true. Can you name any other animals that would kill?? I can't. Just humans. The only species that kills... yup!
      • Zarokima, on 04/13/2008, -4/+12Name any animal that eats meat.

        Congratulations, you have just named a species that kills!
        • trickyt, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4Won't someone please think of the plants!!
        • DephexTwin, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4Congratulations, you have just taken the scenic route to the punchline of the joke!
      • SwiftKick34, on 04/13/2008, -0/+16I'm glad my sarcasm detector is working today because that one almost got me.
      • Sirlolalot, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Dolphins, they kill porpoises and play a sort of tennis for sport.
    • AbsurdParadox, on 04/13/2008, -2/+11I've never killed anyone. Have you? Cut this "we" *****.
      • orph3us, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4are you human? that makes you one of us... even the craziest people in the world are human, it's sad that we can so easily get so detached
        • trickyt, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2We're all made of jumbles of molecules too. Woe are we jumbles of molecules, we're a sad lot.
          • DephexTwin, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2I thought we were ugly bags of mostly water.
          • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0I'm a hot bag of mostly water.
    • pacman122, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7She deserves the Darwin award for this stunt
    • stfucupcake, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1dugg down for speculation.
    • SuperWinner, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2hippies, lol
  • chubbybubba, on 04/13/2008, -83/+417While she certainly did not deserve to die, her naive foolishness led her down that road. You don't jump into a shark tank then blame the shark for biting your head off. Digg me down if you want but the truth is, she was stupid.
    • greenlight2001, on 04/13/2008, -5/+271I'm pretty certain you CAN blame the dick head who killed her.
      • vault, on 04/13/2008, -5/+68Of course you can and that's whose fault it is, but she did put herself in harm's way to prove a point.
        • therealgt, on 04/13/2008, -1/+25Yeha the point was, you can't automatically trust people, especially if you're in a vulnerable situation. Like being a lone, foreign woman in Turkey, for example. "who's going to miss her?" the guy was probably thinking. ***** pathetic.
        • Elissar, on 04/13/2008, -1/+8She set out to prove people are truly kind-natured. Hobbes - 1, Descart - 0
    • pinguwin, on 04/13/2008, -28/+34Turkey not a country that I would describe as a "shark tank". Syria and Israel are pretty peaceful. In 2001 (when I was in the middle east) people were going to the West Bank & Gaza without problems, though Gaza might be different today. I will not call this woman stupid and yes, I did digg you down.
      • phybere, on 04/13/2008, -2/+36I don't think it matters what country you're in or how safe that country is, hitch-hiking is probably the least safe form of travel... Hence, jumping into the shark tank.
      • thailand1972, on 04/13/2008, -2/+19She was wearing a bridal gown all the way through her hitch-hike. To me hitch-hiking alone as a female wearing a bridal gown is pretty much building your own shark tank, filling it with water, buyings some sharks, then leaping into it.
      • knde, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2The entire planet can be considered a shark tank.

    • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -13/+2I dugg you down for pointing out the painfully obvious. 3 times.
      • RSterkenburg, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3I dugg YOU down because all the cool kids are doing it.
    • foofightrs777, on 04/13/2008, -8/+1***** sapien != Carcharodon carcharias

      ...or at least I hope...
    • wootup, on 04/13/2008, -37/+98"Digg me down if you want but the truth is, she was stupid."

      No she wasn't. 99.99% of people you meet in the world will not try to kill or rape you; most people are generally good, and if they harbour some type of bias towards your race/gender/sexuality/religion/whatever, they will generally keep it to themselves. So I really don't see how this woman was "stupid"; she went on an adventure, and did so with benevolent intentions in mind. What's stupid about that? If you are you suggesting that the Middle East is inherently unsafe (some parts certainly are), keep in mind that many Turkish cities have lower murder rates than many American cities, and that she was killed in the Western, European-like part of Turkey.

      The blame for this despicable murder lies ONE HUNDRED PERCENT on the hands of the scumbag who raped and killed her. Your logic - "she jumped into the shark tank" - merely shifts the blame onto the victim, not unlike apologists for rape who argue that a woman "had it coming" if she wore revealing clothing or a short skirt. Totally despicable and dishonest argument.
      • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -17/+4I didn't read your whole post here..... but yeah, yeah she was.
      • judsond, on 04/13/2008, -4/+29There is a difference between committing a crime, and participating in stupid actions. The crime was 100% committed by the murderer of course, but hitchhiking alone though a foreign country is stupid. If you don't see how hitchhiking alone though a foreign country is stupid I don't know what to say. Yes of course there are places in America that are more dangerous, it would likewise be even more stupid to hitchhike alone there.

        The moral of this is that hitchhiking alone is stupid. It's not despicable or dishonest at all. It would be a wonderful world if we could all wander through it without a care in the world, or a lock on a door, but that's not the world we live in. Again, so people don't get confused, the *blame* lies with the criminal, but when a person doesn't take even a normal amount of effort to protect their own safety public opinion will always veer towards blaming the victim, fair or not.
        • wootup, on 04/13/2008, -11/+7"hitchhiking alone though a foreign country is stupid"

          Have you ever hitchhiked through a foreign country or are you just making this up because the culture of fear has you so terrified of the world? Get outside your bubble, the world isn't so bad. :)

          People have a right to go wherever they want, wearing whatever they want, by whatever method they want, without being raped and murdered. Period.
          • Viral, on 04/13/2008, -1/+7I think part of the problem is when you aren't familiar with local customs, or language for that matter. Hitchhiking anywhere by yourself can be at least tricky, and if it's somewhere culturally different than what you're used to I think you begin to approach stupid. If it's your only option, fine, but by choice? And for a publicity stunt?
        • Latentsage, on 04/13/2008, -1/+7Of course they have a right to. That doesn't mean they can.
        • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -1/+8Of course they can, that doesn't mean they won't get murdered.
      • rancor01, on 04/13/2008, -3/+19"No she wasn't. 99.99% of people you meet in the world will not try to kill or rape you;"

        I'm guessing you've never been to Detroit...
        • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Ha!
        • Marta313, on 04/13/2008, -1/+5Hey this life-long Detroiter resents that comment. Most people who live here are hard-working, honest, non-criminal folks. As long as you don't count the Mayor, or the city council, or most of city government, or the people who live in the crack house down the street. Oh, nevermind. :)
          • Silentnite85, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Hey look at it this way Detroit. Your not Flint.
      • WocCixelsyd, on 04/13/2008, -5/+23"No she wasn't. 99.99%..."
        I immediately stopped reading your comment after said that. I can't stand people who pull statistics out of their ass for a point. I'm aware that this is ad hominem but that is what I think. As for the woman, I think she was incredibly naive and far too trusting in her fellow man.
        • smotpoker, on 04/13/2008, -7/+1"I immediately stopped reading your comment after said that."

