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Darwin in Action? Polio Rises as Muslim Clerics Declare War on Vaccines

guardian.co.uk — The parents of 24,000 children refused to allow health workers to administer polio vaccine. Aid workers are being targeted due to the "vaccines are evil American plot" idea. Fatwa on employees of the UN, WHO and all other foreign organisations: "Killing their employees is in line with the teachings of jihad in Islam," said a notice.

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  • cleanshots, on 10/12/2007, -12/+87For once I agree with the MSM on this one, let's ignore this and not mention anything about it, and (maybe the problem will go away).

    Shedding light on problems with Islamic teachings is not our affair,, RIGHT????
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -10/+219I've had enough of these ***** fatwas and these lying imams. They have no regard for truth. From Denmark to Britain to Gaza to Iran to Pakistan, whether Shia or Sunni, Islamic authorities continually amaze me at how low they will go, how brazenly dishonest they are, the kinds of lies they will embrace with self-righteous indignation, and how evil they are. Too bad it is the children who suffer the consequences of their evil. The aid workers should wash their hands and shake the dust off their feet; their blood is on their own heads. I know some cults refuse certain medical services on religious grounds, but attacking aide workers is totally out of line.
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -9/+98This would be Darwin's theory in action if as a result of this, those tribal areas with the fatwas against vaccination ended up with populations of people who are naturally immune to polio a generation or two from now, or if they simply died out. As of now, it's just unfortunate that so many kids will have their lives ruined by polio because of the ignorance of their these imams.
    • Heracles, on 10/12/2007, -5/+135Many of these self-styled imams are illiterate and have had no formal Islamic teachings. They just repeat what they've heard or what they think is right. When the number of children affected with polio rises, these imams will just say that the Americans poisoned their food or water. They'll twist the truth so that the blame lies somewhere else. Sad.
    • doctechnical, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35No, I think this does count as a mass-scale "Darwin" with the big difference that the parents are the ones pulling the trigger on Uncle Chuck's .45 Evolver. It's the kids that'll suffer, polio ain't no bowl of cherries.

      Bastards.
    • AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18@berkana: those more fit to survive in the current world are at a much greater advantage than those who would essentially be evolving into the same traits. Evolution like this would take many, many generations, while those with the vaccine remain ahead of the game the entire time. If the polio virus were to evolve, (viruses evolve much more quickly than animals, although Polio is not a retrovirus, so it wouldn't evolve nearly as quickly as influenza) the population without the vaccine could easily be back to square one for evolving, while a new vaccine could could most likely be created in months.

      in a morbid way, yes, this is Darwinism, it just sucks that it has to be the children who suffer.
    • Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -14/+34All they care about are their 42 virgins after they blow up their neighbors. It's a sad truth that we just have to deal with. And if Darwin is working his magic, I'm all for it.
    • cspring, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32Those ignorant dumb asses. How stupid can one segment of the world's population actually be? Those people live 3000 years ago.
    • OxyCoLiberty, on 10/12/2007, -16/+8@cleanshots.. Darwin (1) vs No-Vaccinated Muslims (0) Yes, to all you Politically Correct tightwads, I'm profiling... who cares, I mean if you gonna go all out with Joe Rogan vs Carlos you can not judge me in saying I'm glad they decided not to take the vaccines.

      just my two cents
    • DAGONthehauge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Evolution in action. It's a free world isn't it? Average IQ rises, everyone wins. Too bad all those polio-stricken children will cost a bundle in the next generation.

      So they worry about vaccines. I am curious to see how panicked these medievalists will be when the nanotechnology/biotechnology revolution gets going. Or widespread robotization.
    • xeric2, on 10/12/2007, -15/+58Did people not read the article?

      "Health workers fanning across the province last month were equipped with copies of a fatwa, or religious order, endorsing the vaccinations and signed by Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the leaders of Pakistan's most powerful religious parties."

      Every religion has a number of extremists. Would you like Christianity to be defined solely by Fred Phelps? Why slander Islam in its entirety because of the minority of extremists? In this case a few radical clerics are against immunization. I've heard of similar nutcases in the US that are against immunization for the same crackpot reasons.
      Please, THINK before you lump everybody together with the nutjobs.
    • otheruser, on 10/12/2007, -4/+44Darwinism? Nah, this is a disgusting example of ignorance. The article sums it up quite well, it's Anti-American propaganda mixed with religious misinformation.

      I don't have a problem with people refusing medical treatment - to each his own. But to refuse treatment for your child on the basis of hearsay is simply ignorant and irresponsible.

      As a Muslim of Pakistani descent, this is extremely disturbing to hear. Islam permits using ANY kind of substance for medicinal purposes, regardless of halal or haram. And there can be no justification for the murder of civilians - regardless of their national/political affiliation.

      This isn't about the Quran and its teachings regarding vaccination (didnt exist...), this is about ignorant Islamic clerics and general misinformation being spread without foreign intervention (in the tribal areas, the government is considered foreign).
    • biffsputnik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@amishrefugee
      But for the record, influenza is not a retrovirus either.
    • killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17If they don't want our vaccines, maybe they will at least accept some used blankets we may have laying around.
    • nbhagwat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@ amishrefugee:
      "although Polio is not a retrovirus, so it wouldn't evolve nearly as quickly as influenza"

      The Influenza virus is not a retrovirus.

      Ooops... biffsputnik already pointed that out. Sorry!!
    • ArchonSG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@otheruser
      No, this is about being in power, exercising one's said power over people who put their trust in you and doing everything you can to stay in power even if it means killing the next generation off.
      And its not about ignorance either, since ignorance is something that can be cured if one is willing to listen, learn and use something that god gave everyone of us. Our brain.
      Idiocy on the other hand, is a whole different kettle of fish.

