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David Miscavige's Neice speaks out against Scientology!
ocmb.xenu.net — She supports Andrew Morton's biography on Tom Cruise and refutes the CoS spokesperson with her own bad experiences in Scientology. Sad but good read. Scientology must be stopped.
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- Grahamcracker, on 01/25/2008, -2/+33It's tragic how Scientology can tear family members apart like that, yet it's sorta funny (and telling) when Miscavige has it happen to his own close family.
BTW, does anybody else see the parallels between Scientology and West borough baptist church?- Bostocks, on 01/25/2008, -0/+17The difference between the Westboro baptist "church" and the Church of Scientology is the westboro baptists are completely insignificant. It's not much more then a couple of families who get together and yell at people, they're not even a cult, really. Once the old man dies that heads the family, they will probably fade from notoriety.
- PoeticExplosion, on 01/25/2008, -0/+11Exactly.
Scientology, on the other hand, was behind the biggest infiltration of the US government in history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
Not to mention all the lives and families they have ruined. - Grahamcracker, on 01/25/2008, -0/+6That's very true. They have zero support, and I relish the day that they disband. I just see this sort of "in-the-family" theme running through both these groups and have to wonder about what that means.
More power to those who do leave. It must take a lot of resolve to walk away when they hold all that influence. And it sends quite a message; it's happened to both groups and shakes them to the core to have someone so close just walk out.
- PoeticExplosion, on 01/25/2008, -0/+11Exactly.
- rebotfc, on 01/25/2008, -0/+2This is a very upsetting story, Scientolgy is carrying out systematic child abuse (this girl was only 12 ffs :/ ) .
Like a cancer it must be wiped from existance.
- Bostocks, on 01/25/2008, -0/+17The difference between the Westboro baptist "church" and the Church of Scientology is the westboro baptists are completely insignificant. It's not much more then a couple of families who get together and yell at people, they're not even a cult, really. Once the old man dies that heads the family, they will probably fade from notoriety.
- asagai, on 01/25/2008, -2/+23This shows how much people like Tom Cruise and Scientology representatives lie over the activities and policies of this cult!
- asagai, on 01/25/2008, -1/+43Another person speaks out! http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=59259&po ...
"You are absolutely right to come out and be up front. There are many, many families destroyed by Scientology. I am disconnected from over 30 family members because I am no longer a Scientologist and a critic of that organization. My own Mother can not speak to me. My own Son and Daughter, my Brother, my four Sisters, and all their children, cannot speak to me. I am dead to them. Now is the time to go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and tell them- "I'm MAD AS HELL, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" Reform the CofS NOW!" - vongole, on 01/25/2008, -1/+25Scientology lies about anything that might be bad PR. They publicly deny their policies of Fair Game and Disconnection. This letter demonstrates that they are liars and continue to lie. Miscavige can't even keep his own family together. They are liars. Period. Pffft!
- clamxbaker, on 01/26/2008, -0/+5That's what I've been saying. You can always tell when $cientologists are lying, their lips are moving.
- Lanefair, on 01/25/2008, -23/+3WHAT THE ***** IS A NEICE?
- kcfreels, on 01/25/2008, -2/+2Your brother or sisters children
- dracostimpy, on 01/25/2008, -0/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anise
- xdvx, on 01/25/2008, -14/+2Hard to stop Mission Impossible guy.
- entrophize, on 01/25/2008, -30/+7ENOUGH WITH THE SCIENTOLOGY ***** ALREADY
- Ozzsanity, on 01/25/2008, -2/+3Obsessive
- absurdist, on 01/25/2008, -0/+5Obvious SP. ;)
- Ozzsanity, on 01/25/2008, -28/+3Have all the Diggers become Scientolgy addicts or what. Maybe some of you can let go and move on.
- Dieris, on 01/25/2008, -1/+7This is something of a new renaissance in the Computer Era for the exchange of information and your trying to ***** all over it when we simply want to squash years of lies, theft, and murder. Ass...
