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Dead Man Talks? Bin Laden's Media Group would like you to think he is alive

reuters.com — DUBAI, Dec 29 (Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden said the United States wants to create a national unity government in Iraq to control oil supplies, build military bases and dominate the region. The militant leader urged Iraqis in a...

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  • uferme, on 12/30/2007, -10/+44If you believe Benazir Bhutto - http://digg.com/world_news/Benazir_Bhutto_says_Bin ... then A Dead Man is Talking.
    • WiseWeasel, on 12/30/2007, -5/+12Not particularly... Not that she's wrong in this case, but I wouldn't exactly call Bhutto a beacon of truth or trustworthiness... Let's not forget that she presided over a very corrupt administration in her last two terms as prime minister. She might have done some growing in the last 30 years, but I'm not sure how honest she is...
      • WiseWeasel, on 12/30/2007, -1/+9Oops, she was booted out for corruption (likely trumped-up charges, though who knows if there might have been some truth there) 11 years ago, not 30 (that was her dad).
        • vidorian, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2I'm sure some of the charges were trumped up. But the sales commission she took on the tractors sold to poor Pakistani farmers was pretty damning.

          copy/paste
          1990s Polish-made Ursus tractors scam, in which Benazir Bhutto was allegedly involved: “Benazir had launched the Awami Tractor Scheme for the welfare of poor farmers in Pakistan and allegedly received 7.15 percent commission in the purchase of tractors through their front men – Jens Schlegelmilch and Didier Plantin of Dargal SA – who received about 1.969 million dollars for supplying the Ursus tractors.”
    • SilentSpyder, on 12/30/2007, -6/+10I think Osama is dead but not because Bhutto said so.
      • ozydingo, on 12/31/2007, -1/+1Well in that case I believe you.
      • SysstemLord, on 12/31/2007, -0/+3You're right i think, he has been rotting for a long time, but nobody wants him dead, not Bush, nor Al Qaeda
    • timothy333, on 12/31/2007, -6/+6Guys, she misspoke. Sheesh, wake up out of the conspiracy already.
      • WilliamDavis, on 12/31/2007, -4/+4Ok. What did she mean instead of "murdered?" I would think that if you're a politician that speaks english, "murdered" is a pretty important word to understand, and one that a world politician would know to use carefully. So, if she misspoke, please explain how.
        • Cl1mh4224rd, on 12/31/2007, -1/+7> "Ok. What did she mean instead of 'murdered?'"

          *sigh*

          She names Omar Sheikh (Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh), who murdered DANIEL PEARL in 2002. He was arrested on February 12, 2002 by Pakistani police and has been in their custody ever since.

          She misspoke. Period.
        • LordRedSnake, on 12/31/2007, -0/+6She absolutely did mean murdered, but she didn't mean Osama Bin Laden; she meant Daniel Pearl. She was talking about Omar Sheikh, who was implicated in the Daniel Pearl murder.
        • ozydingo, on 12/31/2007, -0/+5Omar Sheikh, Daniel Pearl--I feel like it's a lost cause trying to convince anyone that this is the most plausible explanation. Something was said that allows them to go nuts and add some extra excitement into the usual monotony of web browsing, so they won't hear anything else of it.
          It's actually depressing, seeing it taken so far so fervently. I mean I'm no fan of the current US administration, nor would I necessarily put something liek this past them, but come on, this isn't it, so stop pretending and listen to reason.
      • GrampaMike46, on 12/31/2007, -4/+2Funny how what she actually said confirms what many have been saying for over 5 years. Even the NY Times stated he was dead in July '02 and had been for 6 months.
        http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940 ...
        Even David Frost didn't bat an eyelash when she said it. He obviously already knew too.
        • rac1234, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1So she didn't misspeak - that would be too easy an explanation. I guess even Sir David Frost must be in on the grand conspiracy. Odd that they manage to keep it so quiet, given that everyone and his dog is in on it.
    • fgsdfgdfh, on 12/31/2007, -3/+11Osama Bin Laden == Immanuel Goldstein

      Is it time for the two minutes of hate yet?
    • sesshin, on 12/31/2007, -1/+4Funny, because she just said back in October that he was still alive and needed to be hunted down.

      http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/200 ...

