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- lickmygiggle, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37weren't allowed? I highly doubt they weren't allowed to wear masks. In fact I can remember at LEAST 10 pictures of people working and wearing masks.
Perhaps they were told they weren't needed, which was obvoisly a mistake, and wrong, but weren't allowed? *****. - bostonyankee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31If someone sets up a fund to help pay for the healthcare of these heroes and digg brings attention to it, we can start to solve the problem.
- Buddhist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Yes, it's deadly. I live in the Metro area and there have been several papers (NY Times, NY Daily News, and the NJ Record to name the main ones) that have done stories on this. Many of the people that spent days and/or weeks digging through debris became ill and many died from having foreign debris in their lungs, from smoke inhalation, and some have even hinted at asbestos, though I doubt the latter. I will agree that it was completely unsafe, but you'd think that people who gave their time, effort, and some even their lives to help out others would receive heightened medical care. A lot of these people need lung transplants because of the time they spent there, but few ever get them. :|
- rstevens, on 10/12/2007, -16/+30The EPA declared the air "safe" and the workers weren't allowed to wear dust masks. Does anyone think that mandate didn't come from the executive branch?
http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Intersecting_Facts_and_Theories_on_911.pdf - shadowstorm, on 10/12/2007, -15/+25"911 was an inside job."
when i saw 9/11 in the title, i just knew someone would say that. get out. - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I highly DOUBT that people weren't ALLOWED to wear masks. I would bet that they weren't ENCOURAGED, but I'm sure that doesn't help your case much.
- nhassan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10well, old teachers and students from my school, only a few blocks from WTC site, now are suffereing from various types of lung diseases.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@jjb123 (a deluded person who is afraid to think)
Actually, many of the families of those who died, after the initial shock became more bearable, in fact were and still are VERY interested in finding out the actual truth behind 9-11, rather than taking at face value the official story with all the holes in it.
Many of the family members also found that the Bush administration blocked their own investigations, and refused to answer even the most basic questions they had.
A search for the actual truth, which obviously has nothing to do with the official story immediately concocted by the government and distributed by the media -- is in fact a way of significantly honoring the memories of those who died.
The dishonoring of the victims happens when idiots keep trying to hide the actual facts, referring to people as 'conspiracy theorists', implying that they know better because they follow what they were told on television.
Some of the best evidentiary videos I have seen include "Improbable Collapse", (made by engineers including some of the original designers of the WTC), "9-11 Press for Truth", documenting the search for answers by actual families of the deceased from the WTC, and the relatively new "9-11 Mysteries".
Protecting the lies of the Bush administration and all their war-monger corporate-profiteering liar friends, is in fact a way of completely dishonoring the 9-11 victims...one of which has been the US Constitution! - Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14I'm pretty sure that diggmirror guy is a shill whose job is to drive people to frustration whenever they see anything to with 9/11.
The page he linked to was not only unwatchable (it had like 3 or 4 videos playing at the same time) but the vast majority of the complaining comments on it were posted by the same person.
Personally, I focus solely on the fact that the buildings imploded at the speed of freefall with the constituent materials offering no resistance and I ask people to offer explanations as to how this is possible without explosives.
I don't really see anything wrong with questioning authority, and I genuinely apologize if my posts offend you.
If you get a chance to watch the documentary I linked to, it's worth it if only to confirm whether or not you really have the highground when insulting people who question the official story of 9/11. - bustaballs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6http://www.visibility911.com/dust.htm
NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/06/nyregion/06health.html?ex=1315195200&en=555a379d601bc494&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss%22
The largest health study yet of the thousands of workers who labored at ground zero shows that the impact of the rescue and recovery effort on their health has been more widespread and persistent than previously thought, and is likely to linger far into the future.
MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/news/961134.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1
Sept. 3 — Just days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the agency responsible for the environmental health of Americans declared the air and water safe in New York. But now, in her first interview since the release of a troubling report, the Environmental Protection Agency’s top watchdog says the agency didn’t have the facts when it said it was safe to move back to the neighborhoods near Ground Zero. And she’s pointing the finger all the way to the White House.
9/11 Truth Movement has been talking about all of this for years but the mainstream media didn't touch it at all until the 5th anniversary. So many lies and nothing is being done about it.
http://www.911review.com/articles/orkin/post911lies.html - aristoworks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6So his dad died? Was the dad the one working shifts after trade center? How is Hillary included 4 times in the story - what does she really have to do with the story? Thank god for heroes but this story is poorly written!
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@ grevvvvvvvv....why are you so afraid of some truth that you might find?
The greatest tragedy is that there are still so many people who will not even consider going against what they were conveniently told on television and by the3 bush government.
thinking and looking for truth, asking the hard questions...would require some effort, and so many people are just too lazy and apathetic.
So, telling them of the proven fact that it had to be an inside job, definitely with some complicity by our own government...is just a way of reminding these idiots of the possibility of hard work and actually having to think...which is most unpleasant to these lazy-ass morons.
Naturally, they view the very idea with disdain.