          I immediately stopped reading your post after you said *THAT*. It indicates you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and have no right to open your mouth since any response you might make is ill-informed
        • ffttoteof, on 04/13/2008, -6/+1"I immediately stopped reading your post..."

          I immediately stopped reading your message after you said that.
          • DephexTwin, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7I didn't read any posts that anyone wrote, nor the article! I don't even know what we're talking about!
      • thailand1972, on 04/13/2008, -2/+12"....not unlike apologists for rape who argue that a woman "had it coming" if she wore revealing clothing or a short skirt"

        If I leave a brick of $100 dollar notes on a busy footpath, I don't expect it to be there the next day. It's like you're oblivious to the idea of PREVENTING a crime by eliminating the opportunity of it. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" but people are people, and if you present the opportunity of a crime, hey - it just might occur.
      • orph3us, on 04/13/2008, -3/+3as somene who has dealt with mental illness let me tell you that an insane person has no concept of good and evil (although to be insane IS to be evil IMO their mental illness may have helped them become evil)... it takes an insane person to kill someone in cold blood... can goodness fight that dark of a mental illness/evil? I don't think so... Only modern medicine can help them out of insanity. After they are able to listen, then maybe someone like this woman could have helped. Tragic loss but a reminder that you can't trust a stranger 100%.
      • agimat, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1[ What's stupid about that? ]
        Well, duhh?
      • wpyh, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3Quote: Your logic - "she jumped into the shark tank" ...

        I'd say jumping into a shark tank is pretty safe in itself. What this woman did was analogical to jumping into a shark tank with deep bleeding cuts on her chest, arms and legs.

        Yes, the murderer committed a crime, but this crime could have been prevented by her not doing what she did.
      • giskard88, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Yes the murderer is responsible for her death, but she was responsible for her own safety. It was her life to risk, but not her mother and father have to bury their daughter, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who puts themselves in this kind of danger is responsible for the suffering it inflicts on Their loved ones.
      • blackjack75, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5If 99.99% of the people won't kill you it still means one out 10'000 people will try to kill you. Apparently, that's what happened.
        • Hylo, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1I'm with you on this, Blackjack...
          Couldn't have it put it better myself
    • therealgt, on 04/13/2008, -6/+49Stupid to trust her fellow humans, that's for damn sure. I know I don't trust any ***** one of you. And I wouldn't expect anyone to fully trust me either. We're all human, all capable of evil.
    • gryphon50, on 04/13/2008, -0/+8wherever you go, there are going to be bad people....I don't consider her "dumb" necessarily, but obviously she was very naive and trusting. Many times, people like that have such good hearts themselves that they see that in other people, even if it doesn't exist.
      • HowitZer25, on 04/13/2008, -3/+4More like a holier than thou attitude by her. The way to make a difference in this world is by completing your own personal mission not involving other people. This lady wanted to change everyone to make them nice like her. I can easily see people taking offense to her.
        • pagno, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3Taking offense to her? And that justifies her death? Look, "hippies" annoy me too, but Im not about to kill them. This is tragic, and unfortunately, proves her wrong, that you cant trust your "neighbor". Only thing I can think, is she told the person that picked her up about her agenda, and he/she had a twisted sense of humor. Thats ***** up, but then again, he was obviously a nutjob. You cant blame her for believing.
    • evodude, on 04/13/2008, -10/+7Stupid kills. Every time.
      • nedev, on 04/13/2008, -3/+3She was born stupid, being a dick was your choice.
    • ChromaVita, on 04/13/2008, -2/+11I don't like your metaphor. It's more like she jumped into the ocean to prove it wasn't just a big shark tank, and then got bit by a shark. Yes it is ironic, and call me a naive optimist, but the world isn't a shark tank.
      • pagno, on 04/13/2008, -1/+7There are psychopaths everywhere(Im one of them!). How do you know that today isnt your day? To die, that is. You dont.

        Its ***** irony. Bittersweet mistress that she is.
        • ChromaVita, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2Yes there are psychopaths in the world, but there are also sharks in the ocean. That doesn't make it a shark tank. There are plenty of other non-shark animals. Plenty of really nice fish. And killer whales and stuff too. They probably won't eat you. I think this metaphor is dead...
    • walkea1, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4I still think that there world can be good, maybe just hitchhiking isn't the way to go about making that happen.
    • decyx, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4It would have been tragic (or more so) if she took a path through typically safe areas, but if she deliberately put herself in danger by entering places she shouldn't have, then, well, I wouldn't even consider that news. Since the article doesn't go into detail about this, I think it's unfair for anyone to judge her. It's all just conjecture until we have some solid facts. Also, is it me or did all the racists from the Texas girl story just migrate here, because a lot of people are just talking out of their ass. Turkey =/= Iraq.
      • steeeeve, on 04/13/2008, -1/+0She WAS killed in a typically safe area.
        • giskard88, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2typically safe to travel in does not mean typically safe to hitchhike in as a woman (yes, some people see women as targets) with a language barrier. Hell, I'd never hitchhike anywhere, doing it in the middle east is just plain dumb.
    • colonelbuckshot, on 04/13/2008, -9/+8I'm sorry, she was a guilty white liberal do-gooder par excellence. She wanted to feel good about herself by performing this "one world" "lets all hold hands" worldview that is so grossly ignorant of the diversity of peoples and their mentalities and cultures. Wouldn't surprise me if she planned to adopt an Arab baby to "rescue" and raise in Milan.
    • Marta313, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5Many people said the same thing about Viola Liuzzo in 1965. That she put herself in harm's way and she was stupid for doing what she did and deserved to be murdered. She should have stayed home and been a good little woman instead of going off to Alabama and getting involved in things that didn't concern her. If you are unfamiliar with the name, look it up on Google.
      • giskard88, on 04/13/2008, -1/+3Viola Liuzzo had a well defined political goal, was well aware of the risks and decided it was worth it. this girl had a flower power ideal and a whole lot of naivety
    • zlimness, on 04/13/2008, -1/+8No you're right actually. In an ideal world, there would be no raping or killing at all. Women would be able to travel alone and to any place in the world without any problem at all.