      They want to commit self genocide, I say let them.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10@ xeric
      You wrote

      "Health workers fanning across the province last month were equipped with copies of a fatwa, or religious order, endorsing the vaccinations and signed by Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the leaders of Pakistan's most powerful religious parties." Every religion has a number of extremists. Would you like Christianity to be defined solely by Fred Phelps? Why slander Islam in its entirety because of the minority of extremists?

      Umm, how are Fred Phelps -- a guy with a sign and twenty relatives -- and "leaders of Pakistan's most powerful religious parties" similar? The Muslim Holy Men pushing this insanity are LEADERS OF LARGE RELIGIOUS PARTIES. Fred Phelps is a fringe joke. Christianity may be no bargain, but it's got a few hundred years on Islam, which seems to be stuck somewhere in the Dark Ages.
    • omgbanana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@xeric

      Whenever I see someone refer to Fred Phelps and his posse, the text often reads, "those Christians", or "they".

      In regards to Fred Phelps and his crew:
      They are awful people.
      In regards to Muslim leaders in the east who do not allow their followers vaccines:
      They are awful people.

      Where did anyone say, "Polio rate will spike, kill ALL Muslims, and the world will be better off without Muslims" I believe all that was said was "they". "They" is a personal pronoun. In this case it refers to "Evil Muslim leaders" not "Muslims".
    • blaze03, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Previously on Battlestar Galactica...
    • AegisGFX, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Well good, I hope all religious people will reject all medical science as "the work of the devil". That way that will all die off in the most horrible ways imaginable.

      Earths problems would then be solved.
    • xeric2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@ admiraladama

      Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?
      The quote I used was: "Health workers fanning across the province last month were equipped with copies of a fatwa, or religious order, endorsing the vaccinations and signed by Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the leaders of Pakistan's most powerful religious parties."

      The leaders of the most powerful religious parties ENDORSED the vaccinations. That means they are FOR the vaccinations, as opposed to some small number of goofballs. Apparently you let your prejudice blind you to the facts here, not unlike the goofballs.
    • counterplex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@admiraladama

      You wrote:
      "The Muslim Holy Men pushing this insanity are LEADERS OF LARGE RELIGIOUS PARTIES."

      Read the article a little more carefully. Or you can read xeric2's comment that you were replying to:

      "Health workers fanning across the province last month were equipped with copies of a fatwa, or religious order, endorsing the vaccinations and signed by Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the leaders of Pakistan's most powerful religious parties."

      Clearly the LEADERS OF LARGE RELIGIOUS PARTIES are OPPOSING this INSANITY. Next time, fan the right flames.

      Edit: nice, xeric2 beat me to it :)
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Xeric -- apologies, I misread.
    • Setari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@adama

      Read your own quote. The leaders of the big parties are endorsing the vaccines. It's a few crazies that are against them.
    • jazbek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ AdmiralAdama
      You wrote:
      "Umm, how are Fred Phelps -- a guy with a sign and twenty relatives -- and "leaders of Pakistan's most powerful religious parties" similar? The Muslim Holy Men pushing this insanity are LEADERS OF LARGE RELIGIOUS PARTIES."

      ...REREAD this please: "Health workers fanning across the province last month were equipped with copies of a fatwa, or religious order, ENDORSING THE VACCINATIONS and signed by Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the leaders of Pakistan's most powerful religious parties."

      This IS a sad and disturbing story story, but everyone please keep in mind that these problems are being propagated by fringe extremist muslim clerics in rural, uneducated areas. The mainstream muslim and pakistani population are not refusing vaccinations OR killing health workers. Don't let the extremist who posted this article cloud your interpretation with his biased spin on it.
    • smackhero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1for all the retards who think this is "darwinism" in action, biological evolution plays no part in cultural ignorance. any individual growing up in a similar cultural climate may very well adopt the same attitudes and beliefs. unless you're implying that these individuals have a genetic disposition towards anti-western sentiments you're just as ignorant thinking that the death of their offspring is some how human evolution taking place.
    • d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is pretty dumb. Medicines and vaccines are actually Darwinian evolution in inaction. It puts a (temporary) halt to evolution and natural selection. Many studies focusing on comparing groups of people who have 5+ generations of modern health care compared to groups with no modern health care found that the groups without modern health care are genetically and fundamentally healthier than those that have had multi-generational health care. Note that in the US, the population of those with chronic diseases and conditions requiring medicine and treatment to remain alive or healthy is approaching 90% of the population. While similar populations in portions of Brazil that do not have access to or don't participate in modern health care have only 2% - 5% of their populations that would require modern medicine or health care to live or be healthy.
      I think the joke is on us. Creating the most genetically unhealthy population in the history of the planet! Yeah for us!
      Also, the Darwinian correction can only be delayed not stopped. The correction WILL be made at some point in time.
    • rac3r5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well what you guys should know is that these people are illiterate tribal people, many who are easily swayed under the cover of religion. Think of them as the redNecks of Pakistan. There are a bunch of these people in any country including developed countries like US, Canada, UK and Germany.
    • ArchonSG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Can't believe that you guys still can't see the real picture. Its not about islam, since you can insert any religion in its place, what most said about these imams still would ring true.
      Most of you got the point that these people are illiterate, that while their "top" leaders agree to the vaccination, the ones who are swaying the masses are against it.

      What you are missing is that it doesn't matter if the leaders are for the vaccination, its one thing to say that you are for it but do nothing when people who claim that they have religious leadership start preaching otherwise. How much sway can these "top religious" leaders have if more then a few imams are given a free hand in preaching against vaccinations and violence against health workers who are innocents and are just trying to help your people?
      You can can yourself a "top" leader but as long as they aren't doing anything about these imams, they are as good as endorsing their slanted views. One would think that if they are really the authorial religious leaders, you'd think what they say would carry some weight and denounce very publicly the views of these imams and their twisted preachings of violence against health workers and do it in ways that would reach the people affected by these imams.