It is shameful that they are a part of the human race, yet with so little actual human development! - wiremonkeymommy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6too good and too young to die... it's perfectly acceptable to ask for answers when this many innocent people lose their lives. if it was a member of your family, wouldn't you?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The government said the air was fine. Others (like Alex Jones) have been saying the air was toxic since that very day. But we were told noooo, don't listen to him, and that he's a "conspiracies theorist" for saying that, and that anyone else who said the air was toxic is a kook.
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It was known that the world trade center was full of asbestos.....yet people were allowed back at ground zero without hazmat suits.
- macp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6yea its pretty sad. these ppl essentially suffocate because their lungs stop bringin in o2 cuz there is too much foreign debris in their lungs.
- dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5yeah the dust clouds were generally extremely toxic, heavy metals, concrete powder, abestos, you name it.
But they wanted to open wall street .. that was all that mattered to the big boys. The people came last, again.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871&q=911+demolition&hl=en - Reidtheweed01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You guys are acting as if their are just stockpiles of lungs everywhere. You cant just go to the hospital and ask for a new heart, someone else has to die in order for your to get that organ.
- Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Again, your childlike insults prove that your argument is unable to stand up on its own. I appreciate the fact that you're probably trying your best though.
Yes, the camera briefly flashes back to the towers at the 12 second point at which we can briefly see part of the building fall, but not for long enough to gauge whether it's falling significantly faster than the building itself.
What it does show, though, is that the building is falling at extremely close to the speed of freefall. We're talking maybe one or two seconds difference, if that. In these discussions I usually say that the towers collapsed "at, or extremely near the speed of freefall", because the difference is so negligible as to be unworthy of mention.
I should have anticipated that someone would clutch at straws, as you have, and I appreciate the lesson in desperation you've shown me. - UltimateFlynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As a guy who works with drywall, I could completely see this happening.
In a residential home I would need to use a mask for touch up's, I can't imagine the kind of stuff they needed to inhale being there. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Gladly.
- shaycoholic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4He is a hero like everybody else who tried to save lives that day.
- ZzFDKzZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I remember my Math Professor told me he had a student who was a EMT who work at Ground Zero for a while. He said he's 28 and has a couple of months to live, I forgot what type of cancer he has.
- Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You've made the mistake of building your argument around your conclusion, which is forgivable but not very sensible. Starting out with an insult didn't help you either.
Firstly, the collapses of WTC 1 and 2 both initiated above the halfway point of the towers. This means that there was less mass above the point of collapse than below the point of collapse.
Secondly, your argument fails to take into account that the steel and concrete offered no resistance *at all* to the collapse.
Thirdly, the concrete didn't turn to rubble - it turned to dust - and pools of molten steel remained at the bases of the towers for *weeks* after the collapses.
I'm sure you have zero interest whatsoever in watching the video I linked earlier, but I respectfully recommend you take the time out to entertain a different point of view. - Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Watch any [of] the videos, and you can see supporting beams and debris falling much faster than the towers themselves."
Start with this one... No beams and debris as you stated there would be, but does this really look like a building "pancaking"?
http://ncane.com/m1 (shortened google video link) - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Pic0
Nice guess...but it is nowhere near the same percentage!
I worked long enough in construction and architecture (I live in NYC), besides being a chemist, to know that you are saying nothing of value, but merely registering an uninformed and useless guess.
And there was a lot of toxic vapor, as well as particulate, from the burning of all the plastic....rugs, computers, etc...nasty hydrocarbon poisons. - Goldenmean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3 I've wondered since 9/11 when the media would realize the big clouds of dust from the WTC collapse were composed of silica (bad) and asbestos (worse). The death toll from 9/11 is far from final.
- Fosnez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Can you say it... in one breath? - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@WaterDragon
***** selfish cowardice, I think it's one of the most detestable things. I actually know people who try to justify what they were told by television with "the towers were made out of aluminum" in order to try to win the argument.
The people of this country who don't have the ***** souls to face what people like Alex Jones are desperately trying to warn them of deserve what they're about to get. Everything Alex Jones has said has come true or is coming true (North American Union etc).
JUST LIKE the July 25th 2001 broadcast:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8695130819141155641
There it is ladies and gentleman, it's part of the public record. Give the victim's families what they ***** want and pay attention you kooky coincidence theorists. - MadN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Why do the Repugneocons swarm to any discussion of 9/11?
How many digg logins does Bin Hiding have?
Explain why trade center 7 managed to "implode" with no plane strike.
9/11 had to have used some pre-placed explosives; the explosives may have been placed there by Al-Qaeda, who knows? - rstevens, on 10/12/2007, -12/+15This is a better source showing the dust: http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Why%20Indeed%20Did%20the%20WTC%20Buildings%20Completely%20Collapse%20Jones%20Thermite%20World%20Trade%20Center%20J24.pdf
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@groovemaster...
It never ceases to amaze me when I see the capacity of these folks to ignore facts...indisputable facts proving that explosives, previously in place, were used for all THREE towers that came down.
