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- SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -16/+224"The men were removed but never charged"
Wow what a shock! The police were caught red handed and then relieved of all responsibility and charges.
Business as usual. ***** filthy goons. They don't "protect" us common citizens any more than George Bush. We're on our own. Good luck getting one of them to respond when you're getting robbed at gunpoint or raped in a back alley somewhere. Kudos to the man who outed and exposed these pathetic traitorous subservients. Now they've got their unconstitutional "Department of Homeland (in)Security" set up that completely supercedes and overturns the US Constitution rule of law so they're all set to ***** with us however/whereever they please for whatever reason. And NEVER be held accountable, responsible or prosecuted. EVER. Welcome to America, land of the free. "Your papers, please."
The police aren't there to prevent disorder, they are there to initiate it. They don't "serve" us common citizens they serve the 'elite' fascists. I have been to many protests, rallies and peaceful gatherings myself, and have witnessed PLENTY of such obvious police "agent provocateurs" attempting to provoke riots and outbreaks up close and in person with my very own eyes. They exist more than you realize. And get away with it more often than not. Thankfully good citizens are becoming wise to their devious tactics and strong arm themselves with cameras and video to document and expose the pretend police perpe-traitors. - TheKiah, on 05/28/2008, -0/+122I'm just stunned that this sort of thing even gets REPORTED in Canada. Reporting actual news seems to be out of the league of US news organizations.
- aidave, on 05/28/2008, -12/+87Guess what? Almost no Canadians have even heard about this.
Canada is becoming a blind country just like America. - smacksaw, on 05/28/2008, -0/+51I like how they said the cops were there to keep the peace.
With a rock.
"You're under arrest! Don't make me use this rock! Don't like the rock? It's better than the taser! Tabarnak!" - WeThePeople2012, on 05/28/2008, -2/+50http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
- inactive, on 05/28/2008, -3/+50Everyone will bury me, but when this happened, the best presentation of the facts came from alex jones. He covered this and outed these guys unequivocally with a bunch of evidence. No other main stream news source touched it. You may not like him, and he may ***** as much as any other news source, but he does some things nobody else does, and sometimes, it's really important stuff.
- WeThePeople2012, on 05/28/2008, -2/+47http://digg.com/politics/FBI_Recruiting_Infiltrato ...
- theelectricafro, on 05/28/2008, -4/+44As happy as I was to see this reported at the time, this video is still full of spin.
1. The provocateurs were arrested which is available in other video that is available. Not "removed" as described in this video. If they were not doing anything wrong then why were they arrested? Can't have it both ways.
2. They denied that they were cops for days until they were busted by people that took photos of their gov issued boots that were the same as the riot cops.
3. Complaints process? This is terrorism. Just because they got busted before they had a chance to throw the rocks at other cops doesn't mean they didn't have the intent to. If their intentions were peaceful they wouldn't have had masks and rocks. They should have been charged by the RCMP. The fact that they were not means this is sanctioned by the highest levels, which is who was at the SPP summit.
All of those people out there that think democracy is live and well better wake up. If you have never gotten off your ass to protest something you have never tried to exercise the rights you think are still there. Canada is starting to freak me out. You have the Mayor of Toronto telling people he is going to close all the gun clubs because "guns are dangerous". You have Toronto council members saying we should have "the army police the streets". This is part of a broader agenda. And it continues regardless of who takes power. If the agenda continues regardless of who we vote for is this democracy? This needs to stop now. - dilibau, on 05/28/2008, -2/+36dugg for "pathetic traitorous subservients"
- Waiting2awake, on 05/28/2008, -0/+29 Tell me something, if you were there throwing rocks would you be charged? If you had weapons? If you were inciting a riot? The day prior to when the QPP were caught, the QPP said that rioters got out of hand and that is why they had to use those new fangled crowd control techniques that sent people scattering for cover.....Then the day after those that said they were defending themselves turn out to be instigating it?
The problem is sooo much greater than just bad cops, it is a societal breakdown between those with power(or the appearance of power) and those with little (appearance) of power.
We are in a war, it is just not against who we were told it was.. - georgemason01, on 05/28/2008, -2/+26To protect and to serve...the elites.
- RandomGorilla, on 05/28/2008, -0/+21Governments should be afraid of their people.