      Its one thing to say that you are a man of God / Peace / religious leader but if you can't or wont do anything or say anything when people like that start spouting religious dogma, what good are you as a "religious leader?"

      I'll say it again, and I'll be dugg down or this thread is no longer of any interest to diggers anymore but these imams are not interested in religion or the spiritual well being of the people they have sway over. Its about being in power, abusing that power and doing all they can to stay in power, this applies to BOTH the imams and the supposed Islamic leaders.
      IIts about keeping the status quo stagnant. Not one of these leaders are willing to take these imams to task because it would be cause a some nastiness within the order, and be seen as "brother striking against brother".
      Its a lot easier to them to just ignore the obviously false preachings of these "holy" men and ignore them and be seen as religion in sync then to oppose them and stir up a hornets nest or god forbid, be under a religious nut's fatwa.
    • AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"But for the record, influenza is not a retrovirus either."

      really? damnit, i need to brush up on my biology, sorry about that...
    • Antebios, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Just left these ***** go on believing this crazy american-zionist plot so they can all die from polio. The more crazies that die, the less we have to deal with. It is Darwinst at its best!
  • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -15/+35We Have a Global War on Terror, the Umma has a Global War on Vaccines
    • fancypantscz, on 10/12/2007, -22/+73Both equally self defeating and retarded
    • whyaay, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12I think that's completely wrong. Plenty of muslims out there get vaccinations and what not. Just cause a couple crazy people who claim to have any sense of teaching spew that its an conspiracy you automatically lump everyone together? There are plenty of similar cases of this from africa, south america, asia, and its not just muslims, its ignorance.
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6This is not islam, this is stupid people. By your own logic, you deserve to be executed for clinging to the religious atheism of Joseph Stalin. Quit being a bigot and large portions of the world will stop trying to blow you up..
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4The victimhood fetish and violent intimidation of Jihadists in one sentence by Krymore: "Quit being a bigot and large portions of the world will stop trying to blow you up.."
    • counterplex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@admiraladama

      "We Have a Global War on Terror, the Umma has a Global War on Vaccines"

      You, apparently, have a global war on muslims. Aren't the cylons enough?
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1We must distinguish between Jihadists and Muslims, and try to split the two, just as I am trying to split the Cylons with my wooing of Sharon
    • Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sounds like the last episode of BSG..
      Damn Saggitarions.

      Jimzip :D
    • rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One of the biggest problems with Polio outbreaks, is they always follow the release of the DDT pesticide. There are many documented cases on this, and it should be investigated. The World Health Organization may be trying to do good throughout the world, but whenever large pharmaceutical companies get involved, watch out. I have a relative in the Rotary and they have the biggest hearts for trying to vaccinate all the poor children of the world. It is a great sentiment, but when the vaccines actually get to the people in Africa and other parts of the world, some of them are tainted. There have been documented cases of AIDS tainted vaccines, bad vaccine batches, and other batches that simply cause problems.

      The problem with these big pharma companies is that when problems go wrong with a huge batch of drugs, where do you think they send them? They certainly don't destroy them, they are sold to the International market. This is very bad practice.
    • ozziegt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What a crock of *****. Seriously. You use words like "the Ummah" and "war on vaccines" to say this is something which a large portion of Muslims believe in, when in reality it's just a small group of crackpot (and illiterate) leaders in Northern Pakistan.
    • d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Remind me. What are the benefits of vaccines again? Aside from ensuring the propagation of unhealthy genes.
  • Retsudo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30This kind of reminds me of an early proto-christian sect called the Essenes. They had this big religious ritual after going to the toilet where they would have to ritually cleanse themselves by wading through a pond (and some other stuff, big tradition etc) - which is why they died out, because they all got cholera and other diseases from their crazy rituals.
  • mrharvey518, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I can't believe that the first guy to comment on this article has the name "cleanshots".

    Good title for this post though.
    • jefdub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Nice observation on the first comment… but I actually take issue with the title of the article. Darwin’s ‘survival of the fittest’ really has no relevance to the kids who will suffer and die from this horrific disease. These kids are victims of poverty and (lack of) education. They are not weaker or less fit. Lest we forget, “there but for the grace of God go I.”
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Parents who fall for this crap may be stupider than the rest of society, if their genes die out this seems like survival of the fittest....
    • jefdub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@admiraladama

      Yeah right. Those stupid, uneducated, poor people. Better that they just die. You should be careful calling other Kettles stupid, Mr. Pot.

      I can’t tell, is that Edward James Olmos in your profile pic or Hitler?
    • Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I can’t tell, is that Edward James Olmos in your profile pic or Hitler?"

      Oh, is that who it is? I thought it was Borat!
  • guinness3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10What if these clerics were to produce a vaccine of some sort that we were in need of and gave it to us freely would people willingly take it?
    • doctechnical, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Replace "vaccine" with "oil" and watch people lne up.
    • halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@doctechnical

      Would that oil perchance be made from Snakes??
    • OxyCoLiberty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@gunniess3 depends.. do i have enough time to allow the FDA to test it for me on lab rats and unsuspecting countries outside of the USA?
    • crysys, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Replace vaccine with cowbell and your damn right I would.

      I got a fever...
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2What this world needs is a little MORE COWBELL.
  • Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+50penicillin,measles shot, polio vaccine.

    The Axis of Evil.
    • Sneakernets, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14What *isn't* evil with this religion now?
    • Taikun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Sneakernets

      Killing the innocent, apparently.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6for the Jihadists killing the innocent is "resisting the infidel". but vaccinating Children is an Evil American Plot. It's "Bizarro World" brought to you by Islam!
  • bigjoeportagee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+47did I not just read a story about people in texas trying to overturn the law stating the girls have to get the hpv vaccine?
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251751,00.html

    Not a serious as polio, but makes you think, what is common in both cases?
    • Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Totally agree, but in that case Merck should be substantially lowering the price of the vaccine. Since they want it to be mandatory sixth grade girls, a 360 dollar price tag is way too much. Vaccines should be affordable if they're required..no matter how honorable the end result may be.
    • Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I think the argument in texas is that it can be prevented by not having sex. This isn't the case with polio.