      But this is the real world. If someone asked me what would happen to a female artists, dressed up like a bride who wanted to hitchhike through the middle-east to show the goodness in people, I would say that she would probably be raped and killed for even having the balls to exist on the same planet as these men. Women have been raped and killed for less. Do I like this kind of world? Hell no. I hope her death in some way raise awareness on the issue. All Im saying is that Im in no way surprised. Anyone with a reality check saw this coming.
      • wpyh, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1Women doesn't have balls IMO.

        OK, that's beside the point. But I agree with what you're saying here. She was literally asking for it.
    • CharlesDance, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4If the sharks said, "yeah, you can hop on my back and come for a ride", then ate her, they would be to blame.
      • RSterkenburg, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Was that supposed to pertain to the comment?
    • Bodhinature, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2She was naive. And she was confusing harmony with peace. We can have a world without war, but there will always be petty violence.
    • FongoBongo, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2Way to pass judgment on a situation you know nothing about. Maybe she took the right precautions, I doubt she jumped into anyone's car, I would assume she has enough common sense sense and logic to make rational decisions. We don't know how this happened or the circumstances of her murder. Maybe she was kidnapped/raped/killed by some drunkard acting on impulse. Who knows...But you are the one being stupid by jumping to conclusions, thats a fact.
  • plup, on 04/13/2008, -15/+6Part of a Turkish Movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLOicRpkZoQ -- which is an awful example of coincidence.
    • phybere, on 04/13/2008, -6/+3Unscrambling some of the letters in that URL, I see "Rick ROL" - coincidence? I think not.
    • computergod, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2Nice find.
  • MurphyWatson, on 04/13/2008, -26/+59I'm not seeing the irony here, seems pretty typical.
    • neuromachine, on 04/13/2008, -13/+6Irony =/= atypical
    • Hipple, on 04/13/2008, -12/+20I'm not sure you know what irony means...
    • batman1211, on 04/13/2008, -1/+37I completely agree.
      Irony - an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
      This is a completely foreseeable outcome when people put themselves in dangerous situations.
      • huckleup, on 04/13/2008, -5/+3It's ironic because she was promoting peace and got murdered. One wouldn't expect that. It's not as if just anyone that goes to Turkey should expect to be murdered for no reason. It's not like she was promoting murder, or for that matter promoting anything controversial.
        • adoggz, on 04/13/2008, -1/+10no, it would be ironic if she promoted peace and then murdered someone.
          • huckleup, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4No, that would be hypocritical.
            From WordNet:
            ironic: "characterized by often poignant difference or incongruity between what is expected and what actually is; "madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker"; "it was ironical that the well-planned scheme failed so completely"
          • Trammel, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2In this case hypocritical does not display ironic. They are not mutually exclusive.
          • adoggz, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1i agree, it is also hypocritical.
    • whahaa, on 04/13/2008, -0/+21last summer, my parents told me i was going to have to go to basketball camp. i didn't want to go to basketball camp, so i ran away from home and got on the first bus i saw. unfortunately, that bus took me to basketball camp. oh the irony.
    • TLAKABM, on 04/13/2008, -2/+4It's impossible to have a discussion about the meaning of irony, because people refuse to believe that wikipedia could be wrong.


      Irony is about meaning. It's always been about meaning. Something isn't ironic unless there is some kind of double meaning.

      It is not about expectations.
      • brettmurf, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4Her purpose: Spread message of trust and the kindness of humanity.
        Her result: Message spread about humanity sucking through the BBC and probably other mainstream media outlets.
        I would have to agree that the expectations may have been there, but the actual meaning behind the events is ironic.
    • LeonidasStokely, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1Although this is accurate, truth is not just about accuracy, but relevance. The discussion of irony is drastically irrelevant here.
    • SuperWinner, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Its more of a happenstance...
    • DCMacHead, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Sounds like we've got a Darwin Award candidate for 2008.
  • pilzburybizkit, on 04/13/2008, -18/+33Humans suck!
  • jumbalia, on 04/13/2008, -9/+204hitchhiking in the middle east is dangerous and stupid enough, but to do it while dressed like a bride... wtf was she thinking! Clearly these women knew nothing about the culture of the area.
    • chillypacman, on 04/13/2008, -3/+7clearly because they all are willing to kill western women on site....