- theNazz, on 05/28/2008, -1/+22The corporate interests buy closed door meetings with the lawmakers, the lawmakers employ law enforcement to lay down the law, the no-bid insider contracts build prisons and weapons, the mainstream media insures the public keeps their eye on anything but the ball, and everybody else is fair game. Now that the system is in deployment, good luck changing it back to anything even closely resembling 'Democracy'.
- Phearce, on 05/28/2008, -0/+21The situation you describe with the assault is definately honorable. It's clear you did the right thing, and sounds like you actually went above and beyond your duty. Thumbs up.
For us (in the states), the trouble is more of a mob mentality issue. The events of 9/11 were *used* by the government to galvanize us against a faceless enemy called terrorism. We followed along in a daze while reactionary laws were erected. Now years later were living in a distorted world were wire taps are permitted without justification, and agent provocateurs are justified as a means to an end.
The situation always boils down to something like 'we were acting on intelligence that indicated there may have been a threat at that rally/march/event. If one agent-of-terror can be discovered and one act of violence prevented, any action is justified.'
If nothing else, please learn from our mistakes. And please continue to advance in your career so that you can set a positive example of how an officer should behave. - SHUUTOBI, on 05/28/2008, -1/+21Photos of this were on digg about a year ago I think and they showed that the "Provocateurs" had the same Gortek boots the police were wearing. Anyone got the link?
- Waiting2awake, on 05/28/2008, -1/+21I remember reading an article on the pansification of the world, and why it is happening, etc. The final paragraph said something to the effect of ....
"Can you imagine how our dealings with our government wold go if they thought we were every bit as dangerous, when provoked, as the people they are trying to get us to be terrified of ?" - karma52, on 05/28/2008, -3/+22Thanks Stephan Harper for importing United States tactics against our freedoms, you need to go.
- ordig, on 05/28/2008, -0/+19I remember seeing it on the news.
- yaryarhumphump, on 05/28/2008, -1/+18I'm Canadian I heard about it the day it happened.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 05/28/2008, -1/+17Nothing you said was at all relevent to the issue. This wasn't anti-cop. This was state infiltration and subversion of a peaceful protest.
- dforty3, on 05/28/2008, -1/+17I commend you for your service. I have cops in my family and it's definitely worth noting that many in the uniform are heros. That being said, it doesn't erase the fact that some officers are used as tools by the powerful elite to do their bidding. Not only should these three be fired, but whoever ordered them to do this should be fired as well. I don't believe it's likely that they were acting on their own ideas. This was a strategic move with intended consequences. It didn't work this time, but it has in the past and will in the future as long as the public lends a blind eye to the corporate power that really runs things.
- cerejota, on 05/28/2008, -3/+19This was in Canada? The cancer spreads...
- aidave, on 05/28/2008, -0/+15We have one newstation (CBC) that reports news still. Surprise surprise, Harper wants to shut off funding to it.
- gr00, on 05/28/2008, -9/+24In today's fast-paced world few have the wherewithal to keep pace with important issues.
It was in the mid-90s when I was first introduced to the idea of MSM and news being 'filtered'. When I was younger you like to believe that, in general, people do good and the news organizations give you a true picture of what's happening -- sadly, I'm pretty much disillusioned with what gets fed to us.
The conspiracy theorists take things too far and sadly the general populace either chooses one extreme or the other (aka - the government does all good or the government does all evil). Stuff like this flies under the radar until one day it's a living reality and people are like "oh, when/how did this happen?".
In the end, we can rant about it all we want on here but how is it that the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America isn't being paid more attention to? I can't see how such an important issue is being ignored -- but then again, we are living in the times of "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq and Hillary "winning" -- wtf is going on? meh. - Waiting2awake, on 05/28/2008, -1/+16Did this happen? Yes. Did the QPP deny it at first? Yes. Did the media go along with the denial? Yes at first until it became so obvious, the evidence so excessive that they had to admit that they tried to incite a riot. Were they charged for that crime as others were? Nope.
You may choose to see it as merely 1000's of separate trees, but if you had been paying attention you'd understand it as the forest it is. It has nothing to do with Aliens, or any other strawman you have there - it is just unaccountable people being unaccountable within ivory towers. There is no sci-fi going on here other than those trying to make like our law officers breaking the law with the consent from our government is not a big deal...