      Yes in Texas most of the people supporting this argument are religious, but they aren't claiming anything as outrageous as the vaccine being an evil plot.
    • tekrat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Your comparing a fast-tracked, largely untested vaccine to a vaccine that has been out and refined for generations. Also, the HPV vaccine is marketed as stopping cervical cancer.

      The vaccine in reality may only stop a small number viruses found the HPV family and we don't know the long term effects. I say make the HPV vaccine voluntary for 10 years and let people choose if they want the vaccine. We can watch the people who take and see if they have any long term effect. The polio vaccine has been out for decades and has been proved 99%+ effective; can you say that about the HPV vaccine?
    • fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Not an evil plot, they do claim it will increase promiscuity in teenagers by reducing one of the potential dangers of sex.
    • aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Wait. So we're going to lose the Arabs and Texans?

      In a few generations, the US will be in pretty good shape. Now if we can just find a way to wipe out Boston, we're set.

      .....Light brites, you say!
    • luther70, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Or the Christians in Africa Preaching against condom use while doing AIDS relief.
    • PixelVision, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7the logic of the texans is that having sex is worse than having cancer

      Scenario A: "Our daughter slept around because she had the vaccination!"
      Scenario B: "Our daughter slept around and died of cancer"
    • Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Woah woah woah.... I'm against that law too (they're trying to pass it in my state). Not because I'm against the vaccine, my daughter will be getting it. but the state law says if she DOESN'T get it, she can't go to school. I'll be damned if I'm going to be for the state putting arbitrary vaccinations on the list of things required for SCHOOL. Sure, diseases that are spread through school, that is justifiable. But I do NOT want to be on the path of allowing SCHOOL to be a bargaining chip for the government to use to make us do what they want.
    • odmonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15No, the objections to the HPV vaccine are because:
      A) The vaccine is *very* new, *very* expensive, not widely tested yet, and is being made *mandatory*.
      If in two years it turns out it causes some serious side effect, a whole generation of girls will be adversely affected.
      This should be optional, and far, far cheaper, and targeted at older girls who can judge their own risk for themselves.
      It would be like mandating Norplant, for example, for birth control, right after it was approved.
      Oh, wait, wasn't there some kind of scandal *very* much like that?
      B) This governor has a reputation of pushing things through based on lobbyist payoffs, and the lobbyist in question is yet another ex-aide of his.
      We Texans are getting kind of tired of this kind of thing.
    • elley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@odmonk
      The problem with giving it to older girls is that run the risk of giving it to girls that have already had sex which would make the vaccine pointless then. But I do agree with you that it's too expensive and too new to be mandatory.
    • texpundit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The thing that people are missing about the Texas case is that it's not a law, it's a decree by Rick Perry (the governor) that was never run through the state legislature. HE just decided that all girls had to get this shot (which is an almost untested vaccine) or they can't go to school...which is really scary considering that NOONE knows the long term side effects of the drug.

      The whole thing just screams of him being in Merck's pocket.

      That... and the beginning of forced governmental medication. Anyone seen "Equilibrium?"
    • Ellsass, on 11/05/2008, -0/+5@Liam76

      Contrary to popular belief, you can get HPV without having sex, and it happens often.
    • zolaar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@Screwy1138

      It's not an arbitrary vaccination, guy - its a vaccination for HPV. When they want to add the "Anti-HomoDyke Treatment" vaccine to the required list, oppose *that* law. Do not oppose one that will do some *very* serious good simply because your mental slope is potentially capable of being made slippery.
  • RedHerringHack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Once again it is proven that ignorance is deadly. No matter what happens, it will
    be Americas fault.


    It's just too bad that America ever existed, what with their evil vaccines, antibiotics and health care.


    Think about it. You would probably be dead.
    • Sneakernets, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19The evil West and their concern for human life grrr!1

      @Achalemoipas

      And? Replace "America" with "The West" and it works.
    • technogenius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+82+2 does equal 5, Winston. for the love of big brother

      @Achalemoipas...A lot of people equate US and "the west" together---read the news
    • profOblivion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+72+2 = 5 for large values of 2.

      OT, but had to say it ;)
    • Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"None of those were invented or discovered by americans."

      do we have to invent or discover something to support it?
    • Skeptic1970, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Achalemoipas

      Ever here Salk? You know the american that created the 1st Polio Vaccine.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk

    • RedHerringHack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Jonas Salk was born in New York City October 28, 1914

      What did Salk do? Just Invented The Polio Vaccine?

      What do you mean that America Didn't Invent the Vaccine?
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4x-tually maybe these Imams have a point -- i believe both Salk and Sabin, the inventors of the polio vaccine, were Americans and Joooooooooooooooos too!
    • zandernat, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1It's not America's fault. Your government was taken over by criminals in 1947. The American people are good. The originators of the vaccination process were wonderfully intentioned. All of that was stolen by the criminal government and their eugenicists who took complete control in 1947. Try WhatisthEndgame.com if you want to know more.
  • Skeptic1970, on 10/12/2007, -12/+31Deny science at your own risk. If they don't want it ***** em. Let them die. Same for the Evangelical ***** heads that want to refuse the HPV vaccine. If you do not want the help then go and die. but when you get polio or cancer your on your own. Maybe prayer will work, but you get no medical help.