- liah, on 01/25/2008, -1/+31I honestly have serious trouble most of the time believing that anyone can get involved with Scientology in the first place. What would drive someone to it? How can they get so caught up in it? Why can't they use their heads?
It's just... astonishing to me how easily people abandon not just logic-- but how easily they're abandoning their own families. How is this being accomplished? It's insane. I can't find any other word for it.
Why is something like this happening in this era?- kingmanic, on 01/25/2008, -0/+14Ever have a bad day. Ever have a day where you GF leaves you , your car breaks down, and your dog died. Now imagine that day and imagine some guy saying "hey it's all right. Do you need someone to talk to? I can listen." and after about an hour he says "Say, I know what will help. Join us. We can make it better. It's not your fault." 3 months $50,000 later your a Scientologist.
- Snuff99, on 01/25/2008, -8/+2I'm religiously homeless, I believe in something powerful but I'm not sure about the details and so I don't follow any existing religion. That said, I am clearly the minority, I think Scientology is silly to but what's the difference between this "religion" and the rest? Some people need something to believe in I suppose, what makes Scientology so much more ridiculous then the other 5 major religions? I'm only being curious, not a smart ass.
- mwalker05, on 01/25/2008, -1/+3maybe if you took the time to investigate the religions of the world you could find a home in one of them? im not going to do your work for you so go look it up.
- Snuff99, on 01/25/2008, -1/+2I started reading books on religion last year in an effort to find my way. I plan to read the Holy Bible and the Koran, in fact my brother is working in Iraq now and I've asked him to send me one. I'll find my way at some point, I appreciate your, no doubt, genuine concern.
- frishack, on 01/25/2008, -0/+3Do yourself a favor, and head over to http://www.xenu.net/ , and learn the true nature of this science fiction nightmare. Real religion at the very least doesn't have an entry fee.
- roseap, on 01/25/2008, -0/+2I think anyone can appreciate your genuine curiosity about religion in general. It's a tough subject, and I certainly don't consider myself an expert in any of them. I think the basic rule of thumb goes (with anything in general): It's ok if you're not hurting anyone (worst case is that you're just wasting your own time). I think the "big 3" mainstream religions (christianity, judiasm, islam) as well as the lesser-known eastern religions (buddism, hinduism, etc) have followers who are genuinely devoted to peace, and those who don't follow my "standard rule". In my opinion, the former at least give those religions an argument in favor.
To me, scientology seems to only break that standard rule. - thotpoizn, on 01/25/2008, -0/+2Good luck on your search, Snuff99. My take is, if there really is a higher power out there (and I believe that there is) - and if you are indeed earnestly looking for him/her/it - well, it wouldn't be much of a higher power if it couldn't arrange to be in the right place for you to find, now would he/she/it/etc.?
- mwalker05, on 01/25/2008, -1/+3maybe if you took the time to investigate the religions of the world you could find a home in one of them? im not going to do your work for you so go look it up.
- xenupenu, on 01/26/2008, -0/+1the reason this cult has been aloud to get so far is because people haven't stopped it -YET. Now all over the internet people are rallying together and starting to look deeper into their activity's. The people have awoke, we are doing something to stop these crazy drones ruining any more lives!
- truspect0r, on 01/25/2008, -1/+20"When in the cadet org I walked in on my cousin accepting small handfuls of sugary cereal to allow young boys to put there penis against or in her vagina. I yelled at them to stop but everyone in the room seemed to be in agreement with what was going on, so I walked out. " - Ex-scientologist
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=2239- Chocobot, on 01/25/2008, -0/+8What the *****?
- rossmills, on 01/25/2008, -8/+3There's been a LOT of scientology stuff on Digg. If it's to be, can we have a culmination at the end of the day, perhaps a "scientology daily news", instead of loads during the day instead? It would just make things so much simpler.