      Heh, she should have started her journey in the US, I wonder what the news reports would read like if she were murdered.
      • jolifam77, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4would've made the local news, that's about it.
      • giskard88, on 04/13/2008, -1/+0No, most of them wouldn't kill westerners on site, but it only takes one. not because of some religious issue, but because they're clearly vulnerable and far from help.
    • gryphon50, on 04/13/2008, -4/+7in some really patriarchal cultures, the idea is that good women stay at home. If a woman out by herself, she is seen as asking for it, essentially. She is considered too forward, independent, sexually adventurous, or whatever. Meanwhile the men are seen as "not being able to help themselves" sexually so that justifies whatever they do.
      • theone3, on 04/13/2008, -1/+8Not in Turkey. In most of the Middle East, women go out by themselves all the time. Especially in Egypt, Turkey, etc. These weird societies only exist in a few countries - Saudi, UAE, Yemen, Oman, etc.
        • OfNumbers, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2Funny how one of those weird societies you listed provides 75%+ of America's oil. At $125.
      • nzanjani, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1women are actually treated pretty well in turkey. keep in mind that turkey was the first country in the world to allow women to vote (i.e. implement universal suffrage).
    • Henwood, on 04/13/2008, -1/+5Yeah, but just because she offended their culture doesn't mean she should be killed.
    • alcibiade, on 04/13/2008, -1/+5Yeah...everybody know Americans never kill people...ever.
      • muzy, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1haha, LOL love your post, = ***** America, and ***** this women, she deserve it,
    • steeeeve, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1You think it would not have happened if she wasn't dressed like that?
    • smartass007, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1it's called being an attention whore
    • nzanjani, on 04/13/2008, -1/+0what the hell does the middle east have to do with this? have you ever been there? as a male, I would feel WAY more comfortable hitching through the middle east than just about ANYWHERE in the USA. the problem was that she was a woman alone. I firmly believe that this would've played out the EXACT same way just about anywhere in the world...
      • Yazilliclick, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1How can you ask 'what does the middle east have to do with this?' as if it's wrong to associate the two and then prove why they should be associated in your continued argument? Please re-read what you posted, think about it, then come to the realization that you actually agree and are not disagreeing.
  • felman87, on 04/13/2008, -30/+7Lol
  • Rizmaster, on 04/13/2008, -33/+11That's not ironic. It's just coincidental.
    • pixelskew, on 04/13/2008, -5/+7pretty sure there's irony in there:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Situational_iro ...
      • DeadlyAlpaca, on 04/13/2008, -5/+11No, there isn't.

        Irony is when the opposite of what was expected occurs. You expect to be in some danger when hitchhiking in the Middle East.

        It'd be ironic if she survived THIS but then was murdered hitchhiking in Vatican City.
        • sephiroth965, on 04/13/2008, -4/+3Okay, she was expecting to NOT be killed. She WAS killed. That is irony.
          • jmpeagle, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2it's ironic for her but not for us...there problem solved
        • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -3/+2WHO gives a *****.
        • LokitheComplex, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1YOU expect danger in the Middle East.
          SHE expected peace and understanding.
          It would only be ironic if she was murdered in the Vatican if she was on a peace mission to the Vatican.
    • seanc6610, on 04/13/2008, -4/+25***** i knew this was coming. whenever anything on digg mentions irony at all, everyone's an irony expert.
      there is definitely irony here, as this was the exact opposite of what she expected and was trying to prove.
      • DeadlyAlpaca, on 04/13/2008, -8/+3Is it what you expected?
        • LokitheComplex, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Ironically I don't think they get your irony.
      • Rizmaster, on 04/13/2008, -3/+4Yes, the opposite of what SHE expected to happen did transpire, but the point is that she was crazy to begin with. If I decide to get into my car, gun it to 90 without a seatbelt on then hit the brakes to prove that seat belts are *****, my flying through the windshield isn't ironic at all, because my original hypothesis was horribly flawed.

        Her entire premise was idiotic, thus her death isn't ironic.
      • TLAKABM, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4The confusion arises from 'situational irony'.
        Situational irony came from a misunderstanding of what irony actually is.

        So now we have this 'type' of irony that is not actually ironic in the original sense of the word, and when people claim something is ironic they are often referring to this 'situational irony'.


        That said, the story is ironical.

        The irony is that her 'journey to demonstrate that people are kind and trustworthy' actually demonstrated the opposite. The conveyed meaning was the opposite of the intended meaning.

        This is why it is ironic.

        IT IS NOT IRONIC BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS CONTRARY TO WHAT SHE EXPECTED.

        Irony is about meaning, not expectations.
    • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -5/+0Ur lame.
    • bxblox, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2There is plenty of irony.
    • Vodka2389, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4Yeah she would be just as likely to be murdered hitchhiking in Sweden. It's quite a coincidence.
  • Gloogle, on 04/13/2008, -14/+8Thats pretty sad. I trust the locals pretty much myself where I live. But I know danger when I see it, and I've seen this kid looking at my new nikes, thats a big nono.
    • Gloogle, on 04/13/2008, -8/+4Let me make it clear for you the guy told me how he killed a cat with a tube, he hit it 7 times before it died. Ok...
      • therealgt, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2Not sure what your'e trying to say here? Similar to the "genocide is like a cheese sandwich" quote - never got that one either.
    • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -7/+1Where do you live? Not cuz I want to know or anything....
      • Gloogle, on 04/13/2008, -2/+3Dom. Rep.
        • lodgelinks, on 04/13/2008, -1/+0Is that dominican republic? I lived there for a while. Sabana Grande de Boya. Interesting place, nice people there, except for a few anyways.
    • haikuFU, on 04/13/2008, -4/+0You should rape him.
    • TecK415, on 04/13/2008, -0/+15Everything above this comment= Fail.
  • RadiatedAnt, on 04/13/2008, -18/+5Kittehs
  • Typhoon2009, on 04/13/2008, -37/+14RELIGION OF PEACE
  • DesertDude, on 04/13/2008, -21/+43I always found it amusing when humans would call a violent, uncivilized person an "animal". Morally, animals are better than humans. They operate on their programmed instinct, whereas some (which can amount to tens of billions throughout history) humans consciously choose to make living creatures die and suffer. A concentrated, conscious, thought-out, planned and determined choice.
    • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -4/+2That's not so amusing.
    • lazyfisherman, on 04/13/2008, -3/+3The lion who kills is hunting for food. The human who kills... ???
      • combatchuck, on 04/13/2008, -1/+3Hunting infidels!
      • JohnFlux, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1Cats play with mice just for fun.
      • 955701, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1Actually a male lion WILL kill for reasons other than food. There are documented cases of lions kills cubs to free up a female to breed again, as well as killing hyena's to send a message to the rest of a pack. Chimpanzees go on raids of other groups' territory.
        Despite what is commonly parroted, there are other species which kill without provocation and kill without eating their prey.
    • Alegoo92, on 04/13/2008, -6/+1Your 'finding it amusing' just shows that you're arrogant. And you don't compare instinct to rationalization: you just don't.
      If you do, you'll end up being wrong.
      • DesertDude, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5"And you don't compare instinct to rationalization: you just don't. "