    ***** stupid faithheads.
    • aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7Make no mistake about it. If there were a virus that killed you when you had sex outside of marraige, Evangelicals would administer it to all of their children.
    • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5 Yeah,their claim is it will increase promiscuity in teenagers by reducing one of the potential dangers of sex, which I call BS.
      And just because they think that way does not mean teenagers think that way..
      Sometimes I wish we could take all the fundies,remove all the non-fundies from Hawaii and dump the fundies on it so they can cerate their own little fantasy world.
      It would be interesting to see how repressive it would be if they had total control of the entire island.
    • Cannfodd3r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@Waterrat. Screw that. Why would you want to give them somewhere as nice as Hawaii? There's got to be some ***** island off the coast of Alaska or something.
    • Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The media has totally twisted the opposition to the HPV vaccine, and you're all suckers to their ploy.

      I don't give a ***** about religious or moral implications of this, and neither do many others. But I struggle with the state's rights to force me to take a vaccine for something that doesn't endanger the state. I'm sorry but if you're pro-choice this should ring strongly with you. The state has no right over my body, right?
    • bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Why wouldn't you want to get this vaccine and eradicate the main cause of cervical cancer. The HPV Vaccine only deals with 4 of the 99 strains of HPV, but those 4 are the ones that cause cervical cancer. Not only should the girls get it, but guys too, you can be a carrier of these strains. The $360 price tag is a little much, but eradicating disease is worth it. When they come up with an HIV vaccine it should be mandatory for everyone as well.

      I'm a libertarian at heart, but in some cases, it's just worth it.
  • Shayer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36"The Apostle of God said: `There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur'an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it. The mosques will be full of people but they will be empty of right guidance. The religious leaders (Fuqaha) of that day will be the most evil religious leaders under the heavens; sedition and dissension will go out from them and to them will it return.' " -ibn Babuya, Thawab ul-A'mal

    All these momentous events are to be preceded by warnings and announcements attempting to bring people back to the religion of Allah (SWT) and the Straight Path, after they have divided themselves into factions and sects which, "disown each other and curse each other" (surah 29:25).
    • hplasm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3The religious leaders are 'Fuqahas' ?

      hmmm... comments?
    • Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Sounds exactly like Revelations in the Holy Bible my friend.
    • Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes Noc, but the issue is they're trying to MAKE IT HAPPEN.
    • bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1It will fail like all religions do as the society in general becomes more educated.
  • CopperFalcon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Keep in mind that there are a lot of crazies out there "protecting" their kids from vaccines. For example, in Britain, a lot of people have been scared of a link between autism and the MMR vaccine. As a result, fewer kids are taking the vaccine and measles is becoming more prevalent. They are not Muslim, nor are they even religiously motivated in this case.

    Ignorance kills.
    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Except there was a study published that had "inconclusive evidence" of a link between autism and the combined MMR vaccine.

      This was pushed by the Government on the grounds of cost: a single vaccine is cheaper to administer than three. However, both options are not available. Either you have the combined vaccine or nothing at all. /That/ is why measles rates are up (if they are), not because people are "crazies" or "ignorant."
    • Cfer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Doesn't sound so crazy if there are reports of the vaccines causing Autism now does it...But this Fatwa sounds ludicrous.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@copperfalcon,

      you wrote "They are not Muslim, nor are they even religiously motivated in this case."

      You might be onto something here. Maybe infidels are stupid enough to believe that fatwas by "Muslim Holy Men" and "leaders of Large Religous Parties in Pakistan" have nothing to do with Islam. Keep it going.
    • zandernat, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1My goodness! Every person who reads knows that vaccines are causing brain damage and disease. If you'd like to see a short and sweet video about it, have a look here http://digg.com/health/Vaccines_Exposed_A_Hidden_C ...
  • demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10The FSM will protect me against fake noodle sauce!

    RAmen!
    • Karmalary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd Really Rather You Didn't #5. "I'd Really Rather You Didn't Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then Go After The B*******."
  • Hercules, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Darwin would be proud his theories are being proven right time and time again by so many stupid people.
    • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6 The sad part is these stupid people keep reproducing and making more stupid people which they brainwash and it just goes on and on.
    • Methodius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Idiocracy in action, folks.
  • BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30Darwin and Orwell - The two most often referenced by people who haven't read a word of their stuff.
    • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2 Ive read their stuff.
      1984 Ive read several times and saw the movie.
    • Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2i read the cliff's notes... that good enough?
  • Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26> Fatwa on employees of the UN, WHO and all other foreign organisations: "Killing their employees is in line with the teachings of jihad in Islam," said a notice.

    Ahh, Islam... the religion of peace.
    • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Let's not forget the large majority of Muslims who fail to denounce these radical imams as fringe lunatics.
    • Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2let us not forget about FF7, in which cl1mh4224rd's name was born.
    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3"fail to denounce"

      Does the average American go out and denounce extremist Christian preachers? No. Would anyone pay any attention if they did? No.

      Does the average Pakistani go out and denounce extremist Muslim imams? No. Would anyone pay any attention if they did? No.
    • Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Here in America, we actively hunt down and incarcerate christians who kill in the name of their religion. If we know of sects of christian murderers, we turn them in.

      We as a nation do not arm them and wish them luck.
    • JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"fail to denounce"

      How about if we just denounce religion in general, in all it's many forms, as simply a form of ignorance? The difference between Evangelicals and the Taliban is only a matter of degree --- the measures they use in order to promote their ignorant beliefs.
  • shawshank62, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Those Muslims are so silly!
  • zephc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Well, the Christian Scientists now have someone to hang out with in the sick ward. Lets pray that polio away!
    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They also said "work from where you are." So you'd probably take the vaccine anyway, seeing as most aren't Mary Baker Eddy-like.

      When you actually look at CS there's a lot of similarities to Buddhism.
  • Snarfy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Darwin in action? What if Polio mutates and the only people immune are those that have been exposed to it, like the Pakistanis. Careful what you wish for. Vaccines aren't exactly helping us evolve immunities.

  • edm1950, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Well, the iron lung industry will be happy anyway. It's been sort of in doldrums for the last 40 years or so.
  • rssurvivor, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6The title Darwin In Action implicates that natural selection will eliminate muslims, which is discrimination.

