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- roosevans, on 03/29/2008, -4/+81It is disturbing to see "freedom of speech" being threatened by radical Islamists.
- stonebear, on 03/29/2008, -6/+57Freedom of speech alive and well beneath the jolly roger:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1278612 - treelovinhippie, on 03/29/2008, -1/+45The people threatening obviously have no idea how the Internet works.
Here's a play-by-play that might be useful:
1) Once something is uploaded on the Internet, it will NEVER be fully removed.
2) Marketing 101 >>> Any publicity is good publicity.
3) So to put 2 and 2 together: If you threaten the makers of content online, then others become intrigued as to why and what the controversy is... so they find it wherever it is still hiding online, download it, and watch it.
4) The more you threaten, the more publicity it gets, the more views it gets, the more dissent against those threatening.
Simple stuff peoples. - studdenfadden, on 03/29/2008, -8/+50How could anyone feel threatened by someone who adheres to the religion of peace?
- rprz, on 03/29/2008, -2/+41Step 3. Prophet
- Blackflower, on 03/29/2008, -3/+36I'm sorry but if everyone just folds and gives up when religious extremists threaten them, that will just embolden the extremists to think that intimidation is a legitimate and effective course of action, and it isn't. Totally pathetic, ***** religion.
- funkyjunk3, on 03/29/2008, -2/+30Available on Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-294954647 ...
May not last for long though. - inactive, on 03/29/2008, -1/+25freedom of speech is more important than freedom of religion. it is in fact a prerequisite to freedom of religion, as we can't have freedom of religion without freedom of speech.
- 3rdDay, on 03/29/2008, -1/+25This is sad. I watched most of the film yesterday and to be honest didn't think much of it, it didn't really have much to say except that Islam and terrorism are sometimes linked and took 17 minutes to say that. The fact that LiveLeak had to take it down due to threats is disturbing. I didn't particularly agree with the film, but the makers have freedom of speech and freedom of press so they can both comment and distribute their content as they see fit. If someone disagrees with what they say then the answer to the films makers is criticism and dialogue, not threats and violence.
- smacksaw, on 03/29/2008, -5/+28People like you are sadly funny. If a politician in Holland is right-wing, you immediately call them fascists.
So let's get this right: you all are upset about a movie that paints Islam in a negative and inaccurate light, but you're more than happy to call people on the right who are trying to use freedom of speech to open debate "fascists?"
There's really no middle ground with people on the far edge of the political spectrum like you, is there? You're no better than the people you call fascists. Takes one to know one. Now kindly go ***** yourself. - FMWatkins, on 03/29/2008, -9/+31Islam contains commands to wage war on non-Muslims and believes it's faith is not only superior to others, but MUST come to dominate the world. Sure, it contains 'nice' bits but they are outweighed by the calls to religious imperialism and conquest.
I've studied the Koran and it's full of sh*t. Other religions aren't much better, but Islam is the worst I've come across.
As others have said, this is a free speech issue. Free speech is superior to religion. Indeed, the idea of free speech is getting opinions and theories out in the public forum, so they can be debated openly and fairly (without intimidation and disinfo).
http://www.reformislam.org/
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html
One would only want to silence debate on an issue if those people have something to hide. This happened in the UK on Channel 4 with a 'debate' about those Danish cartoons. At the end there was a poll. The majority voted for showing the images.
Channel 4 declined. - weeFred, on 03/29/2008, -1/+23It's freedom of speech, the same freedom that allows you to come on here and spout your ***** day after day. We don't agree with it, but we have to put up with it.
- chicagospur, on 03/29/2008, -0/+21"It's the religion of peace and we will kill anyone who says it isn't."
- rkho, on 03/29/2008, -3/+24neocognism = troll
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -5/+26Muslims aren't showing up in Europe just to try to get a better life and live peacefully on their own, but thanks for the feel good comment propaganda none the less. There are wide spread problems with a lot of them not making any effort to integrate into the societies they join, meanwhile taking advantage of the career and/or generous state entitlement opportunities offered there, and very gradually force muslim customs on the local population/culture/government. Incrementalism is rarely recognized.