- truspect0r, on 01/25/2008, -2/+2Project Chanalogy cares about annoyed digg users and spam, but it's going out of control at the moment.
http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology#d ...
- truspect0r, on 01/25/2008, -2/+2Project Chanalogy cares about annoyed digg users and spam, but it's going out of control at the moment.
- krnldmp, on 01/25/2008, -11/+3The Bush administration is pushing for telecom immunity from prosecution for illegal spying, and trying to directly loan 145 billion dollars to "good citizens" to save its failed economic policy. Hey, look, SCIENTOLOGY!
- absurdist, on 01/25/2008, -0/+9Don't assume because you're unable to focus on more than one thing at a time that the rest of us suffer from the same malady.
- ForlornHope, on 01/25/2008, -16/+2I truly do not get the hostility to scientology. It's founding mythos are no more or less absurd than, say, cleansing your invisible soul by telepathically communicating with a Jewish carpenter. It doesn't seem any more or less likely to tear apart families or ruin individuals than any other religion. If people are happy practicing scientology, why can't we just leave them alone?
- automate, on 01/25/2008, -0/+3if only they would just practice scientology happily, instead of persecuting others.
But they dont, and that is why people cant seem to leave them alone. - Ramble, on 01/25/2008, -1/+2It's not their beliefs, it's their practises that people don't like. The church itself is evil, what they believe is no more implausible than Christianity.
- IphtashuFitz, on 01/25/2008, -0/+9A lot of people ignored a fellow by the name of Jim Jones and his "Peoples Temple" for a long time as well. A lot of the claims regarding Scientology (the preventing of members from seeing family members critical of Scientology, the claims of people giving all their money to Scientology, etc) are very similar to the claims that surrounded the Peoples Temple. Eventually 909 people, including children, either committed suicide or were murdered at their Jonestown settlement on November 18, 1978. Given that a lot of the claims surrounding Scientology are very similar to the claims and facts that emerged over the Peoples Temple (and to an extent also the whole David Koresh/Wakto Texas incident) then Scientology really should be investigated.
- everslim101, on 01/25/2008, -1/+3They KILL people to cover up LIES. What don't you understand?
- automate, on 01/25/2008, -0/+3if only they would just practice scientology happily, instead of persecuting others.
- gameradam, on 01/25/2008, -1/+14Fark Tom Cruise, Fark Scientology! L. Ron Hubbard is a *****
- SuperVepr308, on 01/25/2008, -1/+10You all might get some good reading out of Miscavige's story. In many ways, he was even more ruthless than Ron. As a very young dude working at Ron's ranch (helping with the terrible movies Hubbard was trying to make), he managed to lead a coup after L. Ron's death and wrestle control away from the dead leader's wife. She was no pushover so he must have played REAL dirty to get her to pack up and leave the money-making juggernaut to him. Make no mistake, this cat is the personification of "pit viper".
- BryanG412, on 01/25/2008, -10/+1I will say one thing, I was on the scientology website today and that ***** is still running fine. Scientologists are loving all of this publicity, their numbers are just going to grow.
- WildTurkey00, on 01/25/2008, -1/+8You're all just a bunch of SP's. Blaaaahhhhhh !!!
- baron42, on 01/25/2008, -2/+27"Dear Karin [Pouw, spokesperson for official Scientology],
"I could not resist the opportunity to write you this letter having
read your official rebuttal regarding the Tom Cruise biography.
"I have been involved in the Church of Scientology since birth. David
Miscavige as you well know is my father's brother, making him my
uncle.
"In fact you and I actually know each other although not very well.
"I cannot comment on your responses regarding the personal life of Tom
Cruise because I know nothing about this, but I am absolutely shocked
at how vehemently you insist upon not only denying the truths that
have been stated about the Church in that biography, but then take it
a step further and tell outright lies.
"You go so far as to state:
'7. Does Scientology encourage their members not to speak to
their family if they don't support the religion?