    Dugg down for that reason.
    • dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12dugg up for the exact same reason.
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Sadly, nature doesn't give a *****.
    • ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Did you even read the ***** title?

      It seems pretty clear to me.

    • g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's right, those who don't change with the times fade away. Or die of easily curable diseases.
      Depending on how you look at it, are we any better, considering heart disease is the #1 cause of death in the US, and all we have to do is quit smoking and eat better?
  • Intangir, on 10/12/2007, -21/+1this sounds like bioterrorism against muslims..
    polio was engineered as a bioweapon. they refuse UN vaccines that are POISON (thimerosal is poison), and in the past have been used to sterilize populations (all over africa), and SUDDENLY polio springs up out of no where? *****
    what are we supposed to see here? stupid muslims? or victimized muslims.

    • GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Polio is a biological weapon?

      Puff puff give. Puff puff give. You f'n up the rotation.
    • aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@Intangir

      That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yes, diseases spring up out of nowhere. Viruses are tricky little SOBs and some can lay dormant for years. And if the UN and WHTO really wanted to wipe out the Arab people, they have far more deadly viruses and diseases at their disposal.

      The irony is the disease that is rapidly destroying Arab countries is Islamic Fundamentalism, not anything the West came up with.
    • ejtttje, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Polio was engineered as a weapon??? WTF???
      I stopped reading your comment there because you're obviously a moron. Polio was first discovered/classified in 1840. It's been around much longer. I don't think they were really capable of doing *any* bioengineering back then. We were still trying to figure out how breeding livestock "worked" for crying out loud -- Mendel hadn't even done his definitive pea plant studies yet!
      But then again, since you're defending Islam, which has made *soooo* many contributions to science and knowledge in the last few centuries, I guess I shouldn't expect much...
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1intangir -- are you one of the Imams that declared these vaccines evil?
  • GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Have they declared a jihad on polio yet? It's killing muslims so...
    • Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Like someone already mentioned, they'll actually end up writing it off and blaming it on the infidels for creating Polio and attempting to poison their youth. Trust me, this will happen.
    • m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Wow that's [not] surprisingly without insight and pretty stupid to boot.
  • commongiga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I'm gonna be the first nerd to mention this, but does anyone else see a parallel to the most recent episode of battlestar galactica? It's kinda eerily similar.
    • ringo380, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm betting that they based the BSG episode storyline off of real-world events, such as this kind. But yes, that episode is the first thing that came to mind when I read this story's headline.
    • jackieboy37, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Damn Sagitarons
    • Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Heh... I was going to mention that but you beat me to it!
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1We are all Children of Kobol. Sagittarons may be a little hard to handle sometimes, though, I agree.
    • Kaleb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah.... except in that particular case, the foreign doctor really WAS poisoning the finicky locals.
    • Kaleb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We all just better hope there's a guy named "Agathon" on the ground down there...
    • Kaleb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the submitter did too, seeing as how his name is "AdmiralAdama"
  • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4When are people going to realize that:
    a) the Muslim religion is not a religion, but rather a violent cult or a politcal movement.
    b) there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, just Muslims that don´t really understand it well enough.

    Extra credit reading:
    http://noiri.blogspot.com/2007/02/proposed-constitutional-amendment.html
    • rssurvivor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8To me you sound like another person who fell victim to the propaganda.

      FYI: There are also a lot of christians who are against vaccination.
    • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6You are correct there are probably some Christians (I am sure you will be willing to give references), but not a whole country or religion as this article describes. You don´t see the Pope or a Bishop denouncing vaccinations as some paranoid plot. And they sure aren´t putting fatwas out to kill people that don´t believe in their religion.
      Everyone should Educate themselves on the Muslim religion, you will be shocked. I urge you to read the Koran.
      Here is a start:
      http://www.jtf.org/info/koran.quotes.htm
    • m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You're a ***** idiot.

      I'm half Turkish and grew up in Turkey, which is a very, very secular (although predominantly Muslim country). My mom - a semi-religious, practicing Muslim - also happens to have a master's in English literature and has read more (and is more well-versed in) literature, poetry, and philosophy in her *second* language than you'll ever read in your first. ***** off, you ignorant troll.
    • m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Oh yea, P.S., that article says that "Muslim states such as Malaysia and Turkey actively supress other religions."

      Newsflash, *****, when Europe was kicking all of the Jews the ***** out (namely when Spain did) guess which empire welcomed them with open arms and _even allowed them to build synagogues in Istanbul, which still stand AND ARE USED to this day_. Guess, guess, take one guess. Douche.
    • redfiche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1don't feed the trolls.
    • Methodius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The troll, he is full.
    • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@m0tbaillie - Be proud of your mother´s education, you obviously did not get the same opportunities. She surely did not teach you all that profanity.

      Turkey used to be a much more secular country than it is today. Now the country is headed by a conservative Muslim political group.
      The current Prime Minister is the former mayor of İstanbul, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, whose Islamic conservative AKP won an absolute majority of parliamentary seats in the 2002 general elections,
      (The wife of Muslim President of Turkey will not appear in public without the Muslim head scarf. That obviously sets a very "secular" example for all women. LOL.)
      Why do you think the EU won´t let Turkey join in? Too Muslim, not secular enough and going more Muslim more and more each day.
      The only hope for Turkey is that the country´s military upholds the constitution to keep the country secular and overthrow the Muslim in governement if they get out of hand.

      A little example of Turkish openess: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Turkish_government_proposes_to_outlaw_LGBT_websites
      "A proposal by the Turkish government to the Grand National Assembly of Turkey is threatening online gay rights in Turkey. If the proposal is accepted, Turkish websites through which the Turkish LGBT community socializes will be closed and prohibited. According to the press release by Lambda Istanbul, a Turkish LGBT organization, the words "Lesbian", "Gay", "Bisexual", "Transgender" (LGBT) and "Transsexual" are already banned from Turkish internet cafes."