      Now why would she say two different things? Could it be that she really misspoke?
      • avengingturnip, on 12/31/2007, -1/+3Video or it didn't happen.

        Okay, if OBL is alive show us a video of him delivering one of his messages. It has to be moving video without stops where a voice over about current events have been added and it has to show him as he has aged since 2001. An audio message with some government official confirming it is OBL is not sufficient. Prove he is alive.
  • DennisPease, on 12/30/2007, -6/+32Lol, That video clearly shows Bhutto saying bin laden is dead. I don't see anything in Al Qaeda's video of bin laden that would indicate this new video is anything but their editing old bin laden propaganda with newer events. I say the new video is their attempt to make the world believe he is alive.
    • expert01, on 12/30/2007, -8/+22I believe it's my government's attempt to make the world believe he's alive, to make sure we stay at "war" (and have a scapegoat for the next "terrorist attack")
    • Cl1mh4224rd, on 12/31/2007, -3/+4I'll say it again... She misspoke. Period.

      She names Omar Sheikh (Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh), who murdered DANIEL PEARL in 2002. Omar Sheikh was arrested on February 12, 2002 by Pakistani police and has been in their custody ever since.
    • brad3378, on 12/31/2007, -0/+3http://digg.com/comedy/Photo_Parody_A_weekend_at_O ...
    • deanjarvis, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1She MISSPOKE. Get over it. He's alive and well just as the US government wants him.
  • chaserm, on 12/30/2007, -22/+53I believe the USA and Israelis have something to do with putting out this video to justify more war on "terror".
    • bingobongony, on 12/30/2007, -17/+9You have left your sense of reality at the door again, haven't you?
      • phenry50BMG, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2You have left your ability for logical reasoning at the door, assuming you had it to begin with.
    • LucasKane, on 12/30/2007, -1/+5That might work if Bush himself would stop saying he didn't pay attention to them
  • hlcno, on 12/30/2007, -0/+31More Max Headroom style vids from UBL
  • whatthefu, on 12/30/2007, -21/+16Submitter, why do you have to put your spin on it when submitting an article?
  • zephyr42, on 12/30/2007, -9/+19i don't see how the title has anything to do with the article... except the name OBL
    • bingobongony, on 12/30/2007, -4/+4it doesn't. uferme is a little bitch.
  • wetmetalthong, on 12/30/2007, -6/+22If it's on Digg and looks suspicious, people scream "PHOTOSHOPPED" or "CGI"!
    But from the government, the guys who have the budgets and manpower to pull off the most realistic fakes, every assumes legitimacy. Funny how the world works.
    • Groovemaster, on 12/30/2007, -7/+16The thing you don't seem to understand is that the US government is a benevolent entity obsessed with serving the best interests of the human race, and that conspiracies never happen because that would involve one or more people planning a crime together.

      Once you accept these facts it's much easier to live a wasted life of ignorance, apathy and subservience.
      • SeethisPass, on 12/30/2007, -5/+7You're talking over their heads. You have to point out that you are being sarcastic for them. ( sigh)
      • LucasKane, on 12/30/2007, -2/+3The thing you don't seem to understand is that the US government is a benevolent entity that performs every action with unparalleled accuracy that they can pull off any scheme possible and only those looking for the truth can see past that veil.
    • noahhoward, on 12/31/2007, -4/+1You have way to much faith in our nations civil servants. And far too little motive or evidence.
      • grimlenn, on 12/31/2007, -1/+2Actually, you are the one who has 'far too little motive or evidence'. ironic you would say that
        • noahhoward, on 12/31/2007, -3/+1What the hell was that supposed to mean? I don't need motive and evidence to NOT accuse someone. Wet is making an accusation, he's the one who needs to provide evidence and motive. Idiot.
  • loganhid, on 12/30/2007, -12/+1Bin Laden is chillin in Spain, Cruzzin in the Hot Hot Sun.
    • captric, on 12/30/2007, -6/+1He is peeing his pants in a cold dark cave in Pakistan where he can barely get the (ironically) US invented Kidney dialysis in a timely manner to keep his ass alive.
  • wonderchemist, on 12/30/2007, -13/+2Let's face it, Bin Laden is alive because Bush diverted our forces to Iraq before the job was done in Afghanistan.
    • LBobRife, on 12/30/2007, -0/+1Ah but even back in 2001 he was in poor health. What's to say 6 years later that he has not died?
    • noahhoward, on 12/31/2007, -1/+1You know we still have special forces, the folks who would have found him in the first place, looking for him
  • hiscity, on 12/30/2007, -3/+15All Bin Laden has to do to regain credibility is to make an unannounced visit to Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Saudi Arabia and have just one interview among the terrorists, before quietly departing.