'This allegation is not only false, it is the opposite of what the
Church believes and practices.' -Karin Pouw
"As you well know, my parents officially left the Church when I was 16
in 2000. I, having been separated from them at the age of 12 and
thoroughly engulfed in the beliefs of the Church since birth decided
not to go with them.
"Not only was I not allowed to speak to them, I was not allowed to
answer a phone for well over a year, in case it was them calling me.
To give exact specifics, this "law" was enforced ruthlessly by one
Tracye Danilovoch - the local representative for the Religious
Technology Center - who intercepted all letters from my parents (and
my friends). She would then pass them on to Marc Rathbun (the then 2nd
in command of the Church) and Mike Rinder - who happens to be the
former head of YOUR office - "The Office of Special Affairs" (you can
thank me later for not elaborating on this one). Only after they had
seen the letters and decided it was ok for me to see them would I
receive some of them while sitting in a board room while they watched
me read them and asked me to comment on them.
"I was allowed to visit my parents from the age of 16-22, once a year
for a maximum of 3-4 days, but that was only after they (my parents)
threatened legal action if the Church got in the way of this and even
then only after I underwent a "Security Check Confessional" before I
saw them and immediately after I came back. A security check is
interrogation (usually about if I intend on leaving the Church, or
finding out if my parents have said anything bad about the Church,
etc.) while being attached to an electrophsychometer which is similar
to a lie detector. This happened every single time I saw then (which
was never more than 3 or 4 days a year).
"For a more recent example of families being destroyed, My Aunt
Jennifer Pantermeuhl has recently contacted my parents and let them
know that she can no longer speak to them or be in contact with them
because they speak to and live near, my other Aunt Sarah Mortland.
Sarah is my mom's and Jennifer's sister. This is because Sarah is not
in favor with the Church. Jennifer also contacted my brother Sterling
as well as the rest of the family for the same reason most of whom had
to lie to her and said they weren't talking to Sarah for fear of
getting found out about.
"Another good example would be when my other brother, Justin, was in
Florida a few years ago and was on his way to visit our Aunt Denise
Gentile (our father's sister and David Miscavige's twin) with his
girlfriend. Denise abruptly cancelled while they were on their way
over because the Church would not approve - because he was an ex-
member. Not to mention the fact that Kirsten Caetano (a member of the
Church's Office of Special Affairs - the very same organization you
belong to) was contacting Justin several times when he was in Florida
working, telling him that he needed to leave the state because he is
an ex-member and his presence at the "mecca of scientology" was
disturbing to the church. Kristen has admitted to my face that she did
this when I confronted her and even went so far as to admit that she
lied to my brother after denying the incident. This is the least of
what Kirsten Caetano has done!
"You cite this quote from L.Ron Hubbard about what the Church believes
with regards to families..... yes we know what the Church claims to
"believe" and has written in its policies! - BUT do they practice
that? Absolutely not!
" I can name at least 5 friends off the top of my head who's family
members are not allowed to speak to them without being themselves
ousted from the Church and prevented from communicating with other
members of their family and even their children still involved in the
Church lest THEY too be ousted! They cant speak to their children
because they have left the Church on their own determinism. This is a
widespread practice and if you dare deny it I have a list of all of
there names together-these people's families are crying every day
because they can't speak to their children who did nothing but leave
the Church of their own free will.
"If I am in fact wrong and you want to prove me as such, then allow me
and my family to be in contact with our family members that are still
part of the Church such as my Grandpa, Ron Miscavige, and his wife,
Becky. Allow the same of my friends. And don't even start with the,
"it's their choice all along story..." -nobody is going to buy that,
there are way too many destroyed families for that to be true.
"I am tempted to take up many of the other accusations you
categorically deny in your novel, but for the purpose of keeping this
letter readable and focused on the most important part (family) I will
resist.