      And this article is not about Turkey - it is about Pakistan.

  • troyounces, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I find it amazing how these hardcore religious people (Muslim and Christian) become totally brainwashed. I think Darwin's theory should be changed from survivor of the fittest, to survival of the smartest.

    People/Governments have been using religion to control people and further their agendas for centuries. This happens everywhere in the world, not just the muslim world. I was raised Christian and I have read the bible, and it never ceases to amaze me how immoral many Christian zealots are. The lesson I got out of the bible was "don't be an *****". Although I have never read it, I'm pretty sure that this is what the Quran teaches. I could be wrong.
    • crysys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The thing is, you don't have to be smart to survive, and being smart does not necessarily mean you will survive. Crocodiles and sharks are pretty dumb but some of the longest surviving creatures. It works in humans too. Stupid people have nothing better to do than have babies all day so the average redneck trailer trash ***** has 12 kids with 4 different mothers. The successful and educated couple has one kid at best, sometimes they just flat out decide they don't want to deal with kids. Guess who's genes move on to the next round?

      Saying survival of the fittest is Darwins' way of saying survival of those most fit to reproduce. Nothing more. To see the eventual outcome see the Mike Judge film you never heard about, Idiocracy. Now available on DVD.
    • ph1sh55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3unfortunately 'smart' people, on average, have far fewer kids. Stupid people have been outbreeding them for at least a generation by a big amount, and slightly more before that. It will be interesting to see the effects of that on societies as a whole, since birth control only became prominent in the past quarter decade or so?
    • greedonever, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think your change is a good one, but it would only apply for human beings. Sharks developed strength, speed and lots of white nashy teeth to survive. Crocodiles wound up with a tough hide and again the nashy teeth, but any Anthropologist worth his/her salt will tell you that the humans answer to adversity was a big brain. Meat is tough to chew. Big sharp teeth? No, big brain... cook the meat. Some animals eat people. Amazing speed? No, weapons and knowing to live where predators don't. Disease kills. Develop resistance to diseases over millions of years? No, vaccines. So as a whole the human race is surely practicing "survival of the smartest."
  • kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love how these idiot clerics think it will sterilize the kids. Oh wait, a minute - it will. I say this because it's entirely likely the kids will die before reaching reproductive age if they don't get the vaccine.

    So in essence, it's their own ignorance that will kill the children and more likely kill muslims.

    I love it.
  • MrLint, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well not to be flippant, but stupidity is a selection criterion. When you let religion/politics take precedence over proof, well... this is one of the things that happens
  • furryplanet, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2The US Government has done it to us.. So why not do it to the enemy :P

    Deadly immunity
    When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data -- and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic.

    Salon.com | June 16, 2005
    By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

    In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.

    Read More Here: http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/vaccines_deadly_immunity.htm
    • GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Will no one pay attention to Robert Kennedy Jr?

      What does a Kennedy have to do to get attention? Does he have to sleep with the baby sitter, murder someone, or have a woman get in his car after he's put it in a ditch?
    • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 The key word here is "may" not "will".

      http://www.dailynewstribune.com/opinion/8998941003226284028
    • ph1sh55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@waterrat
      It's interesting that we would ban its presence in vaccines when this guys claim (with no citations) is that 'scientists are in agreeance that there is no link'. Given that numerous other countries have banned its presence in vaccines (for some 20 years), and that they ban it at the sacrifice of higher cost and lower availability, are they in on this 'farce' somehow as well? It's not exactly a stretch to imagine injecting a form of mercury into infants causes issues.
  • arrozconevan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15What the ***** is the point of religion? I STILL don't get it. ***** religion. All of them.
    • Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7for those of us who needs warm fuzzy feelings to explain things we (science) don't understand.

      i don't want life to end after life ends, so i think of heaven. delusional? maybe. possible? maybe.
    • m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Delusion is just a systematic way of thought. So, yes, you're delusional.
    • g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Point of religion? Control over stupid people.
    • dhakbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Humans, by and large, have a psychological need for spiritual fulfillment. That is, quite obviously, the point of religion.
  • Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Didn't Dan Burton have a similarly medieval freakout about vaccines and autism -- without scientific merit? Don't our religious nutbars exert similar veto power on what gets taught to kids in school about sexuality, and some places, even evolution? Don't our political nutbars love trashing the crazies in foreign countries, while helping them in the ol' U.S. of A.?

    Oh, no, we have to have a "we're number one" two-minute hate on the Muslims from time to time.

    There's two leaders of the anti-scientific movement in the world today. One of them's named Ahmedinejad, and the other's-- you know what his name is.
  • cornfry182, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1Does anyone else find it hilarious how Evolutionists talk about Darwin like Christians talk about Jesus or Muslims talk about Muhommad
    • totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not as hilarious as "Muhommad"
    • zephc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8No one claims Darwin rose from the dead or rode on magical flying horses. Who's the hilarious one now?
    • xenuxenuts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's only because his name has become synonymous with evolution. Since for most people religion is inherited, this is an example of natural selection at work. Hence the Darwin reference.
  • Calann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is from a country that we are friendly with. Imagine how much we have fanned the flames of anger among people in countries that we are threatening.
    Just how does making so many people angry with us make us safer?
    • GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The United States is friendly with the Pakistani government. That government supports the vaccinations.

      This is the North-West provinces of Pakistan. This is the same region where UBL and Dr. Raving Islamic Nutbar are rumored to be hiding. Pakistan doesn't really control these areas even though they are officially classified as part of Pakistan.
    • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why does the average person in Pakistan need to be angry with the U.S.? What did the U.S. do to Pakistan other than give it lots of money and weapons.
  • bigspruce, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Simply food for thought -
    (1) Imagine the religous fringe gains power in an area and starts doing ridiculous things - like opposing polio vaccination.