    Bush, Cheney, congress reps, and even Rice, all do so on various occasions, dropping in by surprise and exiting quickly to keep from getting targeted.

    You'd think a leader of martyrs would have more guts.

    Even if alive, he might as well be dead.
    • yojiffyskippy, on 12/30/2007, -3/+3He's obviously a coward or he wouldn't be in hiding but showing his face in public would not be a smart move because even his own "people" would kill him if given the opportunity. He has become an impotent figure head but he's still being used as a boogie-man by the US. He's doing more harm than good to his own cause so his best move would be to martyr himself.
  • rhabd0mancer, on 12/30/2007, -7/+9Buried as inaccurate.
  • phnx0221, on 12/30/2007, -4/+16Bin Laden = Goldstein. Bin Laden is not alive. Bin Laden, at this point, is a central figure, that everyone knows, that is hated and feared by the western population. I'm surprised that the media machine took this long to bring him out. Then again, if they would have done it any sooner, it would have been more suspicious then it already is. I think it would be willfully ignorant of us to take anything the mainstream media says about Bin Laden. We can intercept their transmissions, and we can easily find brand new videos, audio, and various calls to action, yet we can't find him? He's dead, but he makes easy use for a call to patriotism and support, so they'll continue using his words like they are new, so that we can have something sustainable to fear.
    • ByteGuerilla, on 12/31/2007, -1/+6Spot on. Nineteen Eighty-Four was meant to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
  • aztrozon, on 12/30/2007, -4/+7the cia would like you to believe he is still alive so we can continue a war against a terrorist threat that doesnt exist awar that is really about oil
    • Iamyourowner, on 12/30/2007, -2/+2Good lord.
    • ralph12c41, on 12/30/2007, -2/+2Whats wrong with oil? Are you still on your tricycle?
    • yojiffyskippy, on 12/30/2007, -5/+4Actually the "war" is against terrorism and al queda. So it will continue whether he is dead or alive. So your "argument" makes no sense. Take the tin-foil hat off, let your brain cool off, and come up with a better wackers theory.
    • bingobongony, on 12/30/2007, -4/+3You sure showed the governemnt! You are SO intelligent! Let's all believe your reality!
    • noahhoward, on 12/31/2007, -1/+2Considering we don't claim to be fighting to get Osama anymore, I doubt the CIA cares very much. "War on Terror" Osama was never the only terrorist in the world so they don't really need him to continue the war do they?.
    • lhughes, on 12/31/2007, -1/+0For crying out loud - if this friggin' "thing" was about oil - then why's it almost $4 a gallon? If it is about oil, and we get back to 99 cent / gallon gasoline, then let's debate it ! sheesh...
      • fromonesource, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1because now the saudi's (with whom we have close ties) can make fortunes on the oil we buy. our government can control its distribution. lowering overhead costs + raising prices = much $
  • SeethisPass, on 12/30/2007, -4/+16 One fake bin Laden video was all I needed to know that the rest have no credibility.
    http://www.digg.com/world_news/It_s_Official_Bin_L ...
    • DestroyFascism, on 12/30/2007, -2/+3As bush said.."Fool me once"....After that he got all whiskey brained on us.......
    • Jugalator, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Was the information that blogger talks of ever confirmed offically? You know, like the 300+ dugg up guy speaks of in the comments, for example. We can't just assume bloggers have the accurate information here.
  • alwilson, on 12/30/2007, -5/+9Bin Laden is living in South America with Hitler, Elvis and Jim Morrison.
    • briansearles, on 12/30/2007, -1/+4Must have been one hell of a Christmas party.
    • yojiffyskippy, on 12/30/2007, -1/+6Very entertaining. A lot of diggers actually believe stuff like that. So don't be surprised if you make a lot of "friends" for that comment.
    • roaryyyj, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Dont forget kurt cobain, tupac and biggie
  • Mark6569, on 12/30/2007, -0/+10Actually, he's working the overnight shift at a Mobil gas station in Bellmore, NY.
  • colincornaby, on 12/30/2007, -5/+12Could we stop getting bias headlines? The article says nothing about OBL being dead. I would like my news with no spin please. Otherwise I would just watch Fox News. I can decide for myself whether OBL is alive or dead, thank you very much.
    • formergthing, on 12/31/2007, -0/+3A. You read Digg for actual news?