Screw them - it is a big deal. - dgendreau, on 05/28/2008, -1/+14"I DON'T believe there are more bad cops than good cops"
Try driving around with an Impeach Bush bumper sticker in upstate New York and see how many more traffic tickets you get... - aDFP, on 05/28/2008, -4/+17I don't think any police force was created to protect 'the common man'. Rather they were created to protect property, and those who own it, from those who don't. This holds today, in some countries more than others.
Sadly, I do not see any solution to this, only the hope of amending the myths though education. The role of government is, as it ever was, the control of its populace, not the service of them.
Also it's 'Agents Provocateur' (you bringed out my inner grammar-nazi) - BlacklabelSAR, on 05/28/2008, -0/+13Will this get through people's psychological self-defense mechanisms? This ***** is REAL.
Know Your Enemy! - jacko7, on 05/28/2008, -3/+16>>Guess what? Almost no Canadians have even heard about this.
[citation needed] - aidave, on 05/28/2008, -1/+13"They were just acting like everybody else because they were undercover. "
Like everyone else about to throw rocks at the police? Think man. Harper wanted this riot quashed and he would have squeeled with glee if it had happened. He is not a good man. - Waiting2awake, on 05/28/2008, -0/+12Many Canadians know about it, many others do not. Such is life. The trouble I have is those that have seen it - do we really understand what we have seen?
Like a stage curtain cracking open for a second... you get a glimpse of the stage, but really no understanding of the story. - VitriolAndAngst, on 05/28/2008, -2/+14People often forget that it seems that the "tin-foil-hat" bloggers are the ones who break these stories. They get called fools for the content of what they say -- not for its accuracy.
Yeah, I wonder how many people have gone back and given him credit for getting things right. I'd say he pushes the envelope, and is wrong as much as right -- but that is a better track record than CNN or Fox now, who don't really have an intention to inform -- only to "manage" the way the public reacts to news after everyone on the internet already knows it.
It is rare now that I learn of any story first on the MSM. I knew about Abu Ghraib 3 years before the photos came out, and Rumsfeld had to respond. Then, after everyone was buzzing with this conspiracy theory for months -- the Corporate Media reluctantly covered it. And only to point our rage towards a "few bad apples." They never pointed out that none of the photos of worse events were released by the government. Apparently, all bad deeds were documented on ONLY the images smuggled out. The photos seemed to me, a part of the process -- not something a person was hurriedly taking, and the people committing the acts look like they were very comfortable. I knew then that it was a policy. The photos were probably designed to blackmail and humiliate the Iraqis that were subjected to it. Either to create informants or -- my conspiracy theory, that they wanted a Civil War all along, because if peace broke out the US would have to leave and Carylisle group couldn't sell weapons and Haliburton couldn't keep cleaning up the mess at cost plus.
But that is just a good example of how our media deals with all of this. They make money on the food fight of our elections, and high quality video of bombing raids. They don't cover the children sent to the hospital or the returning coffins -- not until we return from war and they need something else to feed our prurient interests and raise ratings. There is no mention that perhaps, the war wasn't a mistake but part of a racket. The same racket that likes riots to go poorly and to put people in prison for Marijuana. As you can see with the Bush administration, and GM which owns a few media agencies -- it's best if you can work both ends.
Alex Jones and the like get the flaky moniker because to be legitimate, you have to be on TV, in a suite, and be paid to get it wrong about 80% of the time by a company that profits on servicing war and punishing crime. - VitriolAndAngst, on 05/28/2008, -0/+11Sure, most police are good. Most bureaucrats I believe, are also doing the best job they can.
What is important are the people in charge. The ones who learn about provocateurs and let it pass. THEY ARE INVOLVED at this is rotten at the top.
What do you think a provocateur does? Incite violence so that the police can crack down on a protest. Create civil unrest. Does that sound like a Democracy or serving the public interest? No, they will make the people who are involved in the process, who are trying to have a voice and make a change and perhaps end some of this corruption look bad.