    (2) Now consider that the religous right actually did take over the US in 2000; and actually got "re-elected" (if you believe that).
    (side note: is this Darwin in action?)

    (3) What did reasonable people do to stop #2?

    (4) What can reasonable Muslims (and others) do to stop their radicals?

    • flink405, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2So what happened in 2004 and 2006 where were the religious right????

      Are there reasonable Muslims??? Where? Why don´t they speak out if they are out there? Because there are none or afraid.
    • Methodius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And if the crazed televangelists in the US had you stoned to death if your words or actions didn't mesh in some way with the Fundamentalist Ideal, wouldn't you be a little scared to take action?
  • brokencode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well at least when the kids grow up, they're not able to blow themselves up because they can't move!
    • FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2a cripple on the steet holding a hand grenade is an IED
  • Dangeruss13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0You have got to be kidding.

    It seems like religion is playing a factor in the people not wanting to get vaccinated for polio. Holy crap, it seems like this relligion is turning into Scientology. Come on though, "vaccines are evil American plot"?????? LOL, i guess their ideologies are extending beyond the continuation of life. But, it's not up to them to consider taking the vaccine, it's of the worlds interest to keep the virus from spreading.

    Wow, that's all I've got to say. I'm glad I have a better mindset, and a better outlook on religious views. These people seem to be swayed very easily, or the mis-education by the religious population is very strong. Let's declare war on ourselves considering that we keep making mind altering vaccinations that will convert your religion to become americanized. Bull hockie I say, this is an atrocity.
  • IchiroBoston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fine, they dont want it... don't give it to them.

    At least Evolutionists has some kind of history / proof to work on... not just a book that has been translated and interpreted many times over.
    • Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1To be fair, it has been proven the bible remains quite accurate (there is evidence). However one should still be considered taking everything in it literally (i.e. don't do it).
  • SDRocker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some people, or generations, must learn the hard way.
  • Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i wonder what alexander the great would do in this situation.
    • dhakbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Alexander would conquer the Muslims ruthlessly and subjugate them to his rule at the point of a sword. Americans don't have the stomach or moral inclination to be successful in such affairs.
  • Jeveran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wonder if maintaining debilitating diseases counts as having weapons of mass destruction? We could test the theory and send over some smallpox-infected blankets. After all, there is a vaccine for smallpox, but without it, the disease can wipe out entire civilizations.
  • max420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This article only confirms my thoughts of extremist Muslims.

    @heracles

    How ***** up is that... isn't Islam supposed to be an "organized" religion... I mean the Catholic Church does just let anyone become a priest..

    Self-Styled Imams should all be rounded up by the REAL imams and shot publicly for ruining it for the rest of them.
  • bigteebo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't worry, this will only be a temporary problem.
  • Cheirdal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Come on people. We know it's only the "extremists" that are behind this. It's always the "extremists". Oh wait, no it's not just the extremists. Almost everything that truly sucks about modern civilization can be blamed on one particular group of "extremists".
  • TheToecutter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If anything needs to be nuked and destroyed it's all organized religion and the ***** stranglehold it has on common sense.
  • Canadianfaux, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Well, I'm one of those "crazies" that won't get giving my kids most of their "recommended" vaccines. Yep, I'm just ignorant because I've read many books about it and don't want dramatically increase my child's chances of asthma, auto-immune diseases, allergies, cancer, Alzheimer's', SIDS, etc. Yes, I know that Big-Pharma loves me and wants to help me and not make billions in profit. I love the mercury, aborted fetus / animal proteins, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), cancer (SV40 in the polio shot), and other yummy stuff in the vaccines. Too sarcastic for you? If you do even a bit of research you'll find out that polio increased after the polio vaccines were mandated. And, that HPV Merck shot contains live cancer virus that has already damaged many young girls. That's ok, give it to your 9 year old even though regular paps detect the disease and make treatment a cinch. Listen to Intangir - he knows what he's talking about.
    • dhakbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I bet you're afraid of aliens, bigfoot, and radiation, too.
  • st23am, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wait a Second didn't this just happen on Battlestar Galatica? Sagittarians anyone?
    • Kaleb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, it did - although I hope there isn't some guy named "Mike Roberts" administering the vaccine...
  • brnews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What the ***** does it have to do with evolution or darwinism?
    • ness0013, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0You take away a single evolutionary advantage such as the ability to either produce or receive a certai immunity and the organism finds itself crippled by it.

      Just think of it as trying to live more or less 90 years in the past.

      Whether people accept it or not, we have evolved in the sense that we as a society accept vaccinations and immunities as a part of our everyday lives. No, we arent necessarily 'de-evolving' but if these people think they are not doing just that then they will have a very sad and tragic conclusion to come to.
  • haggie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Dark-ages muslim clerics, pedophile catholic priests, closeted homosexual pastors, corporate-owned politicians.

    Is there a single figure of leadership that can be trusted today?
  • davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is "Darwin in action" only in the sense of the Darwin Awards, not in the sense of Darwinian evolution. By not giving your children the vaccine they need, these parents are helping to "take them out of the gene pool" as a Darwin Award would require.

    But our species is not evolving here as a result of this one instance of stupidity.
    • greedonever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Actually (and I am not saying its the right thing to do) refusing vaccinations will put evolution back in charge of the aforementioned Muslims. Vaccines allow those who would normally succumb to a disease to survive it DESPITE their lack of genetic defenses. If these people continue to refuse the vaccines their numbers will no doubt dwindle, but in the end the remaining population will be genetically resistant or even immune to the disease.
  • mweels, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is more like Germ warfare in action.
  • RedHerringHack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Jonas Salk was born in New York City October 28, 1914

    What did Salk do? Just Invented The Polio Vaccine?

    What do you mean that America Didn't Invent the Vaccine?

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