It is different in America (why I don't know), because there are many muslims, they are well integrated, take education seriously, and don't try to disproportionately shift the culture..... or murder people very often over print. - prisoner24601, on 03/29/2008, -0/+20The way some people think astonishes me. They seem to believe in freedom of speech for those who agree with them, but not those who don't.
http://digg.com/world_news/Dutch_protesters_agains ... - dcshiderly, on 03/29/2008, -3/+22What's unfortunate is that you condone a faith that advocates cruelty to others, violence to women, oppression of thought, and outright asshattery. I'm certain that you'll make a ridiculous parallel to Christianity, but there's a difference in a faith that advocates turning the other cheek as a matter of course and a faith that demands the heads be removed from the infidel. It's one thing to have a less-than-one-percent minority that recommends violent acts, and quite another when said violence is mandated by the state.
- dcshiderly, on 03/29/2008, -0/+17And we here in the 'States think we have a problem with Mexican nationals immigrating illegally. At least our problem is half the size of Europe's, and ours don't try to burn down all the cities in the southwest if someone insults the pope or Catholicism.
- studdenfadden, on 03/29/2008, -0/+16Sarcasm is hard for some people to understand.
- banmaster, on 03/29/2008, -1/+17Well how about you watch it, at least up to the point where it graphs the numbers of muslim/Islamists that call Europe home over the past 2 decades.
Anyone who doesn't think the numbers are alarming has their head stuck firmly in the sand. Possibly next to the body from where it was removed because of some stupid violation of Sharia law. - cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -2/+18Muslim on Muslim violence has far "out-killed" anything that any "foreigner" has or will do in that region.
- weeFred, on 03/29/2008, -0/+15Why is it not ok to make an anti anybody movie? Is religion exempt from criticism just because it's religion? If hitler or stalin or mao had called their ideology religion would that make it ok?
- cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -1/+14"When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives." Surat Mohammed:4
8:12-13,17 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
2:216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not.
9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been God's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of God,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
62:6 Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to God, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"
5:36 The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
etc etc.. - Samas11, on 03/29/2008, -2/+14you=already used that call
- funkyjunk3, on 03/29/2008, -1/+13http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-294954647 ...
- akaz, on 03/29/2008, -8/+19allah = not real :(
- Wacer, on 03/29/2008, -1/+12You contradict yourself. If your going with your dad and Wilders was right then why do you bash Wilders? What a retarded statement.
- cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -1/+12Christianity had as much to do with WWI and WWII as ballcaps have to do with testicular cancer.
- inactive, on 03/29/2008, -3/+14the forces of suppression have won out against free speech. by shunning free speech, the extremists that have sent the death threats may have unintentionally hurt their own cause. if the nazi hatemongers that made this film hadn't gotten this publicity, nobody would ever take them seriously. thus, by attacking free speech, they are unintentionally supporting increased anti-islamic sentiment. they have increased their divide with the West.
- inactive, on 03/29/2008, -0/+11perhaps, but this has now become a free speech issue
- mrjoanofarc, on 03/29/2008, -3/+14All these bashing comments against the film... why can't we watch it and make up our own minds? Why say, "No. You cannot see this." That's not a free world. And threaten the safety of others? Utterly uncivil.
- qedx, on 01/11/2009, -0/+11Freedom of speech works both ways. The haters get it too.
- inactive, on 03/29/2008, -0/+11read the constitution. it's called the first amendment.
- provoko, on 03/29/2008, -2/+13So sad. Threatening good people that have nothing to do with the movie.
We should start making death threats against Muslims who criticize other people and religions, and I know a lot of them, I've seen their videos. - cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -1/+12People make fun of Stephen Hawkings all the time. The difference is, millions of astronomers don't take to the streets and start burning effigies, posters, and start randomly killing those who joked about his wheelchair.
