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- Rotzooi, on 12/31/2007, -0/+46'Claiming' fraud. Well, with voter turnout at 115% in some districts, I think we can safely say that fraud has been proven.
- omnirusa, on 12/31/2007, -6/+27Hell atleast people in Kenya care enough about their government to protest fraud.
American's can't even care enough to go out and vote in the first place. - QGYH2, on 12/31/2007, -6/+22Very sad stuff.. Odinga won the election.. Kibaki pulled a dubya and stole it. The situation is quite bad there.. roads barricaded, media gagged.. etc.. there are speculations that it could spill over into a civil war between the two big tribes there (Luo and Kikuyu).
I don't think things will be that bad but the violence will continue. I doubt Odinga will have a choice but to accept defeat and move on - notque, on 12/31/2007, -5/+20Our government has significantly larger weapons than we do. In most other countries, there may be an argument that is reasonable for violence. Not here.
The way to succeed in this case is to strike, appeal to humanism to police. Civil Disobedience, etc. - inactive, on 12/31/2007, -3/+18There's 300,000,000 of you. They are mostly composed of you. The point is not to attack yourselves. It's to stop obeying them. They are just figures of authority. The police and the army don't have to obey them unconditionnaly.
http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil.html - elnerdo, on 12/31/2007, -3/+17He did say that he stumbled upon a big fortune, and that he needed my help in recovering it, though.
- kody, on 12/31/2007, -1/+14Having just been there in July, the poverty in the slums are truly inhumane. The income gap of the country is truly amazing. Just got an e-mail from a friend in Nairobi and he can't even leave his church compound...
- Elohir, on 12/31/2007, -0/+10A guy I know in Kenya says the death toll is around 120. Scary indeed.
- Medusausi, on 12/31/2007, -2/+10What!!??!! You mean Kenyans didn't get on rambling tv talk shows or endlessly blog about it for months, they actually got out into the streets to protest a fraudulent election? Who'd have thought that was what democracy looked like?
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -15/+23this is one good reason why our (U.S. citizens) 2nd amendment rights are so important.
- notque, on 12/31/2007, -3/+10Only if it would matter. Would it matter is the question?
I don't think it would. We are way too out gunned. No matter how noble the cause, you will just be shot down. - InspectorGadget, on 12/31/2007, -1/+8We're a continent now? Cool!
- Elohir, on 12/31/2007, -0/+7They're pretty much ***** regardless. Do you vote for the guy who rigged the elections or the guy inciting riots, looting and murdering in a desperate push for power.
Choices, choices. - topace3000, on 01/01/2008, -0/+6...I'd hope a reasonable person would be pretty damn pissed off if their democracy was blatantly hijacked.
- Toshibi, on 12/31/2007, -1/+6Tragedy. These folks must not have voted for Huckabee.
- fadeout, on 12/31/2007, -2/+7You tell 'em, internet rebel!
The US army > you. - inactive, on 12/31/2007, -0/+5Oh right its the US fault again. I think the EU is mute because it is they who screwed the area up so bad in the first place. Remember the Belgium Congo? If not then you need some catching up to do on your regional history. Every country is Africa has been adversely affected by European conquest, meddling, arms supplies, and domination for hundreds of years!
- vertinox, on 12/31/2007, -1/+6Only after we finish watching this TV special on Britney Spears...
- simba, on 01/01/2008, -0/+4retard
- springboks, on 12/31/2007, -2/+6[sarcasm] because violence solves everything ?
- megaloid, on 01/01/2008, -0/+4It's such a pity. Kenya is a natural jewel, with a nice climate and abundant natural resources. Were it not for their corrupt, parasitic political class, Kenya would be a very wealthy and peaceful country.
- notque, on 12/31/2007, -1/+5@amalgamutt
This has nothing to do with V for Vendetta. There is a history of this. - sandanista, on 12/31/2007, -0/+3The article said 43 when it was submitted. Unfortunately since then the death toll in that article has risen to over 100. I fear that the real death toll will be unknown for some time, if it is ever allowed to surface at all.
- simba, on 01/01/2008, -2/+5Kenya is one of the most progressive country in Africa. President Kibaki lost this elections and is trying to force himself on kenyans. What he forgets is that the Kenya of today is not like the Kenya or Africa of the sixties where you would do such a thing and people just chill. Theres also a generation war with young well educated people wanting to take over from the old corrupt old guard.
Election fraud was major. The president elected his cronies into the electoral commission unlike the former president who had an agreement with the opposition about the composure of the commission.The Electroral Commision Chairmans phone was hacked he couldnt make call to returning officers. Returning officers switched their phones of or disappeared with their results. So the chairman couldnt reach his officers. Crazy ha? And by the way this was peculiar to central and eastern province where the president has support.
Results showed a voter turn out of 95% - 150% in the presidents area. I mean even if its stealing he stole in a very dumb way. Also guys this was probably the first youtube and web2.0 elections if Africa so use texting, sms, blogging, Cellphones, Websites,Billboards,huge networking was widespread soo its hard to cheat. Also nowadays everyone has a cellphone in kenya. Infact several trucks were caught transporting fake ballot boxes and people posted the plate numbers online.