        So an animal that kills because it has to is the same as a human who kills because he wants to? An animal killing to survive is the same as a human killing to hide a rape crime? Yeah, you don't compare the two because human would really, REALLY pale in comparison.
    • therealgt, on 04/13/2008, -4/+5Agreed. In many ways the animals are more noble than we will ever become.
    • Malevolant, on 04/13/2008, -6/+3I've thought the same thing on many occasions. Don't expect to be anything other than buried by the mindless drones in these parts. Tha same ones burying you, for pointing out how animals kill for purpose juxtaposed against how man kills, are the same ones who want people killed for mistreating animals, in many digg stories. ***** hypocrites for life, they are.
    • Vodka2389, on 04/13/2008, -3/+1Animals are simpler and less intelligent than humans. Nothing is going through their head other than eating, not getting eaten, and humping. That makes them more noble?
      • eyepatch100, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Yes, for thought is the ultimate crime.
        • LokitheComplex, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Explain?
          • Kyan, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1In a world where thinking "the wrong way" is becoming the politics du jour, people who refrain from thinking are less likely to commit crimes. Animals hardly think at all, so they are going to commit even fewer thought crimes. Hence, in comparing animal and human societies, it is clear the animals' society has less crime. Therefore, they are better.

            For example, animals do not express the opinion their leader is leading a stupid war. Doing so is clearly a crime, one so grave it makes the offending person "un-patriotic" and even perhaps colluding with "the enemy". Animals don't do this. They hump.
    • nhand42, on 04/13/2008, -3/+26"Morally, animals are better than humans."

      Really? I suppose if you have a warped sense of morals.

      A cat will break the back of a mouse then toy with the terrified creature for hours before (finally) delivering the death blow. The cat doesn't do this for survival but instead for amusement. Often the cat won't even eat the tortured animal.

      A male lion who discovers a competing pride in its territory will fight with the dominant male. The winning male kills every child cub in the defeated pride before taking the female lions as the "spoils of war".

      Approximately 15% of male swans are homosexual. Female swans will forcefully mate with unwilling gay couples (i.e. rape) and leave the eggs to the gay couple to raise (i.e. child abandonment). I don't think homosexuality is immoral but almost certainly some Diggers would.

      I'm not even going to go near the insect kingdom. The wholesale depravity of insects is enough to turn your stomach.

      So to claim other species of the animal kingdom are more moral than humans is simply retarded. If the claim is measured by human standards of morality then it can only display a complete ignorance of what actually happens in the animal kingdom.

      The more intelligent position to take is that we cannot apply human standards of morality to other animals. We have no idea what a pigeon thinks is moral or is immoral. To claim that pigeons are more moral than humans is therefore a nonsensical statement.
      • eyepatch100, on 04/13/2008, -2/+8Logic and reason, FTW.
      • schrankage, on 04/13/2008, -0/+6Animals may commit atrocities, but for an animal there is most likely no contemplation of morality. So, animals cannot willfully abandon moral behavior, whereas humans can. Still, what is moral is still being debated, so maybe her killers felt justified and morally upright in her murder since she was a bride unaccompanied by her husband, or was wearing white on Tuesday, or any other arbitrary reason.
        • nhand42, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4"but for an animal there is most likely no contemplation of morality."

          We have no idea if they have morals or not. To assume they do not is plain human arrogance.

          "so maybe her killers felt justified and morally upright in her murder since she was a bride unaccompanied by her husband, or was wearing white on Tuesday, or any other arbitrary reason."

          Or maybe the killers were just criminals, like the 1000s of criminals in the United States who commit murder every year. But don't let your bigotry against foreign countries cloud your judgement.
          • schrankage, on 04/13/2008, -3/+1Don't let your criminal bigotry cloud yours.
        • bloosteak, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1maybe the killers were mentally ill? morality is taught anyways.
        • frazw, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Morality is simply a societal consensus on how members should behave. Since animals have society I think they have morals and ethics too (there is evidence monkeys certainly do). Watch some programs following an animal community and you start to see similarities with our societies.
          • schrankage, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1Do viruses and bacteria have morals? No, how do we know? They lack the brain capacity, as would insects and other small-brained creatures.. we do know a lot about animals, let's not feign ignorance.
      • plach72, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1A simple point----
        I don't know if it's denial or ignorance here, but human beings ARE animals.
        Just a reminder: We are members of the Animal kingdom, in the class of Mammalia, and the order of Primates---------------------------just like the apes-------------

        So before we get too judgemental, or practice too much anthromorphism----remember we are animals too. And now I will fill in a box with text to prove I am human so that this post will appear.

        • nhand42, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2"I don't know if it's denial or ignorance here, but human beings ARE animals."

          No kidding, moron. Read what I wrote because it's impossible to interpret my last two paragraphs as saying anything other than humans are animals within the animal kingdom. You fail.
      • MiddleOfNowhere, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2With all due respect, but applying the moral standards of an intelligent species to the actions of other, non-intelligent species is not exactly smart or honest.
        The cat playing for hours with the caught mouse doesn't do this because it is sadistic (as in: consciously brutal), but because "training" with prey is hardwired behaviour in cats of all sizes (you don't have to like it, and if you saw your cat doing this, you should by all means intervene, because the cat gets probably gets enough food and doesn't need its hunting skills).
        Same with the lion killing his competitor’s offspring: This is not a conscious decision with a few dozen alternatives at hand; it's evolution (which digg normally and rightfully defends) ensuring the survival of the fittest.
        • nhand42, on 04/13/2008, -1/+0"With all due respect, but applying the moral standards of an intelligent species to the actions of other, non-intelligent species is not exactly smart or honest."