The only question is -- how far were they willing to go? - aidave, on 05/28/2008, -1/+12"the mainstream media insures the public keeps their eye on anything but the ball"
This is unfortunately true. How many more lame "scandals" are we going to hear about? Our broadcasters and newspapers never cover the laws that the Conservatives are trying to pass. It's sickening how complacent we have become. - WTFppl, on 05/28/2008, -0/+11If this does not have you concerned...You are a good tool!
- voteforblank, on 05/28/2008, -8/+19If they are doing this ***** in Canada... they must have learned it from us in the Federal United States!
- Waiting2awake, on 05/28/2008, -0/+11You know how far they were willing to go - as far as they can until we find out.
Question, the day before there was apparently riots and the police had to use tear gas and other crowd control responses on these rioters.
Who were the rioters? Real protesters or provocateurs?
Leads to many interesting, if frightening, questions about the system. - inactive, on 05/28/2008, -0/+11Nice to see this type of behavior out in the open finally...
- Weip, on 05/28/2008, -4/+15What are you talking about? It was on every TV channels...
- jaymzdean, on 05/28/2008, -4/+15If there was a hero in the ranks, he would step up and put a stop to all of this.
- Waiting2awake, on 05/28/2008, -0/+11For the day when the QPP were denying it was them, then the following day when they had to confess to the lie, and then the QPP guy said something that they consider the matter closed and that was that.. 48-72 hours of sporadic coverage, weighted heavily on the conspiracy theory that the QPP would be involved, when the conspiracy theory turned fact, it was brushed under the carpet and we moved on to the next talking point....
- smacksaw, on 05/28/2008, -2/+12This is all over CBC, CTV, CH...WTF?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/28/2008, -0/+10"The only job where people openly criticize your work and demand answers..."
You obviously haven't heard of the art profession, public service of any type, or the venerable phone support technician.
I'm sure, if people in those jobs had guns -- they would be used.
As BlackLabelSAR said above; the problem isn't police, it is Provocateurs and an obviously SOME corrupt people in charge who knew about it and covered up at the event. You need to think long and hard one day, when a protest gets out of control and they ask you to open fire. Someone may want things to go badly and to put you in a situation where it is YOU versus THEM. That's how a police state works. The government, in every damn police state, runs the establishment and creates the problems. The police, caught in the middle, just react more and more violently. You will, of course, be given more powerful weapons and more paperwork -- one reinforces the other. Everyone gets more paperwork, as if this were going to stop any chance of corruption. I'm sure after the predatory loan scandals are "solved" in the US, there will be more documentation and a more painful process to get a loan, but it will do ZERO towards making sure people don't get ripped off. SOP.
If they want you in a fit of rage, they will take away your ability to make decisions, your raises, and put you in a black bullet-proof body armor with a black visor where nobody can see your face. We already have riot geared cops in Georgia who look like extras for storm troopers.
The idea that Provocateurs are allowed to operate should worry any police officer. This is one of the worst crimes against the public by those in charge -- It is only a matter of degree. - inactive, on 05/28/2008, -1/+10THAT'S IT!
I had enough of this! I don't wont to live in police state!
I'm moving to Canada...
oh... wait.. - BlacklabelSAR, on 05/28/2008, -0/+9#1 You missed the point. This is going on during an NWO summit! These aren't rogue cops at all. Secondly, this is American fascism infecting Canada. Hello?
- RogerStrong, on 05/28/2008, -0/+9I'm in Winnipeg. It was in the local papers, on the radio on the way to work, and of course on CBC Newsworld.
What I *didn't* see mentioned, was the bottles in their back pockets. Those you could see if you downloaded the high-res photo of the agents on the ground - the one that also showed that they had the exact same boots as the riot police. - aidave, on 05/28/2008, -0/+9Thats why Canada has two DEA offices. We really need to learn how to scare our citizens into submission. We have too much freedom and the pot smoking is getting out of hand!
- Waiting2awake, on 05/28/2008, -1/+10for two days - then? What about the trials for them? What were their names? Their rank? Who ordered them to do it?
They flashed a picture of it happened and mocked all the conspiracy theorist that were saying that they were cops. Then when it become abundantly clear that they were cops and the cat was out of the bag(Thanks not to the MSM but bloggers) that they came out admitted it and closed the case...
Now that to you might seem like everything is A-OK, but to others that reeks of a huge, systemic problem demonstrated for all to see....only it turned out many still don't have eyes. -
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