"I will suggest however that maybe you should spend the manpower and
time of drafting your masterpiece rebuttal - why don't you take the
high road for once and put that time towards repairing the families
you have destroyed, starting with the family of David Miscavige
himself - hell, if Scientology can't keep his family together - then
why on earth should anyone believe the Church helps bring families
together!
"Best,
"Jenna Miscavige Hill" - Ozzsanity, on 01/25/2008, -18/+3Lets talk about what a clown Jesus Christ was.
- bcamp1973, on 01/25/2008, -1/+5off topic. shut up
- Ozzsanity, on 01/25/2008, -16/+2Jesus Christ and the Christian freaks are just as laughable as the Scientologists. Jesus the guy who can move the sea and make magic tricks with bread.
- bcamp1973, on 01/25/2008, -1/+7seriously, shut up
- poweribo, on 01/25/2008, -1/+5>Jesus the guy who can move the sea and make magic tricks with bread.
you got the wrong guy. is southpark your source of information? cartoon network?- Ozzsanity, on 01/25/2008, -8/+1It's hard to keep track of all those characters in the comic book known as the bible. Jesus was the guy who walked on the water
- eviscero, on 01/25/2008, -1/+1Salvation with Jesus costs nothing - Salvation with Scientomogy costs $100,000 USD.
Get a clue.
- smacksaw, on 01/25/2008, -1/+9Beneath the lulz, this story tugs at the heart of Anon.
- Ozzsanity, on 01/25/2008, -9/+1Scientology believes they have the only true answers and then they fly off to a paradise in a spaceship. Christians believe they have all the true answers and then they fly off to heaven on the wings of angels.
- everslim101, on 01/25/2008, -1/+8Description of the Photos of Lisa McPherson
Dr. Robert Davis performed the autopsy. Here is his description of the appearance of the body:
I prefer, if I can, to refer to Hippocratic facies, and the reason is because there are multiple aspects to that. First of all, "facies" refers to a particular facial appearance and it's a gaunt look, if you will. The skin is tight to palpation or to feeling. You don't feel an abundance of soft tissue. The orbits, which is to say the rims around the eyes are prominent, The globes or eyeballs tend to be sunken. The cheek bones are prominent. The cheeks tend to be sunken and the jaw -- mandible or jaw bones tend to be prominent. And to me, the word "gaunt" is perhaps a word that lay people can relate to. Certainly if there's crusting; for instance, if secretions from the nose or the mouth, there's no obvious liquid and it appears dry.
The photos I have selected show Lisa's face, back, elbow and leg.
Terms & Conditions
In order to view selected photos taken during the autopsy of Lisa McPherson, I agree to be bound by the following conditions.
1) I understand that the photos I am requesting are actual autopsy photos of a woman who suffered before her death during 17 days of captivity by the Church of Scientology, and that the photos depict marks left by that captivity. I represent that I am not likely to suffer unusual or lasting emotional distress or upset from viewing these photos.
2) I understand that the photos are not subject to copyright law, but I agree not to download and/or print these scans of the photos for use on signs, other web pages that do not contain a warning and/or disclaimer, handouts, or other printed matter.
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You know, for a religion like Scientology, descriptions and disclaimers like these are a little too hard to swallow.
You sure you wanna be a part of a religion that does this to those who wish to leave? - mlvassallo, on 01/25/2008, -1/+8All this Scientology stuff is like one big ARG playing out before us. It would be more fun if real lives weren't at steak. :/
- ohlawds, on 01/25/2008, -2/+7Even the family of the Pope of Scientology turns against the org.
SMASH THESE ***** INTO OBLIVION ANON. - GeekXian, on 01/25/2008, -8/+3Will someone please wake me up when the kids get bored of their little hobby?
- beatleman, on 01/25/2008, -1/+6What we all need to remember (which is obviously being swept under the rug by the higher ups of Scientology) is that the basic rule remains, " I before E, except after C."