          Reading comprehension is obviously a rare skill on Digg. Read this sentence I wrote and to which you replied:

          "The more intelligent position to take is that we cannot apply human standards of morality to other animals."

          Then ask yourself if your comment was necessary.
    • frazw, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1We seem very quick to notice that bad things we do in life and not so fast to notice the good. I resent the implication that I, being a member of the human race, am inherently evil. One person saving a life gets less media attention than someone murdering another. It only takes one murderer in a thousand people and we think humanity is going down the ***** while we ignore the fact that the other 999 are not murderers.

      I believe in the general goodness of humanity but perception can quite easily be twisted allowing good people to do bad things (and still believe they are doing good). However a minority of people ARE simply evil.

      This woman was rather stupid but she didn't deserve what happened to her.
    • theutopian, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1Apparently you never seen chimps in the wild go to war with each other. They team up with opposing sides and battle it out.
    • lhbaker, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1There are monkeys which will happily eat other monkeys. And of course, there's the sea, where we all know everybody behaves tremendously well.
  • bluegem, on 04/13/2008, -53/+8owned. ***** dirty turks.
  • ginestony, on 04/13/2008, -37/+4Pics or it gets buried
  • ladyarcher85, on 04/13/2008, -7/+53To believe that another human is and won't kill or do you harm is not irony but stupidity in my book.
  • Rambeezle, on 04/13/2008, -34/+11She is just dumb and idealistic. This is liberalism par excellence.
    • RavagesOfTime, on 04/13/2008, -5/+8Yeah. Hoping people can better themselves. Stupid.
      • Rambeezle, on 04/13/2008, -9/+3Having hope is one thing, but this is stupidity. Would you make this trans-continental hitch hike? I didn't think so you little turd.
      • Rambeezle, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1I am earnestly curious to know why someone who wrote "Yeah. Hoping people can better themselves. Stupid" is being dug up. First of all it is grammatically incorrect. Second, it is incomprehensible. Third, the twerp that wrote it knows that he/she wouldn't take on such a task of hitch-hiking into the war torn middle east. Seriously, I know digg has a liberal bias, but why would you digg up the dumbest liberal?
    • lacronicus, on 04/13/2008, -1/+6IMO the world would be a better place if people were dumb and idealistic than smart, cynical, and self-centered.
  • Lokishot, on 04/13/2008, -15/+6The dangers of listening to too much Disney's movie.
  • kosmoX, on 04/13/2008, -12/+5It's like rain....
  • kraln, on 04/13/2008, -27/+8This is not irony. Irony is saying something the direct opposite of what you mean, ie "An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning."

    Please quit bastardizing the english language.
    • Aeonasphere, on 04/13/2008, -2/+10There are three types of irony if you've forgotten.

      The one you described is *verbal* irony. As the guy a few comments above said, this is a classic case of *situational* irony, where an outcome is different from what you'd expect.
      • Pake, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2I don't know. Considering the region, it was fairly expected. Personally, I just think we should kill the word "Irony" off since it's gotten to a point that it's hard to call something ironic anymore.
    • madfrogurt, on 04/13/2008, -2/+9dramatic irony
      –noun irony that is inherent in speeches or a situation of a drama and is understood by the audience but not grasped by the characters in the play.

      Please quit thinking you are the arbitrator of what words mean.
    • KenC411, on 04/13/2008, -1/+5"In modern usage it can also refer to particularly striking examples of incongruities observed in everyday life between what was intended or said and what actually happened." ~wikipedia
    • LokitheComplex, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2"Please quit bastardizing the english language."
      Are you being ironic?
  • dho331, on 04/13/2008, -31/+4I hope that Obama or Hillary is the next one to attempt to illustrate the kindness of the local people in these countries.
    • ThrstForKnwldge, on 04/13/2008, -3/+7I think Bush, Cheney, and Mccain should give it a try.
      • dho331, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Maybe they should in your eyes, but the likelihood is 100 times less.
    • kosmoX, on 04/13/2008, -1/+19Hillary almost died in Bosnia. Thank God she can dodge sniper fire...
  • ThrstForKnwldge, on 04/13/2008, -12/+16world peace lol good luck with that
  • HumanRecall, on 04/13/2008, -25/+6This is why we don't and shouldn't have nice things to say about the middle east or other ***** up parts of the world !! And they call us Barbarians!! The nerve !!
    • moolaismyfriend, on 04/13/2008, -3/+8Christian Conservatives are Barbarians. They say using a condom will send me straight to hell, and the best defense against AIDS is to not have sex at all.

      That is ***** barbaric.
      • kosmoX, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4Although, to be fair, the best defense against AIDS is abstinence. I'm not saying abstinence-only education is right, but that statement is true.
        • moolaismyfriend, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1yay and it total ignores everything that makes us who we are, that is why it is a barbaric statement and ideal.

    • Atomic1fire, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1well
      what better way to prevent someone from leaving then not creating a path in the first place...
  • staeiou, on 04/13/2008, -8/+62I predict that by the end of the day, there will be more comments arguing over the meaning of irony than ones which actually discuss the story.