Well, and the simple fact that noone has used Stephen Hawking as justification to mass slaughter other human beings. (Yet.) - NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -2/+13by threats and protests you mean murder and bombs.
If 1% of muslims were terrorists that would be 10,000,000 terrorists, so if there were 10,000,000 terrorists you'd then acknowledge there's an extremism problem? That's tender. - muuhgnoo, on 03/29/2008, -1/+11They learned it from Muhammed? Where exactly should they come to the conclusion that violence is bad when their major religious figure and prophet was a violent murderer and paedophile himself? How should their leitmotif sound? DDWMWD? (Dont do what Mohammad would do)
- CoolWind, on 03/29/2008, -0/+10It's not a hate movie. It's a very objective look at the reality of Islam. Take another look. It's not propaganda.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -0/+10I can't remember the last time I had to worry about an illegal immigrant walking into the club/bar with a bomb.
- robthom, on 03/29/2008, -0/+10Screen your immigrants better. Who let all the nutballs in?
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/29/2008, -1/+11disturbing yes, but certainly not suprising anymore.
- Moduliz0r, on 03/29/2008, -1/+10How mature, why is it that these people always resort to death threats...
- tricks574, on 03/29/2008, -1/+10Freedom of speech is not contradictory to hate or insult, death threats are contradictory to peace. Reacting harsher than almost any other religious group does when being insulted is contradictory to being a peaceful religion. People come out with films not only insulting Christianity but going so far as to debunk its events and yet they do have to fear for their life, yet Islam is the religion of peace? I understand it is probably a horrible film that unfairly portrays a religion, and I understand that most Muslims are peaceful people, but that does not change the fact that this group of people were intimidated into giving up their right to free speech, and no matter how peaceful most Muslims are, there are people who will use that religion to further their own goals. As kowtowing to these demands only advances their power over not just ourselves but the people they oppress.
Whether or not you agree with this film, it is apparent that there are people exploiting peoples belief in Islam to do harm to others, and they will continue to do so until someone stands up to them. Not stands up militarily,as these people have warped and twisted the Islamic culture into something that cannot be defeated by military strength. We have to stand up by showing that these tactics will not work, and show that we will not bend to their will. A man only has the rights he is willing and able to protect, and one of the most important rights is the right to express yourself as you see fit. - cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -1/+10Step 4. Lots of slaughter caused by moral justification and righteousness.
- mannajar, on 03/29/2008, -1/+10The fanatic crazies WITHIN Islam are the ones who insult the religion and who create prejudice against innocent muslims. The film only documents this phenomenon.
And your response? You attack free speech and the very people who expose this rot! You seem to want to keep it hushed up!! (Which in effect protects the fantaic crazies.) I think you should thank the film-makers for bringing greater exposure and awareness to this intolerable situation. Now *that* would be an admirable response from the muslim community. Instead we get *death threats*. - Zerstoren, on 03/29/2008, -4/+13I'm Jewish and I have no problem with anti jewish propaganda. Free speech and all. People should be able to disagree with anything. It's just when it turns violent is when the problems start.
- cygnus2112, on 03/29/2008, -0/+8They're not taken out of context. Your illustration of more of the text only makes the beliefs even more scary and nutty.
- inactive, on 03/29/2008, -0/+8@ vanzan
You forgot the second part of your post where you DENOUNCE the Muslims shown in the video.
THAT is the problem. - sk11, on 03/29/2008, -0/+8Re: carpespasm
Jews and christians were only allowed to live there because they submitted to islamic rule. They were forced to pay a special tax to the muslims, that's why they were left alone. - buddypriefert, on 03/29/2008, -2/+10One of the most humorous things is to watch a Muslim attempt to defend their religion of hate, anger, and fear driven. Cracks me up every time.
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