      B. You can't decide if OBL is alive or dead, unless you have mind bullets.
  • Sogui, on 12/30/2007, -7/+7I wonder what happens if we capture him alive... more conspiracies or will you retards just fess up that you were wrong?
    • DestroyFascism, on 12/30/2007, -3/+5Hes been dead for years!
    • EdgarSimons, on 12/30/2007, -4/+2dont you wish shill
    • neozeed, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Do you remember when we had to back way the ***** off from capturing him? It's because we knew then what we have known for years. He's dead. Our favorite CIA asset is dead. But we still use him to make tapes to scare people like you all the time.
      Are you still scared?
  • venuspcs, on 12/30/2007, -3/+4It doesn't really matter if Bin Laden is alive or not.....What matters is how the American Government and American Media continue to spin ***** the way they want to control the minds of the American people and lure us into a Socialist State with ambitions of Globalization.
    • LucasKane, on 12/30/2007, -1/+1Except them saying they don't give a ***** about anything Bin Laden says
    • mweierophinney, on 12/31/2007, -0/+3I'd argue that they're not luring us into a socialist state so much as a fascist one.
  • tufftugg, on 12/30/2007, -4/+5Well, the American Government would like to have Americans think he's alive. The fear level is so high in the States, the whole World can smell it. I don't know why America thinks it has anything to offer the World
    • LucasKane, on 12/30/2007, -1/+1Except them saying they don't give a ***** about anything Bin Laden says
    • EdgarSimons, on 12/30/2007, -1/+1Just the people who have Hijacked the US Government, vote Ron Paul and save the Republic
  • timothy333, on 12/31/2007, -5/+3Of all the footage on the entire planet making news. 0.2 seconds or 0.000000000017% of it says Bin Laden is dead (when Bhutto misspoke).

    And lo and behold the other 99.9999999983% counts for nothing. Bin Laden is dead everyone! Yes really! This 0.2 seconds proves it... All the hundreds of thousands of -other- reporters on the planet are wrong. Yep. No really.
  • gigabyte3d, on 12/31/2007, -0/+7Bin Ladin's cave is in Area 51!
  • Squidly1, on 12/31/2007, -1/+4The point of him being alive or dead is actually moot. Pay attention to what some of the other radical clerics are saying - no need to spin squat - listen for yourself (I don't give two cents for what the US media says, I look for reports from elsewhere). Don't listen to Fox - else you'll be as deluded as half of the posters here.
  • pateo, on 12/31/2007, -0/+5Look out America! Bin Laden is coming to get you unless you buy as much worthless ***** as possible! Hurry up and consume or he'll appear in your room in the middle of the night and kill your kids with your HD TV.
  • obliviousfool, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2I wonder what Tim Osman thinks of all this.
  • whyufail, on 12/31/2007, -0/+6"Osama bin Laden said the United States wants to create a national unity government in Iraq to control oil supplies, build military bases and dominate the region."

    Ya know, alive or dead, he's actually pretty dead on there.
  • dbass777, on 12/31/2007, -2/+4It seems that they have dusted off another of the LATE Bin Laden's inspirational tapes for his brainwashed and totally NON-Muslim followers. It really is a shame how Bin Laden and his followers continue to embarrass the religion they profess to follow. Fact is the more we see of these tapes without any clear reference to current events, further shows he is most likely not alive and the other losers continuing his simpleton organization are simply playing back the horoscope-esque tapes he recorded preceding his death. Seems his followers are just too stupid to realize this fact. I'll believe Bin Laden is alive when he puts out a tape with content less ambiguous than Nostradamus...I wouldn't recommend holding your breath on that one though.
  • travishenrichs, on 12/31/2007, -1/+2It's really irrelevant now - whether he's dead or alive. We had the change to grab him many times in the past and failed each time.