So I guess the real lesson for us is to see the extent of blindness and resistance to looking at reality that is possible in people.
I see you arguing with idiots, or people who will remain blind by choice, usually not even knowing they are making that choice....and I am glad I am not the one doing that. (this time).
I have done it in the past, but in an open forum like digg, there is really very little objectivity some days. It's more like an unruly mob, shouting things and throwing stones.
Other days, we can actually have nice discussions.
But issues related to certain topics, like 9-11, are heavily protected by the shills of various corrupt organizations, who come to digg for a kind of public damage control, so they can keep selling their lies, paid for with the blood of soldiers and other people.
Way above, you wrote:
"I'm pretty sure that diggmirror guy is a shill whose job is to drive people to frustration whenever they see anything to with 9/11."
I wanted to express the same thing. it is a strategic move by liars, similar to how they used to plant people in peace demonstrations, during the Vietnam war era, who would pretend to be anti-war demonstrators, and then incite violent acts....making it bad for the rest of the demonstrators, as the police cracked down....naturally never hurting the shills that had planted planted in the crowds.
That spammer guy was like that...but one of his links did lead me to see '9-11 Mysteries' for the first time, so it served some good purpose....even though in general, he was making it bad for us all by being a nuisance, and not writing anything of substance...just links
- SonofMaug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ Glacious
Where the hell do you get off making a statement like that you ignorant fool! As someone who works in health care I can say that there are a lot of thing that are unfair, but UNOS ( http://www.unos.org/ ) is the only true democracy we have, everyone that is on the list waits their turn, no matter WHO they are or how much money they have. This whole "yet a few minutes before someone related to big oil or some tobacco company with big bucks got themselves a shiny new pair." is a ***** grandstanding statement and you know it. There are just not enough organs to go around, and don't forget, not only does the organ(s) have to be available, they have to MATCH. There could have been ten sets of lungs ready to be transplanted at the time he was ready and if none matched, then he would not get them, it's not like changing a set of batteries, you twit. - Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -12/+14"Can you prove it's absolutely impossible without explosives?"
Yes I can.
Buildings comprised of steel and concrete can't collapse at the speed of freefall without the use of explosives because steel and concrete are solid objects, and solid objects exert resistance.
It really is that simple. - BransonLAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I understand he was a hero, but like Reidthewedd01 said, "You guys are acting as if their are just stockpiles of lungs everywhere. You cant just go to the hospital and ask for a new heart, someone else has to die in order for your to get that organ."
He has to wait in line like everyone else. Just because someone else wasn't there, doesn't mean they're any less of a person, or that they might be in a helpful situation later on. - Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hillary: "I will do everything to take care of the people who take care of us..."
Wasn't that her freaking responsibility for almost 7 years? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Funny, how someone who literally gave their life to save others did not get a necessary transplant, yet a few minutes before someone related to big oil or some tobacco company with big bucks got themselves a shiny new pair.
- kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1God Bless America's health care system.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@macktwo
Dude, no.
A Jew != zionist - Myonosken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Haha. Its gimps like you that give us Europeans a bad name. How about you read the fact that the smoke would naturally be full of ***** given they're coming out of two ***** huge towers.
- Helenbo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2amightywind...
Maybe he should have wrapped himself in a flag before he rushed into the rubble, right?
Or stopped to buy a ribbon to put on his car first, eh?
That would have been the patriotic thing to do.... dont'cha think? - ChicksWithDiggs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The tragedy after a tragedy.
Sadly it's nothing new, that most helpers that worked at the WTC at - or right after the attacks got terminally ill due to the kerosin and other toxic substances from the tower dust.
Rare types of cancers are very common among them and many have problems getting any money from their work insurance. - ISIfunded911, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly. All the money goes to Cheney and Bush's rich friends: Halliburton and co.
Many who worked at the WTC are now unemployed on top of being ill, and get no financial help.
This country needs a revolution to clean the huge corruption at the top, and to hang those who did 9/11: Cheney, the military-intelligence-industrial complex, the oil billionaires,... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Go play on a freeway.
- Druidictus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The sad story is Mossad don't pay compo.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It isn't dust, it's Tiny Shurikens of Doom!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2SHOCKING NEWS FOR YOU ALL: 9/11 *WAS* AN INSIDE JOB, AND YES, LOOSE CHANGE DOES HAVE SOME KOOKY ***** IN IT.
Wouldn't suprise me if Loose Change was a deliberate disinformation effort to make all 9/11 truth seekers look like kooks.
"Let the truth set you free"
http://www.911truth.org - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Want Justice?!
Watch documentary after documentary on www.UniversalSeed.org
and you'll see more people struggling for truth, join the battle. - dustysquareback, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Well, I doubt they "weren't allowed". That sounds like some conspiracy BS. But if they weren't reccomended, then someone should be in deep *****.
There is NO mystery to the "deadly dust". Concrete dust and gypsum dust - both plentiful in any building are BAD for you. This has been known for YEARS. Anyone who's worked in construction already knows this. Silica dust = bad news.
Sad story, though, for sure :/ -
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