The elections were generally fine and civilized but he rigged buy delaying the return of results in his areas while watching the results from opposition areas then stupidly inflated his numbers. The did this by smuggling ballots boxes in at night because of the delays in central and eastern and such silly incidents like missing returning officers the results were stretched over 3 days. The president was losing by over a million votes then all over sudden he was just behing by 20000. So he basically inflated results in many areas wher there were delays by adding between 20000- 50000 votes at every constituency level. To be fare this president didnt even get 3 million votes. The worst part is now people are targeting folks from his tribe out of anger but this is wrong. Another thing 3 tribes supported him heavily the rest of Kenya supported Odinga and a few the other candidate kalonzo who lost badly.Kenya has 42 tribes.The worst part is Kibakis tribes are located in central Kenya so they are sorrounded by other tribes. Right now innocent kikuyus are being Killed which is wrong. Kenyas should kick this president out and not kill. I am not Kikuyu but i have many Kikuyu friends. So this is wrong. Kenyans are tired and are demanding Kibakis resignation. Raila Odinga won this election fairly. - Sarawanan, on 12/31/2007, -1/+4yea, and I read the headline as Crysis. But now that you think of it, there was probably a story not too long ago with erection and Crysis in the same sentence.
- jefferygomer, on 12/31/2007, -0/+3There is no need to put this into a pissing match. Kenya, despite an insurmountable level of corruption, has been the most stable area in the whole region. Between the "fixed" election, the riots, and the government's order to stop all live TV, all the progress made in Kenya over the last 20 years is now gone.
- jadenton, on 12/31/2007, -2/+5I'm hearing thousands dead from contacts currently in country. The "government" is sweeping through the slums killing anyone caught in their path.
- petehol, on 12/31/2007, -1/+3If you ask me they should fight to the death until they redo the elections otherwise they are F*****ed
- jefferygomer, on 01/01/2008, -0/+2Oh my god. I'm a fairly conservative guy, but to try twist this into blame against the democrats is pretty dumb.
- Bossa, on 01/01/2008, -0/+2Kenya is a great country.
I love it.
But there's a lot of corruption yet.
And politic seems very close to ethnics instead of ideas.
Is more a ethical question then a political question! - pintomp3, on 01/01/2008, -0/+2the 2nd amendment covers roadside bombs and rpgs?
- iticu, on 12/31/2007, -2/+4That country is "revolting" because they think the elections where rigged. What happened when the American elections where rigged?
Now, lets ask eachother which countrys are the ones that's gunna be free in 10-20 years time. - ZenMojo, on 01/01/2008, -0/+2Apparently, when black people riot over social injustice it's a sign of low intelligence. When white people riot over losing a baseball game it's proof of higher intellect. :)
- kenyan, on 01/01/2008, -0/+2Do you only read the misspelled first three words in a title before clicking on it?
- slyzxx, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2its not about choosing a leader who is going to support their country , its about getting clans leading the country different clans are from different parties
- crapmatic, on 12/31/2007, -1/+3Can't say I've seen many Kenya 419 spams.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2YES!!! We are a CONTINENT! Keeeewwwllllll. It will never happen here because we have a competent legal system and a set of rules for elections. It has NEVER happened here and NEVER will.
- weeble, on 01/01/2008, -0/+2I just spent 4 weeks working in Rwanda. It is definitely NOT the most screwed up country anymore. They have gone from a horrible state where as you pointed out, they were killing each other, to now just 14 years later where they have a stable peaceful country. It's clean, orderly, organized... the general infrastructure is working, traffic lights work, police are respected, foreign investment is booming, corruption is virtually zero, you can safely walk the streets at night.. the list goes on and on. Rwanda is a shining example of what can actually be accomplished with a little determination and some strong leaders who are actually more interested in building a successful country for the people instead of filling their bank accounts.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -2/+3"The US army > you."
Yeah, that's why we're winning in Iraq, right? - lunasunshine, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1..... wow.
- jthei, on 12/31/2007, -1/+2The XO won't run Crysis, everyone's stuck playing CS:Source in Wine
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1There are 60 million households with firearms in this country . . . . Most of the people who own those are smart enough not to attempt taking out a tank or Apache with a deer rifle. OTOH, the ONLY way to secure an area is with boots on the ground. Besides, who's to say the military and LEOs would go 100% for the establishment if they were to attempt a coup?
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1You are a loser Cane.. I'm burying you.
- inactive, on 12/31/2007, -2/+3Larger and larger percentages of Blackwater are foreign born.
Remember katrina? "Give us your guns" - jefferygomer, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1Like I said, this isn't any thing to start a pissing match over. I never said that Kenya was a great place, but compared to neighboring Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Rwanda etc, it's been the country that has seen the most progress in peace, democracy, and stability - It has still been bad though.. I was merely pointing out that 24 hours, 20 years of that progress was lost and that comparing riots in Kenya to some mass murdering blood war between two clans was ridiculous - especially when painting the Hutu's and Tutsi's rivalry as the "bigger pinus" compared to the Kenyan situation.
- lunasunshine, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1god dammit.
- TheGuruStud, on 12/31/2007, -2/+3EXACTLY! Guerrilla warfare in our country would be suicide for the gov't/anyone. Look at how many buildings and people with guns that we have. If it takes 1 million troops to secure Iraq, imagine how many millions it would take to secure a country of this size (assuming everyone isn't a bunch of PANSY ASS BITCHES LIKE THEY ARE NOW).
- kenyan, on 12/31/2007, -1/+243 is by far a modest "official" count. The actual counts are much, much higher as they usually are for crises in 3rd world countries.
*Braces for a time when Americans care about their elections* - ipodman715, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1This violence should be over by the new year...
I wish - inactive, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1Sounds like a real oasis
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