    And no, that wouldn't be ironic. Just sad.
    • phybere, on 04/13/2008, -6/+5You're right, the poster definitely uses the word "irony" in the wrong way
      • jmpeagle, on 04/13/2008, -3/+2no he doesn't.
        • Elissar, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2Yes he does...wait...no, you're right, he didn't, sorry, I got all caught up there for a minute.
    • svetty, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Proof positive that digg is full of self-important douchebags.
  • JFallon126, on 04/13/2008, -11/+4Honestly, I'm not a hopeless romantic but someone tell me the scenario where someone kills this woman. There is NO ***** REASON...NONE...that I can think of for someone to kill her. Rob? Yes. Rape? Yes. But kill? I'm truly dumbfounded.
    • dho331, on 04/13/2008, -3/+9If you rape someone and you don't kill them, or if you kill someone and don't hide their body, you're 10 times more likely to be imprisoned. I think he followed criminal logic to the letter.
    • NuclearWookie, on 04/13/2008, -2/+11Duh. After you've robbed her and raped her, you must murder her so there isn't a witness to go whining to the cops.
      • haikuFU, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4Yes, and remember that if you store the body for any amount of time, you must keep it cold or it will smell and alert the neighbors. Kitchenaid makes a 1HP garbage disposal also. If you go slow, you could probably get the whole body down the drain. Mine crushes beef and chicken bones pretty good.
    • contradictator, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Says in the article she as naked when they found her.

      So technically, she was robbed of whatever she had on her... and rape is looking kinda likely...

      Man that's depressing.
    • karmaghost, on 04/13/2008, -1/+3She's different from them, that's all they needed to know to justify it in their own minds.
    • jmpeagle, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3so you think it is more intelligent to leave the one live witness to your crime? Jail isn't exactly fun in Turkey.
  • oatdc, on 04/13/2008, -8/+12and this is why humanity sucks :(
  • InspectorGadget, on 04/13/2008, -3/+45Newsflash: People are not modeling clay. You can give them all the ***** hope and money and love and typical bright-eyed naive ***** they can handle and some people will just remain morally defective. I hope her likeminded friends will realize that nine times out of ten the hand outstretched to idiots will get cut off.
  • Wrangler76, on 04/13/2008, -1/+26He even stole her cell phone. How classy.
  • chrissku, on 04/13/2008, -27/+20Typical middle east *****
    • wootup, on 04/13/2008, -7/+6Yes because "civilized" Western democracies don't have their fair share of scumbags who prey on women who hitchhike...

      http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNew ...
    • Cyberen, on 04/13/2008, -5/+5typical broad-brush stereotyping *****.
      Like murder is somehow a rare occurence in the U.S.?
    • byrdgang, on 04/13/2008, -5/+5Typical....idiot.

      Seriously, do we want to get into statistics now and how there are high rates of homicides in the USA especially killings of women? Let's not even go there. There's no need to compare. Let's just solve the problem without being idiots.

      Besides, wtf do you know about the Middle East? Murder isn't that common in most Middle Eastern countries (when compared to us, the USA, of course). This does not include political violence.
  • Jclarky, on 04/13/2008, -13/+3HOW MANY 'IRONY' POSTERS ARE THERE THAT DONT KNOW THE MEANING!??!?!?!?!?!


    7, thats how many.

    Thats 7 too much.
    • punkcat, on 04/13/2008, -1/+5"too many"
      ...ooh the irony

    • Cyberen, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention!
      Now that
      is
      Irony!
  • geoffg, on 04/13/2008, -5/+12She did die doing what she loved.
    • eleli, on 04/13/2008, -1/+23Getting stabbed?
      • Pake, on 04/13/2008, -3/+2Eh, who's to say she wasn't a masochist?
      • jmpeagle, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4dammit...I laughed with soda in my mouth and quickly covered my mouth but it spilled all over my pants and now it looks like I wet myself
    • UrlorJkron, on 04/13/2008, -1/+9Proving herself wrong?
    • karmaghost, on 04/13/2008, -2/+5Putting her trust in strangers? Survival of the fittest at work.
    • smotpoker, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2I agree. It is much better to die for a moral cause, doing what you love and/or trying to change the world for the better than driving to work or withering away in the hospital bed.. I just hope the actual death was painless/unexpected/quick
      • digitalpencil, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2perhaps.. but you should probably try to change the world in a less retarded manner than wandering through Turkey, in a wedding dress, promoting world peace.
    • stfucupcake, on 04/13/2008, -2/+3rape fantasy?
  • madfrogurt, on 04/13/2008, -3/+31At least she taught people something with her death. Hopefully others will learn from this even if it is the exact opposite of what she hoped to teach.
    • Atomic1fire, on 04/13/2008, -2/+9Don't walk in turkey and promote world peace?
  • tonzophunn, on 04/13/2008, -12/+5Pretty stupid for trying to hitchhike over two continents.
    • moolaismyfriend, on 04/13/2008, -4/+5No its some what inspirational. Better than sitting on your fat ass leaving snide comments on a ***** website loser.
      • dho331, on 04/13/2008, -6/+2lol wut? so ur not being snide right now? I see what u did there.
      • tonzophunn, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0And what are you doing?
    • foofightrs777, on 04/13/2008, -2/+3How about hitchiking the galaxy? Ford Prefect would be ashamed of you.
    • smotpoker, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2As stupid as not knowing the difference between continents and countries?
  • mecharabbit, on 04/13/2008, -9/+2I thought that I might be enlightened by this story, but I find myself very confused as to the motives of the writer. Do you want me to hate Muslims or hate people in general?
    • byrdgang, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5Where in the article do you see anything about Muslims? Nowhere.
  • moolaismyfriend, on 04/13/2008, -12/+20It's just God testing our faith.

    /sarcasm
    • AbsurdParadox, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3Its like them thar dinosaur bones, y'see.
  • voodoozombie, on 04/13/2008, -4/+53What is more dangerous than an animal with claws? An animal with a brain.
    • moolaismyfriend, on 04/13/2008, -13/+7And an animal that likes Fox News, Coors Light, and NASCAR.