- pitdog, on 01/25/2008, -0/+10L.R.Hubbard's own son spoke against the cult, clearly stated it was a manipulative evil scheme designed by an old crazy drunk (his father). Read about it on the net - Hubbard's own son a big opponent of the cult.
- nutsackninja, on 01/25/2008, -1/+4[Free speech is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of Scientology International]
- rebotfc, on 01/25/2008, -0/+4Well reading that i think it is obvious...
Scientology commits systematic child abuse, it must be destroyed. - hijinksensue, on 01/25/2008, -0/+2How Tom Cruise Remember's 9/11
http://hijinksensue.com/2008/01/24/tom-cruise-is-t ... - greenvortex, on 01/25/2008, -0/+7As personal assistant to a famous Scientologist in the late 1980's, I spent many months hanging around their Celebrity Centre, shooting the breeze with the likes of Giovanni Ribisi and Lisa Marie Presley. People there just assumed I was in the cult and didn't hide anything from me. I even did auditing. My friend introduced me to John Travolta at their annual celebrity bash. He picked me up off the floor as he gave me a bear hug. There was a variety show of sorts that night, which included Edgar Winter performing a song written by Hubbard. David Miscavige took the stage at one point and performed a mind-blowing juggling routine while riding on a unicycle. Frankly, for all the time I spent around upper-level OTs, it was the only time that I ever saw any Scientologist do anything I couldn't do. Back then you could get up to OT27 or something like that (before they re-calibrated the OT levels). In a room full of them, no one could find my friend's set of lost car keys. One day my gay cousin was over and my friend hit on him when they were alone. This despite homosexuality being "out ethics". He must have confessed this in auditing; which I think is pretty much how Scientology is able to keep certain celebrities even after they wise up.
- flipmeat, on 01/25/2008, -0/+6Hail Xenu!
- sabrina777, on 01/25/2008, -0/+5I knew Jenna back when I worked at Flag. I am glad to hear she is out. This cult must be exposed!
- polyh3dron, on 01/26/2008, -0/+6Wow.. It must have taken a ***** of courage for Miscavige's niece to speak out against the CoS. Of course they'll shrug it off saying that she's a former member of the church with a vendetta and that it's more of a family rebellion issue etc. When you're that deep if you come out like that EVERYONE YOU KNOW disowns you. Kudos to Jenna.
- ThaSco, on 01/26/2008, -0/+2Wow.. the latest salvo. And an extremely important one. A caving in from the inside out seems to be the order for the end.
- asagai, on 01/26/2008, -0/+1Here's another story of what Scientology does to its members
http://digg.com/people/Another_abuse_story_from_an ... - FallenGriever, on 01/26/2008, -0/+1How long until the Scientology legal machine tries to take away this criticism of it's actions?
- geezluweez27, on 01/26/2008, -0/+0niece is spelled NIECE.
- Alexwo1, on 01/28/2008, -2/+0Am i the only who thinks these "we are legion" "ANON" people are living in some sort of quasi fantasy land. Your obvious wet dreams to be V from Vendetta or some other resistance against the vast evil-doers(of Scientology) is a joke. Like Scientology is somehow the root of evil and if they aren't stopped, life as we know it is going to cease to exist. The effort spent on harassment of Scientology is worthless. What is really the best that can come? Is this fight some type of subconscious excuse to leave reality? Do you feel like a freedom fighter? Maybe if you even put a % of you effort into something that had real world meaning you'd be someone. Raising money for starving children, or trying to end genocide in Africa, Or exposing all the ***** that lies in our politics would make you someone great who helped the world. Right now your really doing ***** for ***** sake. This obsession on insignificant trivial things is whats ruining this world. turning on every news station hearing about heath ledger speculation is probably what your into.
Bury me all you want. - SeraphV, on 01/30/2008, -0/+0I admire Jenna's courage for speaking out about an institution that is the worst kind of dictatorship in existence in this day and age. I hope she will not suffer any repercussions and wish her well.
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