    About a year ago I would've been the first to say Bin Laden is dead, but after listening to Robert Fisk (interviewed Bin Laden three times in the past & would've interviewed him after the 9/11 attacks had the bombings in Afghanistan not taken place at that time) and Michael Scheuer I don't think that's the case.

    It's pretty funny though, how a veteran war correspondent and the foremost expert on Bin Laden, along with Bin Laden's own words, all reach the conclusion that our foreign policy was the reason for 9/11 rather than what most supporters of the war will tell you.
  • skews13, on 12/31/2007, -2/+3pretty long winded statement for a dead *****
  • n0gnuz, on 12/31/2007, -0/+5'Bin Laden also mentioned that he was looking forward to seeing the upcoming movie "Ocean's Eleven," starring George Clooney, then finished his statement with a demand for a line of shrubberies to be planted around his family's burial plot, but stipulated that he didn't want anything too fancy, or too expensive.'
  • ChooChoo3000, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Bin Laden is alive. I saw him drinking a slurpie with Elvis and Bigfoot at 7 Eleven the other day.
  • UAEW, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1www.dubai.us
  • PhilLesh69, on 12/31/2007, -1/+2Whether or not Osama is alive is a silly argument.

    Whether or not he is capable of issuing these neocon supportive missives is another question.
  • smek2, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Funny, the reuters article doesn't mention Bin Laden as a "Dead Man" or the "Media Group". There's a word for people misleading or inserting their own ideologies into legitimate news sources.
  • buckrogers1965, on 12/31/2007, -0/+3Osama died in Dec of 2001. He went to his death professing his innocence. It was only when the fake tapes started coming out that he was suddenly a bogey man claiming to have done it all himself.

    In late 2001, he was on dialysis and would have died rather horribly because his kidneys were not working. Dialysis machines require pure water, clean power, and sterile conditions. He would have died from massive infections and renal failure if he tried to perform dialysis moving from cave to cave in Afghanistan.

    Up until Dec of 2001 he had regularly given interviews and released provably real tapes on a regular basis. At that point in time he just stopped. Not one journalist has seen him in person since. Every tape released since then has been seriously flawed in many aspects and do not prove that he is currently alive. One tape that was claimed to be a recent recording of Osama had been released years earlier.

    All intelligence agencies and police units have stopped the search for Bin-Laden and have reassigned all agents that were performing the search to other issues. The FBI does not list 9/11 on Osama's wanted poster, because they have no evidence that he had anything to do with the crime.

    One of Bin-Laden's last interviews:

    "I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. "

    "The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive."

    - Osama Bin-Laden, 28 September 2001

    • AngeloM3, on 12/31/2007, -0/+0And you got all this information from where?
      If this is just assumption... which obviously it is... please state its assumption and not fact.
      • PhilLesh69, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Wow dude. It is not speculation to see that the FBI refuses to list Osama Bin Laden as a perpetrator of 9/11. They have him on the top ten list, but not for 9/11.

        http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.h ...

        From the FBI website:

        USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE.
  • gkiltz, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Clearly, it DOES beg the question"How many people are there right now calling themselves 'Osama Bin Laden'?" It's inconceivable that these all came from the same individual! Also, a reasonable person can only conclude that someone with an ego THAT inflated is NOT going to allow themselves to be caught in a place called "Tora Bora!"
  • neozeed, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Yet more ***** CIA propaganda oooh fear the boogy man.
    Does anyone fall for this ***** anymore?
    • PhilLesh69, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1obviously many people do. Just look at all the pro-neocon comments.
  • NathanHaleFTW, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1They say 1 in 4 Americans are stupid. So sadly, 25% of the nation probably still believes he's alive.
    • PhilLesh69, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1and when you consider that 55.3% of voting age people turned out in 2004, and 50.7% of the popular vote went to GW Bush, wow, that seems to match the 25% of idiots in this country.
  • pinina73, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Funny how the world works.
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