    • smotpoker, on 04/13/2008, -2/+4Can you name an animal with claws that doesn't have a brain?
  • spidermonkey35, on 04/13/2008, -13/+5How can we sit here and call her stupid? We say she was so naive to go to Turkey, especially in a gown, and that she didn't know the culture...wtf? What's wrong with someone who wanted to believe that there is a notion of peace? She was noble and brave. I think we fool ourselves when we call her stupid.
    • dho331, on 04/13/2008, -3/+1know the culture? so you think that their culture is to rape and murder foreigners?
    • Hetman, on 04/13/2008, -2/+13If you think that is true. Put on a kkk outfit and walk through an african american community. You do have to know the culture you are walking into.
      • HowitZer25, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2You hit the nail on the head.
        • OfNumbers, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0Still sounds like Die Hard references to me.
    • karmaghost, on 04/13/2008, -1/+3The problem with someone who wants to believe that there is a notion of peace in everyone is that they're absolutely wrong. She may have been noble and brave, but if she wished to stay alive even a little bit, she was foolish. There are those that cannot be reasoned with; psychotics whose brains are wired to feel no remorse over the pain and death of others. Racists and extremists who hate with every fiber of their being those who are different from them. All she needed to do is cross paths with at least one of these two categories (and certainly there are other types of such people) and she was done for. Maybe she didn't properly understand human nature.
      • smotpoker, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3"Maybe she didn't properly understand human nature"

        I think you don't properly understand it....

        A vast majority of people are cynical or good natured but not outright evil. Even with the most evil ones, it almost always takes a bit more than "just crossing paths" to set them off or result in a bad encounter.

        An overwhelming majority of the time, unless there is a really compelling reason to act otherwise, even the most cynical or most evil will just pass by a stranger who is hitchhiking or minding their own business and only the most good natured will stop (either to offer help, show concern, etc).

        This is even true in the middle east to some degree, but not as true as it is non-third world regions. More suffering means more apathy towards others regarding it and more opportunism with regard to exploiting others.

        Her biggest mistake in this endeavor was dressing as a western bride and being a foreigner in a place where western-world is vilified and, probably, appearing to have money around people who are likely desperate for it. She was a bit naive and ignorant but this incident doesn't completely disprove her original belief though, unfortunately, people such as your self will use this incident to fuel your cynicism and further perpetuate this dog-eat-dog view of, resulting in more damage than good
  • punkcat, on 04/13/2008, -9/+13Midnight Express taught me to stay out off turkey period.

    • qrudee, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7Its always awesome and shows deep intelligence when people make judgments about people or a country based on a film.

      Good job.
    • combatchuck, on 04/13/2008, -2/+4I am more convinced by their denial of the Armenian genocide and the fact that it's basically the ***** of the region.
    • m0tbaillie, on 04/13/2008, -0/+8Midnight Express was also ridiculously exaggerated. In 2003 the director actually apologized personally to the mayor + the people of Istanbul (not sure why he didn't go to Ankara, the capital) and basically said he was sorry that the movie depicted Turkey in such a negative light because it was grossly exaggerated. Hell, even William Hayes says he still regularly visits Turkey and plans to retire there.
    • catacuta, on 04/13/2008, -1/+7and I suppose you believe Rambo took the entire Vietnam on its own. Ah Americans...
      • frieddonuts, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Hey, don't lump me in with this idiot...
    • bloosteak, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0why are racist comments always dug up? is this proof that racist white people outnumber those that are not racist whites?
      • muzy, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1its called digg.com = a site for white people only,
  • linux4evr, on 04/13/2008, -20/+3For something to be Ironic it has to be both funny *and* sad. This is not funny.
    • sephiroth965, on 04/13/2008, -0/+11This guy has GOT to be trolling. That or he's 8 years old.
    • jordanmac, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7worst definition of irony anyone has posted on digg ever, and they are posted very frequently so that is saying something
    • JackHarkness, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3irony is not a funny coincidence
    • linux4evr, on 04/13/2008, -4/+0Are you people retarded? This is the best definition of irony you will ever come across.

      For something to be ironic it has to be both funny and sad, NOT either/or.
  • Chachuka, on 04/13/2008, -7/+8Makes me so sad.
  • Htos1, on 04/13/2008, -6/+2Like in the movie,Heavy Metal,pretty,but dumb.
    • sephiroth965, on 04/13/2008, -2/+4You mean that weird animated sci-fi thing from the 90's with the evil green glowing orb? How the ***** can you relate that movie to this?!
  • lookadeez, on 04/13/2008, -9/+3fail
  • soakland2, on 04/13/2008, -5/+36I wouldn't be stupid enough to do that in the United States much less Turkey.
    • m0tbaillie, on 04/13/2008, -2/+9I'd do it in Turkey before I would do it in the United States.

      But then again, I'm half-Turkish, speak the language and know the culture. Oh, and I'm not a complete retard wearing a wedding dress bringing attention to myself in the wrong part of town at the wrong time of day.
      • stfucupcake, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2"...I'm not a complete retard wearing a wedding dress bringing attention to myself in the wrong part of town at the wrong time of day."
        dugg up for that part
      • RSterkenburg, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1I was totally about to write the exact same first sentence that you did, but apparently you beat me to it :( I'm not Turkish though, so I don't speak Turkeese, or know the Turkin culture.
    • smotpoker, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4I've hitchhiked all over the place in U.S. over the years... the worst people in the world tend to be so cynical that they are scared to pick you up, get locked away for carelessness/hostility pretty early on or don't bother wasting time/effort with anyone if they do not perceive immediate benefit from it.

      99% of people who ever picked me up did so out of nostalgia/sympathy from being in the same position at some point, because they are religious and thought it was the right thing to do, because they wanted company (sometimes to smoke with) and thought I looked pretty cool/harmless. Once or twice they wanted me to chip in gas money
  • dho331, on 04/13/2008, -4/+16FOX NEWS ALERT : People kill because THEY CAN.
    • newms32, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1Thanks for your sociological analysis!
  • p51d007, on 04/13/2008, -24/+12TYPICAL liberal DUMBASS!
  • Erythroxylum, on 04/13/2008, -22/+13Add it to the 'Reasons Turkey must - under no circumstances - be allowed to join the EU' list.
    Mind you, rape and death. That's pretty mild in the Islamic World. She should - if she wasn't dead - thank her lucky stars she never made it as far as the Philistines. They're monsters.
    Another day, another ***** liberal.